• A few weeks ago I was playing around with my Elgato EyeTV software and I noticed that the software also supported a couple of different HD network TV systems, and not just the Netstream device that Elgato make for themselves. (Click the link to see a review for that device).

    I did some hunting around the web and found that one of the supported Network / IPTV systems is called Freebox, unfortunately not available here in Australia. HDHomeRun powers the Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner and it is available here and there are a couple of ways to get hold of one - direct from the supplier via hdhomerun.com.au and also available via JB HiFi.

    The Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner box is a dual TV tuner device that connects to your computer via ethernet or WiFi (802.11n recommended) It does the same job that the Elgato Netstream box does, however, its major selling point is its price: $169.95 plus $15 postage and packaging. Compare that to the current price for a Netstream at $300.

    I've not managed to find a recent review of this system using a Mac so I asked the good folks at Kaiser Bass if they could provide me with a review unit, they have been kind enough to do so - so we can all find out if this is any good!

    Lets break the whole package down - In the Box you get:

    A network cable, a power supply, a male to male tv co-ax cable, a software disk and, of course, the Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner unit.

    The network cable and co-ax are pretty good quality looking items, the power supply appears to be internal on the unit so the power pack is a nice plug that doesn't take up more than socket space on a powerboard.

    The Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner is nowhere near as big as you probably expect it to be - I know I was surprised at just how neat a design it is.



    The main difference, out of the box, is that you do not get the Elgato EyeTV3 software with the Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner. This alone will cost you somewhere around €75!

    I'm lucky enough to own a couple of USB Elgato tuners so I got the software with them, and you can, if you have a licensed copy of the software, use this hardware with it. I'd recommend that - you'll find out why later in the review.

    Set up is so simple with the hardware - first plug in your aerial, then the network cable and finally the power. The device doesn't do it's own wireless so you must use ethernet to connect. I'd recommend using an external aerial if you've got one available, however in testing I managed to get all the channels to work perfectly and had great signal using a "junk" magnetic aerial that I got in the box with another USB TV tuner!

    I decided out of the box to follow the instructions that came with the it, I don't know about you but having never set one of these up before I thought it best to see what to do. I honestly wish that I could say that this was as simple as setting up your Mac for the first time. Alas, it wasn't to be. It took me nearly 5 hours to get the darn thing to work. Partly that was because I read the manual, for what it was worth, and partly - and most surprisingly - it was because I already have EyeTV installed.

    Let me explain - The software that is supplied for Mac is, to not put too fine a point on it, hateful. Please - if you decide to buy the device after reading this review - please, I beg you, do not put it on your Mac. You'll cry, you'll pull your hair out and you'll want to jump up and down on the horrible person that reviewed it in the first place! I *almost* feel sorry for the PC users who probably don't have much better than this shocker to do their computer controlled TV.

    I wasted a significant amount of time trying to see what the software was able to do.

    My recommendation is that you use the Elgato EyeTV software. If you've already got the software installed on your Mac I'll give you a tip that will save you even more time (not to mention hair and some sanity, especially after the pain of that horrible HDHomeRun software!)

    To get the EyeTV software to see the Kaiser Bass device you *MUST* run the EyeTV Setup Assistant. I found an article on the Elgato site suggesting that you may need to leave the system in device detect mode for a wee while. If you do this you'll save yourself a lot of frustration.

    Once you are all set up you should be cooking with gas. If you've used EyeTV with a USB tuner before you'll know how the software works. This isn't a review of that though.

    So, how does the Kaiser Bass Network device perform? Brilliantly. I'm extremely happy with how it worked. I've noticed that the picture quality seems to be more stable on the recordings that I've been making - there is less jitter and pixelation on them. This is probably because the way we've been recording two shows at once before is using 2 USB tuners through 1 USB 2.0 powered hub that is shared with a keyboard and a mouse.


    If you want, you can also run your USB tuners at the same time - I've just finished testing it and we had 4 shows recording at once with no problem at all (apart from hard drive space!) You can do everything with this device that you can do with the more expensive Elgato Netstream. If you already own the EyeTV software and were considering that then I'd recommend that you consider this instead.

    Conclusion:

    Sure, it's not metal boxed, it doesn't come with fancy software (but if you've got it already why pay for it again?) and the supplied software should be banned under the Geneva convention, but when it comes to the cold hard folding cash - this wins hands down.

    Software 1/5
    Hardware 4/5

    I’ve now got the challenge of getting my better half to let me buy one!

    My review unit was kindly provided by the folks at Kaiser Baas who sell the Kaiser Bass Network TV Tuner here in Australia.
    Comments 12 Comments
    1. ArghDee's Avatar
      ArghDee -
      Shallow depth of field photos aren't great for product shots.
    1. vargz's Avatar
      vargz -
      Sounds great but …
      You can do everything with this device that you can do with the more expensive Elgato Netstream

      Can it stream directly to iOS devices via the eyeTV app?
    1. debbiep's Avatar
      debbiep -
      Quote Originally Posted by vargz View Post

      Can it stream directly to iOS devices via the eyeTV app?
      No, it can't.

      ---------- Post added at 10:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 AM ----------

      I posted this earlier but it appears to have never appeared, or is sitting in moderator hell...

      I've had two of the older HDHomerun DVB-T model for a year or so, and I have nothing but praise for these devices. They can go anywhere in the house that you can get Ethernet to, even in the roof space close to the antenna. They have good tuners, better than my Elgato Diversity for signal quality fed from the same antenna. I've been tempted to buy a third lately, since one tuner is pretty much tied up every night at the moment recording Masterchef.

      EyeTV has its... quirks... but it copes pretty well with the HDHomerun (better than it does with USB tuners which have a habit of chewing through CPU and disconnecting from the USB hub). It recognizes multiple units so you can record two, four, six shows simultaneously, provided you are using 100 Mbit Ethernet or better, and provided you record to a fast hard disk (internal is best).

      EyeTV is too dumb to use one tuner for overlapping recordings on the same channel or for recording different channels on the same multiplex, but the documentation for HDHomerun suggests that it can stream this kind of signal if asked. In Europe people use the same device on MPEG4 streams, so I'm hoping that I'm future-proofed if the Freeview cartel in Australia decide to switch from MPEG2.

      For the command-line nerd, there is a program hdhomerun_config which you can use to control the HDHomerun completely sans GUI. Linux people will appreciate the simple interface. There's support for HDHomerun in MythTV, XBMC and VLC. (I hear that they work well with Windows Media Center too.) hdhomerun_config is the only software that I actually installed, so I can neither confirm nor refute Lutze's problems with the supplied software.

      Elgato's Netstream DTT does have a very similar feature set, with one feature not present in the HDHomerun: you can stream live TV directly from the Netstream DTT straight to iOS devices without an intervening transcoder. With HDHomerun you need to be running EyeTV or VLC as middleman. And of course, the Netstream DTT comes with a copy of EyeTV.

      I've been accustomed to associating the Kaiser Baas brand with high-tech toys of dubious worth, but the HDHomerun isn't one of them. If the new HDHomerun is anywhere near as good as the older units I have, then this is the future of free-to-air TV tuners. I don't even use my EyeTV Diversity USB stick any more.

      Lutze, you've written "Kaiser Bass" through much of the review. It's "Kaiser Baas".
    1. Lutze's Avatar
      Lutze -
      Quote Originally Posted by vargz View Post
      Sounds great but …
      You can do everything with this device that you can do with the more expensive Elgato Netstream

      Can it stream directly to iOS devices via the eyeTV app?
      Actually.. I don't think you can. You are quite correct to pull me up for that. Though I do note that the Netstream can only do this with SD channels, not HD ones.

      As for my brand name spelling mistake... I blame using an OS that is in Beta that auto corrects while you type... that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!
    1. vargz's Avatar
      vargz -
      Quote Originally Posted by Lutze View Post
      Actually.. I don't think you can. You are quite correct to pull me up for that. Though I do note that the Netstream can only do this with SD channels, not HD ones.
      OK, so indirect streaming via a Mac is the only way to get HD channels on an iOS device, using the Netstream or the Kaiser Baas?
    1. Lutze's Avatar
      Lutze -
      Quote Originally Posted by vargz View Post
      OK, so indirect streaming via a Mac is the only way to get HD channels on an iOS device, using the Netstream or the Kaiser Baas?
      I've no experience of this. All I can say is what it tells you on the netstream product page. Perhaps ask someone with one, I linked to a review of one done here on Mactalk.

      Sorry.
    1. debbiep's Avatar
      debbiep -
      Quote Originally Posted by vargz View Post
      OK, so indirect streaming via a Mac is the only way to get HD channels on an iOS device, using the Netstream or the Kaiser Baas?
      I can't vouch for "only way", but I just tried from HDHomeRun2 -> EyeTV3.5 -> iPad1 on ABC News 24 and it does work with live HD TV channels. It chews through CPU—about 60% on a 2009 C2D Mac Mini. Quality isn't HD, but it couldn't be on an iPad anyway. The wireless network got pushed to about 300 kB per second.

      With an Elgato Turbo264.HD (a USB hardware video transcoder) plugged in, CPU utilization was about halved. Quality of image wasn't affected.
    1. vargz's Avatar
      vargz -
      Thanks debbiep
    1. nbetts's Avatar
      nbetts -
      Hi Guys

      Just bought one of these and be buggered if i can get it to work.

      got it plugged into my airport express that joining my Home Network.

      Run eye TV set up assistant but it cant see the device.

      Would it be because it plugged into the airport express not my main Extreme router?
    1. Lutze's Avatar
      Lutze -
      Quote Originally Posted by nbetts View Post
      Hi Guys

      Just bought one of these and be buggered if i can get it to work.

      got it plugged into my airport express that joining my Home Network.

      Run eye TV set up assistant but it cant see the device.

      Would it be because it plugged into the airport express not my main Extreme router?
      I tried using that config - quick question - is the singular green / red LED (the one of the left of the device on it's own) red or green?

      If it's red then it's because it's not being given an IP address in this configuration. I tried it and couldn't get it to work. Didn't really have the time to try and get it working either.
    1. nbetts's Avatar
      nbetts -
      thanks Lutz

      Yes the light is Red.

      I emailed support for the product, they were actually pretty fast in getting back to me.

      The guy said that the Kaiser wont work on a bridged router. It needs to be plugged into the main router to work. Which is a little frustrating. Not sure i can think of a work around at this point.

      The express is plugged in by the TV and my Mac is in my bedroom where there is no arial. I did try just a normal eyetv tuner last week but couldnt get a signal with the supplied small antenna.
    1. purana's Avatar
      purana -
      Wanted to buy one of these 3 years ago when they first hit the shores. Never happened due to other priorites at the time. However tempted to buy one now.. what could sway me.

      EDIT: bought one
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