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    Quote Originally Posted by carlow1 View Post
    Im planning on getting the black aluminum with black rubber strap. Not sure of size yet. I think the 42mm will be too big for me. I'll wait for cheaper third party straps to come out if I want a metal strap. Gosh $649 for the steel strap is ludicrous even for Apple.

    I'm interested to see what the 42mm version looks like on my wrist. I initially thought that it would be too big, but then I measured the size of my current watch and the case is actually 48mm in size! I guess the difference is the Apple Watch is all screen whilst there is a lot of steel surrounding my current watch.

    I had initially thought that $679 for a stainless steel link band was expensive as well, but it is really only because the cost of the watch is broken down into the case and the watch band. When priced together it is more in line with other premium watches. In one of my earlier posts I reported that a replacement stainless steel band for my Tag Heuer is $950! I had never thought about getting a replacement band, but it put the price Apple are charging in perspective for me.

    There are definitely watch manufacturers who can make a cheaper stainless steel band, so Apple are really pricing in line with their direct competitors. I guess it shows that the swiss watch manufacturers have been gouging us in prices for awhile now.
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    Also interested with the fitness tracking. I look forward to the day I can go for a run and not carry my phone in order to track my run. Unfortunately not the case with gen1 apple watch. How much space does a gps take up? Will the apple watch get one eventually?
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    The next year is certainly going to be interesting. I really don't think the watch market is ready. Pebble are probably closest to what needs to be done, until battery tech make a big leap then the rest are chained to daily charging. The smart straps with Pebble are the dark horse as well.

    I've got to July until I see my Pebble time steel so many things will have played out by then.
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    One thing to keep in mind with this new line is that Apple only enters markets it thinks it can disrupt, and is not in any way short of options. As Cook has been saying for years at shareholder meetings, Apple's problem is not what to do next, it's which one of the many is the best possible opportunity for the company. They obviously see huge potential here or else they wouldn't be doing this to the exclusion of all the other cool things they might be doing instead.

    I could easily imagine the whole longevity aspect being handled by the fact that the electronics in this are replaceable at an insignificant cost. Remember that the works of every Watch is the same, albeit in 2 sizes, so the $499 Watch, which Apple will make their usual healthy margin on, will have maybe $300 of innards, maybe less. And the Edition will be the same. The battery will probably be under $50 retail; especially once they've made a few million of them. So, the Edition could conceivably get complete heart transplants, of who knows what new tech, that are a fraction of the cost of a new band. The price bracket would readily lend itself to this and even the mid range would still be worth doing this to. Never underestimate Apple's ability to turn things on their heads.

    And, long before you have to replace anything, there will be software updates. Apple turned the phone world upside down by controlling OS updates, there is no reason to think they will not add significant functionality and power savings through software on the Watch. It seems clear to me that this thing has enormous potential and I'm not even a potential customer.

    I'm not a watch person nor am I a luxury goods consumer in most senses - I do have some expensive tools of various kinds - and I have been astonished to see the prices changa mentions for his watches. Obviously though, Ive, Newson, Arehndts and probably Cook and others at Apple know a lot about the world in which people drop large amounts of cash on premium objects. These are smart people; at the top of their game. I'm pretty confident they've thought it through. That doesn't mean they'll be successful, but it means they will have strategies for getting there.

    And even though I could not imagine dropping $20k on a watch I can easily see the value in a $200k car, and would buy a Tesla Model S P85D in a heartbeat if my income allowed for such things more easily. Sure there are plenty of good cars you can get for much less, but none of them are as good and I would appreciate the things that make it awesome - as one of many examples, the performance settings are "Economy", "Performance" and "Insane". I could buy one, but I'm just not inclined towards that much debt for a car. I am thinking about setting up a charging station though...

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    Will people be able to use their Watch while driving?

    I see the watch as another distraction to a population of distracted drivers..
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    Well, no one has been booked for wearing a Pebble or Android Wear watch yet.
    Realistically, I don't think watches are as distracting as mobile phones. At best, you can glance at a message, and maybe deploy Siri by voice to deliver a response or dial a number. Most car voice response systems are far dumber than Siri, in my experience 😄

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    Found a good article about the Apple Watch from a Watch Guy's perspective. it shows that the Apple Watch is a premium device but not for everybody.

    A Watch Guy's Thoughts On The Apple Watch After Seeing It In The Metal (Tons Of Live Photos)
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    Interesting. Written after the first release. I wonder what he thinks now prices have been announced. Most of the watch reviewers and forums I follow have been pretty dismissive; indeed, a telling factor is that most of the discussion has stopped. My conclusion: Apple's target market is not watch aficionados. So the question is whether Apple can generate sales among the conspicuous consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimboC View Post
    Interesting. Written after the first release. I wonder what he thinks now prices have been announced. Most of the watch reviewers and forums I follow have been pretty dismissive; indeed, a telling factor is that most of the discussion has stopped. My conclusion: Apple's target market is not watch aficionados. So the question is whether Apple can generate sales among the conspicuous consumers.
    This is his follow up article after the prices were released. More Apple Watch Details Announced, Including Pricing, All-Day Battery Life, Colors, And Custom Alloys

    Basically he says the price of the watches (excluding the Edition) means that Apple is going for the lower end of the watch market. 'By pricing the entry-level Apple watches at $349 to $1,099, Apple appears to be making a play for the broader, lower-end market for watches (and more importantly, for consumers who currently do not own a watch).'
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    There's a great article at Atomic Delights about how the watch is being manufactured.

    I see these videos and I see a process that could only have been created by a team looking to execute on a level far beyond what was necessary or what will be noticed. This isn't a supply chain, it is a ritual Apple is performing to bring themselves up to the standards necessary to compete against companies with centuries of experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    There's a great article at Atomic Delights about how the watch is being manufactured.
    This is exactly what I've been thinking: when Apple enters a market/product category, they want to "cross every T and dot every I". They have the resources - and scale - to do so. Who blames them for wanting to perfect the art of smartwatch-making?

    So what, they used 18-carat solid gold for just one model? How does it affect the rest of us who would be perfectly content with the Sport or regular model? We should be revelling in the fact that Apple have gone to excruciating attention-to-detail for the entire manufacturing process for every single model, including the "entry" $499 Sport.
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    Hey guys, careful with the Kool-Aid! No question, Apple has given great attention to detail as regards the design (inc straps), the electronics, the software and the finish, but once all those things are "golden masters", they can pump them out like sausages. Jonny Ives does a great job narrating those videos, but it's really quite different to the art and precision that goes into a great mechanical timepiece, as produced by specialist watchmakers in the Jura Mountains.

    I'm betting, like the first Mac, Newton, iPod, MacBook...etc, the current Apple Watch will look quite dated in a couple of years time. That's never the case with classic timepieces, which many of the volume watchmakers of today continue to pay homage to in their designs.

    Earlier, soulman suggested that Apple might conceivably update the innards of the Edition. Conceivable, yes...likely, no. Why would they? And if they can with the Edition, they can with the Sport, which is why it won't happen.

    The Apple Watch is an interesting experiment, one that probably only Apple can afford to undertake, and we're all interested to see how it will turn out. My speculation at the moment is that they'll do ok at the low end, but the Edition will be a failure.

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    uatocorect 😉

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    I'm a watch guy too.

    I plan to buy the black cheapie and if I find myself actually making use of it I might upgrade to a better bracelet. Either the Milanese one or see what the third part bracelets are like. After a couple of years if I'm still finding it useful I'll upgrade to whatever the equivalent of the steel one is. I hope current generations bracelets stay compatible with future generations, but I can see Apple precisely not doing that.

    Since I'm a watch guy I plan to double wrist the Apple watch with the screen under the wrist and wear it with other bracelets as well as one of my mechanical watches.



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    Oooh, takes a lot to pull off the double wrist look...even Depp doesn't cut it. Certain days of the week is my proposed approach. I have too many others in rotation!

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    Folks, I love apple's equipment. My first apple computer was an Apple IIc. Loved it, I've had god knows how many macs and the like. Though even for a die-hard user who got his first machine in 1984, this watch seems like an overpriced gadget that frankly seems rather pointless.

    I've worn rolexs, panerais, IWC and other swiss watches for years, they appreciate in value they have a timeless set of complications I've loved and continue to do so. They don't date and given they are all automatics they wind themselves. I understand I probably sound like a old fossil saying this, though a watch at least for me is jewellery. Its not an electronic device to be updated.

    So by all means buy one, though its an overpriced gadget. If you're going to buy one of the luxury versions seriously consider buying a luxury watch it will appreciate in value and it has a beauty the apple watch I doubt will ever have.

    I can only imagine Steve Jobs would turn in his grave too!

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    I think the Apple watch could inspire more interest in traditional watches.

    If anything, traditional watch manufacturers are probably happy. Apple can put out some dorky product, they sure won't care.

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    My biggest problem with the watch is people using it while driving. There are so many drivers who are on their phones while they drive, a Watch is just gonna be a bigger distraction and temptation.
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