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MTBlogBot2000
21st October 2010, 04:58 AM
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em>While you were sleeping, I stayed up and took some notes...</em></p>
Tim Cook kicked off proceedings with a State of the Mac - basically saying "the Mac is still making us rich, so don't worry, we still love it!"

Steve came back and started talking about <strong>iLife '11</strong> after telling everyone to turn their phones on silent. Naughty journos.

iPhoto '11: Revamped full screen mode, big Facebook integration, better photo emailing (no need to leave iPhoto), new slideshow system and really cool book printing and even letterpress cards! Phil Schiller gave us a demo of all this.

iMovie '11: New audio editing style with audio effects ("LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER"), People Finder, new themes, one step effects and an auto movie trailer feature that is incredibly cheesy, but you know everyone that does't know better will love it. Apple even had the London Symphony Orchestra make original music to use in your trailers. Randy Ubillos demoed his baby.

GarageBand '11: FlexTime (fixes bad notes within tracks), groove matching (fixes bad rhythm apparently), new guitar effects and piano &amp; guitar lessons. Xander Soren demoed GarageBand.

iWeb and iDVD: no demos given, not even a mention of any new stuff in those apps either - <a href="http://www.apple.com/au/ilife">Apple website has more info on the entire suite.</a>

<a href="http://www.s2d6.com/x/?x=c&amp;z=s&amp;v=936514&amp;k=[NETWORKID]">AU$69 for iLife '11 - available to order now from the Apple Online Store.</a>

Steve returns and explains FaceTime is coming to the Mac. Separate app which takes your contacts from Address Book and away you go. Mac to Mac, Mac to iOS, whatever. The Mac app can even auto detect the video orientation and rotate the window appropriately. Very simple app. Is available now from the Apple website.

<strong>Mac OS X Lion</strong> peeked its head out from behind the sheets. Lion is all about bringing iOS innovation to Mac OS X on the desktop. Mac meets iPad.

Multi-touch Gestures. Vertical touch surfaces don't work. No touch screen Macs any time soon.

Mac App Store for the desktop. Free &amp; paid apps. Auto install. Auto app updates. Not the sole way to get apps on the Mac. Apps are licenced for all your Macs, not just a single device.

Launchpad. A home screen for your Mac like the iPad's home screen.

Mission Control. Merges Spaces, Expose, full-screen apps and Dashboard.

Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, coming in US Summer 2011 (so June-August 2011 AU) - <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/">Apple website has more info.</a>

Mac App Store is coming in 90 days, direct to 10.6 (Snow Leopard), no need for 10.7 Lion. Accepting app submissions in November. <a href="http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/">Apple website has more info on the Mac App Store.</a>

One More Thing - "What would happen if a MacBook and an iPad hooked up?" - instant on, great battery life, solid state storage, thin &amp; light. Result is a new <strong>MacBook Air</strong> - "we think it's the future of notebooks". <a href="http://www.apple.com/macbookair/#macbook-air-video">Here's a nice video showing off the MBA's new stuff.</a>
<ul>
<li>Intel Core 2 Duo - 13.3" has 1.86Ghz, 2.13Ghz (6mb cache) - 11.6" has 1.4Ghz &amp; 1.6Ghz (3mb cache)</li>
<li>13.3" (1440x900) or 11.6" (1366x768)</li>
<li>1.7cm thick at the max point</li>
<li>NVIDIA 320M graphics</li>
<li>7hr battery life on 13" - 5hrs on 11" (using wi-fi) - 30 days standby</li>
<li>No ethernet port, no optical drive, SSD storage only</li>
<li>SSD capacity: 64GB or 128GB on 11" - 128GB or 256GB on 13"</li>
<li>802.11n, Bluetooth, 2x USB ports, MagSafe, Mini Displayport, Headphone socket.</li>
<li>Software Reinstall Drive (USB key with software on it)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.apple.com/au/macbookair/specs.html">Full specs on the Apple Website</a></li>
</ul>
Price - base model 11.6" (1.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 64GB SSD) is <a href="http://www.s2d6.com/x/?x=c&amp;z=s&amp;v=946732&amp;k=[NETWORKID]">AU$1199</a> - base model 13.3" (1.86GHz, 2GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is <a href="http://www.s2d6.com/x/?x=c&amp;z=s&amp;v=946732&amp;k=[NETWORKID]">AU$1599</a>. Will be shipping in 2 days here in Australia (so order now, get it Monday from the online store)

the gaffer guy
21st October 2010, 05:09 AM
Don't get me wrong. The Air is very nice but the announcements were a little light on.

Part update to iLife, no update to iWork, no speed bump to rest of range of Macs and nothing with the Pro. I know some of them were bumped recently, but we are use to more than a single piece of hardware and software.

Biggest dissapointment was the half effort with iLife. Nothing with iWeb seems like such an oversight. The ability to make HTML5 sites especially for the iPhone and iPad would have been an amazing feature and the natural progression of this app.

Really feel lie they had something else planned but never got there.

aparajuli
21st October 2010, 05:17 AM
i know we can order it online but what about stores? when will say the Apple store in Chermside get its stock?

Balthazar
21st October 2010, 05:20 AM
Please God dont tell me they have not only not updated iWeb.. they have dropped it!!!! Fuck that shit!

Lockley
21st October 2010, 05:25 AM
Please God dont tell me they have not only not updated iWeb.. they have dropped it!!!! Fuck that shit!

They dropped it like it was a Powerbook G5 :p

Thrymr
21st October 2010, 05:26 AM
Please God dont tell me they have not only not updated iWeb.. they have dropped it!!!! Fuck that shit!

It's still included, along with iDVD.

Joey1983
21st October 2010, 05:32 AM
No new iWork. My bet is they'll release it in January as a download from the new Mac App Store.

kyte
21st October 2010, 05:40 AM
The new 11" AIR interests me but not much else does...

Oldmacs
21st October 2010, 05:59 AM
Very disapointing, hope there are more features on lion than a new expose and launch pad, besides that it looks like leopard.

DJY
21st October 2010, 06:00 AM
Mmm 13 MBA with 4 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD
I think that has my name on it...

need to read all the fine print though... like the idea of the SD card - if it can be used as an extra hot swappable hard drive (like I use USB drives for at present).
Extra USB good as well.

Chundermuffin
21st October 2010, 06:15 AM
Looks like the Macbook Pros had slight price drops, anyone else notice this?

iCantwait
21st October 2010, 06:23 AM
Apple care for laptops is cheaper.

Reubania
21st October 2010, 06:27 AM
Wow. A little underwhelmed. Though I do not use my rev A MBA, can't really see upgrading to the latest MBA. I guess for me the 4GB RAM is a great option, but that's about it. Am thinking of selling my Air and getting the next revision iPad.

The_Hawk
21st October 2010, 06:27 AM
Looks like the Macbook Pros had slight price drops, anyone else notice this?

I thought the 17" MBP was ~$2,900 so yeah, looks like it.

Even so against it's still $US2,299 vs AU$2,798 = ~0.82 conversion rate. Factor in GST and it's up to about a $0.90 conversion rate, still not as high as I would have expected, so I'm assuming they have a 10% currency hedge in there. Looking at the base Mac mini and that rate is more like $0.77 even including GST :(

We all understand how it works, I was just quietly hoping for some change at this event.

ruegen
21st October 2010, 06:28 AM
Please God dont tell me they have not only not updated iWeb.. they have dropped it!!!! Fuck that shit!

Could be offering all that in a very different service that's not ready yet (plus it simplifies)

tcn33
21st October 2010, 06:31 AM
Lion is a tad underwhelming. Hopefully there's a few as-yet-unrevealed improvements.

griffmiester
21st October 2010, 06:38 AM
Lion is a tad underwhelming. Hopefully there's a few as-yet-unrevealed improvements.

They still have 5-6 months till it's released.

Mac Monk
21st October 2010, 06:58 AM
Fizzzzzzzzzz'r

AnthoMac
21st October 2010, 07:26 AM
They still have 5-6 months till it's released.
They wont be adding new features weeks before release. It will be in lockdown 'code complete' mode by then.

Lion definately seems like another incremental update such as Snow Leopard was to Leopard. I was really hoping for a Finder refresh. Apple is crazy about Apps it seems - the multitouch gestures can be added via software such as Better Touch Tools and the App homescreen is yet another layer over the existing finder/applications folder/desktop moniker users are used to already.

Full screen is going to confuse alot of Windows migrators as well as some Mac users as well, dunno why they didn't just add another button (oh wait SJ hates buttons!)

If they're the 'big things' about Lion then I surely hope Apple has many nice incremental improvements to list in time for release.

Also, iLife 11 should be cheaper since only 3 apps have been updated.


On a sidenote I wonder if any MBPs in the future will support hybrid flash storage and traditional hard drives? Instant on MBPs with 500GB+ of storage? Yes please!

motef
21st October 2010, 07:27 AM
No built in 3G on MBA.

I mean... come on..

Steve_D
21st October 2010, 07:33 AM
If these new Airs takes off i can see Apple dropping the Plastic Macbook from the range.
With the price points being similar it looks like a logical step.

Joey1983
21st October 2010, 07:35 AM
Also, iLife 11 should be cheaper since only 3 apps have been updated.


$69 seems pretty good for what you get.
How much was iLife 09? $129 from memory, (could be wrong?)

shiny
21st October 2010, 07:42 AM
Not too much to get excited about, the Mac App store looks good though. From the screenshots on Apples site looks like you can buy iPhoto separately which is the only app I really want from iLife 11.

MacDub
21st October 2010, 07:48 AM
Hmmm.. I've been waiting for the new MBA.

But I'm a little disappointed that it still contains no 3G and there's no sync between iTunes, so it'll be another iTunes library, unlike the iPad / iPhone.

Other than that, it's nice.

glitch
21st October 2010, 08:11 AM
So i had a boy look and couldnt find it, where is the facetime for Mac app??

Dust For Eyes
21st October 2010, 08:36 AM
According to Engadget the new MBA doesn't come with flash! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/macbook-air-all-substance-no-flash/)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/mba-no-flash-fix-rm-eng.jpg

Ha!

But you can install it yourself.

sageco
21st October 2010, 08:36 AM
As tempting as the new MBAs are, no real point in replacing my old plastic Macbook until they put in the Core ix processors.

Steve_D
21st October 2010, 08:39 AM
Hmmm.. I've been waiting for the new MBA.

But I'm a little disappointed that it still contains no 3G and there's no sync between iTunes, so it'll be another iTunes library, unlike the iPad / iPhone.

Other than that, it's nice.

Remember that it still runs 10.6.4.
The features you are wanting may come either in 10.6.5 or iTunes 11.

As for the 3G that was an obvious thing to leave out. Especially with the issues they are having with multiple networks in the US atm (GSM vs CDMA vs LTE).
They wont integrate a 3G chip into a notebook until they can use a "world chip" like the one rumoured to be coming in the iphone5/4 update. That way there will be no issues about carrier availability etc.

cosmichobo
21st October 2010, 08:39 AM
Typically (always?) Apple AU only change their prices on NEW products. So, it's no shock that the existing line of unchanged Macbooks/Macs/etc haven't moved/may have only moved marginally.

You can't even really bitch about the new Macbook Air. At first glance, sure - US$999 vs AU$1199? Surely that's a rip off? But once you add GST and a $0.97 exchange rate... $1133... Allow for our smaller market size (thus less demand), and dare I say, it's fairly well priced.

Now, on to my thoughts about everything else.

F u c K - just about sums it up. I am bloody glad that my fiancée hands her thesis in today, and will be looking for work soon, because at the new prices, I could well see myself with a Macbook Air!

Which is just as well, as the other big thing - FaceTime for Mac - isn't supported on my parents' iMac. (Could currently use my fiancée's MBP, but then there's no option on their end).

This is MASSIVE! Video phone that works via your existing internet connection and works from any (intel) Mac to any other (intel) Mac or those i-devices. WOWSER!

The new internet network can't come soon enough.

Wanna talk nails in coffins (re optical drive woes) - telecommunications companies get f'd! *


* Limitations of existing data transfer speeds accepted, but concept and future abilities still causing great WOWs

Alessiman
21st October 2010, 08:41 AM
I'm actually very tempted to get the new MBA air now and replace my 13" MBP with it

Steve_D
21st October 2010, 08:42 AM
So i had a boy look and couldnt find it, where is the facetime for Mac app??

Apple - FaceTime for Mac (http://www.apple.com/au/mac/facetime/)

Steve_D
21st October 2010, 08:46 AM
You can't even really bitch about the new Macbook Air. At first glance, sure - US$999 vs AU$1199? Surely that's a rip off? But once you add GST and a $0.97 exchange rate... $1133... Allow for our smaller market size (thus less demand), and dare I say, it's fairly well priced.

Dont forget that US store prices do not include US sales tax as thats added at time of checkout.

So if you can work out what state sales tax you will have to pay for say New York or LA. Then add that to the $999 price and you will come out closer to $1133.

Add to that the cost of freight and it should be pretty damn close $ for $.

DagrtheSnide
21st October 2010, 08:50 AM
Or you can go to a US state that doesn't have sales tax.

glitch
21st October 2010, 09:04 AM
Had a quick play with facetime, the most obvious drawback remains that facetime still doesnt work via 3G on the iPhone without JBing.

The other thing I am struggling to understand is that if I have the facetime app on all my hardware and say I want to call my wife at home from my iPhone, I can only call her on her iPhone with the new facetime, because to call the computers at home I would be trying to facetime call myself??

Chief911
21st October 2010, 09:15 AM
Just found this on Youtube. Part 1 is a little blocky put 2 & 3 are fine and if you don't want to wait till apple puts the proper version online then i suggest this...

YouTube - Part 1 Apple: Back to the Mac - 20th October 2010 HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrclyJrhU6Y)

Just change the part ' 1 ' to a 2 and it will come up....etc

Steve_D
21st October 2010, 09:18 AM
I tested it this morning. Seems to work fine. I just told it to call my iphone by calling the phone and not my email address.

worked but strangely it showed the same image on both screens until the facetime call came through. Not sure if it was a bug or because they were both my devices?

cosmichobo
21st October 2010, 09:23 AM
Exactly.

So, the price is good.

Devil rolla
21st October 2010, 09:26 AM
Didn't apple say they weren't in the notebook market, cause there was no point ?
"And now, it’s true of Apple’s most mobile notebook ever: MacBook Air."

right...

cosmichobo
21st October 2010, 09:40 AM
Notebook ≠ Netbook.

Ecto1
21st October 2010, 10:06 AM
Question is how long till they bring the iPhone/iPad App store to the Mac App App, then bring the iTunes store as a Mac App and leave iTunes as a stand alone media player/library?

bitingmammal
21st October 2010, 10:25 AM
Question is how long till they bring the iPhone/iPad App store to the Mac App App, then bring the iTunes store as a Mac App and leave iTunes as a stand alone media player/library?

They will never do that - remember there are people who use Windows PCs with their iPhones. The Mac App App wouldn't be on a Windows PC. The iPhone/iPad App Store will always be part of iTunes.

MissionMan
21st October 2010, 10:49 AM
I'm pretty underwhelmed to be honest, but I'm holding out hope that they aren't demonstrating the full functionality of the new OS so we may be surprised when it arrives. I was hoping for changes in the OS like a finder upgrade, app launch pads don't do it for me on OSX. As for the extra features on the multitouch pad, big deal, there are plenty of third party apps that added this ages ago.

Even Snow Leopard came with more feature adds than this and the app store is more of a sales pitch for Apple themselves than a feature add. It would be nice if it helps even out the ripoff Adobe pricing but at least I can use my US itunes account to buy stuff if it doesn't.

Magicpony
21st October 2010, 11:14 AM
Just spoke to Apple and the guy confirmed that iLife '11 is 64bit. Now it's worth upgrading.

The Fluffy Duck
21st October 2010, 11:37 AM
The new iMovie looks awesome, the other two are meh but others may like them.

Facetime on mac is a great strategic move, possibly on windows as well to really cement it.

OSX Lion seems to be a bit of a let down. App store was an inevitability.

Macbook air, still no 3G modem, what are they thinking?

The Fluffy Duck
21st October 2010, 11:43 AM
I get the impression iWeb was a.....mistake for Apple? Released after the blog boom with no real purpose, so it missed the boat. It was probably a board of directors decision, and now Apple is stuck with this useless piece of software they have no idea what to do with. They might as well have released a "Multimedia CD" maker :(

Just the vibe I get.

Arkhum_Eramak
21st October 2010, 12:33 PM
I dig that new MacBook Air...I am seriously considering replacing my 13" MBP! And the price! All good all the time!

I think they were only talking consumer features in 10.7. LEt's face it, whilst we power users may balk at the idea of the springboard and an optional app store, how many average Joes out there do you think are finding and downloading and purchasing third party software from some of the awesome guys out there producing Mac software? Sales may not boom, but I think it'll make a difference for mum and dad in terms of even greater accessibility to computers without infringing upon the power user's user experience at all (and still potentially improving it).

I was personally hoping they'd talk about AV Foundation and at least name drop Final Cut Pro. But middle of the year 2011 is good for me! There'll be plenty of extra, under-the-hood improvements in 10.7 I am willing to bet.

dezinerau
21st October 2010, 12:47 PM
I get the impression iWeb was a.....mistake for Apple? Released after the blog boom with no real purpose, so it missed the boat. It was probably a board of directors decision, and now Apple is stuck with this useless piece of software they have no idea what to do with. They might as well have released a "Multimedia CD" maker :(

Just the vibe I get.

You’re probably right. The way iWeb works means they can’t even release something (that should be) simple, like an iPhone App for managing/updating your site. The lack of database on the server means everything except the static pages is kept on your home machine, limiting your ability to edit anything on the fly.

So there’s three options: reconcept/rebuild it from the ground up, ditch it altogether, or what they’re doing right now, which is stick it in the too-hard basket.

NORMANDY
21st October 2010, 01:42 PM
give this a listen at the 21 minute mark... my comments.... Mac OS Ken: Live 10.20.2010, Recorded on 10/20/10 macosken on USTREAM. Other Technology (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10322824)

cosmichobo
21st October 2010, 02:19 PM
I get the impression iWeb was a.....mistake for Apple? Released after the blog boom with no real purpose, so it missed the boat. It was probably a board of directors decision, and now Apple is stuck with this useless piece of software they have no idea what to do with.

Bit of retooling, combining elements from various other apps, and they'd have HyperCard II... add to that, as seen in HyperCard I, the ability to make your creations into stand alone apps, and you've got an exploding app store as people self publish their creations...

ajbeardy
21st October 2010, 02:46 PM
Apple seemed to have reduced the AppleCare price for the MacBook / MacBook Air / Mac Book Pro 13.

I am sure it was $379 yesterday, now $329

MacBook / MacBook Air / 13" MacBook Pro - AppleCare Protection Plan - Apple Store (Australia) (http://store.apple.com/au/product/APPLECAREMBA-102582?mco=MTYzNjAwMzk)

Stez
21st October 2010, 03:16 PM
Pretty impressed. But skipped this because there wasn't going to be a live stream. Thanks for the notice Apple! Picking up iLife '11 right away. iLife is an epic suite and iPhoto is by far the best consumer photo managing app out now. Mac app store is a really smart move.

nibbles
21st October 2010, 03:19 PM
is they keynote viewable yet? I couldn't be bothered this morning to watch it, by the sounds of it I didn't miss much.

Found it don't worry

shorebuck
21st October 2010, 03:34 PM
This was a pleasant surprise for me - I was just about to buy the Family pack Mac Box to keep all my machines up to date with 10.6/iLife etc - I believe it was 300 bucks at the start of the week, so new version and price drop = woo!

Phormic
21st October 2010, 03:41 PM
Lion looks like impressive stuff for the average Joe. We take it for granted but the process of installing (and updating) an application for most people is incredibly confusing. How many people do you see with gigs worth of .dmg's in their downloads folder or running Skype off a disc image on their desktop? Not only that, but they also don't even have to worry where their applications are saved. No directories. Just do stuff.

The interwebs at the moment are full of geeks moaning about how Steve never told us about some esoteric feature they wanted, something that would concern a tiny percentage of the computing population. However for the masses, 10.7 Lion is a big shift - a fundamental simplification in computer operation.

TheKeddi
21st October 2010, 03:46 PM
I'm a happy camper! iLife 11 has been shipped to me already! Liking the look of the new cards and books.


Was lucky enough to have the new printed cover on my book I ordered a couple of weeks ago!

I am in love with the little macbook Air!, money is a hurdle though, mmmmm what can I sell??? hehehehehe

feeze
21st October 2010, 04:29 PM
For all the people thinking the Lion is underwhelming, remember that this was a sneak peak.

It was only a demonstration of a few key 'tent-pole' features. Remember Apple only markets the really shiny things. It is no way indicative of the final product in terms of features or presentation. It has been no different with previous OS releases.

nibbles
21st October 2010, 04:40 PM
For all the people thinking the Lion is underwhelming, remember that this was a sneak peak.

It was only a demonstration of a few key 'tent-pole' features. Remember Apple only markets the really shiny things. It is no way indicative of the final product in terms of features or presentation. It has been no different with previous OS releases.

was going to say that but you beat me, not all features are mentioned

NeoRicen
21st October 2010, 05:24 PM
For all the people thinking the Lion is underwhelming, remember that this was a sneak peak.

It was only a demonstration of a few key 'tent-pole' features. Remember Apple only markets the really shiny things. It is no way indicative of the final product in terms of features or presentation. It has been no different with previous OS releases.
Definitely. A lot of the smaller Leopard features weren't shown until the June before its November release (Stacks, Quick Look, new Finder, new look menubar/dock). We've probably seen all the big features (Mission Control, Fullscreen Apps, Launchpad) but I'd wager that there's a lot of smaller under-the-hood or cosmetic changes that we haven't seen yet. Hell, we've only seen one full-screen app (Preview, iPhoto doesn't really count as it's already out and not part of the OS).

lavo
21st October 2010, 05:30 PM
Lion looks like impressive stuff for the average Joe. We take it for granted but the process of installing (and updating) an application for most people is incredibly confusing. How many people do you see with gigs worth of .dmg's in their downloads folder or running Skype off a disc image on their desktop? Not only that, but they also don't even have to worry where their applications are saved. No directories. Just do stuff.

The interwebs at the moment are full of geeks moaning about how Steve never told us about some esoteric feature they wanted, something that would concern a tiny percentage of the computing population. However for the masses, 10.7 Lion is a big shift - a fundamental simplification in computer operation.

I think Apple have had a quiet look at Ubuntu and thought the third party software installation in 10.04 and 10.10 versions of Ubuntu are actually quite neat (which they are). You can install apps in Ubuntu without worrying about repositories, required libraries or where they are installed. Just click install, and away it goes. And uninstalling is just as easy! And best of all, any updates come through the standard Ubuntu update app, not through the app itself.

Smart move by Apple :thumbup:

melbmac
21st October 2010, 05:41 PM
This update kind of works for me (us).

We have two macbooks at home as our main computers. We've been planning on a desktop for a long time, which is fine, however we also want a portable computer (more portable than the macbook). iPad isn't quite there IMO, Macbook Pro is too big/heavy/expensive. Until this morning we were debating a wintel netbook... Needless to say the new, better priced Air has solved our issues brilliantly.

ninja
21st October 2010, 06:28 PM
Is the 11inch keyboard 100% in size??

Balthazar
21st October 2010, 06:49 PM
I get the impression iWeb was a.....mistake for Apple? Released after the blog boom with no real purpose, so it missed the boat. It was probably a board of directors decision, and now Apple is stuck with this useless piece of software they have no idea what to do with. They might as well have released a "Multimedia CD" maker :(

Just the vibe I get.

Could not disagree more, There is no other wysiwyg web creators out there as easier yet powerful as iWeb (I understand iWeb is not powerful at all by many measures however i am happy with what i can create with it: www.burningbluesky.com & Domestic Goddesses Cleaning Services (http://www.domesticgoddesses.net.au)).

I was really holding out for an update to utilise html5 and more features.... oh well :-(

Shaun R
21st October 2010, 07:17 PM
They still have 5-6 months till it's released.

Uhhh, it'll be released "Summer 2011" so that's July-August 2011... (Winter for us)

gehenna
21st October 2010, 07:24 PM
Is the 11inch keyboard 100% in size??

yep

Stez
21st October 2010, 07:26 PM
Just finished up my install of iLife '11. No 64-bit. What a joke! I love iLife to death but really it should be 64.

EDIT: It's taking its sweet-ass time to upgrade my iPhoto database :l It's been at what looks like 95% for the last 10 minutes.

wholikespotatoes
21st October 2010, 07:34 PM
Is the 11inch keyboard 100% in size??

I heard the top function keys were a tad smaller

Shaun R
21st October 2010, 08:12 PM
I'm a happy camper! iLife 11 has been shipped to me already! Liking the look of the new cards and books.

Hang on, iLife '11 shipped to you already and you have it as well?! In one day?? Wow. How? (Unless I mis-interpreted your post, of course :P )

I am seriously considering purchasing iLife '11, but if I have to wait until mid next week before it arrives, that might force me to make a trip to Doncaster tomorrow... Grrr.
Oh well, I'll get to play with the new shineys! (MBA 13"/11" :P)

Shaun R
21st October 2010, 08:15 PM
Just finished up my install of iLife '11. No 64-bit. What a joke! I love iLife to death but really it should be 64.

EDIT: It's taking its sweet-ass time to upgrade my iPhoto database :l It's been at what looks like 95% for the last 10 minutes.

I heard it was 64-bit, and it was verified by Apple as being so...
See below:

Just spoke to Apple and the guy confirmed that iLife '11 is 64bit. Now it's worth upgrading.

Stez
21st October 2010, 09:51 PM
I heard it was 64-bit, and it was verified by Apple as being so...


It isn't. Proof (http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4214/screenshot20101021at105.png).

Oh, and verified by Apple doesn't mean someone on a forum posted that an employee of a store told them so. Unless Steve Jobs said it in the keynote or it is posted somewhere like Apple.com = Apple haven't verified a thing.

avolve
22nd October 2010, 04:47 AM
<snip>...there's no sync between iTunes, so it'll be another iTunes library, unlike the iPad / iPhone.


I do not see why apple can not come out with some sort of desktop-notebook sync. Why not use the experience of Time Machine and iTunes/iOS and create an app to sync two machines (for data)??

Until they sort this, having a desktop and an underpowered MBA is a pain in the rear.

I have gone back to a single machine (13" MBP), as it was a pain/not seamless, using third party apps to sync between it and an iMac

The MBA is not powerful enough as a standalone machine, though is a step above the iPad. I could see myself using an 11" for travel/in the office and the doing heavy lifting at home on an iMac/Mac Pro — as soon as they provide a means to sync (not in the cloud)...

Dust For Eyes
22nd October 2010, 06:16 AM
Looks like Facetime has a bit of a security hole (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/10/facetime-for-mac-opens-giant-apple-id-security-hole.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss).

sparky13
22nd October 2010, 06:57 AM
Apple care for laptops is cheaper.

I didn't notice that until today :) apple care for MBP 13" is now $329. Now $90 cheaper. WOOOOOO!

jbomb
22nd October 2010, 07:26 AM
$69.00 for iLife 11 :) :)

Not bad at all :)

Oldmacs
22nd October 2010, 07:27 AM
Dam,
ILife won't run on my emac I was kind of hoping that there would be g4 support(I would love to upgrade from iMovie hd 2006) This year seems to be the year of phasing out tiger and G4 as iTunes 10 needs leopard and so do all the new iPods. Toast 10 needs leopard. Think the only software apple sells that will run on g4 and tiger is iwork :)

cosmichobo
22nd October 2010, 08:11 AM
Dam,
ILife won't run on my emac I was kind of hoping that there would be g4 support(I would love to upgrade from iMovie hd 2006) This year seems to be the year of phasing out tiger and G4 as iTunes 10 needs leopard and so do all the new iPods. Toast 10 needs leopard. Think the only software apple sells that will run on g4 and tiger is iwork :)

Leopard runs on "most" eMacs... (1.0, 1.25, 1.42).

Many new items (Facetime for one) wont run on pre-Intel machines.

MagicPad wont run on pre-Intel.

The G4 is long dead in Apple's eyes. G5 too frankly, though continuing for things that directly make Apple money - ie iTunes.

Steve_D
22nd October 2010, 10:39 AM
I didn't notice that until today :) apple care for MBP 13" is now $329. Now $90 cheaper. WOOOOOO!

Yeah i happened to be in Myer yesterday and they were panicking because they just put out a catalogue with the old prices on them and now have to change their prices on the in-store stock. Meaning that customers can get them for false advertising.

I've never seen more than 1 person in the Myer "Mac Store" and yesterday there were 8 :)

Steve_D
22nd October 2010, 10:42 AM
G5 too frankly, though continuing for things that directly make Apple money - ie iTunes.

Even then Apple are making it harder to upgrade iTunes with these Macs.

Id say by iTunes 11 the G series CPU will be dopped completely from new upgrades (you will still get incremental 10.x.x upgrades but thats it).

Steve_D
22nd October 2010, 11:04 AM
One thing that i am hoping comes from this whole event is that this..

http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/LOZgosw3KtoQ3UVB.medium

Becomes the standard for all Macs or at least an option (even if it cost you $5 extra)

I love the idea of not having to worry about DVDs anymore and knowing that iLife and OSX are in the one location. Especially when you will by the looks of things be able to download the upgrades soon enough "automagically*" via the app store instead of paying for another DVD to be shipped out.




*isn't everything magic nowadays?

nibbles
22nd October 2010, 01:18 PM
Even then Apple are making it harder to upgrade iTunes with these Macs.

Id say by iTunes 11 the G series CPU will be dopped completely from new upgrades (you will still get incremental 10.x.x upgrades but thats it).

What do you mean by g series?

Steve_D
22nd October 2010, 01:58 PM
G series as in G3 G4 G5.

I should have said Power PC to halt any confusion.

nibbles
22nd October 2010, 03:19 PM
Ok, thought it was some form of intel processor because the current intel ones are i3,i5,i7. Yeah PPC will be dropped from iTunes shortly i'd imagine, better sell the old G5 before it's too late.

~Coxy
22nd October 2010, 04:30 PM
Lion looks like impressive stuff for the average Joe. We take it for granted but the process of installing (and updating) an application for most people is incredibly confusing. How many people do you see with gigs worth of .dmg's in their downloads folder or running Skype off a disc image on their desktop? Not only that, but they also don't even have to worry where their applications are saved. No directories. Just do stuff.

Sounds very very "Windows" to me.
Especially when you add "Full Screen Mode" on top of that.

Nobody knows where their files are or how the filesystem works.
Hide away all those messy .apps/.exes.
Launch your apps from the Dock/Start menu.
One app at a time in Full Screen Mode/Maximized.
All your files are stored in the Library/Recent Documents.

If anything goes wrong, call your tech support because your computer has been dumbed down so much you have no idea of the simple concepts behing the application.

Stez
22nd October 2010, 05:09 PM
Sounds very very "Windows" to me.
Especially when you add "Full Screen Mode" on top of that.

Nobody knows where their files are or how the filesystem works.
Hide away all those messy .apps/.exes.
Launch your apps from the Dock/Start menu.
One app at a time in Full Screen Mode/Maximized.
All your files are stored in the Library/Recent Documents.

If anything goes wrong, call your tech support because your computer has been dumbed down so much you have no idea of the simple concepts behing the application.

Full screen mode is nothing like Windows. Just because it is a button that does it? I have Safari in full screen, but I dragged it and it stays there. Does that make it like Windows? Full screen mode in iLife '11 gets rid of absolutely everything except the Application. Not even a dock or bar at the top. Optimised for filling the whole screen again. If anything it is copying the iPad, and I like it.

cosmichobo
22nd October 2010, 07:59 PM
The one single most frustrating thing for me, when dealing with family/friend tech support, is getting non computer savvy people to recognise that when they close a window of an open app, that doesn't necessarily close the app itself.

I've got my father finally to look for the triangles below the icon in the dock to see if the app is still open... (though, now he closes absolutely everything that he's not actively using, so wont know if there's incoming mail til he opens the app again)

I remember being astounded at my tech writing teacher in year 10, 1993, who couldn't grasp this concept. He presumably wasn't used to Multifinder.

For these types of people, an iPad type interface on a Mac would be gold...