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    Default The 'New AppleTV'

    I'm quite excited by the new Apple TV - The new interface looks good, and i think focusing on the content rather than the services is a great idea. Hopefully Stan and the other Australian services (hopefully iView and the other catchup services get on board) integrate into the new approach.

    Gaming will also be interesting as will the other sort of apps.

    I'm not too sure on the new controller just yet... I can see the touch pad will be an issue for some.

    The BIG issue with the new Apple TV is the lack of 4K support. It strikes me as counter intuitive to release the 6S with 4K video support and not have an easy way to view it (besides the 5K iMac). Not to mention netflix has Ultra HD support.. but anyway disappointing but I guess better than no update at all!
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    Agree about the lack of 4K support. Even if only to be able to steam 4K within the LAN to apple TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by recd View Post
    Agree about the lack of 4K support. Even if only to be able to steam 4K within the LAN to apple TV
    It is a shame given how rarely Apple updates the Apple TV..

    I don't know the details behind HDMI... but can 4K output be a software enabled thing? Or is HDMI 2.0 needed?
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    I can play 4K video on my 4K TV from my PC (which has a 4K capable graphics card) via HDMI 1.4....but only at 24 fps. HDMI 1.4 will quite happily transfer 4K video at 24fps, as per all the early (pre-2014) 4K TVs that have HDMI 1.4, however to play 4K video at any higher framerate, HDMI 2.0 is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCGuy View Post
    I can play 4K video on my 4K TV from my PC (which has a 4K capable graphics card) via HDMI 1.4....but only at 24 fps. HDMI 1.4 will quite happily transfer 4K video at 24fps, as per all the early (pre-2014) 4K TVs that have HDMI 1.4, however to play 4K video at any higher framerate, HDMI 2.0 is needed.
    And HDMI 2.0 is a hardware thing? Someone told me it was a software related thing, so I wasn't quite sure there.

    Could it be possible that the new Apple TV has HDMI 2.0 but 4K is not enabled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmacs View Post
    And HDMI 2.0 is a hardware thing? Someone told me it was a software related thing, so I wasn't quite sure there.

    Could it be possible that the new Apple TV has HDMI 2.0 but 4K is not enabled?
    Its a hardware standard, in that, for example, to be certified as an HDMI 2.0 cable it has to meet that standard.

    I guess the new apple TV could have the hardware to output a 4K signal, but if so why wouldn't such a significant be mentioned.

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    I think AppleTV has always been a hamstrung device. Thsi is its fourth revision and in each updated version it has always offered old generation hardware. Its always been behind in both resolution and sound quality dating back to the 1st generation and has always needed 'addons' to make it function like its competitors. The only thing that has kept it in the game, like alot of other Apple hardware pieces, is its wonderful interface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denwol View Post
    I think AppleTV has always been a hamstrung device. Thsi is its fourth revision and in each updated version it has always offered old generation hardware. Its always been behind in both resolution and sound quality dating back to the 1st generation and has always needed 'addons' to make it function like its competitors. The only thing that has kept it in the game, like alot of other Apple hardware pieces, is its wonderful interface.
    My concern with it is the very 'overhaul it approach'. EG you buy into the hardware than Apple completely changes it and offers very little software compatibility. The 1st gen never had a completely different operating system to the 2nd, completely different hardware - The 2nd has a completely different paradigm to the 1st (Airplay/streaming vs storage eg. Same with 3rd to 4th - completely different hardware and no compatibility with new features such apps, and again a different paradigm - a focus on apps. Are they just going to dump the current paradigm again in 3 or so years?

    Though I agree with what you say, The 2nd gen had relativity good specs - A4 had only been put in the iPhone a couple of months before, and the iPad only 6 months before. The 3rd gen had a far slower A5 then the others, and the A5 had already been in the iPad for a whole year and quit a while in the iPhone.

    Not sure why they didn't give the 4th gen an A9 chip..
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    Default The 'New AppleTV'

    While I loved what I saw in the keynote and think that the new Apple TV has some excellent features I think I will wait off purchasing for a while as the much lauded Siri voice search will only be initially available in 8 of the 80 release countries. Australia is lucky enough to be one of those countries but unfortunately NZ is not.

    I also believe that version 2 of the device will most likely support 4k as by the time it is released Apple will provide 4k content via the iTunes Store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadKiwi View Post
    While I loved what I saw in the keynote and think that the new Apple TV has some excellent features I think I will wait off purchasing for a while as the much lauded Siri voice search will only be initially available in 8 of the 80 release countries. Australia is lucky enough to be one of those countries but unfortunately NZ is not.

    I also believe that version 2 of the device will most likely support 4k as by the time it is released Apple will provide 4k content via the iTunes Store.
    That is a shame about siri. Does anyone know if the universal search can also be done by the keyboard? or by a wireless keyboard? I know my mum for example hates Siri, but is more than happy to type in letters on the remote..
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    I think that it will be the devs that make this box come alive. Both Plex, my favourite, and inFuse are working on an app for it. People like eBay etc will jump in. Hoping that the 200mb limit doesn't mean the better games like TBS and RPG can't be fully loaded via DLC after the initial install. I use my current TV2 hacked with Plex and watch all my media streamed wirelessly from my external Mac drives with no issues. If I don't need to hack and can get that alone working well I'll be well pleased. Any guesses on pricing? I'm going for $229 for the 32gb and $299 for the 64gb. Personally I'll get a 64gb the instant I can plus the Nimbus controller. Bring it on.
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    I will also buy one when there is a native Plex app. Hopefully iView and SBS On Demand will be available quickly also. Not too fussed about games or 4K support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveClark View Post
    I will also buy one when there is a native Plex app. Hopefully iView and SBS On Demand will be available quickly also. Not too fussed about games or 4K support.
    Forgot about those two. I'm sure there will lots more like that too. Me neither for 4k. I work with the 4K TVs. Sure they look pretty with 4k tweaked demos but really how much clearer do we need than what we have already? To my eyes 1080p mkvs look great for TV and Bluray is amazing for movies already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCKid View Post
    Forgot about those two. I'm sure there will lots more like that too. Me neither for 4k. I work with the 4K TVs. Sure they look pretty with 4k tweaked demos but really how much clearer do we need than what we have already? To my eyes 1080p mkvs look great for TV and Bluray is amazing for movies already.
    Its just a shame. I have a 4K TV (well ok my family) and 4K support would have been great. It simply just looks better than 1080P - and even though there isn't much 4K content, 1080P upscaled on a 4K screen looks better than 1080p content on a 1080p screen.
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    I think we should lobby for a dedicated thread for this. Gonna be a lot of talk once it hits late October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCKid View Post
    I think we should lobby for a dedicated thread for this. Gonna be a lot of talk once it hits late October.
    As in a dedicated forum section??

    If so I'll ask Niche when I get through to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmacs View Post
    As in a dedicated forum section??

    If so I'll ask Niche when I get through to them.
    Yes. I think it will need it. Especially as it has it's own App Store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCKid View Post
    Yes. I think it will need it. Especially as it has it's own App Store.
    I'm onto it

    I can't wait for the AppleTV to come out. Having all the TV catchup services would be great.

    Also interested in the 'Unified' search - I wonder if Apple will allow many other 3rd parties to integrate with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldmacs View Post
    I'm onto it

    I can't wait for the AppleTV to come out. Having all the TV catchup services would be great.

    Also interested in the 'Unified' search - I wonder if Apple will allow many other 3rd parties to integrate with this?
    Agreed. Most interested in the "Unified" part. Since Plex have announced they will definitely bring their app to the new device being able to use the unified search in that would be awesome. Even apps like ABCiview and similar would be great. Exciting times ahead. This may be truly their next big piece of hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCKid View Post
    Agreed. Most interested in the "Unified" part. Since Plex have announced they will definitely bring their app to the new device being able to use the unified search in that would be awesome. Even apps like ABCiview and similar would be great. Exciting times ahead. This may be truly their next big piece of hardware.
    Yeah, I just love the idea of not having to go into Netflix and Stan to try and find stuff... its annoying trying to remember what content is in each particular app.

    The one thing I am concerned about is having to use siri.
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