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MTBlogBot2000
28th January 2010, 05:46 AM
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://apple.com/ipad"><img class="size-full wp-image-4606 aligncenter" title="dimensions_20100127" src="http://www.mactalk.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dimensions_20100127.jpg" alt="dimensions_20100127" width="585" height="336" /></a></p>

So the Apple event came and gave us the iPad (yes iPad). Apple's tablet computer.

Here's the vital specs:
<ul>
<li>9.7" IPS (high quality) panel.</li>
<li>Apple made, 1GHz "A4" CPU</li>
<li>Multi-touch screen</li>
<li>Unibody construction - 725g / 13.4mm thick</li>
<li>10 hours battery life (1 month standby time)</li>
<li>802.11n/Bluetooth/Compass/GPS</li>
<li>Separate 3G model available (unlocked, no SIM at launch)</li>
<li>16GB/32GB/64GB</li>
<li>Apple case, iPad Camera Connection Kit, keyboard dock and syncing dock announced</li>
<li>VGA output cable</li>
<li>App Store</li>
<li>iPhone apps run fine in letterbox mode, or double size</li>
<li>iBook Store (to purchase eBooks)</li>
<li>Available in 60 days time (wi-fi model), 90 days time (3G model) - worldwide</li>
<li>Syncs with iTunes</li>
</ul>
<strong>Pricing</strong>
<em> 16GB:</em> Wi-fi, US$499 - 3G, US$629
<em> 32GB:</em> Wi-fi, US$599 - 3G, US$729
<em> 64GB:</em> Wi-fi, US$699 - 3G, US$829

Apple describes it as a hybrid of the iPhone and MacBook. Apple built all the software, all the hardware (CPU, chipset) and the backend stores. <a href="http://apple.com/ipad">For the full details, visit the Apple website.</a>

Not up on the Apple Store yet, but when it is, <a href="http://www.s2d6.com/x/?x=c&z=s&v=936507">visit the Apple online store via the MacTalk affiliate link to order!</a>

bolle
28th January 2010, 06:01 AM
looks a fantastic device. Pity my phone now does most of that stuff

Jourdan
28th January 2010, 06:05 AM
I notice it doesn't have a stocks app. Is this the end of mandatory apple apps?

chrome
28th January 2010, 06:07 AM
large border is large!

nbetts
28th January 2010, 06:10 AM
So GSM? no 3G? thats an odd decision for a mobile email and web device really.

Correction the specs site says 3G. i just heard internet chatter about GSM.. so pleased with that and now go back to peeing my pants

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 06:12 AM
large border is large!

Need somewhere to hold it without touching the screen.

Nisstrust
28th January 2010, 06:21 AM
Looks awesome! cant wait to get one, will put in an order straight away for the 3G wifi 64gb model.

No Mac Book Pro upgrades or new Mac Pros?

Bastard Sheep
28th January 2010, 06:22 AM
If you scroll down to the bottom of the apple website (Apple - iPad - Features - The best device for web, email & photos. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)) it says ibooks are US only. Any ideas how long this will be?

As I just said on twitter, Mobile companies are going to need to start offering multi-sim plans for consumers VERY soon. One voice/data sim for phones, data (and/or dongle) for laptops, data for ebook readers. I'm also very surprised we are yet to see cameras with either sim card slots or that link via bluetooth to phones for automatic uploading.

Is anyone else expecting a $200-$500 markup for the Aus version despite the strong AUD?

Also, is there any word on how the ebook digital restrictions management will work? Currently (and for the last 5 or so years) standard ebook digital rights mangler has been MUCH more restrictive than music DRM. If it's anything like music DRM I'll consider it, if it's anything like Amazon/Kindle, I'm out.

KaitoYamaro
28th January 2010, 06:23 AM
I'm quite disappointed, too iPhony for me, nothing really revolutionary...

And it sucks they didn't give any details about the new iPhone OS, new features, anything.

bawpcwpn
28th January 2010, 06:25 AM
I have a feeling they will be $749, $849 and $949 for the WiFi versions considering the Mac Mini's are priced at $599 and $799 US for two models and they are $849 and $1049 AUD respectively.

nibbles
28th January 2010, 06:25 AM
On the picture above where it has the side, what is the black item, is it a button? also on the bottom to the right of the dock connector what are those 3 holes

macuzer
28th January 2010, 06:26 AM
Ahh yes - pretty much nailed it with my December predictions:


The Apple Tablet will of course NOT be just a big iPod Touch. It will, however, borrow a lot of the Touch interface which has made the iPod/iPhone stand out from all the other terrible phone interfaces around.

- Yes


The other feature it will 'borrow' from the iPod are the 90,000 applications already available - these will run straight on the Tablet, meaning an incredible amount of software available on launch day.

- correct (even more apps aparenlty)


But of course there will be much more to the tablet. It will be ultra-thin and light, with a solid-state drive, probably in a 64GB or 128GB version.

- well, 16, 32 or 64 versions.


It will run iWork and iLife etc. but the OS will be a hybrid Touch/Snow Leopard version to make it easier to use as a portable - one of the shortcomings of most of the netbooks (think small square icons as per the iPhone).

Yep - spot on.


While the Tablet will allow you to do basic work tasks and net browsing etc. it will be largely aimed at the iTunes and iBook environment - portable movies/downloadable content and the subscription based digital books/newspapers etc.

- Exactly what it's aimed at.


Overall I expect Apple to produce an excellent 'marriage' of the hardware and software interface for this device

- Turns out they developed both software and hardware (including processor)


Wondering what it will be called?... I'm going for 'MacBook Touch'.... or possibly 'iBook':eek:

- OK, iPad as it turned out, but the store is called the iBooks store.
not too bad.

jack112006
28th January 2010, 06:28 AM
I am almost certain I will pick up one of these. It is better than what I was expecting. It fills the space that I needed to. Apple has truly created something amazing in the iPad. The name still sucks though.

glitch
28th January 2010, 06:30 AM
Yes, it just seems like a big clunky iPhone - thats not a phone. Not enough space to hold your content, so photos and movies look amazing but you have to choose which ones you want to take with you. Same with music. Pointless at home if you have a MB or MBA.

I predict there will an incredible amount of these damaged and destroyed too, they will slip, fall, get dropped, sat on etc very easily.

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 06:32 AM
On the picture above where it has the side, what is the black item, is it a button? also on the bottom to the right of the dock connector what are those 3 holes

Assuming volume & silent switch.
The holes are the speaker.

thenewblack
28th January 2010, 06:39 AM
large border is large!

Yep, WAY too much border I reckon. Of course you've got to be able to hold the thing - but I don't plan on doing so while wearing gardening gloves!

BLINDER
28th January 2010, 06:39 AM
Personally I think this will become the new game changer.
Content will spring up very quickly - especially word and picture based stuff that will be easily seen, read, and even heard, on this device. iPods and iPhones are pretty useless at reading tasks and web-surfing (IMO). This changes the game.
It looks lovely, and once again, it prob looks even better in the flesh.
It'll drop in price quickly enough.
iTunes will rapidly support - store-wise - published material (the stuff you're used to reading). That material will become far better integrated for the multi-media world (and I want to be a part of that!).

iCameron
28th January 2010, 06:41 AM
I personally have no use for this device. I have a MBP, and an iPhone and a MacBook Air for travelling and couch surfing.

Just seems like a big iPod touch for me, nothing of use. and it will never run anything but the iPhone OS

semaja2
28th January 2010, 06:42 AM
iPad also comes with Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR, which lets you connect to devices like wireless headphones or the Apple Wireless Keyboard.

Now this makes it perfect for uni students IMO, allowing students a light weight ebook reader and laptop (pages) so with the iPad case setup to show landscape view, carry your keyboard (fairly light weight and small) simply setup quick and easy too

Dust For Eyes
28th January 2010, 06:43 AM
The SMH has a video excerpt from the keynote showing the reveal of the iPad (http://media.smh.com.au/technology/tech-talk/apple-ipad-tablet-unveiled-1072114.html).

Jobs is looking healthier too by the way.

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/01/28/1072121/a3-600x400.jpg

grorr76
28th January 2010, 06:44 AM
Im sold mid range non 3g version coming my way.

Jaydos
28th January 2010, 06:50 AM
Any idea when the keynote presentation will be up for it?

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 06:51 AM
It may just be a big iPhone in theory, but the killer feature (like the iPhone) will be it's app store.

There's nothing stopping companies like Microsoft from making a touch based Office suite of apps (Word, Excel, Etc.)

Market Circle's Billings app for iPhone is great, imagine what they could do with the iPad.

Just because it's tied down to the app store doesn't mean it's limited, just means companies need to pull their finger out and create the software.

NORMANDY
28th January 2010, 06:53 AM
it will be a great device, if and when the telcos in this country allow good 3G data packs for it, till then it will suck.

personally having a iphone and a macbook pro and a imac and a Mac pro.. I cant see a use for this in my work or home... I am sure it will find its niche.. I just don't see it flying off the shelfs like the iphone did or does...

titan44
28th January 2010, 06:54 AM
If you scroll down to the bottom of the apple website (Apple - iPad - Features - The best device for web, email & photos. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)) it says ibooks are US only. Any ideas how long this will be?

Don't stress to much, the iPad supports .epub ebook format, same as most of the other e-ink ebook readers, there's heaps of .epub content floating around.

thenewblack
28th January 2010, 06:55 AM
The SMH has a video excerpt from the keynote showing the reveal of the iPad (http://media.smh.com.au/technology/tech-talk/apple-ipad-tablet-unveiled-1072114.html).

. . . preceded by a Microsoft ad.

jastormont
28th January 2010, 06:55 AM
I think it should be called the Apple Iflop!

I am positive this thing will be a failure and will be similar to the G4 Cube.

It has no real need or function IMHO.

The most interesting thing is the Apple chip inside it. :)

NORMANDY
28th January 2010, 06:58 AM
and the latest in... not in Australia for some months yet... and no 3g model for australia .... great huh.. Australia gets shafted again...

BLINDER
28th January 2010, 06:59 AM
Stupid question but I don't know about this stuff - What does the 3G enable it to do?

DaveOZ
28th January 2010, 07:00 AM
Stupid question but I don't know about this stuff - What does the 3G enable it to do?

Internet access while out and about without relying on WiFi.

iCameron
28th January 2010, 07:00 AM
Stupid question but I don't know about this stuff - What does the 3G enable it to do?

So far...

- Assisted GPS
- Downloading books/movies/etc.
- Web browsing
- Internet connectivity ONLY in Apps

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 07:01 AM
Stupid question but I don't know about this stuff - What does the 3G enable it to do?

Data connection on the go, without the need to find a Wi-Fi hotspot.

tcn33
28th January 2010, 07:04 AM
I think it should be called the Apple Iflop!

I am positive this thing will be a failure and will be similar to the G4 Cube.

It has no real need or function IMHO.

Where have I heard that before... oh yeah:


I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5285&postcount=13

jastormont
28th January 2010, 07:11 AM
Where have I heard that before... oh yeah:



Mac Forums - View Single Post - Apple's New Thing (iPod) (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5285&postcount=13)

Well I feel that this is different though as we have the iPhone and it was not the size of this.

Byron Creek
28th January 2010, 07:11 AM
I only need to know one thing...will the bluetooth enable me to tether my iPhone? If so then put me down for a 64GB wifi version right now!

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 07:19 AM
Please please please allow tethering.
I've got 2GB on my iPhone plan that's going unused, I don't need another data plan...

petersracing
28th January 2010, 07:20 AM
Please please please allow tethering.
I've got 2GB on my iPhone plan that's going unused, I don't need another data plan...

Exactly. Tethering will be the decision maker for me.

ffkain
28th January 2010, 07:23 AM
watching macbreak weekly right now, ryan block said he checked the "about" of the ipad and it says iphone 3.2 for the firmware.

Actually this is the device i've been waiting for, lately i've felt the iphone is just abit to small for some of the stuff i want to do.



and the latest in... not in Australia for some months yet... and no 3g model for australia .... great huh.. Australia gets shafted again...

unless i read the live blogs wrong, nobody has it right now and it would be available worldwide in 60 days. Yes we won't be getting the 3g version until June/July but i fail to see how Australia is getting shafted by this.

semaja2
28th January 2010, 07:27 AM
My wish list for the iPad (Next Version)

- System to tether(wifi/bt/cable) the iPhone to the iPad allowing the use of the iPhones 3G(Who wants to pay for 2 net connections), Camera, GPS. I say this because seriously who goes somewhere with out their iPhone but would go with their iPad
- Add a camera ;) hopefully a high definition just to shutup complaints about that in the future
[START RANT]
- REFINE THE UI!!!! seriously guys who thinks for the main part the iPhone interface sucks C***, the home screen really does just look like a stretched iPhone, and smaller elements reference the old iphone screen design (context menu in mail, map mode in maps)

Also while the OS interface remains the same and the app is still framed by a unified interface, why are all Apple apps failing to follow each others design guidelines (I would of thought all Apple apps would look the same to make it easier to use/learn)

[END RANT]

ruegen
28th January 2010, 07:29 AM
The SMH has a video excerpt from the keynote showing the reveal of the iPad (http://media.smh.com.au/technology/tech-talk/apple-ipad-tablet-unveiled-1072114.html).

Jobs is looking healthier too by the way.

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/01/28/1072121/a3-600x400.jpg

I am very happy to see that he has improved too!

jastormont
28th January 2010, 07:32 AM
My wish list for the iPad (Next Version)
[START RANT]
- REFINE THE UI!!!! seriously guys who thinks for the main part the iPhone interface sucks C***, the home screen really does just look like a stretched iPhone, and smaller elements reference the old iphone screen design (context menu in mail, map mode in maps)

Also while the OS interface remains the same and the app is still framed by a unified interface, why are all Apple apps failing to follow each others design guidelines (I would of thought all Apple apps would look the same to make it easier to use/learn)

[END RANT]

Because all it is, is a big iPhone that can read books.

Byron Creek
28th January 2010, 07:33 AM
Please please please allow tethering.
I've got 2GB on my iPhone plan that's going unused, I don't need another data plan...

I have thought about this if there is no tethering. My 3 iPhone plan comes with 250MB data and I've added an extra 1GB for $10. Only need that extra gig for tethering to my MacBook Air. Sooooo...cancel that extra gig and hopefully I can get similar rate for the iPad. Hopefully no extra overall cost, or cost neutral in corporate speak!

stab
28th January 2010, 07:37 AM
"don't worry, it'll sell" Todd Samson, 7pm project 27/1/10

What will be interesting to watch is the niche this device will find.
Many Mac users once thought they would have no place for an 'Apple-branded phone' and now most of them have an iPhone.
But this sits between the iphone and osx computer.
Given that Palm's failed 'Foleo' device was an attempt to fill the niche between phone and computer, it will be interesting to observe exactly how this device will acheive that.

Certainly with the keyboard attachment, you have a great student's machine (my 10 year old said he'd like it for his highschool years!).

The question is how they will sell this to those of us who have an iphone and a mac. (or Google phone and Wintel box).

All that being said, those of us ancient enough to know StarTrek TNG will have seen this device before - as crew members wandered the ship with a 'pad' AND those crew members had a desktop terminal in their cabins too - so given this maybe there WILL be a niche for it ;-)

MrJesseRoss
28th January 2010, 07:39 AM
Looks pretty good to me. Some nice features, good design, and likely to be the standard to beat within months.

I like the recycling of the iBook name as well. Much more suitable.

eron
28th January 2010, 07:39 AM
Any idea when the keynote presentation will be up for it?

I'm waiting for it too. Normally it will be available either on the US apple site, or podcast.

--
Dunno what DAC it has. Audiophiles have been waiting to see if this can be their next best portable source. If it has USB connection, then it already is, as people connect a portable external DAC.

Joey1983
28th January 2010, 07:41 AM
Anyone else thinking unibody iPhone come June?
Does look good.

ruegen
28th January 2010, 07:44 AM
How long until Skype releases a tiny camera built into a tiny dock connector adapter that goes with their skype app?

coljac
28th January 2010, 07:59 AM
I'm a slight iPad skeptic. I think it will be a cool device to play with, but I don't have a use for it.

I see this thing being perfect for when I'm at home casually surfing the web on the couch, but I'm not going to buy a new device just for that. Otherwise, it inhabits a grey zone between when the iPhone and a laptop are appropriate, and I need both of those. What I wonder is how many people aren't in that category.

The over-the-top effusiveness of the iPad video "it's magical", "order of magnitude better", isn't convincing. I especially challenge the idea that it's the best browsing experience you'll ever have. I type when I use the web. I cut and paste URLs and things. Plus I multitask. I can't see how the iPad can make those things better.

As for the e-reader, I personally think E-ink is the way to go. However, I admit that for a computer geek I have an unusually strong desire to get away from glowing LCD screens sometimes.

eaglesteve2
28th January 2010, 08:04 AM
I'm quite disappointed, too iPhony for me, nothing really revolutionary...

And it sucks they didn't give any details about the new iPhone OS, new features, anything.


I think otherwise. Being iPhony is precisely the attraction for me. Using Mac OS is bound to fail IMO.

semaja2
28th January 2010, 08:07 AM
Because all it is, is a big iPhone that can read books.

Well isnt that just a bit disappointing because this was supposedly a great innovation... not just a beefed up iPad.

I have nothing wrong with the device besides the camera (Think skype would be great for parents) and wish it had the features I listed.

As for people complaining about flash... I love it how apple dont want flash on the iPhone OS because it really is the first step to the death of flash, the less devices to support it will only speed up its death. If the iPhone OS supports flash then it will never die because if its supported it will be used.

MultiTasking would be great, the iPad is not a phone it isnt 100% battery limited this will be in docks more then someones pocket, im sure apple could invent a smart way to allow background proccesses. Maybe implement it like Push where when the App starts it asks if its ok to run in the background (sandboxed still) then if you want to stop it from running goto the settings.app and turn it off like push for that app.

PS. How will pages/numbers/keynote manage its files and transfers? does anyone know?

Nightbreed
28th January 2010, 08:20 AM
I'm really looking forward to the iPad. At the moment i use an Alienware 17" monster. It's about 8kg, hardly portable. I will still keep the beast for PC gaming and Blu-Ray authoring. But 90% of the time i use it to web surf on the couch. I can't even sit this beast on my lap. Too heavy and too hot. There is one App it must have before i buy one though.... A torrent client App...... that Apple will let me install . I d/l a hell of a lot of torrents (legal one of course :P )and there is no way i'm powering up the Alienware just to d/l a file. It may seem trivial to some, but i'm sure there are plenty here that would agree.

P.S disregard if there IS a torrent client App already :P

Nisstrust
28th January 2010, 08:23 AM
I am a total fan of the ipad! cant wait to jail break it, sit on the counch surf the net, and then multitask into another app, let alone tether it to a DSLR. Do all the other crazy things with it, multitouch, ips screen gimme..

decryption
28th January 2010, 08:25 AM
I'm really looking forward to the iPad. At the moment i use an Alienware 17" monster. It's about 8kg, hardly portable. I will still keep the beast for PC gaming and Blu-Ray authoring. But 90% of the time i use it to web surf on the couch. I can't even sit this beast on my lap. Too heavy and too hot. There is one App it must have before i buy one though.... A torrent client App...... that Apple will let me install . I d/l a hell of a lot of torrents (legal one of course :P )and there is no way i'm powering up the Alienware just to d/l a file. It may seem trivial to some, but i'm sure there are plenty here that would agree.

P.S disregard if there IS a torrent client App already :P

Run uTorrent/Transmission on a desktop Mac/PC and use a web interface to log in to the torrent client remotely and control your torrents. No need for a native torrent client on the iPad/iPhone!

WonderBoy
28th January 2010, 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by macuzer
"It will run iWork and iLife etc. but the OS will be a hybrid Touch/Snow Leopard version to make it easier to use as a portable - one of the shortcomings of most of the netbooks (think small square icons as per the iPhone)."

Yep - spot on.



Seeing as it doesn't run iLife, I'd hardly say this prediction was "spot on".

Abaddon
28th January 2010, 08:43 AM
Well interesting to say the least!

The name:

Using my amazing powers of 20/20 hindsight, the iPad name makes sense - keeps the family name as it were (ie, iPod, iPhone, iPad). But I still hate it. Enough people have made the sanitary pad jokes so I won't make another one, but jeez fellows!

As for the device itself, I would love to play with one, but at this stage I can't see me rushing out to buy it. The devil as they say is in the detail...I'll wait and see what others' experience is like before deciding. I'll need to know the Aus prices, connectivity (to other devices not just to internet), real battery life, storage options, etc. Basically what the limitations are (I know, hard to think there'll be some :D ). Still on the surface a lovely bit of kit!

Some other observations.

The A4 Chip came out of nowhere and I think it's as big a deal as the tablet itself. Very interesting to see where else Apple chips might end up.

The Map App: As far as I can tell it's Apple's own app, not Google Maps. Is this further evidence of a rift between the two companies?

Anywho, looking forward to seeing it 'in the flesh'.

jusrus
28th January 2010, 08:43 AM
Engadget Hands On video - looks like the UI/Apps are fast....

Apple iPad first hands-on! (update: video!) -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-first-hands-on/)

aafuss
28th January 2010, 08:48 AM
Not on Apple Australia-apple.com/au/ipad gives me a page nit found error.

TheKeddi
28th January 2010, 09:16 AM
I love it, I have been waiting for a bigger iPhone like machine,

I would have liked it if it had OSX but you can't have everything all the time!!!

I love the way ewe can use all the apps we already have, super cool,

I'm just as happy as a pig in shit at the moment!!!!!

Nightbreed
28th January 2010, 09:17 AM
I love it, I have been waiting for a bigger iPhone like machine,

I would have liked it if it had OSX but you can't have everything all the time!!!

I love the way ewe can use all the apps we already have, super cool,

I'm just as happy as a pig in shit at the moment!!!!!

Bahhhhh :P

Byron Creek
28th January 2010, 09:24 AM
I love it, I have been waiting for a bigger iPhone like machine,

I would have liked it if it had OSX but you can't have everything all the time!!!

I love the way ewe can use all the apps we already have, super cool,

I'm just as happy as a pig in shit at the moment!!!!!

It's pretty much what I was expecting, a big iPhone. And for the uses it is designed for, that is the way to go.

It looks like it does all the things I use a laptop for, I have a Mac Pro for all the heavy duty computer stuff. Things that I never do on a laptop anyway.
This device will have a place in my hands!
My only complaint is that the name sucks!!

I want to know the Australian release date, so I can start counting down the days! :laugh:

aafuss
28th January 2010, 09:37 AM
The keyboard dock should work well with tne iPad-the keyboard design is like the aluminium keyboard.

rrs
28th January 2010, 09:40 AM
I love it. I bought my MacBook 2 years ago, but if this was available then I would have bought an iPad. All my hardcore work is done on my iMac and my Macbook is just for Mail, internet and the odd simple game.

I don't need a camera, but I am a bit perplexed at why it's missing.

iryan
28th January 2010, 10:16 AM
It's a nice product, but.... it's not going to go so well I think, think Apple TV, lots of people bought it, and it's still being made but its the underdog of Apple products and this is what I think will happen to the iPad (or perhaps "iFad"). I am dumbfounded as to why Mac OS X was not put on this; then it would be a proper tablet, not a giant iPod touch. This thing will go the way of the Apple TV, if I doesn't then I'll eat my words.

Dust For Eyes
28th January 2010, 10:17 AM
I wonder if the keyboard dock will work with an iPhone/Touch.

Also, since you can use an external keyboard on the iPad, I wonder if you can use a mouse or if you're meant to touch the screen.

eddieaus
28th January 2010, 10:17 AM
no Adobe Flash, no deal for me.

Nisstrust
28th January 2010, 10:18 AM
It's a nice product, but.... it's not going to go so well I think, think Apple TV, lots of people bought it, and it's still being made but its the underdog of Apple products and this is what I think will happen to the iPad (or perhaps "iFad"). I am dumbfounded as to why Mac OS X was not put on this; then it would be a proper tablet, not a giant iPod touch. This thing will go the way of the Apple TV, if I doesn't then I'll eat my words.

Can the comment about the apple TV be substantiated? curious...

iryan
28th January 2010, 10:23 AM
Can the comment about the apple TV be substantiated? curious...
yes it can, I realise that apple TV sales have picked up quite a lot recently, but even Jobs himself referred to it as a "hobby" and it remains the Apple product that not many people buy (compared to Macs, iPods and iPhones) and thats exactly what I think the iPad is going to be, a product that will be for enthusiasts, hobbyists and people who work for AusPost and utilities, not regular people. I don't see a great use for this device other than iWork, it should've had OS X on it. But, its yet to be fully unveiled so I might change my mind after I see its full potential, that or could be completely wrong if what people said about iPods is anything to go by, we'll have to wait and see ;)

uncyherb
28th January 2010, 10:30 AM
no Adobe Flash, no deal for me.

Can I ask why?

What is it that has Flash that you desperately require?

{This isn't a smart arsed q, just a q trying to understand where this position comes from}

tcimac
28th January 2010, 10:32 AM
I dont get the point of 16/32/64 GB - I have a netbook at home that has a 160gb HD.

Is it because of the thickness (13.4mm) that limits the size of the drive?

eaglesteve2
28th January 2010, 10:34 AM
I believe the notebook uses harddisk rather than SSD. Perhaps the biggest SSD capacity is 64GB at the moment.

Matt08
28th January 2010, 10:35 AM
Wow, what a fail.
I was expecting much more - even the frame of the thing looks strangely odd.

Apple may do a lot of things great, but if its one thing they fail on - its putting the right ports in their machines. They try to be different, but look stupid doing so.

Playing with the real thing, at the moment, is the only way its going to persuade me. But i bet the price will be ridiculous here in Australia anyway, so not worth it, i believe.

eaglesteve2
28th January 2010, 10:39 AM
I think the frame makes perfect sense. I was initially hoping to see no bezel. But then if you think about it again, how can you hold a touch screen tablet and not triggering unwanted gesture with that design in both landscape and portrait mode?

MissionMan
28th January 2010, 10:48 AM
The device makes a lot of sense. It probably provides what most people will need in a netbook. It won't replace laptops, but then again, I don't think it was ever designed to do that. For people who don't carry laptops to work, its something small and light you can carry with you.

I think its going to appeal to the netbook market and those people who don't have laptops and need flexibility for public transport or trips away. Realistically most of those people don't need a full laptop and don't want to spend the sort of money that a macbook air costs.

If I didn't have a laptop for work, its probably something I'd look at.

eaglesteve2
28th January 2010, 11:01 AM
It would make no sense to have a SMALL notebook, but I can see myself buying a high powered large screen notebook (which is a PORTABLE desktop replacement) in addition to using iPad. If I travel overseas for an extended period, I might want to consider bringing my large notebook for iTune syncing, for playing my DVD, for using websites that requires Flash, etc. But iPad would be what I carry around on a day to day basis, together with my iPhone.

soulman
28th January 2010, 11:11 AM
Perhaps the biggest SSD capacity is 64GB at the moment.Single SSDs are up to 256GB now at least. I have a 160GB Intel in my Mac Pro. It's price & practicality I think.

SilverJ
28th January 2010, 11:18 AM
8 Things That Suck About the iPad - apple ipad - Gizmodo (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad)
The article above makes a lot of sense, and summarises some very valid reasons as why it's uses are limited.

I'll be saving my money for the new iPhone this year and possibly a Mac Pro to replace my MacBook Por. Since I already own an iPhone 3G S, I feel as though I have the majority of the features of the iPad, just with a smaller screen.

Sorry Apple, you won't be getting my money this time.

It's great to see Steve looking healthier though!

petersracing
28th January 2010, 11:21 AM
While a lot of focus has been put on roaming portable use (netbook alternative) I think it might be an awesome device around the home. Imagine an AMX with browser and mail capability and extensible by adding apps to manage environmental and security systems. Eyetv and Icetv are there now. with 3G and a VPN you get to manage the home if you take it with you. It's a niche that logitech and others are operating in in a very narrow manner which this device could easily surpass.

younge
28th January 2010, 11:34 AM
This device is the biggest wank since my 8AM sabbatical this morning!!! Absolute guff.

If you've got a spare six hundred-odd dollars to spend on an iTurd then I suggest do something better with that money and donate it to the people of Haiti!!!

ZeMule
28th January 2010, 11:35 AM
Keynote up and running...
Apple Special Event Keynote (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1001q3f8hhr/event/index.html)

The_Hawk
28th January 2010, 11:37 AM
I want to play with one, don't know if I have a use for it... but defiantly want to play with it.

Lets face it, it's a big iPod Touch/iPhone with a few more applications (which may or may not end up on the iPhone anyway). The screen would be kick arse for video and all that on the train, assuming it can sync easily enough with your main computer yeah... but do I really want to carry my laptop, my iphone AND an iPad? For someone who doesn't have a laptop I think it fits in the same category as a netbook... not a real full time computer, but more than enough to keep you connected and entertained when your travelling.

I want it to be able to tether to the iPhone for internet connectivity rather that use it's own built in 3G modem but it's unsure if it can... lets face it, why do I need or want to pay for ANOTHER 3G data connection when I already have two + a home connection.

It's a fancy shiny toy, which of course makes me want one, but at this stage I don't really know that I can justify it.

chris
28th January 2010, 11:37 AM
I wanted it to have a web cam for Skype - deal breaker for me.

MissionMan
28th January 2010, 11:42 AM
Single SSDs are up to 256GB now at least. I have a 160GB Intel in my Mac Pro. It's price & practicality I think.

Actually they're already up to 512GB. Toshiba and one or two other brands have 2.5" SSD's in 512GB and one company even has a 1TB one for commercial and military use.

Japester
28th January 2010, 11:47 AM
...thats exactly what I think the iPad is going to be, a product that will be for enthusiasts, hobbyists and people who work for AusPost and utilities, not regular people....

I think you're completely wrong. It's the geeks, the tech-heads who are complaining about it not being this or that. It's squarely aimed at average consumers. I think, like the iPod, it will take off.


Wow, what a fail.
I was expecting much more - even the frame of the thing looks strangely odd.

Apple may do a lot of things great, but if its one thing they fail on - its putting the right ports in their machines. They try to be different, but look stupid doing so....

Sounds like you're thinking of it as a laptop or netbook. Think simpler than these and you'll have it.


I think the frame makes perfect sense. I was initially hoping to see no bezel. But then if you think about it again, how can you hold a touch screen tablet and not triggering unwanted gesture with that design in both landscape and portrait mode?

Perfect! It has to be all the way around, because as Johnny Ivy said, "There's no wrong way to hold it". You need a thumb space on every edge.


This device is the biggest wank since my 8AM sabbatical this morning!!! Absolute guff.

If you've got a spare six hundred-odd dollars to spend on an iTurd then I suggest do something better with that money and donate it to the people of Haiti!!!

Why don't you explain yourself instead of leaving it as a generality? You're not contributing to the conversation.

You're probably not the target market, so let it go with good grace.


I want to play with one, don't know if I have a use for it... but defiantly want to play with it. ...

I want it to be able to tether to the iPhone for internet connectivity rather that use it's own built in 3G modem but it's unsure if it can... lets face it, why do I need or want to pay for ANOTHER 3G data connection when I already have two + a home connection....

I defiantly want to play with it too, if just to prove the naysayers wrong! :p

Tethering is something you would do from the iPhone end. In my case, I would pay Optus an extra $10 a month. Then the iPad would connect to the iPhone as if it were a regular base station.

tcn33
28th January 2010, 11:56 AM
I wonder if there'll be a yearly product cycle for iPad like there seems to be with iPhone, i.e every March there's a new iPad.

Japester
28th January 2010, 11:57 AM
I wonder if there'll be a yearly product cycle for iPad like there seems to be with iPhone, i.e every March there's a new iPad.

I expect so. If I replace my laptop with it, I can look forward to a yearly refresh instead of a 3-year one. Overall, it would probably cost the same.

imacattack
28th January 2010, 11:58 AM
I like it but then became disappointed as it has no camera nor mobile phone option so I may not even bother buying one as I reckon a year later it will have these options. :(

BLINDER
28th January 2010, 12:04 PM
I wonder if there'll be a yearly product cycle for iPad like there seems to be with iPhone, i.e every March there's a new iPad.

Looking forward to the 24inch iPad eh!?:D

Exocet
28th January 2010, 12:05 PM
I've bookmarked this thread for future hilarity.

See you all in 12-18 months.

DagrtheSnide
28th January 2010, 12:12 PM
I've bookmarked this thread for future hilarity.

See you all in 12-18 months.

Will Apple release an improve iPad with a camera then ?

Exocet
28th January 2010, 12:14 PM
Will Apple release an improve iPad with a camera then ?

I don't need a camera on my iPad, I already have an iPhone.

DagrtheSnide
28th January 2010, 12:17 PM
I don't need a camera on my iPad, I already have an iPhone.

Good for you :)

But that is the next stage in Apples product cycle isn't it ? stick some sort of camera or video device on the new improved version.

eaglesteve2
28th January 2010, 12:18 PM
If we go back to Steve Jobs' presentation, I think we can understand why there should be no camera. His design principal is it is meant to do things in a better way than either the notebook or the phone. Product of this size will not be a good camera or video recorder, or telephone - that's for the iPhone. If the next iPhone is at least 5MP with flash, then we don't need to see a camera for picture and video taking. However, a front camera might still make sense for people who wants to do video conferencing.

eddieaus
28th January 2010, 01:23 PM
Can I ask why?

What is it that has Flash that you desperately require?

{This isn't a smart arsed q, just a q trying to understand where this position comes from}

quite a few websites i visit daily have integrated flash video player, e.g engadget, ninemsn, facebook. i can understand iphone doesn't support Flash, but this ipad thing is a lot more powerful, lack of flash is very disappointing.

Exocet
28th January 2010, 01:32 PM
quite a few websites i visit daily have integrated flash video player, e.g engadget, ninemsn, facebook. i can understand iphone doesn't support Flash, but this ipad thing is a lot more powerful, lack of flash is very disappointing.
Flash is horrible, yes a lot of websites use it but they shouldn't. Read this:
Daring Fireball: Apple, Adobe, and Flash (http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash)

Ecto1
28th January 2010, 01:42 PM
So I was wondering, how will the 3G work? Will it be a switch in the settings so you can switch it off to use your wireless network at home and switch it on when you are out and about. Or will you be able to set the system to off the 3G when wifi is detected.

soulman
28th January 2010, 01:47 PM
Probably like it works on the iPhone I guess - it uses wifi when available and 3G when not.

uncyherb
28th January 2010, 02:04 PM
quite a few websites i visit daily have integrated flash video player, e.g engadget, ninemsn, facebook. i can understand iphone doesn't support Flash, but this ipad thing is a lot more powerful, lack of flash is very disappointing.

HTML5 (supported in Safari) will solve that problem pretty quickly. Any decent developer is already thinking about using HTML5 for the 'you don't have the flash player installed' message with a <video> tag.

Also, both Youtube, and Vimeo (engadget's favourite) are rolling out HTML5 video players, so that's going to be even simpler for most sites to integrate.

If it's just video you're worried about, I wouldn't worry much at all.

iryan
28th January 2010, 02:28 PM
I think i might have to eat my words on what I said earlier; this thing isnt shaping up to be as bad as I thought at first glance; I can kind of see the hole it fills and it might just be the thing...

DaveOZ
28th January 2010, 02:29 PM
I wonder if VM Ware can write a Fusion App to run Windows. :)

NORMANDY
28th January 2010, 02:42 PM
I just thought of something if I was teaching primary school kids or old age people about the internet, and how to send e-mail, surf the web and look at photos... this is the perfect device, no OS to worry about screwing up, no config etc.... simple, easy to use, with overhead of IT to worry about.

If I was going to an old age home to teach folks about using the internet, I would use this, NOT a computer or laptop.

I see this filling those sort of markets BIG time... watch this space in 12 months and see how many of these sell for those markets!

carlow1
28th January 2010, 03:14 PM
I assume that if you have a US iTunes store account you can use the iBook app and iBookstore. Is this correct?

Also with iPhone OS 4.0 due later this year I'm sure apple will introduce multitasking then. Maybe they hadn't got it ready on time to implement now just like they did with copy n paste and push.

kungfucamel
28th January 2010, 03:20 PM
i guess if the iBooks store isn't available in Australia by launch, you would be able to use the Kindle iPhone app to purchase ebooks and view them on the iPad... wonder how much of a difference the experience would be though.

tcn33
28th January 2010, 03:27 PM
I assume that if you have a US iTunes store account you can use the iBook app and iBookstore. Is this correct?

That's what I'm hoping. Even if we do get a local version of the iBookstore I fully expect the prices will be ridiculous.

The_Hawk
28th January 2010, 03:33 PM
Assuming it compete's in the Netbook market as a portable access device rather than a serious content creation device it is a great tool for those who don't have (or want) a laptop.

As someone who has both an iPhone and a MacBook Pro I don't see myself getting one (although the new shiny toy aspect is hard to look past) since I have both with me most of the time. The few times I don't have my MBP because I don't want to lug it around the iPhone is normally more than enough to get done what I need.

Niche uses like the meter man or someone who fills in standard forms that use tick boxes or basic entry fields will be dependant on someone designing an app specifically for use on this device (or via a web interface) and aren't really new. Been plenty of Windows Mobile implementations exactly along these lines already.

~Coxy
28th January 2010, 04:16 PM
I wonder if VM Ware can write a Fusion App to run Windows. :)

The CPU is very likely not x86, and it'd be too slow to run Windows acceptably anyway.

ozymandias
28th January 2010, 04:30 PM
8 Things That Suck About the iPad - apple ipad - Gizmodo (http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad)
The article above makes a lot of sense, and summarises some very valid reasons as why it's uses are limited.

I'll be saving my money for the new iPhone this year and possibly a Mac Pro to replace my MacBook Por. Since I already own an iPhone 3G S, I feel as though I have the majority of the features of the iPad, just with a smaller screen.

Sorry Apple, you won't be getting my money this time.

It's great to see Steve looking healthier though!

I have to agree, with Gizmodo etc, Apple really dropped the ball. I get why we want an app store for a specialised mobile device but the tablet should have been a true computer, heck it should run OSX.

I have so much software on my Macbook Pro, are you now telling me I need 3 variations of software to do the same thing. All I want to do is run certain project management software on it.

I also hate how on a device that should have been designed around the OSX Desktop platform, the closed file system. What the hell!!!

I think Apple just wanted something to fill the hype, it's will sell loads, and collect dust.

Exocet
28th January 2010, 04:54 PM
If you need to run specialised apps and require OS X, then this is not the device for you. Its very very simple.

Apple aren't about to cease production of the MacBooks and just create iPads. The software you "want to use" is not optimised or designed for the touch interface. OS X is not optimised or designed for a touch interface.

If the developers of the application you want see a significant enough market they will release a specific app for it and then everybody's happy.

Ecto1
28th January 2010, 05:23 PM
7 news have just reported that the iPad will start at $500 for the wifi model and the 3G model starting at $1000 in Australia. It kind of sounds right. Well, once you add GST.

ffkain
28th January 2010, 05:57 PM
Considering the hype around this before the launch I'm not surprised people are disappointed by this. I mean the night before the announcement alot of people were expecting an tablet with full OSX, plays HD Flash, able to use photoshop, cure aids, fix global warming and cost USD$800 while staying as thin as it is.

For me it's the almost perfect device to replace my macbook that i lug around. Right now all i use my macbook while i'm about is surf the net, read pdfs and do numbers. I can do this on the iphone as well but the screen size is too small for me alot of the times. I would've been happy with a 6inch of the iPad. And the price, i find it pretty reasonable for what it can do.

From reading the forums around the net, alot of haters (whom are different to those who just think it's not for them but see there is a market for this) assumptions seem to be if it's not designed for me it's the ultimate failure of a product. They seem to forget there is a alot of people in the world and their needs are different.

Ecto1
28th January 2010, 06:29 PM
So with the SDK now supporting the iPad, if you want to develop for both the iPad and the iPhone dose that man you'll have to make two versions? Or will the app support both and adjust on the fly depending on the device you are using it on.

kt_kez
28th January 2010, 06:41 PM
Are the connectors for SD cards and your camera vis USB the same as for the iPhone? Any chance you'll be able to use it with the iPod touch? or will it require a different photo app? If so, that could cut out the need for buying a netbook at all! I have to say that the Lenovo IdeaPad from CES shows more promise, even if the OS is not quite as slick as Apple's one.

macuzer
28th January 2010, 11:43 PM
As I've posted previously, this is not a geek device. It's (as someone else said) an Infotainment device. Consider now how many people sit around in the evening these days and use facebook, write emails, browse news sites etc. etc. The computer has left the geek behind in its dust and has become a fully accepted form of coolness, and a socially acceptable pass-time. The iPod was considered geeky when it launched, but soon was realised to be 'cool', and obliterated all those iRivers, Walkmans and Zunes in its wake, because of its incredible interface and stylish appearance. Yes, there will be be many imitators of this device running iWindows, but they just don't get it. 5% want a tinkering life of geekdom, but the other 95% want devices that just work - the technology does the hard yards so that you can sit back and use the device how you want to. :cool:

ruegen
28th January 2010, 11:49 PM
Noticed the iPad keyboard dock has no F (function) keys? Are there any other Apple hardware keyboards that have removed this yet? Personally glad they did this. No 'esc' key either...
http://www.ilounge.com/assets/images/reviews_apple/ipadfl/accessories/11.jpg
:)

glitch
29th January 2010, 08:03 AM
I also hate how on a device that should have been designed around the OSX Desktop platform, the closed file system. What the hell!!!
.

Its a purely business driven decision, it guarantees Apple a massive cash flow because everything is funnelled through the App store. Also their %'s on all the App store content is huge.

Had they designed it to run OSX then they would have lost control of much of the revenue and it would pass directly to 3rd party developers - just as happens now on your Mac.

Have a look in the presentation at the financials and you will understand why Apple locked the iPad down!

peterjcat
29th January 2010, 08:56 AM
Tethering is something you would do from the iPhone end. In my case, I would pay Optus an extra $10 a month. Then the iPad would connect to the iPhone as if it were a regular base station.

Unfortunately that's not how official tethering works -- if you enable tethering from the iPhone it will only work over USB or Bluetooth; the iPad does have Bluetooth but would need to have the right profiles enabled, and Apple in its wisdom might choose not to make it happen.

Only way to share the iPhone 3G connection over Wi-Fi is to jailbreak, and save yourself the $10.

NORMANDY
29th January 2010, 09:19 AM
The Apple iPad Is For Old People | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/01/the-apple-ipad-is-for-old-people/#more-380511)

it is for old people!

bigg
29th January 2010, 09:33 AM
100% agree with that article. The iPad is not to technogeeks.

Its for people who don't give a crap about virus/spy/etc

They just want email/web browser/music and pictures.

The iPad will be big.