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NeoRicen
5th June 2010, 11:27 PM
New rumour from MacGeneration (http://www.macgeneration.com/news/voir/157341/exclu-mac-os-10.6.4-et-safari-5-pour-la-wwdc) by way of 9to5Mac (http://9to5mac.com/Safari-5-34603946?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+9To5Mac-MacAllDay+%289+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence%29) saying that WWDC will see the release/announcement of Safari 5. This story lacks any mention of extensions that John Gruber hinted at (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/25/chrome-beta), but I hope both rumours are true.

New features are allegedly:
http://static.macgeneration.com/img/2010/02/skitched-20100605-110441.jpg
http://static.macgeneration.com/img/2010/02/skitched-20100605-110817.jpg

If my memory serves me well this will be the first time in quite a while that Safari is updated independent of OSX, however this could just be a Beta and the full version will come with 10.7.

Seon
6th June 2010, 10:25 AM
I doubt there will be a 10.7 for a while, and suspect that Safari 5.0 (if announced) will come independently as Apple now have too many platforms using safari (of some flavor) to lock it's updates to OS releases now.

Huy
7th June 2010, 01:57 PM
Don't forget 10.6.4 thrown in there as well. Looking forward to firing up Software Update tomorrow morning for both.

Lutze
7th June 2010, 02:59 PM
I wonder if Safari 5 is going to be based on Webkit2, it feels wrong simply because there still hasn't been a usable beta version of it yet.

It would certainly tie into the upgrade though... hmmm.

feeze
7th June 2010, 03:16 PM
I wonder if Safari 5 is going to be based on Webkit2, it feels wrong simply because there still hasn't been a usable beta version of it yet.

It would certainly tie into the upgrade though... hmmm.

I thought that too. But, unfortunately according to webkit2's wiki it is nowhere near production quality WebKit2 ? WebKit (http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit2)

Would of been nice though. (Unless Apple pulls something out of their arse) ;)

uncyherb
8th June 2010, 09:48 AM
Apple - Safari - Browse the web in smarter, more powerful ways. (http://www.apple.com/safari/)

Update with more HTML5 compatibility and the ability to interact with extensions.

---

Also available via Software Update now.

Vzzzbx
8th June 2010, 09:54 AM
Bahahahaha, the page is even broken in Safari. Whoops.

Goodbye
8th June 2010, 09:57 AM
Works fine for me?

The Fluffy Duck
8th June 2010, 10:05 AM
The brought it back the blue loading bar, Im so happy I could cry

gehenna
8th June 2010, 10:09 AM
The brought it back the blue loading bar, Im so happy I could cry

LOL I'm with you, it's the little things :)

alepro
8th June 2010, 10:33 AM
The brought it back the blue loading bar, Im so happy I could cry

+1

Let's never fight again <sniff>.

Love the reader function as well. Very handy for uncluttered reading on the 27" iMac panel.

visional_studios
8th June 2010, 11:17 AM
Features sound good, but there's one thing that stops me from using Safari... I can't type a google search directly into the address bar like in Chrome. I have to hit command + L then tab to get to it. Annoying.

Is there a plugin available somewhere that allows this? I know it's small but it's something I'm so used to in Chrome.

NORMANDY
8th June 2010, 11:17 AM
so can anyone point to a site listing all the new features? and how to access them?

gehenna
8th June 2010, 11:20 AM
Apple - Safari - Learn about the features available in Safari. (http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html)

bed
8th June 2010, 11:27 AM
Features sound good, but there's one thing that stops me from using Safari... I can't type a google search directly into the address bar like in Chrome. I have to hit command + L then tab to get to it. Annoying.

Is there a plugin available somewhere that allows this? I know it's small but it's something I'm so used to in Chrome.

If you install Glimmer Blocker (http://glimmerblocker.org/), you can then config keywords, so you could google search from the address bar with "g searchterm". You can configure your own too, I have 'w term' for our internal wiki, 'wi term' for wikipedia etc etc. You also get ad blocking.

pyrite
8th June 2010, 11:30 AM
Brilliant. So fast. Soo very happy to have the load bar back.

Reader is awesome.

pyrite
8th June 2010, 11:31 AM
Only drawback is that 1Password's Safari plugin is now broken (doesn't even appear). I'm sure they'll be quick to update :) Will be hard to live without 1P in the meantime

idiesel
8th June 2010, 11:32 AM
Found a better thread to post my thoughts....

gehenna
8th June 2010, 11:32 AM
Only drawback is that 1Password's Safari plugin is now broken (doesn't even appear). I'm sure they'll be quick to update :) Will be hard to live without 1P in the meantime

It loaded for me after a minute or two. There is already an update for 1Password by the way.

idiesel
8th June 2010, 11:34 AM
Well I have upgraded to Safari 5 already and other than some additional buttons and tabs options it doesn't seem to be a huge step forward - certainly something more a kin to a Safari 4.x upgrade rather than a 5.0

Being a recent Explorer switcher, I find in some aspects they have just caught up with IE8 with some of the intuitiveness and features that non-techy web surfers use. Mrs idiesel had a hard time switching to Safari.

I have added the Home Button, and Tab bar to make life a little easier for her

pyrite
8th June 2010, 11:38 AM
It loaded for me after a minute or two. There is already an update for 1Password by the way.

Hah thanks man I didn't even think to check for an update already... go team :)

kenexx
8th June 2010, 11:45 AM
Can anyone find the smart reader icon of which they speak on the Safari page at apple.com? :)

gehenna
8th June 2010, 11:46 AM
View a website that has text articles on it, such as The Age, SMH etc. View a specific article and the Reader icon appears in the address bar. Even just load a MacTalk blog post and it appears.

Granny Mac
8th June 2010, 11:51 AM
Reader is brilliant. Iview is faster, especially scrolling through recent additions. I also like the return of the loading bar but wish I could make it a different colour, blue makes me feel like I'm back in windows, silly I know but I really don't like windows.

kenexx
8th June 2010, 11:52 AM
Hmmm OK. I've tried that but am not having a great deal of success. I think it's probably just me. Too early yet. :p

Update!!! The reader icon is only appearing intermittently for me. When it does appear I really really like it!

ts10
8th June 2010, 11:56 AM
Progress bar is back!

wmyeoh
8th June 2010, 12:21 PM
Reader is great but it doesn't have a 100% hit rate with me yet.

For example, loading this (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/07/boycott-bp.html) page doesn't work properly.

The good news is that Glims (http://www.machangout.com/) still works well with Safari 5.

NeoRicen
8th June 2010, 12:31 PM
Top Sites as a slightly new look, I like it, though that's probably just because it's new. I like new.

EDIT:
Reader is nice, gorgeous design, but useless for blogs, since it can't pick out the article unless you click through to read the entire post, which isn't necessary for most blog posts.

That said, it's brilliant for most news sites where you usually have to click through to the article.

Tip: Command+Shift+R to activate without clicking the little icon.

Balthazar
8th June 2010, 12:51 PM
Anyone use toodledo.com having issues loading in Safari 5?

Im on Win 7 (at work) and i cant get it to sign in (page loads fine but hangs when i try to login.)

twombles_62
8th June 2010, 02:27 PM
It seems faster on Mactalk at least...

NeoRicen
8th June 2010, 02:28 PM
Every time a browser gets released they gloat about how much faster it is than the last one. This is the first time I've actually noticed it.

Balthazar
8th June 2010, 02:56 PM
What they do is release a new version at full speed then each time they release an upgrade i.e. 4.1 4.2 4.3 etc... they slow it down, sothat the next major upgrade ie 5.0 is back to 100% and seems way faster!!!

CONSPIRACY!

gehenna
8th June 2010, 02:57 PM
Gotta say 5 feels sluggish as all hell on my MBP. Lots of beachballs changing from tab to tab. Disappointing, though I am probably due for a clean OS install sometime soon.

DaveOZ
8th June 2010, 02:58 PM
Mine is 'king fast. It was slow after first updating but it seems to be getting faster as the cache builds I guess.

Japester
8th June 2010, 03:12 PM
Motherf***! I tried to install on Windows 7 and it failed. I then noticed in IE 8 that my Safari bookmarks were mixed in with my IE ones. I deleted my Safari ones. Turned to the iPad and my Safari bookmarks are now the IE ones. In other words, the bookmarks for IE were somehow connected to MobileMe and after deleting bookmarks in IE, the changes were synced. F***ed on iPhone too! I'm pissed!

I've logged out of MobileMe in the control panel. I've still got a copy of the bookmarks at home on two machines that aren't currently online. What should I do to preserve them so that I can update MobileMe and thus my iDevices?

gehenna
8th June 2010, 03:13 PM
I'd export them to a bookmarks.html file so that if they do get screwed up you can resync across all devices with the one export file. Pain though, seems like during the corrupted install phase it pre-checked the "import settings from ie" option that sometimes appears.

Vzzzbx
8th June 2010, 03:26 PM
Anything that blocks ads is fantastic. That reader function has win written all over it.

Japester
8th June 2010, 03:28 PM
I'd export them to a bookmarks.html file so that if they do get screwed up you can resync across all devices with the one export file. Pain though, seems like during the corrupted install phase it pre-checked the "import settings from ie" option that sometimes appears.

I've now miraculously installed Safari and bugger me if my bookmarks aren't back! I'm logged out of MobileMe on the PC, so they haven't been synced. I was wondering how to preserve a copy before logging in. Does anyone know where the Safari bookmarks are stored on Windows?

nike1
8th June 2010, 03:48 PM
ive had to download the 10.6.3 update before hand.. lol..
totallt forgot about it (ive only had my laptop a month or so)
anyway, looking forward to using safari 5

Japester
8th June 2010, 03:53 PM
I found my bookmarks plist buried in the system. Backed it up, changed MobileMe sync settings to manual, changed the bookmarks source from IE to Safari, set the content warning to All Changes and synced. Replaced bookmarks on MobileMe, refreshed down to iPad and iPhone. Phew!

I had a bad installation of Safari and it was not installed insofar as MobileMe was concerned. Therefore its only choice to sync from was IE. That's how my Safari bookmarks got mixed in with IE. Something for PC users to watch out for (I'm glad all my personal computers are Macs running Safari only).

Renoman
8th June 2010, 04:51 PM
Holy crap in a bucket thats fast! Never seen such a difference in a browser before!

And Yay!!!!!!! for the progress bar's return :p About freaking time and its nice to see they can admit a mistake!

Would love to see the Firefox feature of when you highlight a word on a page and choose to google it, it opens a new tab instead of doing it in the same window.

nibbles
8th June 2010, 04:59 PM
Holy crap in a bucket thats fast! Never seen such a difference in a browser before!

And Yay!!!!!!! for the progress bar's return :p About freaking time and its nice to see they can admit a mistake!

Would love to see the Firefox feature of when you highlight a word on a page and choose to google it, it opens a new tab instead of doing it in the same window.

I did miss it but with the return I am now thinking that they could have changed the blue a bit maybe to a darker 10.5/10.6 style rather than 10.4 Style. As for speed i'm not sure, it doesn't seem much faster.

mrbolano
8th June 2010, 05:04 PM
Features sound good, but there's one thing that stops me from using Safari... I can't type a google search directly into the address bar like in Chrome. I have to hit command + L then tab to get to it. Annoying.

Is there a plugin available somewhere that allows this? I know it's small but it's something I'm so used to in Chrome.

This is a deal breakers for me too. I hate going from Firefox to Safari and not being able to type a search in the address bar. It's a small thing - but its how I work.

gehenna
8th June 2010, 05:06 PM
Seriously? It's one extra keypress to tab from address bar to search bar....?

TJA77
8th June 2010, 05:22 PM
haha Apple fanatics - by far the hardest crowd to please

ada_lovelace
8th June 2010, 05:50 PM
Turning on private browsing now shows a big 'PRIVATE' in the address bar...

GeoffP
8th June 2010, 06:06 PM
Is there a full screen viewing mode?? Can't seem to find it.

banjo
8th June 2010, 06:19 PM
Is there a full screen viewing mode?? Can't seem to find it.

Only for videos.

gehenna
8th June 2010, 06:19 PM
Is there a full screen viewing mode?? Can't seem to find it.

read about 24 or 25 posts back :)

idiesel
8th June 2010, 06:50 PM
Like you Gehenna, I've noticed a considerable slowdown in web pages being constructed. What was pretty quick under Safari 4.x, it's taking a whole lot longer under Safari 5

Reader seems to be a bit hit and miss, some pages showing the whole text others only a couple of paragraphs...very unApple IMO

BeePee
8th June 2010, 06:56 PM
Loaded 5 early this morning, definitely quicker, and its a step forward.

GeoffP
8th June 2010, 06:58 PM
Only for videos.

Geeeez,
It can't be that hard to put a full screen option in.
Time to uninstall Safari 5.

tcimac
8th June 2010, 07:30 PM
Does anyone know of a plugin (or similar) that will allow me to view only the favicon of my bookmarks in the Bookmarks Bar (doesn't look like a feature in version 5). Just like I can in Firefox & Chrome

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/tcimac/Picture1-1.png

Balthazar
8th June 2010, 09:35 PM
Mt wife had issues on westpac.com.au with safari 5 tonight. Every link was opening in a new tab rather than the same tab.

Anyone else?

huntere
8th June 2010, 10:21 PM
Mt wife had issues on westpac.com.au with safari 5 tonight. Every link was opening in a new tab rather than the same tab.

Anyone else?

Just checked Westpac and fine with me.

eBay is painfully slow - anyone else?

idiesel
8th June 2010, 11:04 PM
Mt wife had issues on westpac.com.au with safari 5 tonight. Every link was opening in a new tab rather than the same tab.

What are your settings under Safari>Preferences>Tabs ?

Balthazar
9th June 2010, 05:23 AM
What are your settings under Safari>Preferences>Tabs ?

Yeah, checked that. It is set to open links in new tabs rather than new windows but flicking this off doesn't help. For some reason every link was creating a new tab rarer than just loading in the same tab... Ended up with about 15 tabs within 2 minutes.

Vzzzbx
9th June 2010, 07:08 AM
If anyone's interested, here are some reader-like plugins for other browsers:

Readability for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/46442/)
Readability Redux for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/jggheggpdocamneaacmfoipeehedigia?hl=en)

banjo
9th June 2010, 10:28 AM
If anyone's interested, here are some reader-like plugins for other browsers:

Readability for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/46442/)
Readability Redux for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/jggheggpdocamneaacmfoipeehedigia?hl=en)

Or you can just add the Readability bookmarklet (http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/) to your bookmarks bar. Which reminds me, now I can get rid of it.

NeoRicen
9th June 2010, 11:27 AM
Yeah, checked that. It is set to open links in new tabs rather than new windows but flicking this off doesn't help. For some reason every link was creating a new tab rarer than just loading in the same tab... Ended up with about 15 tabs within 2 minutes.
She wasn't holding down the Command key was she?

Lutze
9th June 2010, 12:02 PM
Got to say that I'm really enjoying the Reader function.

The fact that it merges multiple page articles into one is brilliant and makes Safari 5 worth the upgrade alone for me... even if I had to pay for it!

wmyeoh
9th June 2010, 12:40 PM
Geeeez,
It can't be that hard to put a full screen option in.
Time to uninstall Safari 5.

Install Glims (http://www.machangout.com/) and you can do it.

http://img.skitch.com/20100609-dy77mt5cs7p3dk4gcsfgrjfa75.jpg

Mike Sprawson
9th June 2010, 12:41 PM
Yeah, checked that. It is set to open links in new tabs rather than new windows but flicking this off doesn't help. For some reason every link was creating a new tab rarer than just loading in the same tab... Ended up with about 15 tabs within 2 minutes.

Select between 1 of 3 choices, eg,

Safari>Preferences>Tabs> then where you read;

Open pages in tabs instead of windows: select, Never.

And below this (in Preferences), are directions on how to over-ride your choice, without going back into Safari Preferences.

Cheers

stab
9th June 2010, 04:12 PM
I'd heard Glims wasn't working with Safari 5.

Anyone experienced problems using Glims?

wmyeoh
9th June 2010, 04:34 PM
I'd heard Glims wasn't working with Safari 5.

Anyone experienced problems using Glims?

Works fine for me. Didn't need to reinstall it - it was ready to go once I updated.