PDA

View Full Version : iPhone 4G/HD leaked?



Pages : [1] 2

jack112006
18th April 2010, 12:50 PM
Need I say more? (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/17/iphone-4g-is-this-it/) This seems pretty legit. The design seems like a bit of a letdown if it is the real deal, and I won't be moving up from my 3GS if this is the HD.

kevinnugent
18th April 2010, 12:57 PM
Hmmm. I like the look of it... Although it's more like a Sony Ericsson design than Ives. We will see I guess.

Lutze
18th April 2010, 01:03 PM
Hmmm. I like the look of it... Although it's more like a Sony Ericsson design than Ives. We will see I guess.

The newer Nokia's look similar as well. Not an Ive product.... though, there is not much stopping Apple putting the guts together and throwing it into another case for "real world testing".

I'd like to know what the AT&T complaints are like for that area... a lot of people complain that iPhones don't get the reception that other phones get. If AT&T data shows that's the case then they might be saying to Apple - "Hey, guys, your brand is giving our brand a bad name... do something about it please?"

Keving
18th April 2010, 01:08 PM
Looks like a prototype device, doubt it's the final design.

NathR32
18th April 2010, 01:12 PM
Ooh I don't mind that actually. Love the aluminum edging.

Most of the Chinese leaks have turned out to be pretty close to the real thing in the past.

Lutze
18th April 2010, 01:13 PM
Looks like a prototype device, doubt it's the final design.

As has been pointed out in the comments on 9to5mac. It's got an FCC approval sticker on it. If it's Apple's and they don't have FCC approval then they are going to be getting a big slap and a big fine.

The FCC have not been particularly accommodating to Apple's wishes recently. Part of the reason for the delay with the 3G iPad is, FCC approval.

ipwn
18th April 2010, 01:13 PM
A few things come to mind when I see this.

Pros

1. Shape of the new design allows battery to be bigger and offset to the side
2. sim card slot on other side and seems to be a micro sim, this explains apple getting telcos ready via the iPad
3. front facing camera confirms it could be possible.

Cons
3. Would apple change the design away form the current form?
4. are they really going for the enterprise look?


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3382/679493384f45ba94ecdb0f9.jpg

imacattack
18th April 2010, 01:14 PM
That's a fake look closer at the back of the phone it appears to be made of wood I can see the wood grain of the wood coming through the paint or what ever they used.

Also wouldn't you think that Apple would be trying everything to get that back into there hands asap if it were the real deal ?

Lutze
18th April 2010, 01:16 PM
Something that's amusing is the lack of scale.

We can't tell if it's smaller or larger, thinner or thicker than the current model.

NathR32
18th April 2010, 01:20 PM
3. Would apple change the design away form the current form?

Why would Apple NOT change the design away from the current form? It has been the same design/form factor for several years now, and they need to change to stay in the game.
The photo does look like it is a prototype. The real model would hopefully employ the same unibody design features that the MacBooks have, ie no seams etc.

imacattack
18th April 2010, 01:24 PM
Why would Apple NOT change the design away from the current form? It has been the same design/form factor for several years now, and they need to change to stay in the game.
The photo does look like it is a prototype. The real model would hopefully employ the same unibody design features that the MacBooks have, ie no seams etc.

That is what I am hoping for my new iPhone to match my iMac & MacbookPro :D

ipwn
18th April 2010, 01:28 PM
Why would Apple NOT change the design away from the current form? It has been the same design/form factor for several years now, and they need to change to stay in the game.
The photo does look like it is a prototype. The real model would hopefully employ the same unibody design features that the MacBooks have, ie no seams etc.

True, It does have the new iMac feel.

lets assume the back plate is just temporary and the actual iPhone was seamless with a nice aluminium back.

NathR32
18th April 2010, 01:41 PM
I'm happy with just the edging to be aluminum like the pictures above. I'm not sure if they can go back to an aluminum back without having reception issues like the iPhone 2G.
Here's hoping though!

ipwn
18th April 2010, 01:58 PM
Something that's amusing is the lack of scale.

We can't tell if it's smaller or larger, thinner or thicker than the current model.

Assuming the following are the right size.

Headphone socket, Sim Slot and Dock Connector.

Its going to be pretty close to the current model, possible a little bit taller.

Bogus Jimmy
18th April 2010, 02:04 PM
I'm skeptical but if it's true then I won't be disappointed by the look, as long as the improved res and camera are true.

The "won't boot" part seems a bit iffy...

NathR32
18th April 2010, 02:06 PM
Did anyone see the below picture late 2009? Can't seem to remember seeing it on here at all. Last time chinaontrade had an internal part for the next iphone before it was released (http://gizmodo.com/5271696/next+generation-iphone-3g-parts-revealed-by-chinese-wholesaler), they were right.
http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/iphone-4g-midboard-june-2010.jpg

nibbles
18th April 2010, 02:13 PM
I very much doubt that is it, it looks to clunky for a product designed by apple and the back on them probably wouldn't have all the serial number and everything on it nor would it have xxGB

gehenna
18th April 2010, 02:22 PM
probably wouldn't have all the serial number and everything on it nor would it have xxGB

What's your basis for this assumption?

sleek881
18th April 2010, 02:25 PM
I was hoping the screen would look something like this

http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg

gehenna
18th April 2010, 02:39 PM
I was hoping the screen would look something like this

http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg

Yep that's sexy alright!

TheKeddi
18th April 2010, 02:47 PM
I was hoping the screen would look something like this

http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg


Ohhh I like that one WAAAAYYYY better!! I would upgrade tomorrow!!!

gareth
18th April 2010, 03:05 PM
Johnny wouldn't design that. i call it fake.

NeoRicen
18th April 2010, 03:07 PM
Hmm, not sure what to make of this. The thing that jumps out at me the most is those seams on the top and side, not something Apple would allow in their designs these days.

On the other had, I don't want to jump up and down screaming "fake!" because leaks like this have happened in the past. Just look at this picture:
http://altmedia.macobserver.com/tmo_media/article/2008/04/20080403iphoneback.png

That picture is from two months before the iPhone 3G was revealed.

Also, remember this thread I posted after the 3G was revealed:
http://forums.mactalk.com.au/31/43791-were-fake-were-real.html

For every one of those leaks people said the same things. "Fake", "Ugly", "Apple would never design that".

tcn33
18th April 2010, 03:20 PM
It's about as real as any of these turned out to be.

Leaked iPhone Nano images? | iPhonefreak (http://www.iphonefreak.com/2008/12/leaked-iphone-nano-images.html)
iPhone Rumors: Leaked iPhone 2.0 photos reveal front facing Camera for iChat, Thinner and Smaller iPhone - iPhone Hacks (http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/06/iphone-2-rumors.html)
Exclusive Leaked Images of iPhone Nano (http://www.sizlopedia.com/2007/10/29/exclusive-leaked-real-images-of-iphone-nano/)
Next Gen iPhone – Leaked Photos (http://www.gadgetvenue.com/next-gen-iphone-leaked-photos-02133033/)
Next-Generation iPhone 4G: Leaked Photo? (http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2009/04/iphone-4g-leaked-photo.html)

Which is to say, not very.

mattydee
18th April 2010, 04:17 PM
imagine taking it to the apple campus, walking up to the receptionist on the front counter "i think i've found a iphone prototype in a bar" and watch as they all go mental.

i would say that they would look after you quite well with apple products and a big fat NDA, but only after steve interrogates you about where you found it. :P

imacattack
18th April 2010, 04:35 PM
I am hoping to see this design for the new iPhone 4G/HD it goes with the current iMac & Macbook range :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/AussieHolden/iphone-pro.jpg

NeoRicen
18th April 2010, 04:37 PM
It's about as real as any of these turned out to be.

Leaked iPhone Nano images? | iPhonefreak (http://www.iphonefreak.com/2008/12/leaked-iphone-nano-images.html)
iPhone Rumors: Leaked iPhone 2.0 photos reveal front facing Camera for iChat, Thinner and Smaller iPhone - iPhone Hacks (http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/06/iphone-2-rumors.html)
Exclusive Leaked Images of iPhone Nano (http://www.sizlopedia.com/2007/10/29/exclusive-leaked-real-images-of-iphone-nano/)
Next Gen iPhone – Leaked Photos (http://www.gadgetvenue.com/next-gen-iphone-leaked-photos-02133033/)
Next-Generation iPhone 4G: Leaked Photo? (http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2009/04/iphone-4g-leaked-photo.html)

Which is to say, not very.
You're conveniently forgetting every correct leak:
-3G Nano
-4G Nano
-5G Nano (cases)
-iPhone 3G
-iPhone 3GS (matte finish, but had white text and correct model number, obviously early prototype)
-Unibody MacBook Pros (last minute)
-iPad (last minute, held in something so all but screen & software concealed)
-Aluminium keyboard
-Nagic mouse (just shape, via FCC)

As much as they'd like to be, Apple is not leak proof.

Note: None of that means this particular leak is legit, in fact it is quite suspect in many ways, but after all these years you cannot simply dismiss everything as a fake, since many have been real.

Anthonyw
18th April 2010, 04:40 PM
The thing i find interesting from the engadget post is the back looks like glass aswell. I hope it is, how good would it be for games (touch on the back instead of on the screen for some buttons) and for reading (scroll on the back rather than where you are reading). Anyway, can only hope...

(Love both the mockups posted, they would rock!)

iCantwait
18th April 2010, 04:41 PM
Okay - Remember the prototype iPhone 2g that came up on ebay? Remember what it was missing? It was missing the name 'iPhone'.

I got my hands on one myself and it too was missing 'iPhone' from the back (S/N was dec 2006)

This so called iPhone is lacking the traditional red logic board found on prototypes

But hell, maybe its the iPhone stolen from the factory that caused the dude to jump out a window

Joey1983
18th April 2010, 05:32 PM
Doesn't look like it'll fit in my TomTom Cradle :(
Hoping the form factor doesn't change too dramatically.

tcn33
18th April 2010, 05:41 PM
You're conveniently forgetting every correct leak:


And you are conveniently forgetting that every correct leak, with rare exception (if any - I can't think of one) has one or more of the following characteristics:

- happens very close to launch,
- depicts only a part (usually from a Chinese OEM), or
- comes from a case manufacturer and therefore only provides hints of the shape/characteristics.

The only leak you mention that's even similar is the iPad, and that was last minute and had identifying stickers all over it... and oh yeah, was bolted to something immovable.

idiesel
18th April 2010, 07:04 PM
Cons
3. Would apple change the design away form the current form?
4. are they really going for the enterprise look?

I think a bit of differentiation for the Enterprise market is a good thing

NeoRicen
18th April 2010, 07:23 PM
And you are conveniently forgetting that every correct leak, with rare exception (if any - I can't think of one) has one or more of the following characteristics:

- happens very close to launch,
- depicts only a part (usually from a Chinese OEM), or
- comes from a case manufacturer and therefore only provides hints of the shape/characteristics.

The only leak you mention that's even similar is the iPad, and that was last minute and had identifying stickers all over it... and oh yeah, was bolted to something immovable.
As I already posted the iPhone 3G was leaked in April of 2008. This isn't completely unknown.

The iPad is a bit of a grey area since that was two months before release also, but it was the day before the presentation. I'm not sure if that's relevant (as in, was the iPad leak one from backstage?) but there you go.

iJohn
18th April 2010, 08:02 PM
All leaks look good

tcn33
18th April 2010, 08:20 PM
As I already posted the iPhone 3G was leaked in April of 2008. This isn't completely unknown.
And as I already posted that was a part, i.e the back casing. There have been no leaks I've ever heard of that were fully operational prototypes, off the Apple campus and devoid of identifying marks.

Nobody's saying all leaks are crap. This one is though.

yagankiely
18th April 2010, 09:22 PM
THAT'S THE UGLIEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN.

Apologies, but caps was required. Carry on as usual.

iMic
18th April 2010, 09:41 PM
If it's not an Apple product, and unless it's an incredible fake then it most certainly would be, then I want to know what it is. I really like the look of that, a lot.

If it did end up being an Apple product well... even better.

The XX's if I recall were a common designation of EVT or DVT internal Apple products (more commonly known as prototypes). That said, anyone can slap some letter X's on something, so who knows. Be interesting to see how this one plays out.

midnightcowboy
18th April 2010, 10:43 PM
Looks pretty legit. Remember the leaked iPad photos, there was an iPhone prototype visible on one of the pictures:

Last-Minute iPad Photo Leak Reportedly Included Image of Prototype Next-Generation iPhone - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/02/last-minute-ipad-photo-leak-reportedly-included-image-of-prototype-next-generation-iphone/)

Looks very similar to the new leaks, form factor, front-facing cam etc.

Exocet
18th April 2010, 10:48 PM
Andy Ihnatko's Celestial Waste of Bandwidth (BETA) » The Miraculous Mysterious Engadget iPhone 4G (http://ihnatko.com/2010/04/18/the-miraculous-mysterious-engadget-iphone-4g/)

iTy
18th April 2010, 10:51 PM
I was hoping the screen would look something like this

http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg

I hope that it looks like this. I'd probably update if it does

davidw89
18th April 2010, 10:58 PM
I was hoping the screen would look something like this

http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg

This one looks more like something Apple would design. Screen size will be bigger no doubt, slimmer, sexier, curvy, aluminium! Even the iSight camera is not as noticable!

Lutze
19th April 2010, 12:51 AM
Japanese fake. As per macrumors.

yagankiely
19th April 2010, 01:23 AM
iPhoneHD is a Japanese clone | 9 to 5 Mac (http://www.9to5mac.com/iPhone-HD-japanese-40895237)

NILcorp
19th April 2010, 01:28 AM
This is the design I want:
<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0nDd7A4BAYc&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0nDd7A4BAYc&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

Make one of these and you've just got yourself a customer...

*Drool*

wholikespotatoes
19th April 2010, 01:39 AM
Thank god.
Far too Sony Ericsson for me.

Really the telltale sign that a leak is genuine is when Apple go on a legal rampage to pull all images off the interwebz. In this situation... they did not.

Lutze
19th April 2010, 01:46 AM
Make one of these and you've just got yourself a customer...

*Drool*

Too many angles. The rounded rectangle is the Apple way.

NILcorp
19th April 2010, 02:09 AM
Too many angles. The rounded rectangle is the Apple way.

Magic Mouse design is the new Apple way, perhaps?

wholikespotatoes
19th April 2010, 02:19 AM
Personally I really don't like the 'wings' in the design above.

The new design will not be as drastic as that mock-up.

tcn33
19th April 2010, 07:12 AM
Looks pretty legit. Remember the leaked iPad photos, there was an iPhone prototype visible on one of the pictures

Engadget are running with this as "proof" that the leak is real.

iPhone 4G: proof -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof)

I'm still skeptical (especially given the knockoff phone Ihnatko posted) but slightly less so. I suppose it's possible that the knockoff was rushed to market by someone familiar with what the next iPhone was going to look like.

jack112006
19th April 2010, 07:20 AM
Engadget hits back! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/) I have to say that this is looking more and more convincing by the hour. The fact that it has turned up in what was one of the few real leaked pictures of an iPad makes me believe that that this has to be the real deal. Regardless, I am still not buying that phone. I want my hands to remain smooth and not scarred by all those sharp edges.

For everyones convenience, I have embedded Engadget's photo with a clear pointer to the new iPhone:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/iphone4gipadproof2.jpg

For those wondering, the apparent leaked iPhone HD is in the UPPER RIGHT CORNER. Not on the iPad.

Geoff3DMN
19th April 2010, 07:28 AM
If that is the new shape then I find it... uninspiring.

I'm sure it's got better/more features and better specs but Apple have always been firstly about design, secondly about ease of use and only after that about specs.

A phone that shape phone is what I'd expect from HTC (probably won't stop me buying one but I'd definitely wait until end of contract this time).

tom5955
19th April 2010, 10:59 AM
I'm looking at that thing and thinking i'll stay with my 3G if thats what is released. its got to be one of the ugliest phones i've ever seen.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 11:20 AM
Removable back plate?

Replaceable Battery...?

Goes against Apple's latest trend of taking away removeable batteries from MB's but it would answer a big complaint from users and they are in the habit of doing this lately (Multi-Tasking anyone?)

MissionMan
19th April 2010, 11:53 AM
Its probably not the original casing. Apple has a history of using temporary casing for prototypes and only adding the final casing on release.

Lutze
19th April 2010, 11:56 AM
Its probably not the original casing. Apple has a history of using temporary casing for prototypes and only adding the final casing on release.

Only problem is that when they do... it's a red PCB inside that casing. This doesn't have that.

The biggest bit of damming evidence is - the picture is still all over the web. Gizmodo have not been visited by the Apple Ninjas.

forno
19th April 2010, 11:59 AM
The pics of the "losti Phone" sure look like the pics of the phone next to the iPad prototype, BUT that doesnt mean its an apple product does it, simply that ist in a photo next to an iPad proto!

Beau
19th April 2010, 12:13 PM
Only problem is that when they do... it's a red PCB inside that casing. This doesn't have that.

The biggest bit of damming evidence is - the picture is still all over the web. Gizmodo have not been visited by the Apple Ninjas.

Well, what do you think would happen if the men in black started taking action?
Confirmed legit. ;)

So it's better to keep quiet than to take action and blow your cover.

My 2c

imacattack
19th April 2010, 12:16 PM
It's now in the news at news.com.au

Apple's iPhone 4G 'found on bar floor' (http://www.news.com.au/technology/apples-iphone-4g-found-on-bar-floor/story-e6frfro0-1225855322237)

Lutze
19th April 2010, 12:18 PM
Well, what do you think would happen if the men in black started taking action?
Confirmed legit. ;)

So it's better to keep quiet than to take action and blow your cover.

My 2c

I can see where you are going with that... I also think that it's surprising that the rightful owner hasn't requested the hardware back.

I'm expecting things to happen quietly over the next few days. The device will be picked up by some lawyer from Apple saying that they want to try to find out who is copying their work... and the site will quietly say nothing further about this until a few hours before the new iPhone is dropped and they get an exclusive Steve interview.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 12:24 PM
It's now in the news at news.com.au

Apple's iPhone 4G 'found on bar floor' (http://www.news.com.au/technology/apples-iphone-4g-found-on-bar-floor/story-e6frfro0-1225855322237)

Uggghhh,

Give it 5 minutes and that post will be populated by comments from the Neanderthal’s who visit that site (mactalk users excepted)

Beau
19th April 2010, 12:26 PM
And they've linked to this 'nobody' site which says that 'Apple' have confirmed 4G as fake. Latest Iphone 4G Release Date and Fake Picture leak | Buzz Biz News (http://bgil.es/bg)

ugh.

NeoRicen
19th April 2010, 12:31 PM
Personally, I really really like the design. I don't think the photos are too flattering (flash on the camera makes aluminium look like sparkly plastic), the 'TwitPic' photos are much more flattering:
http://freshbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/iphone4G2.jpg
The bottom centre image looks much more like part of the Apple family that the current design, and you could put it side by side with an iPad and it wouldn't look out of place.

I like how the phone is now flat on both sides. I don't like how the 3G and 3GS have curved backs. I also like how the silver bezel is gone and the screen goes much closer to the edge of the device. I also love that aluminium is making its way back into the design, unfortunately it well never cover the entire back, simply because it affects signal too much.

The only thing I'm not a big fan of is the shape of the buttons. The circles do look a little cheap/other brand-ish.

Removable back plate?

Replaceable Battery...?

Goes against Apple's latest trend of taking away removeable batteries from MB's but it would answer a big complaint from users and they are in the habit of doing this lately (Multi-Tasking anyone?)
There's no replaceable battery and there's no removable back plate in these images. At least not user replaceable. It's not like the iPhone 3GS is impossible to pull apart, it has to be accessible in some way, otherwise it would be impossible to make, or repair. Just look at the pictures, there's no levers, buttons, switches or anything to indicate the user can easily replace the battery or remove the back case. Just because the back case is off is no more an indicator of the iPhone having user replaceable parts than any of the images on iFixit of any Apple product.

Thank god.
Far too Sony Ericsson for me.

Really the telltale sign that a leak is genuine is when Apple go on a legal rampage to pull all images off the interwebz. In this situation... they did not.
What is this? 2006? When's the last time Apple legal asked a site to pull a leaked photo? It hasn't happened in years. I don't even think they have the legal right to request sites to pull photos of things that weren't taken by them.

The last time I can remember this happening is of the 3rd generation nano, where they asked sites to pull an image of a photoshop document depicting the new design. Since then many many many Apple products have been leaked photographically without any word from Apple legal. In fact, it's attitudes like yours that probably stopped the practice, since all they were doing is confirming the leak. The best thing to do is stay silent.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 12:37 PM
There's no replaceable battery and there's no removable back plate in these images. At least not user replaceable. It's not like the iPhone 3GS is impossible to pull apart, it has to be accessible in some way, otherwise it would be impossible to make, or repair. Just look at the pictures, there's no levers, buttons, switches or anything to indicate the user can easily replace the battery or remove the back case. Just because the back case is off is no more an indicator of the iPhone having user replaceable parts than any of the images on iFixit of any Apple product.


I think i worded my post all wrong,

I was making more of a possible suggestion rather than commenting on the pictures.

I don't think there will be a replaceable battery, just wish there was!

NeoRicen
19th April 2010, 12:45 PM
I think i worded my post all wrong,

I was making more of a possible suggestion rather than commenting on the pictures.

I don't think there will be a replaceable battery, just wish there was!
I'm not sure I agree with that. It appears that not having to make it accessible to the user means they've been able to arrange the internals in a way that lets them make the battery much bigger. I know I, and I'm betting most users, would prefer a longer life non-removable battery, than a short lived replaceable one, especially since the vast majority of users never replace the battery.

"Long Lasting Battery" sounds much better than "Buy Loads of Batteries and Change The Battery When It Runs Out".

It's a better approach IMO from both a marketing and UX point of view.

yagankiely
19th April 2010, 12:51 PM
I just can't get over those circular volume buttons on the side they are so… out of character.

tcn33
19th April 2010, 12:51 PM
Curiouser and curiouser.

Daring Fireball Linked List: 2006 Apple Patent for Ceramic Enclosures (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/04/18/apple-ceramic-patent)

NeoRicen
19th April 2010, 12:58 PM
Curiouser and curiouser.

Daring Fireball Linked List: 2006 Apple Patent for Ceramic Enclosures (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/04/18/apple-ceramic-patent)
I still don't get this glass back rumour. What's it for? Is it so it can be used as a touch sensitive surface? Is it really much better than plastic? Seems a little odd to use such a material without a really good reason.

Fedgrub
19th April 2010, 12:59 PM
Looks nice, but not AS nice as the current design.

tcn33
19th April 2010, 01:00 PM
Probably just to shut up everyone who whines about it being plastic*.

* note for the humour impaired: this is a joke.

MissionMan
19th April 2010, 01:06 PM
It would solve some of the cracking issues they have been experiencing though around the silent switch

ipwn
19th April 2010, 01:40 PM
The question is!

If it's a Japanese Clone, Then don't they need to clone it from something original?

MissionMan
19th April 2010, 01:41 PM
The question is!

If it's a Japanese Clone, Then don't they need to clone it from something original?

Nah, they meant a Japanese iphone 3G clone.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 01:41 PM
Probably just to shut up everyone who whines about it being plastic*.

* note for the humour impaired: this is a joke.

All jokes aside, it would be nice to have a scratch resistant* aluminium or similar metal back enclosure to match the style of the iPad.

I am 100% convinced they will be doing this for iPhone 4G/HD <--- terrible name


(*very important)

Lutze
19th April 2010, 01:44 PM
All jokes aside, it would be nice to have a scratch resistant* aluminium or similar metal back enclosure to match the style of the iPad.

I am 100% convinced they will be doing this for iPhone 4G/HD <--- terrible name


(*very important)

I owned a v1 iPhone. It has an aluminium back. It is by no means scratch resistant.

Ceramics are certainly very tough, however, aren't they also extremely brittle?

Metal backs are not very good for RF signals (like you'd expect a mobile phone to use...) that's why Apple moved away from them for the iPhone. The iPad is different simply because they have more physical room to put stuff in.

forno
19th April 2010, 01:46 PM
Wasnt there speculation of touch sensitive backs on the iPad for "modifiers"

Mickytk
19th April 2010, 01:49 PM
Wasnt there speculation of touch sensitive backs on the iPad for "modifiers"

That'd probably be a bit of a step backwards as far as usability goes - you'd have to be careful with how you hold it in your hand so that you didnt accidently modify your inputs.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 02:08 PM
Unless you invoked those gestures with a side of body hardware button... maybe a round one... ?

Anthonyw
19th April 2010, 07:19 PM
Just tossing this out there....

The break around the headphone jack is unusual and probably just because it's fake/prototype.

But could it be a shoulder button, maybe for games, maybe to invoke back gestures. Probably moving too far away from the iPhone simplicity? But with game centre and the focus on gaming the iPhone needs something more

eddieaus
19th April 2010, 07:41 PM
removable bartty, finally.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2010/04/18/233129-iphone%204g_500.jpg

NeoRicen
19th April 2010, 08:08 PM
removable bartty, finally.
Still doesn't look user replaceable, just easier access for Geniuses etc.

Balthazar
19th April 2010, 08:28 PM
Perhaps its just the allure of rumour & speculation but this interests me so much more than the iPad!

midnightcowboy
19th April 2010, 08:40 PM
The only reason for a removable battery I can imagine is that Apple wants more marketshare in the business sector where this might be an issue. But certainly a surprising change in strategy. Doesn't mean anything for the final product though, for the iPad and iPod nano they also did a last minute change and dumped the front-facing camera.

Personally I like the new design with glass/ceramic front and back. Looks clean and cool. But I don't need a removable battery.
The main reason for the back plate (apart from design) certainly is that it's radio-transparent which should result in good signal quality.

Bogus Jimmy
19th April 2010, 09:09 PM
Maybe I've got iPhone on the brain but this looks a lot like the "leaked" iPhone

http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2010/04/new-nüvi-3700-series-redefines-look-and-feel-of-personal-navigation-.html

DazR6
19th April 2010, 09:46 PM
I certainly hope it looks way better then either one of these! Sorry they're ugly.

Stez
19th April 2010, 09:55 PM
Am I the only one that likes this design? Think about it, the iPhone is way to thin for a 5MP camera, double res display, and front facing camera. They needed to make these things a little thinner, and I'm assuming the iPod Touch will follow suit and get a camera aswell, because as we know the thing was just to damn thin to get a decent camera.

amstrad_mac
19th April 2010, 09:56 PM
I like this design..

Just hope Optus has some upgrade your iphone for current contracted customers like last year...

Stez
19th April 2010, 10:05 PM
Oh, and this puts it beyond doubt Last Minute Leaked Photos of Apple Tablet? [Updated] - Mac Rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/27/last-minute-leaked-photos-of-apple-tablet/). I remember reading this article right before iPad announcement. This was the leaked photo. But, look at the iPhone on the iPad and the one on the top right. They look exactly like these new images. The iPad in the photo turned out to be real, so I'm gonna go with saying this is the new iPhone, and I want one! Engadget have shown this photo already but with their added arrows, and it's a brand new article, but this is the original article, before even the iPad was announced, and how the hell did nobody pick up the iPhone in the top right before these rumours started?

Rant
20th April 2010, 01:00 AM
This is just the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Has Jon Ive moved on? Anyone checked his LinkedIn page?

And the replaceable battery should be a dead giveaway. If you've ever seen an iPhone copy, they're all just like that. Their owners even call them iPhones and wouldn't know a real one if they fell over it. Whoever put these in the iPad photos probably did it for a joke.

What's clear is that the current iPhone design is looking very dated. HTC are making much nice looking phones now. Apple need to take the lead again, but they won't with this sad act.

At least this one looks better. I'd dearly love it lighter, thinner and a larger screen, but if the iPad design is anything to go by, we'll be getting the same old (very old) look from Apple again this year.
http://img.skitch.com/20100418-prgq9gh2bf8bnf8b2h3cyf96gi.jpg

Would it kill to make a black bezel? [Colorware just looks awful and to get an iPad coloured is US$400, almost the price of the device!]

Lutze
20th April 2010, 01:11 AM
Well... Gizmodo are going balls out on this now.

They have got hold of the phone themselves - taken it apart and found lots of APPLE items. It's a VERY snug fit and they are now 100% certain that this is the next gen iPhone.

I'm pretty sure we're going to see someone fall from a building or have a swimming accident pretty soon.

It's that or... this is Apple doing one of their sneaky PR stunts that have everyone saying "Hey, I was going to get this cool new Android phone... but having seen the new iPhone prototype... I think I'll wait."

The pictures that Gizmodo have published are 1000% better than those we saw this morning.

Take a look for yourselves. http://gizmodo.com/5520164/

iMic
20th April 2010, 01:26 AM
The Gizmodo photos really give a closer look at just what this thing really is, and it looks impressive. Sleek, classy and professional, at the same time appearing to be a lot less plasticy than current models. (I know i'm just repeating what Jason Chen writes, but that's the impression I had right off the bat anyway) I love my 3G, but its design is starting to feel somewhat dated and inconsistent with the rest of Apple's new product lineup, so this would be a nice change if it comes true.

So my contract runs out this year and if this is what we're getting, sign me up. :D

Lutze
20th April 2010, 01:45 AM
Mr. Gruber (http://daringfireball.net/) has posted about this as well now - with words that would certainly send a chill up the spine of any editor.

"Apple considers this unit stolen, not lost."

So, Gizmodo are, potentially in receipt of stolen goods... they've torn those goods apart and posted, potential trade secrets on the interwebs.

Ooops.

Is that the sound of my tin foil hat or a black helicopter? ;)

What surprises me the most is that according to John, Gizmodo have had it for nearly a week.

Anyway... iWoot, now that I've seen high quality photographs of it.

wholikespotatoes
20th April 2010, 02:17 AM
Heh I take my earlier skepticism back...
that phone looks amazing!!!

andyrb
20th April 2010, 02:43 AM
I get the impression that Gizmodo/Engadget et al wouldn't be making such a big deal about it and insisting that it was the real thing unless they thought it really was or were quite willing to look complete knobs in a few months time.

That said, it also wouldn't surprise me if Apple intentionally made a fake design and "lost" it to get people worked up, just so they can unveil the real - and possibly better - thing at launch.

Oh, and in case anyone cares about my opinion, it's certainly a different look but I don't mind it I guess.

gehenna
20th April 2010, 02:56 AM
I get the impression that Gizmodo/Engadget et al wouldn't be making such a big deal about it and insisting that it was the real thing unless they thought it really was or were quite willing to look complete knobs in a few months time.

Those blogs have often let loose their opinions on leaked photo's and hands-on experiences with potential new hardware. It's their bread and butter and it keeps people reading. Happens all the time, not only with Apple stuff too. When push comes to shove you can never tell until Steve takes the stage to announce something. The blogs do make for fun reading though :)

asgr8
20th April 2010, 02:59 AM
i like this new design very much. :D very sturdy and professional looking.

Now have to wait for june for its launch and then maybe another month or two till its release down under (or three if we follow iPad Launch dates )

yagankiely
20th April 2010, 03:23 AM
Well, the overall unit looks much better in these… clearer photos, but those volume buttons are still revolting. There is no similarity or aesthetic lineage I can see in any Apple product; they don't make sense, are out of place and are… really really ugly.

tcn33
20th April 2010, 05:42 AM
Well, shit. Looks like I'm eating crow on this one.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

jack112006
20th April 2010, 07:12 AM
Could a mod please remove the question mark from the thread title? :D :P

decryption
20th April 2010, 07:33 AM
The Gizmodo pics & story in this article: This Is Apple's Next iPhone - Iphone 4 - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone) make me pretty certain that someone actually did lose their 4th Gen iPhone in a bar.

Disregard its specs or looks or anything - the fact we can even see it is fucking amazing. We've had leaks before, via a grainy photo, or some marketing shot, but never the actual goddamn product landing in the media's hands a solid 2 months before the expected announcement date.

Surely someone is getting the grilling of a lifetime from Jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if there's legal action going on against the employee that lost the device.

scruffie
20th April 2010, 07:45 AM
i like it muchly. the 3gs was starting to look a bit naff. i'm going to start saving my pennies now.

LithgowLights
20th April 2010, 07:49 AM
That looks awsome. Simple, stylish, and a bigger battery! I dont care about the seams at all, but hopefully future teardowns can enlighten us more on them to see if they have a real function.

Stez
20th April 2010, 08:03 AM
Haha! When the first photos were published everyone hated it and now, seeing as its 100% that this is the new iPhone, Apple fans are forced to make themselves like it.

jack112006
20th April 2010, 08:04 AM
Apple killed Think Secret over the odd story about an Apple product that may or may not be real. Imagine what they are going to do to Gizmodo.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 08:14 AM
Apple killed Think Secret over the odd story about an Apple product that may or may not be real. Imagine what they are going to do to Gizmodo.

Different circumstances.

Think Secret got people to part with trade secrets. Gizmodo have got hold of a "lost" item.

The problem lies in that they have paid for it, and Apple don't say it's lost - they say it's stolen. Apple know who's phone it is (we know this because it's been deactivated). We know that it's not some underling who probably shouldn't have taken it out of the lab, this is because of the case that hid it's true design.

The next few days will be interesting - if Gizmodo go quiet on it then we know they've struck a deal with Apple, though Gizmodo already have pretty good access to Apple events already.

ziggotron
20th April 2010, 08:17 AM
Haha! When the first photos were published everyone hated it and now, seeing as its 100% that this is the new iPhone, Apple fans are forced to make themselves like it.

Ahh the power of brand loyalty.

kevinnugent
20th April 2010, 08:42 AM
Second iPhone prototype "lost in a bar"? Puleease. The person finding it just happened to be a geek AND knew to give it to Gizmodo?

Has anyone here been to a bar in Redwood City? You couldn't really pick a less "Applesque" place in California. Although it is near SF and therefor Cupertino.

I smell a Ninja rat.

iJohn
20th April 2010, 08:44 AM
Apple way of leaking the iphone

kevinnugent
20th April 2010, 08:52 AM
Haha! When the first photos were published everyone hated it and now, seeing as its 100% that this is the new iPhone, Apple fans are forced to make themselves like it.

I said I liked it. I also said I thought it wasn't an Ive design and looked very Sony Ericsson styled. Hang me. ;)

Joey1983
20th April 2010, 08:55 AM
I said I liked it. I also said I thought it wasn't an Ive design and looked very Sony Ericsson styled. Hang me. ;)

Looks exactly like one of my old Sony Ericsson's.
I hate it, but I'll still buy it... :(

Hopefully it's just a prototype.

gehenna
20th April 2010, 08:55 AM
I said I liked it. I also said I thought it wasn't an Ive design and looked very Sony Ericsson styled. Hang me. ;)

I said I dislike it on twitter i think. But I disliked the change from the 1st gen iPhone to the iPhone 3G because I loved the metal back. This will probably grow on me, and no doubt I'll want it for any new hardware enhancements and additions so I won't have much of a choice but to end up liking it.

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 09:09 AM
Isn't the user replaceable battery something to do with a new European requirement?

amstrad_mac
20th April 2010, 09:17 AM
Im sure this is a clever marketing to put off those going to buy an andriod phone..

Looks friggin awesome, hope the final product has the front camera

gehenna
20th April 2010, 09:20 AM
Is there anywhere/anyone that actually confirms that this alleged iPhone actually has a user replaceable battery? Am I missing something? Because all I saw was a photo with the back removed and the battery in place. To my mind that just means someone with a spudger got the back cover off and took a photo.

forno
20th April 2010, 09:21 AM
one of you lucky types with an iPad, what is the small hole next to the headphone socket for?

It appears to be present on the "Lost iPhone"

6andy6
20th April 2010, 09:23 AM
Looks exactly like one of my old Sony Ericsson's.
I hate it, but I'll still buy it... :(

Hopefully it's just a prototype.

And therein lies the problem as to why Apple will never introduce items that have hardware/software already standard on other phones for generations but drip feed you (I mean pleassssse a flash). Hate it but will still buy it..........:p

gehenna
20th April 2010, 09:23 AM
one of you lucky types with an iPad, what is the small hole next to the headphone socket for?

It appears to be present on the "Lost iPhone"

There was some mention of it being an ambient noise sensor.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 09:35 AM
There was some mention of it being an ambient noise sensor.

The iPad is listed as having a microphone. They clearly show where the speaker is on it on the site... but don't make note of the microphone.

Looking at the iFixIt teardown is looks a lot like the second microphone shown on the Gizmodo shots of the next gen iPhone.

forno
20th April 2010, 09:35 AM
Well after looking at the new high res pics, I reckon thats pretty much it apart from the round volume buttons. Everything is too well made and placed to be to far from the truth IMO

And as for the glass back, what better way to include a flash and a camera into a sleek design?

bartron
20th April 2010, 09:41 AM
I could care less what the phone looks like now. The more exciting story is waiting for the response from Apple (if any). I can imagine a leak like this would take the wind out of Steve's keynote when the announcement comes.....I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls this model and delays release for another 6 months.

decryption
20th April 2010, 09:44 AM
I could care less what the phone looks like now. The more exciting story is waiting for the response from Apple (if any). I can imagine a leak like this would take the wind out of Steve's keynote when the announcement comes.....I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls this model and delays release for another 6 months.

Ditto that - as an Apple watcher for close to a decade, I'm dying to see how/if Apple react. I really hope it's not delayed because of it. If it is, expect the offices of Engadget and Gizmodo to be firebombed.

LithgowLights
20th April 2010, 09:52 AM
Ditto that - as an Apple watcher for close to a decade, I'm dying to see how/if Apple react. I really hope it's not delayed because of it. If it is, expect the offices of Engadget and Gizmodo to be firebombed.

I'll donate the first 20 litres of fuel if it is delayed.

mitty
20th April 2010, 10:23 AM
Very nice looking device, not too different but different enough. I want one ;)

Alec Fraser
20th April 2010, 10:59 AM
How Apple Lost The Next iPhone | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/04/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone/#more-393053)

It looks like that's how they lost it...and Gizmodo are giving it back.

Rust
20th April 2010, 11:15 AM
The original photos didnt do it much justice. Those gizmodo pics/vids give you a better understanding of the phones look and feel. Personally i think its sleek and really like it :)
Those rounded buttons remind me of the battery indicator on my macbook pro...

Shaxbon
20th April 2010, 11:15 AM
How Apple Lost The Next iPhone | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/04/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone/#more-393053)

It looks like that's how they lost it...and Gizmodo are giving it back.

They should have given it back in the first place.... I want to know whether they paid for the device though.

mac_man_luke
20th April 2010, 11:19 AM
battery hardly looks user replaceable but maybe genius on the spot replaceable

decryption
20th April 2010, 11:19 AM
They should have given it back in the first place.... I want to know whether they paid for the device though.

They did - the CEO of Gawker Media (the proprietors of Gizmodo) confirmed it. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/04/gizmodo-iphone-4g.html) I dunno the actual amount though.

wholikespotatoes
20th April 2010, 11:47 AM
When it was believed the device was fake, after it showed up on Engadget but before they realised it was in the same pic with the iPad, Engadget edited their post saying it was fake and that the tipster wanted $10k for the device.
Timeline doesn't add up though if Gizmodo have had it for a week.

jesse
20th April 2010, 11:59 AM
wtf who cares about a user replaceable battery

imacattack
20th April 2010, 12:00 PM
Sounds like Apple want it back if we are the belive this guy.

Apple "knows iPhone 4G is missing" (http://www.news.com.au/technology/gizmodo-has-iphone-4g-lost-in-bar/story-e6frfro0-1225855772273)

Vojtin
20th April 2010, 12:04 PM
I think this is not an Apple's design. Look carefully on the top of the "new" iPhone. Do you think apple will make something with tiny "slot" and same on the sides.
http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_iphone6.jpg
http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_iphone1.jpg

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 12:26 PM
Actually, if Gizmodo knew it was lost and didn't give it back, they could be charged with a crime so if it was real, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple didn't have them charged if it was real. Purchasing of lost property is also illegal.

Alec Fraser
20th April 2010, 12:30 PM
wtf who cares about a user replaceable battery

The corporate market. And that's a market Apple want to be in it seems.

NeoRicen
20th April 2010, 12:32 PM
God damn it, if it's a micro SIM that means I can't just buy it outright and whack my current SIM in there and I'm way too early in my contract to cancel.

bartron
20th April 2010, 12:47 PM
God damn it, if it's a micro SIM that means I can't just buy it outright and whack my current SIM in there and I'm way too early in my contract to cancel.

so either chop up your SIM or ask your telco for a replacement in micro SIM format. No need to break your contract just to get a smaller SIM.

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 12:48 PM
God damn it, if it's a micro SIM that means I can't just buy it outright and whack my current SIM in there and I'm way too early in my contract to cancel.

Just ask the telco for a new microsim when it comes out. Its not hard and no cancellation required. Its the same as if you damaged the sim or it stopped working.

iMic
20th April 2010, 12:48 PM
They did - the CEO of Gawker Media (the proprietors of Gizmodo) confirmed it. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/04/gizmodo-iphone-4g.html) I dunno the actual amount though.

Supposedly Gizmodo paid $10,000 for it.

Gizmodo paid $10,000 for “lost” iPhone 4G|Edible Apple (http://www.edibleapple.com/gizmodo-paid-10000-for-lost-iphone-4g/)

EDIT: $5000 was the actual amount, no idea where the $10,000 figure came from. Pics of purported next-generation iPhone reach Web - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100419/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_apple_iphone)


I think this is not an Apple's design. Look carefully on the top of the "new" iPhone. Do you think apple will make something with tiny "slot" and same on the sides.

One of the stickers/barcodes found on the iPhone reads N90_DVT_GE4X_0493 which indicates this device's code name is N90 (the iPhone 3G's codename was N82 for context) and this unit is in fact a DVT, or Design Verification Testing Unit, which could explain the gaps in the casing.


After prototyping, the product is moved to the next phase of the design cycle: Design Refinement. Engineers revise and improve the design to meet performance and design requirements and specifications. Design Verification Testing is performed to deliver objective, comprehensive testing verifying all product specifications, interface standards, OEM requirements, and diagnostic commands.

Alec Fraser
20th April 2010, 12:49 PM
God damn it, if it's a micro SIM that means I can't just buy it outright and whack my current SIM in there and I'm way too early in my contract to cancel.

If your carrier supports the microsim (and my guess is every carrier currently selling the iPhone will) then you can get a blank microsim and swap your existing number on to it. Vodafone do it for me with regular SIM all the time when people lost their work phones.

thats awesome
20th April 2010, 12:49 PM
One thing I don't understand about this whole fiasco is that if it was really an Apple product, why has there been no reaction from Apple? When the usual grainy images of leaked, spyshot, etc photos turn up they are taken off the websites (I am referring to macrumors here) within hours. The only response the hosting websites give is that 'Apples legal department contacted us and told us to remove the images'.

It looks like Apple don't seem to care about this one.

gehenna
20th April 2010, 12:52 PM
One thing I don't understand about this whole fiasco is that if it was really an Apple product, why has there been no reaction from Apple?

The greatest Apple product leaks of all time (http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/19/the-greatest-apple-product-leaks-of-all-time/)

Lutze
20th April 2010, 12:54 PM
There are two trains of thought on that:

1. Apple know that by removing they admit it

2. Apple leaked the phone in the first place

asgr8
20th April 2010, 12:56 PM
There are two trains of thought on that:

1. Apple know that by removing they admit it

2. Apple leaked the phone in the first place

+1 second that.

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 12:59 PM
+1 second that.

Agreed. Plus, they may not be bothered if they are still putting finishing touches on it. I.e. it does promote some interest but if they have something up their sleeve like the ceramic case which could change majority of the look and feel, they may feel that not much of the final design has been leaked.

Either way, its getting their new phone publicity in the press 3 months before its due to be released and Apple can gauge the opinions and thoughts of local users on the topic.

NeoRicen
20th April 2010, 01:36 PM
There are two trains of thought on that:

1. Apple know that by removing they admit it

2. Apple leaked the phone in the first place
This is not a controlled leak, there is zero evidence that this is something Apple wanted to happen.

Vague hints. Possible price. Availability. Those are things Apple would (and have) leaked deliberately. Showing the whole damn phone? Not a chance in hell. They've got almost nothing to announce now, the whole thing is out in the open. I'm betting they are pissed.

matthewk
20th April 2010, 01:41 PM
Either way, its getting their new phone publicity in the press 3 months before its due to be released and Apple can gauge the opinions and thoughts of local users on the topic.

This late in the game it would be hard for Apple to change design. The only way they could is if they had 3 or 4 full designs ready and planned with the manufacturer. For the kind of scales Apple is looking at the manufacturer needs a long lead time to have 2 million units ready for launch day.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 02:03 PM
This is not a controlled leak, there is zero evidence that this is something Apple wanted to happen.

Vague hints. Possible price. Availability. Those are things Apple would (and have) leaked deliberately. Showing the whole damn phone? Not a chance in hell. They've got almost nothing to announce now, the whole thing is out in the open. I'm betting they are pissed.

This does one thing that hints and rumours don't. It makes people who were going to buy a new Android mobile pause and think... hmm if this is the new iPhone I'll hang off and wait for it.

Stopping people buying a Google phone is all win.

asgr8
20th April 2010, 02:14 PM
This does one thing that hints and rumours don't. It makes people who were going to buy a new Android mobile pause and think... hmm if this is the new iPhone I'll hang off and wait for it.

Stopping people buying a Google phone is all win.


i was gonna say the same thing. HTC incredible is a very nice phone and everyone's praising it. Now people have a little bit of an idea that apple is creating something new hardware wise unlike previous generation with same hardware design. Now they have a reason to wait.

Before many people were suspecting that new iphone might be another speed and camera bump with same design. So it could be a devious activity from apple to hold off people from buying android and jumping on to the google bandwagon.

immyk
20th April 2010, 02:21 PM
i was gonna say the same thing. HTC incredible is a very nice phone and everyone's praising it. Now people have a little bit of an idea that apple is creating something new hardware wise unlike previous generation with same hardware design. Now they have a reason to wait.

Before many people were suspecting that new iphone might be another speed and camera bump with same design. So it could be a devious activity from apple to hold off people from buying android and jumping on to the google bandwagon.

Well it's worked....I was going to by a HTC but now I'm going to wait....

mitty
20th April 2010, 02:24 PM
So, I'm confused... was it stolen, or lost? Did the guy actually forget his phone in a bar, or did someone else pick it up while he wasn't looking?

gehenna
20th April 2010, 02:28 PM
So, I'm confused... was it stolen, or lost? Did the guy actually forget his phone in a bar, or did someone else pick it up while he wasn't looking?

From what I gather he left it in the bar by mistake, someone held on to it for him. Word got to Gizmodo after some photos surfaced on Engadget. Gizmodo paid a premium to "rent" the device for a while and have arranged to give it back. That's the last I read anyway.

mc cool
20th April 2010, 02:28 PM
A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/04/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-iphone-back/)

Apple asked for it back!

asgr8
20th April 2010, 02:31 PM
A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/04/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-iphone-back/)

Apple asked for it back!


Apple just confirmed it. Now i wonder what changes they will make or if they will make any changes.

Very exciting month from cupertino. iPad, iphone OS4.0,new macbook pro, Iphone 4th gen leaked and confirmed by apple.

bartron
20th April 2010, 02:32 PM
Now i wonder what changes they will make or if they will make any changes.

In reacting to the iPad fiasco, the 4th gen iPhone will be available everywhere.....except the USA

Devil rolla
20th April 2010, 02:34 PM
this quote off gizmodo sums it up for me..


tifu
April 20, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Is it just me, or this felt like a massive spoiler?? The mystery is dead …

P.S Star wars is a great movie, and btw, for those of you who haven’t watched it, Darth is Luke’s dad

melb_mac_guy
20th April 2010, 02:41 PM
Hey
The guy who "sold this phone" to gizmodo was just on US TV channel NBC admitting he faked the phone.
He said that he had manufactured it himself and slowly spread the word to see how viral it could become.
When gizmodo offered him money for the phone, he saw no reason not to cash in on the who charade. (bet NBC paid him for his interview too)
It only became clear it was a fake when someone from Apple was on US cable channel Fox Business Channel saying that the phone that was being shown all over the web was nothing like anything in development at apple.
the Apple guy also stated, that if it was an official prototype it by law would be required to be registered and have an FCC number, the phone displays an FCC number with XXXX in place of numbers, this to many should be a clear give away that it in indeed a fake.
Gizmodo was contacted by NBC and a representative stated that they stand behind their article and were only showing what was suspected of being the next iPhone, they investigated and found reasons to believe it to be the real deal.

Anyways... we in this the apple universe are always excited about new products, but don't be fooled guys, its a clear FAKE.

craigc
20th April 2010, 02:45 PM
Please disregard. I should have read the earlier posts before I jumped in.

asgr8
20th April 2010, 02:48 PM
Hey
The guy who "sold this phone" to gizmodo was just on US TV channel NBC admitting he faked the phone.
He said that he had manufactured it himself and slowly spread the word to see how viral it could become.
When gizmodo offered him money for the phone, he saw no reason not to cash in on the who charade. (bet NBC paid him for his interview too)
It only became clear it was a fake when someone from Apple was on US cable channel Fox Business Channel saying that the phone that was being shown all over the web was nothing like anything in development at apple.
the Apple guy also stated, that if it was an official prototype it by law would be required to be registered and have an FCC number, the phone displays an FCC number with XXXX in place of numbers, this to many should be a clear give away that it in indeed a fake.
Gizmodo was contacted by NBC and a representative stated that they stand behind their article and were only showing what was suspected of being the next iPhone, they investigated and found reasons to believe it to be the real deal.

Anyways... we in this the apple universe are always excited about new products, but don't be fooled guys, its a clear FAKE.


Is this some kind of a joke ? if its then i didnt get it :P

any link please.

LithgowLights
20th April 2010, 03:16 PM
Anyways... we in this the apple universe are always excited about new products, but don't be fooled guys, its a clear FAKE.

I don't see anything clear here at all. While I do expect the final design to differ, I would say that this is a brilliant design and a very close design to what we will see in a few months. I seriously doubt Apple will be hurt by this, except the embarrassment it has caused

displayb333
20th April 2010, 03:23 PM
There are two trains of thought on that:
2. Apple leaked the phone in the first place

The past few weeks...

iPad launch
iPhone 4 SDK
MacBook revisions
iPhone 4g "leaked"

Tomorrow... Earnings call. Gonna be monstrous. Analysts suddenly target $300 per share. Suddenly AAPL have a bigger market cap than... Microsoft.

Meticulous planning is my guess.

tcn33
20th April 2010, 03:29 PM
Hey
The guy who "sold this phone" to gizmodo was just on US TV channel NBC admitting he faked the phone.

Link please.

marc
20th April 2010, 04:01 PM
I haven't read everything on this, but my thoughts:

- I don't think Apple planned this one. They prefer silence, then release. We haven't seen Apple ever leak physical products like this before, so I'm guessing they didn't purposely leak this time.

- I don't think that's the final design. My guess is they have lots of different prototypes.

- The engineer in question probably works in the hardware department, as I don't think the software team would even have the hardware yet.

Devil rolla
20th April 2010, 04:03 PM
no-one else has sighted the Nbc report.

Devil rolla
20th April 2010, 04:05 PM
gizmodo also posted a letter, if they are bluffing, they are going all out.

A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back - Iphone 4 - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5520479/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-iphone-back)

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/applelegaltogizmodo.jpg

Lutze
20th April 2010, 04:09 PM
The engineer in question probably works in the hardware department, as I don't think the software team would even have the hardware yet.

According to Gizmodo the guy works in the software baseband team.

I agree though... it seems unlikely that he'd have access to a prototype, let alone be able to take it out into the world.

Cassy
20th April 2010, 04:11 PM
Gizmodo also posted a transcript of the telephone call they made to the guy who lost the iphone to begin with... if the NBC report is true then Gizmodo just plain made it up?

That seems unlikey >.<

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 04:18 PM
According to Gizmodo the guy works in the software baseband team.

I agree though... it seems unlikely that he'd have access to a prototype, let alone be able to take it out into the world.

And if he managed to get it out, and then got so drunk he forgot it, then I feel sorry for him.

Plus, from what it sounds like, it isn't working, so why would he take a non-working prototype out of the office and keep it in his pocket?


gizmodo also posted a letter, if they are bluffing, they are going all out.

A Letter: Apple Wants Its Secret iPhone Back - Iphone 4 - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5520479/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-iphone-back)

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/applelegaltogizmodo.jpg

IF I was apple and people insisted it was the 4G when it wasn't I'd also ask for it back because they are legally obliged to give it to you if they think its real and its easier to prove its a fake.

MightyAtom
20th April 2010, 04:23 PM
Plus, from what it sounds like, it isn't working, so why would he take a non-working prototype out of the office and keep it in his pocket?Apparently it was working, Apple remotely bricked it.

NefWolf
20th April 2010, 04:24 PM
That's not Apple. The side buttons and Sony styling tells me that its not. Apple have a bit more decency to cram a bit more WOW factor into their products.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 04:24 PM
Just because a prototype looks this way doesn't mean the real thing will.

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 04:28 PM
Apparently it was working, Apple remotely bricked it.

And they didn't video it before that? Thats a little surprising and a little convenient of them given the enormous discovery.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 04:30 PM
And they didn't video it before that? Thats a little surprising and a little convenient of them given the enormous discovery.

It wasn't in Gizmodo's hands at that point. Night of happening it worked, morning after it didn't. They didn't realise it was different until later. The "case" that it was in disguised it quite well from even a reasonable glance.

mallo
20th April 2010, 04:31 PM
And they didn't video it before that? Thats a little surprising and a little convenient of them given the enormous discovery.

edit: beaten.

go read gizmodo, pretty sure the deal was, the guy that found it, brought it home, played with it, went to sleep, and then woke up the next day to find it bricked, it was awhile after that (a week i think) that gizmodo got their hands on it....

iMic
20th April 2010, 04:32 PM
EDIT: Oh man, ultra-beaten.

Well it was supposedly remote wiped once they (Apple, Grey Powell, whoever) realised it was missing, the same night it went missing and certainly before Gizmodo got a chance to look at it. There would have been very little time between finding the device and it being wiped out.

It adds up, of course that's only based on the information we've been given.

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 04:41 PM
Or its just a convincing story to explain why a fake won't boot up.

Personally, I'm not sure if I believe it. I reckon I'm thinking its more likely to be a fake at this point.

bennyling
20th April 2010, 04:45 PM
Or its just a convincing story to explain why a fake won't boot up.


At this point, all we have to go on that it actually runs the iPhone OS is that Gizmodo say "OSX verifies it as a iPhone", that the "connect to iTunes screen is in rediculously high res", and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why aren't there any shots of the device actually powered on?

I call fake.

MightyAtom
20th April 2010, 04:46 PM
Or its just a convincing story to explain why a fake won't boot up.

Personally, I'm not sure if I believe it. I reckon I'm thinking its more likely to be a fake at this point.
If Gruber claims to know Apple have in fact lost a phone and want it back I'm inclined to believe it. At this point the story has gotten pretty compelling.

Rant
20th April 2010, 04:51 PM
Doesn't mean that's what the new iPhone will look like, just that it is Apple property.

It may be the next iPhone
It may be a generic prototype case for testing and a real curvy case is being designed
It may be misdirection by Apple, like the iSlate rumours prior to CES to get the PC industry to name their pads Slates, leaving Apple clear to 'own' the name Pad (snigger), if not Gary Powell should be on LinkedIn as looking for a low security hardware job anywhere but Apple

We know Apple does controlled leaks to build hype (http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_leaks/) and this smells like the iSlate leak, which everyone believed, even though Borders revealed it was called iPAD in August last year (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/borders-online-survey-cites-apple-ipad-device/).

Just saying.

iGobbleoff
20th April 2010, 04:51 PM
I wonder if the volume buttons also act as zoom buttons for the camera?

sleek881
20th April 2010, 05:02 PM
This all sounds too fishy to be taken seriously.
C'mon , why would anyone take a top secret device prototype into a bar of all places?

Fake!!

The design is too ordinary and the front screen appearance seems to have no change at all apart from the alleged higher screen resolution which there seems to be no photographic evidence of.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 05:11 PM
This all sounds too fishy to be taken seriously.
C'mon , why would anyone take a top secret device prototype into a bar of all places?

Fake!!

The design is too ordinary and the front screen appearance seems to have no change at all apart from the alleged higher screen resolution which there seems to be no photographic evidence of.

The problem with this is... Gizmodo are putting their reputation on the block big time. You are pretty much accusing them of faking a letter from Apple Legal, from faking the entire story...

It's that or you believe that Apple are faking it, and that's what I suggested earlier - saying that this is an intentional leak by Apple.

mallo
20th April 2010, 05:17 PM
The problem with this is... Gizmodo are putting their reputation on the block big time. You are pretty much accusing them of faking a letter from Apple Legal, from faking the entire story...

It's that or you believe that Apple are faking it, and that's what I suggested earlier - saying that this is an intentional leak by Apple.

yeah i think i'm siding with yourself.

I call fake, but not faked by gizmodo, faked by apple.

or, faked by someone else, and apple are just being opportunistic by claiming its theirs.....

ipwn
20th April 2010, 05:55 PM
At this point, all we have to go on that it actually runs the iPhone OS is that Gizmodo say "OSX verifies it as a iPhone", that the "connect to iTunes screen is in rediculously high res", and so on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why aren't there any shots of the device actually powered on?

I call fake.

Agree, Its fake until i see it with an iTunes logo, and as for Gizmodo, apple should conveniently forget to sent them an invite to WWDC keynote.

What a Sham!!!!!

MightyAtom
20th April 2010, 05:57 PM
It's that or you believe that Apple are faking it, and that's what I suggested earlier - saying that this is an intentional leak by Apple.
I doubt this is an intentional leak. I think it's entirely possible they're using a case design for field testing they don't intend shipping.


or, faked by someone else, and apple are just being opportunistic by claiming its theirs.....
Apparently it is recognised by iTunes but can't be restored because it uses a different firmware to shipping iPhones. There's no way a third party could fake that. If it isn't made by Apple and they tried to claim legal ownership of it they'd be opening themselves up to litigation.

ipwn
20th April 2010, 06:02 PM
Apparently it is recognised by iTunes but can't be restored because it uses a different firmware to shipping iPhones. There's no way a third party could fake that. If it isn't made by Apple and they tried to claim legal ownership of it they'd be opening themselves up to litigation.

No photo Proof!!, plenty of pics of an inactive device, show me and iTunes logo and I might believe it.

gr8bob
20th April 2010, 08:01 PM
Apparently apple wants it back

read. (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/20/apple-demands-prototype-iphone-back/)

Joey1983
20th April 2010, 08:11 PM
My god it's hideous, the more I look at it the more I appreciate the design of my 3Gs (even if it is a little dated). Here's hoping it is a prototype, either that or it has a great personality.

P.S. Gizmodo, Apple called, they want their iBrick back.

jok3r
20th April 2010, 08:18 PM
Could be a publicity stunt by Apple, drumming up some iPhone interest or a HUGE cockup.

Personally, im on the fence with its looks.
Doesnt really have that "sex" appeal most apple product have.
Might be totally different in -hand, but totally a fence sitter on this.
Total crackup when someone said it looked like this..
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/04/aa2a98251f95f819d5f292ccee27afd1/340x.jpg

wholikespotatoes
20th April 2010, 08:26 PM
No photo Proof!!, plenty of pics of an inactive device, show me and iTunes logo and I might believe it.

Somehow I don't think Gizmodo would blatantly make this up.

All of those somehow still in denial, have a look at all the evidence... pretty conclusive.

kungfucamel
20th April 2010, 08:30 PM
i would so buy one if it looked like a monaco bar!!!


Could be a publicity stunt by Apple, drumming up some iPhone interest or a HUGE cockup.

Personally, im on the fence with its looks.
Doesnt really have that "sex" appeal most apple product have.
Might be totally different in -hand, but totally a fence sitter on this.
Total crackup when someone said it looked like this..
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/04/aa2a98251f95f819d5f292ccee27afd1/340x.jpg

bartron
20th April 2010, 10:35 PM
Gizmodo should watch their back for the next 3 years

AppleInsider | Apple asks for iPhone prototype back, Gizmodo could face UTSA lawsuit (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/20/apple_asks_for_iphone_prototype_back_gizmodo_could _face_utsa_lawsuit.html)


Section 3425.1 defines "misappropriation of trade secrets" as a civil code violation, with wording that makes it pretty clear that buying a stolen prototype, determining it is authentic and includes valuable information in the form of trade secrets, and then publishing the information to earn money and notoriety for doing so is something that will expose you to legal liability.

And much like Australia, it doesn't matter if you know a device is stolen or not, it's illegal to buy and be in possession of stolen goods...so there's that danger as well if it's ever proved the device was not discovered on a bar stool as claimed.

Been an interesting day....more popcorn please..

MissionMan
20th April 2010, 10:41 PM
So in short:

1. It's real in which case Apple cam legally sue Gizmodo for all the money they have and probably force them into liquidation because they knowing published the information.

2. It's fake in which case Gizmodo lose face.

Sounds like a no win situation for Gizmodo.

Lutze
20th April 2010, 10:44 PM
So in short:

1. It's real in which case Apple cam legally sue Gizmodo for all the money they have and probably force them into liquidation because they knowing published the information.

2. It's fake in which case Gizmodo lose face.

Sounds like a no win situation for Gizmodo.

I can't see where they think that it will end up with them not being left in the shit or left looking shit.

I'm sure that at the time it sounded like a great idea... but then was it really so long ago that Apple had Think Secret closed down that they've forgotten?

marc
20th April 2010, 11:09 PM
So in short:

1. It's real in which case Apple cam legally sue Gizmodo for all the money they have and probably force them into liquidation because they knowing published the information.

2. It's fake in which case Gizmodo lose face.

Sounds like a no win situation for Gizmodo.

So what they should have done is paid for it, and called Apple straight away, then taken some photos while Apple were on their way to collect?

(Agree. Gizmodo haven't done the right thing here, and they might be in some serious trouble for it.)

Steve_D
20th April 2010, 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by NeoRicen
God damn it, if it's a micro SIM that means I can't just buy it outright and whack my current SIM in there and I'm way too early in my contract to cancel.

Just to give you an idea on the size difference between the two sim formats.
http://www.sizlopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/micro-sim.jpeg

They say they can be cut down to suit but you would hope that whoever is doing the cutting has an accurate template or your going to have to shell out that whole $2 for that replacement sim.

Oh and for those looking for the template try This (http://security.hsr.ch/lectures/IntSec2-SmartCards.pdf). (page7)

Exocet
21st April 2010, 12:26 AM
According to Gizmodo the guy works in the software baseband team.

I agree though... it seems unlikely that he'd have access to a prototype, let alone be able to take it out into the world.

An engineer working on the baseband, the part of the phone which talks between cellular networks and the device, wanting to test a prototype in real-world conditions which can't be reproduced in a lab?

No, he'd never have access to such a thing.

EDIT: And as for that letter? Seriously - I've seen enough photos of Apple letterhead. They haven't used a bevelled logo in years.

ipwn
21st April 2010, 12:53 AM
I have been doing some more searching

2 conclusions

1 With all the parts that gizmodo have published, Couldn't thyy have built this thing on "pre-released" parts from various chinese suppliers.

2 Apple are starting to smart up with leaks of their last 3 products, Nano, 3g and iPad, do you think they would throw out a dummy phone to get exactly this response?

Again there is no evidence of this being powered up with no itunes logo, With gizmodo doing such a thorough review and claim to have power, they DID NOT take one pic of this. WHY?


Next-Generation iPhone 3G Parts Revealed by Chinese Wholesaler? - iPhone 3G 2009 - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5271696/next+generation-iphone-3g-parts-revealed-by-chinese-wholesaler)

iPhone 4G internal shots from WeiPhone - Engadget Galleries (http://www.engadget.com/photos/iphone-4g-internal-shots-from-weiphone/)

MattJelonek
21st April 2010, 01:43 AM
Free publicity. Just like how Apple didn't have to pay for this:

iPad makes hilarious cameo on “The Colbert Report”|Edible Apple (http://www.edibleapple.com/ipad-makes-hilarious-cameo-on-the-colbert-report/)

it goes for two mins... but a great two mins!

EDIT: oh and yes, i think it's a fake! a prototype whilst we're at it. It cannot be the next design.... it looks un-Apple-esk!

forno
21st April 2010, 08:08 AM
An apple prototype out in the real world, possible, but at night in a non work environment, highly unlikley IMO.

I have no knowledge of the appropriate apple leterhead, but the wording of the apple letter doesnt ring true to me.


The fact that Gizmodo are screwed either way can be read 3 ways IMO
1. Its a fake, and they have lost the plot
2. Its a real prototype, but not of the production design
3. apple controlled leak.

We will know when Gizmodo get their nuts handed to them or when Steve shows us the new iPhone in a few weeks

Who really knows? None of us thats for sure, I am leaning towards non production prototype, but the fact an engineer had this thing out an about after hours and ina recreational environment really nags at me

gehenna
21st April 2010, 09:14 AM
Well Gizmodo took it apart before giving it back (as you do), it certainly does look the part...

Open Gal - - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5520877/open-gal//gallery/1)

MissionMan
21st April 2010, 09:32 AM
Well Gizmodo took it apart before giving it back (as you do), it certainly does look the part...

Open Gal - - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5520877/open-gal//gallery/1)

And that will probably be one of the key reasons why Apple puts their balls in a vice and twists hard.

Any chance they had against trade secret protection went out the window when they published this.

forno
21st April 2010, 09:36 AM
Do you know what a nemisis is?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tEaXUwA9pNs/R8P-vIvLWkI/AAAAAAAAAPA/mgQVsNh4MtQ/s400/bricktop2.jpg

Pulling that phone apart went to far!

Gizmodo are going to be feeling pain very soon

tcn33
21st April 2010, 09:54 AM
Any chance they had against trade secret protection went out the window when they published this.

Actually, Apple probably can't sue for misappropriation of trade secrets - as soon as they let an employee take the iPhone out in public they basically lost that right.

More here (http://www.technovia.co.uk/2010/04/has-gizmodo-broken-the-law-with-its-iphone-story.html).

MissionMan
21st April 2010, 09:59 AM
Actually, Apple probably can't sue for misappropriation of trade secrets - as soon as they let an employee take the iPhone out in public they basically lost that right.

More here (http://www.technovia.co.uk/2010/04/has-gizmodo-broken-the-law-with-its-iphone-story.html).

Not at all. Gizmodo dismantled it. Cars are often taken out in public disguised for initial testing but it doesn't give someone the right to completely dismantle the car and publish the photos. The phone was disguised in a 3g case. Gizmodo overstepped the mark when they dismantled the phone and published the inner workings. Simply finding the phone and publishing the external pictures would probably have been okay, but dismantling property which is not owned by you and publishing trade secrets?

tcn33
21st April 2010, 10:00 AM
Try reading the link. Apple can probably sue for a few things, but violation of trade secret law is not one of them.

MissionMan
21st April 2010, 10:07 AM
Try reading the link. Apple can probably sue for a few things, but violation of trade secret law is not one of them.

I read the link, he quite clearly states he isn't a lawyer but he does state:

"However, if something is seen from a public space, it loses its trade secret protection. You can photograph it, describe it, or examine it in any way which doesn’t violate any other laws"

Opening it quite clearly violated other laws which could quite easily bring the trade secret protection back into play.

bartron
21st April 2010, 10:09 AM
I read the link, he quite clearly states he isn't a lawyer.

and I'm sure Apple are in a position to afford better lawyers than Gizmodo...

presuming that's the path Apple want to take....and they have three years to make up their minds (although three years in the tech industry is a long time)

mab
21st April 2010, 10:44 AM
Apparently apple wants it back

read. (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/20/apple-demands-prototype-iphone-back/)

Gizmodo should have linked Apple to this story (http://gizmodo.com/5437979/apple-refuses-to-send-stolen-iphone-back-to-rightful-owner-after-repair).

Joey1983
21st April 2010, 11:36 AM
Gruber made a good point on Twitter.
The reason they probably don't have any photos of the "connect to iTunes" screen is becuse they probably broke it when they pulled it apart...

bennyling
21st April 2010, 11:42 AM
Gruber made a good point on Twitter.
The reason they probably don't have any photos of the "connect to iTunes" screen is becuse they probably broke it when they pulled it apart...

So you're telling me one of the most popular tech blogs in the English-speaking world didn't think to plug it into iTunes first, before pulling it apart? -_-

Riiight.

forno
21st April 2010, 11:44 AM
So you're telling me one of the most popular tech blogs in the English-speaking world didn't think to plug it into iTunes first, before pulling it apart? -_-

Riiight.

No, but they seem to have forgotten to take a pics of the iTunes screen prior to pulling it apart

Joey1983
21st April 2010, 12:26 PM
So you're telling me one of the most popular tech blogs in the English-speaking world didn't think to plug it into iTunes first, before pulling it apart? -_-

Riiight.

They did plug it in, just didn't take any pictures ?!?
Doesn't make sense to me either...

WindowsVista
21st April 2010, 06:12 PM
God. This is big! It's on Channel 9 news after this ad break!

gehenna
21st April 2010, 06:13 PM
God. This is big! It's on Channel 9 news after this ad break!

The home of quality journalism.

tom5955
21st April 2010, 06:33 PM
I still kinda don't believe its true, for one reason.
You hear all the time about the Apple Products being covered up when not in use, and alert lights being on when products are not covered up, and products being bolted to a table. By that photo with the iPhone on top of the iPad, you can see the outside of the iPad covered. I can't understand them giving an unreleased iPhone to a 27 year old to wonder around with. Somehow it sounds too me like a publicity stunt, I don't think its very Apple-like, but I just can't see them allowing this guy to go into the wild with a new iPhone. If they were going to do testing, I would think they would have done it during the day, with the iPhones having to be returned for the night. Even having it outside, out of their control would allow for leaks. They would be looking to minimize these as much as possible.

Stez
21st April 2010, 06:35 PM
I still kinda don't believe its true, for one reason.
You hear all the time about the Apple Products being covered up when not in use, and alert lights being on when products are not covered up, and products being bolted to a table. By that photo with the iPhone on top of the iPad, you can see the outside of the iPad covered. I can't understand them giving an unreleased iPhone to a 27 year old to wonder around with. Somehow it sounds too me like a publicity stunt, I don't think its very Apple-like, but I just can't see them allowing this guy to go into the wild with a new iPhone. If they were going to do testing, I would think they would have done it during the day, with the iPhones having to be returned for the night. Even having it outside, out of their control would allow for leaks. They would be looking to minimize these as much as possible.

Makes sense. But it was in a 3GS case. Almost impossible to spot. Not to mention the iPad leak photo shows the new iPhone. I'm 99% sure. I'd be surprised if we saw anything radically different come the announcement.

tom5955
21st April 2010, 06:38 PM
Makes sense. But it was in a 3GS case. Almost impossible to spot. Not to mention the iPad leak photo shows the new iPhone. I'm 99% sure. I'd be surprised if we saw anything radically different come the announcement.

Yeah, even if it was disguised, its still them letting someone take it for a period of time, which I don't think they would do. From what i've read they are pretty serious about leaks.

Stez
21st April 2010, 06:42 PM
Yeah, even if it was disguised, its still them letting someone take it for a period of time, which I don't think they would do. From what i've read they are pretty serious about leaks.

Totally agree, that doesn't make sense to me. But there is just so much evidence! Maybe it was a publicity stunt gone wrong? Give it to the guy, he flashes it around a little, maybe somebody notices the front facing camera? IDK but whatever it is this is an Apple prototype and I think (and hope!) it is legit.

Alec Fraser
21st April 2010, 06:43 PM
Pulling that phone apart went to far!

Gizmodo are going to be feeling pain very soon

Seriously, it's a thing. Who gives a fuck if they pulled it apart? Where Gizmodo went too far was publicly naming and shaming the kid who "lost" it. Hell they were so busy being "clever" that they couldn't even be bothered to spell his name right in half the post.

tom5955
21st April 2010, 06:46 PM
Totally agree, that doesn't make sense to me. But there is just so much evidence! Maybe it was a publicity stunt gone wrong? Give it to the guy, he flashes it around a little, maybe somebody notices the front facing camera? IDK but whatever it is this is an Apple prototype and I think (and hope!) it is legit.

Hmm well the fact that Apple has asked for it back proves that it is a prototype, but whether its the one that will be released June/July, i'm not convinced. The whole thing just doesn't sound Apple-like to me.

opilot87
21st April 2010, 06:47 PM
Seriously, it's a thing. Who gives a fuck if they pulled it apart? Where Gizmodo went too far was publicly naming and shaming the kid who "lost" it. Hell they were so busy being "clever" that they couldn't even be bothered to spell his name right in half the post.

Don't be one of those people. Do you seriously think Apple wouldn't notice who's phone went missing? Seriously? No Really? Do you think they don't take note of which specific individually identified phone goes out to?

Ollie

tcn33
21st April 2010, 06:57 PM
Big difference between Apple knowing who was responsible, and some lameass website broadcasting the poor dude's name to all and sundry. Utterly classless.

ipwn
21st April 2010, 06:58 PM
Why would they need to send a protype phone into the wild?

Its not like they dont get 3g signal from the campus roof top.

Oh! lets release the phone now, because we have tested it at a bar, and it make calls from over there!!!! fuck off. its a fake!!!!

Apple are leading us on!! if we are focusing on this, we wont keep looking, meanwhile apple are producing the real thing right while we are all distracted with this shit.

Alec Fraser
21st April 2010, 07:00 PM
Don't be one of those people. Do you seriously think Apple wouldn't notice who's phone went missing? Seriously? No Really? Do you think they don't take note of which specific individually identified phone goes out to?

Ollie

You've missed my entire point. I'm a member of an Apple forum, I'm kinda familiar with the intense secrecy around their product launches, I knew whoever lost it was getting shit canned the instant it started to sound credible!

My point is, when Apple fire him, how is he supposed to find another job? His name is now mud all over the internet. At every interview he goes to, people will know he's the guy who lost the iPhone.

Gizmodo didn't have to out him, they had other ways to prove that it belonged to Apple. It was a cheap shot at a kid who fucked up and would've paid the price by losing his job, regardless of whether they outed him publicly or not.

MightyAtom
21st April 2010, 07:46 PM
Why would they need to send a protype phone into the wild?

They've done it with every iPhone, they had 200 engineers field testing the original iPhone before release.

The guy who lost the phone is a baseband engineer, you know, the part of the phone that talks to cell towers. The only way to fully test the baseband is to expose it to a variety of cell towers in real world conditions.

tom5955
21st April 2010, 07:49 PM
They've done it with every iPhone, they had 200 engineers field testing the original iPhone before release.

The guy who lost the phone is a baseband engineer, you know, the part of the phone that talks to cell towers. The only way to fully test the baseband is to expose it to a variety of cell towers in real world conditions.

They would do it during the day though, I doubt they would give them out for night time use. And the guy is stupid for taking it out when he knows he going to get drunk.

I think the real proof of whether this is real is whether he actually loses his job.

kungfucamel
21st April 2010, 07:58 PM
whether or not it's real - i think it was pretty piss poor that they outed the engineer - that was a low blow.

tom5955
21st April 2010, 08:02 PM
whether or not it's real - i think it was pretty piss poor that they outed the engineer - that was a low blow.

Definitely. He's gonna find it difficult if he is told to move on by Apple. I think it'll be a while before he finds another job similar to the one he has.

yagankiely
21st April 2010, 08:22 PM
They could have easily omitted the name while still publishing the story. Very low by Gizmodo. As much as I enjoy a lot of their posts, I kinda hope Apple and 'the kid'* rake Gizmodo over the coals.

*See email from Giz to Apple.

opilot87
21st April 2010, 08:28 PM
You've missed my entire point. I'm a member of an Apple forum, I'm kinda familiar with the intense secrecy around their product launches, I knew whoever lost it was getting shit canned the instant it started to sound credible!

My point is, when Apple fire him, how is he supposed to find another job? His name is now mud all over the internet. At every interview he goes to, people will know he's the guy who lost the iPhone.

Gizmodo didn't have to out him, they had other ways to prove that it belonged to Apple. It was a cheap shot at a kid who fucked up and would've paid the price by losing his job, regardless of whether they outed him publicly or not.

I don't think the fact it was public will affect his chance of getting another job much. If I was an employer I wouldn't be overly fussed that he accidently lost a phone, when his job is to be a baseband engineer. And, any employer is basically going to know anyway... oh you got fired from your last job at Apple, why's that? Oh you have Apple as your last and best reference, lets call and speak to Apple about you....

Ollie

kevinnugent
21st April 2010, 09:56 PM
Gizmodo are a bunch of irresponsible children.

Lutze
21st April 2010, 10:28 PM
Gizmodo are a bunch of irresponsible children.

Quoted for truth.

Their owner is a fuckwit beyond all believe - he thinks "Chequebook Journalism" is a thing to aspire too.

Rant
22nd April 2010, 12:49 AM
Gizmodo should have linked Apple to this story (http://gizmodo.com/5437979/apple-refuses-to-send-stolen-iphone-back-to-rightful-owner-after-repair).

Good one. We need a measure of social cluelessness. Let's call it a Google. And not returning a stolen iPhone is a Google of a low act.


No, but they seem to have forgotten to take a pics of the iTunes screen prior to pulling it apart

I'm not so sure I'd be rushing to plug it into iTunes. Who knows what manner of evil lies in wait, when you contact the mothership.


Don't be one of those people. Do you seriously think Apple wouldn't notice who's phone went missing? Seriously? No Really? Do you think they don't take note of which specific individually identified phone goes out to?

Ollie

Apple would have known, and if they guy had any sense, he would have reported it as soon as he realised it was gone, probably the next morning if he'd been imbibing sufficiently.


Big difference between Apple knowing who was responsible, and some lameass website broadcasting the poor dude's name to all and sundry. Utterly classless.

I totally agree that his privacy should have been protected. He made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes, and none of us would want our mistakes to be public entertainment. Naming him is like punishing the blond because her ex- is sending nude photos around. Talk about punish the victim.


whether or not it's real - i think it was pretty piss poor that they outed the engineer - that was a low blow.

What's at fault here is Apple's draconian corporate secrecy. A charitable interpretation is that by naming the individual, he may gain some protection from the galactically famous Wrath of Steve. Now that the story has made the nightly news, Apple may be a bit more humane. Should he suddenly become unemployed or unemployable, the public will know and Apple will look bad—on the nightly news. They want to make devices 'for everyone' not just techies, they're going to have to treat their employees better.

Does anyone really think Gizmodo are that clever? Time will tell. Maybe they're experimenting to see what happens, you know, for the next time. Maybe they think he's a gonner and naming him can't hurt his position any more with Apple.

What makes Gizmodo look bad is that they knew that the phone was 'lost' and they knew the 'owner'. If they'd offered to return it before Apple came after it, they would have come up smelling roses. Of course they might have had to examine the device and take a few pictures "to determine who the owner was". Call it a finder's fee.

Lutze
22nd April 2010, 01:24 AM
I almost agree with everything you just said.

1 tiny thing. A question i hear a lot is "how does Apple get so much free press?". The answer is, partly at least, due to the corporate security that keeps new stuff like this under wraps.

Money cannot buy this. So, this is how they have learnt to work, to get the best advantage.

And it would be extremely foolish to suggest that the security stance taken by Apple is not for good reason. HP, Dell, M$ and google would all love to know what's cooking in the Cupertino toy factory.

gehenna
22nd April 2010, 01:30 AM
HP, Dell, M$ and google would all love to know what's cooking in the Cupertino toy factory.

It's all very Willy Wonka and his chocolate factory isn't it?! Create products everyone wants, develop a track record of quality and style, consistently keep your mouth shut until release and let the fever pitch build on its own steam. Genius, pure genius.

Balthazar
22nd April 2010, 05:41 AM
What's at fault here is Apple's draconian corporate secrecy.

Come on now, We all love it and you have to admit it!!! (Besides that point they have every right to be as secretive as they want, they are a business not a charity)

We are the Junkie, they are the dealer.

Who here is excited if this is the phone, but.... somewhat disappoint at the same time because all the surprises keynote are now ruined.

Lets all get off Gizmodo's back, everyone knows they have always been the retard cousin to "real" tech blogs like Ars Technica. They are tabloid and they dish up what the readers want, short, cheap, sensationalist articles with lots of pictures and little thought power required.

iMic
22nd April 2010, 05:59 AM
Who here is excited if this is the phone, but.... somewhat disappoint at the same time because all the surprises keynote are now ruined.

Definitely guilty as charged. As i've said over and over, if this is the next iPhone then i've found my upgrade, hands down. It ticks all the boxes (particularly in body construction) and several extras on top. That said I would have preferred waiting for keynote night to find it out.

As long as there's still a WWDC live feed party i'm cool with it.

If i'd said that on any other forum, i'd probably get grilled. We're all Apple geeks here though... right? :)

Alec Fraser
22nd April 2010, 09:40 AM
It's all very Willy Wonka and his chocolate factory isn't it?! Create products everyone wants, develop a track record of quality and style, consistently keep your mouth shut until release and let the fever pitch build on its own steam. Genius, pure genius.

You left out the few little leaks to whip the nerds into a frenzy ;)

Balthazar
22nd April 2010, 09:42 AM
It's all very Willy Wonka and his chocolate factory isn't it?! Create products everyone wants, develop a track record of quality and style, consistently keep your mouth shut until release and let the fever pitch build on its own steam. Genius, pure genius.

That, and the fat German kids stuck in the piping in Cupertino Campus and strange organe midgets running the show behind the scene's.

Rant
22nd April 2010, 11:17 AM
It's a pity Willy Wonka didn't spring for Find My iPhone for their staff, then they would have been able to locate it immediately. Unless they didn't want to find it… That settles it, I'm convinced it's Apple misdirection (like the iSlate thing before CES).

As for "draconian corporate secrecy"—

Come on now, We all love it and you have to admit it!!! (Besides that point they have every right to be as secretive as they want, they are a business not a charity)

What I meant by draconian secrecy was how they punished their staff, not the secrecy itself, that's fair enough. Apple lose enough intellectual property when their stuff goes to market and all the 'big companies' steal Apple's ideas.

What sucks is the 'you stuff up, you're dead to me' policy, which appears to come straight from the head Wonka himself.

Sad really, such a contradiction, genius mind, emotional maturity of a 3 year-old. The Buddhist with the skin you like a V mentality.

[sorry, I've just spent the night rebuilding a crashed hard drive with half a backup—I called it the 'clean out you couldn't do yourself' in another thread]

MissionMan
22nd April 2010, 11:23 AM
It's a pity Willy Wonka didn't spring for Find My iPhone for their staff, then they would have been able to locate it immediately. Unless they didn't want to find it… That settles it, I'm convinced it's Apple misdirection (like the iSlate thing before CES).

As for "draconian corporate secrecy"—


What I meant by draconian secrecy was how they punished their staff, not the secrecy itself, that's fair enough. Apple lose enough intellectual property when their stuff goes to market and all the 'big companies' steal Apple's ideas.

What sucks is the 'you stuff up, you're dead to me' policy, which appears to come straight from the head Wonka himself.

Sad really, such a contradiction, genius mind, emotional maturity of a 3 year-old. The Buddhist with the skin you like a V mentality.

[sorry, I've just spent the night rebuilding a crashed hard drive with half a backup—I called it the 'clean out you couldn't do yourself' in another thread]

You've got to be kidding me? Do you mean that the guy shouldn't get fired for losing the phone?

This has the potential to cost the company millions of dollars and its not grounds for firing? This would be considered a fireable offence in any company I know.

MightyAtom
22nd April 2010, 11:23 AM
It's a pity Willy Wonka didn't spring for Find My iPhone for their staff, then they would have been able to locate it immediately. Unless they didn't want to find it… That settles it, I'm convinced it's Apple misdirection (like the iSlate thing before CES).

Find My iPhone is broken in OS 4.

Balthazar
22nd April 2010, 11:26 AM
What I meant by draconian secrecy was how they punished their staff, not the secrecy itself, that's fair enough.

They haven't punished him yet, not that ive heard anyway.

And regardless of that, if by punish you mean "Fire" they are again well within their rights if he broke contractual agreement by removing the phone from his place of work... but again this hasn't been established

... he will be lucky to not have charges up against him if he has broken his contract.

Im not sure where this urban legend of Apple punishing staff who leak came from.

All we have to go on is NDA's journalists sign that are indeed extreme in the measure they go to, to ensure their products don't leak.

(btw, i dont mean to pick on you Rant, a lot of people are making these assumptions.)

Lutze
22nd April 2010, 11:32 AM
It's a pity Willy Wonka didn't spring for Find My iPhone for their staff, then they would have been able to locate it immediately. Unless they didn't want to find it… That settles it, I'm convinced it's Apple misdirection (like the iSlate thing before CES).


This has been nagging at me as well.

1. Apple really let an unsecured iPhone V4 out of the office?
2. Apple didn't use corporate security settings to stop facebook apps?
3. Apple let it run without it requiring a passcode?
4. Apple did not try to track it down - they killed it. They could easily have sent a message to it, alarmed it etc.

I think that this is a little game for Apple.

NathR32
22nd April 2010, 11:56 AM
If this isn't a setup, and Apple really are the victims here, is anyone worried that this may cause a change of design or delay in release?

I mean, Apple love to be secretive, and go all out on announcing and showing off new products. This really puts a dampen on the whole surprise and wonder of a new device being shown properly for the first time.

I really don't know if how many prototypes they have, and if this is already in production, I don't think they could change the design now, but wonder how the release will be, after everyone in the world has seen it inside and out.

WindowsVista
22nd April 2010, 11:59 AM
The home of quality journalism.

Fair point.
I mean after all, "the front camera is for skyping"
Wonder if Steve will mention anything about the fiasco at WWDC.

MightyAtom
22nd April 2010, 12:50 PM
I really don't know if how many prototypes they have, and if this is already in production, I don't think they could change the design now, but wonder how the release will be, after everyone in the world has seen it inside and out.

ID is an iterative process, they will have dozens of completed designs for this iPhone. I'd suspect they haven't started production just yet and there'd be a small windows for them to change the final design.

LithgowLights
22nd April 2010, 04:11 PM
Definitely guilty as charged. As i've said over and over, if this is the next iPhone then i've found my upgrade, hands down. It ticks all the boxes (particularly in body construction) and several extras on top. That said I would have preferred waiting for keynote night to find it out.


I agree in that I'm impressed with the phones looks. But having said that, we really dont know a lot about whats "under the bonnet" as such. There was a comment about the screen looked higher res, but until we see it in action we cant be sure. Yes it has a camera at the front. Yes it has a flash at the back and a beefier lens on it, but again, until we see it in action we dont know just how good it is.

We dont know what the processor really is, what RAM and what storage it has. I'm sure there will be plenty of things Apple can do to impress the rabbid dogs out there, and I really DO hope they have a sence of humor during the keynote and do something with the poor sod who lost it in the first place - I'd love to see him saying sorry while strapped to an upright cart Hannibal Lector style :)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/737/hanniballectersurvey.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/hanniballectersurvey.jpg/)

mallo
22nd April 2010, 05:18 PM
I agree in that I'm impressed with the phones looks. But having said that, we really dont know a lot about whats "under the bonnet" as such. There was a comment about the screen looked higher res, but until we see it in action we cant be sure. Yes it has a camera at the front. Yes it has a flash at the back and a beefier lens on it, but again, until we see it in action we dont know just how good it is.

We dont know what the processor really is, what RAM and what storage it has. I'm sure there will be plenty of things Apple can do to impress the rabbid dogs out there, and I really DO hope they have a sence of humor during the keynote and do something with the poor sod who lost it in the first place - I'd love to see him saying sorry while strapped to an upright cart Hannibal Lector style :)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/737/hanniballectersurvey.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/hanniballectersurvey.jpg/)

or, steve gets up an announces it, then hands of to the poor guy to do the demo.

Beau
22nd April 2010, 06:20 PM
Daring Fireball: Gizmodo and the Prototype iPhone (http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/gizmodo_prototype_iphone)

sleek881
22nd April 2010, 11:57 PM
iPhone is getting a lot of competition this year.

What do you think of the Dell Flash. running Android and it has 3.5" curved glass screen.

http://img.skitch.com/20100422-m7tat4ichyh4jxh1df1g6shnte.jpg