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kyte
23rd October 2009, 06:55 PM
iPhone GPS Application Roundup

The apps being looked at today are those released for the Australian market, and readers from other countries may have a different experience of them. Additionally, they have been tested in and around Newcastle, NSW, which is a major regional centre north of Sydney. Readers from Australian capital cities may also have a different (and in some cases, more positive) experience.

The reason I am qualifying my remarks at the outset, is my discovery that it’s not only the application software which affects performance, but also the maps used, and how these maps are implemented within the software.

The apps I am looking at are: Sygic (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=319361043&mt=8), TomTom (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=326072238&mt=8), Navigon (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=322416630&mt=8), NDrive (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=332010002&mt=8) and Copilot (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=332576571&mt=8). Sygic and TomTom both use Sensis/Whereis (http://www.whereis.com/); Navigon, CoPilot and NDrive use Navteq (http://www.navteq.com/).

I think it’s a given that all of these applications will get you where you want to go, eventually. It's how they get you there, which is under scrutiny at this time.

Its always a difficult task to decide which particular features to take into consideration, so I am looking at the ones most commented on and requested in various forums I go to. These are not in any particular order of importance.


Text to Speech: Many people rely on this feature to navigate in unfamiliar territory. So it needs to be understandable, and approximately correctly pronounced, in order to be utilised fully.
iPod controls: Given that the iPod can be played in the background, on a longish trip it might be very useful to be able to listen to your music of choice as well as get instructions for your route. Music needs to fade in and out with the instructions, so that you don’t miss them, and ideally, the application should have built in controls, so you can make changes without exiting the GPS application. It should also pause, rather than continue playing. I listen to audiobooks, and a missing section would be a pest.
Speed and Red Light cameras: Should be visible on the map, and there should also be an audible warning (user selectable for sound and distance from target) available.
Over speed Limit warnings: Should be visible in a large font on screen and ideally there should be a user selectable sound for an audible warning.
Because in Australia there are speed limit changes around school zones, these should be built into the software as an addition, and audible warnings sounded on approach.
Interface: Some believe the UI should be all iPhone, others don't mind what its like, as long as it does the job.



Text To Speech
Text to Speech is only found in two of the applications at this time. The Navigon TTS engine is sophisticated and surpasses that of Sygic, which created such hilarity in my car, it had to be turned off. The other applications may provide TTS in the future, but this is unknown right now.

Update 26/10/2009: For the first time today, I tried the American TTS voices in Sygic and I was quite surprised at the results. For my ear, the best pronunciation comes from Ryan, who pronounced the names of roads nearly perfectly and at least as well as the Navigon voice. The American Heather did not do so well, and both the English voices failed magnificently. So, if you want TTS, switch to Ryan, and you'll be okay.

iPod Controls

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7016/navpod.jpg
Navigon: Full control from within the app. Note "Map" top left.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5111/ipodsygic.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/ipodsygic.jpg/)
Sygic, TomTom, CoPilot and NDrive: Partial control via double Home Button click (fast forward, back, pause). Taking the “iPod” option closes the GPS app to open iPod, GPS app then has to be manually reopened.

Speed Cameras

Navigon, NDrive and CoPilot: None, not visual or audible. This is not to say the capacity is not there, but rather that there is not enough information from the Navteq maps to allow the software to perform the task.

Sygic and Tomtom: Present in both apps, both visual and audible warnings. Only Sygic has user-selectable sound for the warning, plus the capacity to set distance from target as a trigger.

Over-Speed Warnings

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/664/sygic2d.jpg
Sygic: Visual and audible warnings with user-selectable sound. Note the visual ! as a badge over the road speed indicator.

Tomtom: Visual only; background behind speed info turns red and stays that way as long as you are overspeeding (eg 68/60)

Navigon, NDrive, CoPilot do not have road speed limit information for most Australian roads (tested on major highways north of Sydney) and so, although the capacity to warn is in the software, without the map info, none of these apps can perform the task required. Some people will comment that it works for them, and I would suggest that they are in Europe or North America or a metropolitan area, at the very least. Rural Australians will not see it working.

School Zones:

Navigon has visual indication of school locations, via POI system.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9612/sygicsounds.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/sygicsounds.jpg/)
Sygic has full information, also via POI, but with the capacity for the user to select a warning sound to be played at a user-selectable distance from target.

TomTom does not appear to have any school information (edit: well, actually, it does, and has from the beginning. dang!)

Update 25/10/09: Nobody challenged me on the Tomtom School Zone issue so I am assuming that nobody else found what I found just a few moments ago: Tomtom has schools included in its "Colleges and Universities" POI. I haven't activated it before, I did tonight, and there they were, all neat black and white icons. Still no warn option but its a start.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9879/ndriveschool.jpg
(http://img17.imageshack.us/i/ndriveschool.jpg/)NDrive has the tiniest icon which might or not be related to school, it seems to be a pencil...

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/522/copilotschool.jpg
(http://img12.imageshack.us/i/copilotschool.jpg/)CoPilot has school information available via an icon, and an audible warning which says “ATTENTION! Point of Interest!” in a peremptory tone, but with no indication exactly what kind of POI it is. The warning is the same for a school as it is for a petrol station, or a hospital.

Interface
Navigon and Tomtom use the iPhone UI to the max: Tomtom's is particularly attractive.
Sygic looks like a standard GPS application. The keyboard is too small, some say, but I don't mind it. Fonts in the latest version have been enlarged.
NDrive and Copilot use a non-standard for iPhone or dedicated GPS UI, though CoPilot pays homage in the use of the iPhone keyboard. The NDrive keyboard can be qwerty or abcde, depending on what you want.

Getting to where you need to go:

All applications perform as expected, for the most part. You will arrive at your destination at some time. If you test them out in familiar areas, you can compensate for each application’s shortcomings. The real test is to go somewhere you don’t know, and see what happens, or to deliberately force a route recalculation.

CoPilot: Smooth recalculation, and it doesn’t try to make you do U-turns in silly places.

Sygic: Fairly quick to recalculate for new routes.some report that its slow, and I have found it so once or twice but not overall.

Tomtom: Fairly quick to recalculate for new routes.

Navigon: Similar to both Sygic and Tomtom, recalculates well.

NDrive: Has some ridiculous instructions. For example, trying to make you turn left, then right over a median strip which has had a fence on it the last 8 years. The Navteq map NDrive are using appears to be very out of date, which makes it very easy to throw off course. Sometimes completely unable to recalculate a new route (even though it can pinpoint your location on the map), and on these occasions requires a restart of the application. When you restart it will ask if you want to continue on the same route, a nice touch.

Conclusions

For TTS: Navigon is best
For sheer customisability (is that a word?): Sygic is tops
For resting on its laurels: Tomtom: has the potential but for some reason TT refuses to even give the iPhone app the latest maps available to its dedicated devices.
For the brightest but most confusing interface: CoPilot. Too many options lie buried in menus and submenus. There’s little consistency, and the promise of in-app updates does not yet appeal.
For trying but falling short of the mark: NDrive. Nice interface, but without reliable navigation, it’s not a recommended buy at this stage. As updates are released, and they are promised for free, I would expect to see a vast improvement in performance.

As a postscript, Roadee (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=320421886&mt=8) should at least get a mention. Its $2.49 on the app store, comes with one robot voice which will direct you and read street names to you, and no maps. POIs much be searched for by name but there do seem to be quite a lot, you just can’t get a complete listing. Maps are downloaded on the fly, and new voices can be bought. The one complaint I had about it is that maps could not be stored. There was an update yesterday, which may well have addressed that issue, but because I am still on firmware 3.0.1, I can’t use it to find out. Navigationwise its ok, but having to download maps over and over is just ludicrous (and data-expensive)

Recommendations?
I’m reluctant to make recommendations (but I will). I think everyone is quite aware of my bias toward Sygic, its been full featured from the get-go. But if you are just looking for a very nice application which will get you from A to B with a stop off at d, e and f… pretty much any of the applications will do. It’s horses for courses as usual, and, that which appeals to one individual will be detested by another. If you want weather reports in your app: CoPilot. If you want traffic reports, no joy yet, although both Copilot and Ndrive have the capacity, just not the access to info. Check the table below, it might enlighten. Where I have "yes/no", it means capacity but lack of info for the software to use. Note that it only appears where Navteq is used.

In order of preference (from my biased point of view)

1)Sygic
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/664/sygic2d.jpg
(http://img29.imageshack.us/i/sygic2d.jpg/)
2)TomTom
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3375/tomtom1.jpg
(http://img97.imageshack.us/i/tomtom1.jpg/)
3)Navigon
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5891/navnav.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/navnav.jpg/)

4)CoPilot
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5772/copilot1.jpg
(http://img17.imageshack.us/i/copilot1.jpg/)
5)NDrive (gets lots of brownie points for its free updates to come)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9383/ndrive3d.jpg
(http://img199.imageshack.us/i/ndrive3d.jpg/)
6)Roadee (no screenie, sorry)

A Comparison Table of the applications as tested
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4883/gpstable.jpg

maclab
24th October 2009, 10:32 PM
Can you be listening to music and using the app at the same time with any?

bennettnz
24th October 2009, 11:15 PM
I've never used a navigation tool before so I'm a blind user but I chose Sygic because I thought the screen layout and maps looked the clearest and most understandable. Luckily I've enjoyed the app immensely and it has really added to my driving experience. There seems to be a lot of stuff I haven't explored in the app yet but overall I don't regret it at all. I find the voice really good and clear. Mounted on my dash it receives a very very strong constant signal and it's never lost it.

kyte
25th October 2009, 04:44 AM
Can you be listening to music and using the app at the same time with any?

I'm sorry, I thought that would be clear with the section on iPod controls. Yes, all of them (although I don't know about Roadee). They all fade in or out, or pause, whilst instructions are given.

eaglesteve2
25th October 2009, 06:47 AM
Excellent article. If I'm writing this article the conclusion will be exactly the same. I only have one point that I would differ slightly with the finding. It is, for TomTom the visual and audio warning for red light and speed camera would have received a yes/no rating from me instead of an ouright yes. I've found TomTom's to contain around just 60% of these information in my test. TomTom could NOT be relied upon to provide speed/red light camera warning wheras I can with Sygic.

Kite, another point worthwhile covering is the ability to specify tolerance for overspeeding (positive and negative tolerance, as an amount only or percentage). Also, the distance specification before audio warning for POI should deserve mention.

It may also be important for us to get a sense of roughly how yes/no a yes/no is when come to road speed information. Sygic and TomTom has close to 100% of such information. NDrive has probably 30 to 60%. Navigon had none. I'm speaking only based on my experience using it in Sydney though. I personally don't understand why Navigon is not giving a single instance of overspeeding warning. After all it's able to do that in the other countries. It is also using the same map used by NDrive and Ndrive could provide this warning. It seems that there is a disconnect between the Navigon and Navteq data somewhere.

maclab
25th October 2009, 09:12 AM
I'm sorry, I thought that would be clear with the section on iPod controls. Yes, all of them (although I don't know about Roadee). They all fade in or out, or pause, whilst instructions are given.

Hi, yep thats what I thought but just wanted to check.

thanks

Great review too...thanks :D

kyte
25th October 2009, 07:46 PM
Updated with Tomtom school zone info.

kyte
25th October 2009, 07:50 PM
I'm speaking only based on my experience using it in Sydney though.

Exactly. And I can't write anything about that because I did not test in Sydney. There won't be any set percentages, Steve, because clearly, the experience is different wherever you use the applications. So I will not go into that at all. Yes/No is adequate for the purpose at the moment.


Kite, another point worthwhile covering is the ability to specify tolerance for overspeeding (positive and negative tolerance, as an amount only or percentage). Also, the distance specification before audio warning for POI should deserve mention.

That much detail is more than I was prepared to put into a small roundup.


Hi, yep thats what I thought but just wanted to check.

thanks

Great review too...thanks :D

And thanks to you, too, for saying so, maclab :)

Geoff3DMN
25th October 2009, 07:57 PM
I agree with most of your points in your review but I ended up using Navigon because I use my iPhone for music in the car a LOT and I only use it for GPS occasionally and I didn't want to compromise my music listening :)

kyte
25th October 2009, 08:00 PM
I agree with most of your points in your review but I ended up using Navigon because I use my iPhone for music in the car a LOT and I only use it for GPS occasionally and I didn't want to compromise my music listening :)

Like I said... horses for courses :) But, to be honest, I don't feel compromised in my music listening by using any of the other apps.

eaglesteve2
25th October 2009, 11:14 PM
Kyte,

This is honestly the best review I've seen on Sat Nav for iPhone.

Great effort! I'm sure this will help others who are still trying to figure out what's the best package for them.

Luvlimum
27th October 2009, 11:08 PM
Bravo Kyte - What a fantastic review!! Thank you for going to all that trouble. I have been contemplating which one to buy now for a while. I am still leaning toward Sygic, but I might just wait a little longer. Just so you know I have no directional ability whatsoever. It took me 1.5 hours to get to Cranbourne (should have been 30 mins). from Boronia! tee hee. I am shocking and my Melways is in tatters under the car seat. In fact I think there are bits of it in all different places!

Now I need to find a proper plug in goose neck stand for the phone itself to suit new regs, AND one that will allow my to answer calls through car stereo, but my Stereo has no AUX - ergh! But that is another post!

Thanks again Kyte!
xxx

kyte
28th October 2009, 04:10 AM
Bravo Kyte - What a fantastic review!! Thank you for going to all that trouble. I have been contemplating which one to buy now for a while. I am still leaning toward Sygic, but I might just wait a little longer. Just so you know I have no directional ability whatsoever. It took me 1.5 hours to get to Cranbourne (should have been 30 mins). from Boronia! tee hee. I am shocking and my Melways is in tatters under the car seat. In fact I think there are bits of it in all different places!

Now I need to find a proper plug in goose neck stand for the phone itself to suit new regs, AND one that will allow my to answer calls through car stereo, but my Stereo has no AUX - ergh! But that is another post!

Thanks again Kyte!
xxx

Thank you for that :) and yeah if you take an hour to do a 30 minute trip, maybe a turn by turn is timely :)

I don't have an AUX plug either. The course of action I decided to take was a DLO vent mount (http://www.ow.com.au/shop/iPhone-Car-Accessories-Car-kit-holders/DLO-Vent-Mount-for-3G-iPhone) + Belkin Tunecast (http://bit.ly/3bNIht) (but I don't take calls on the road, and if I make them I just stop and unplug. Mildly inconvenient but oh well). You might want to consider Belkin TuneBase FM with Handsfree for iPhone - Apple Store (Australia) (http://bit.ly/UKvJ4)

kyte
28th October 2009, 04:11 AM
Kyte,

This is honestly the best review I've seen on Sat Nav for iPhone.

Great effort! I'm sure this will help others who are still trying to figure out what's the best package for them.

Thank you, Steve. Make sure you read the updated bits, too, as I make them

rocketxr
28th October 2009, 11:55 AM
And now it looks like Google are getting in on the act.
Google developing free navigation app? (http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/google-developing-free-navigation-app/)

kyte
28th October 2009, 04:41 PM
Interesting. But I wonder if it will be onboard or offboard. Like Roadee (offboard) downloads maps as you need them but doesn't store them, so you always have the latest. But for me the data cost would be prohibitive. I suspect Google will go that way also, as Motion-X has done as well, in the US, with its "DRive" app.

kyte
30th October 2009, 06:21 AM
For those who want to look at a far more comprehensive comparison chart than mine, and who might be hanging out for something like iGo or something else, I found this link this morning

iPhone Navigation App Comparison Chart (http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/iphone-navigation-app-comparison-xr5133.php)

kyte
30th October 2009, 09:43 PM
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andyrb
7th November 2009, 02:11 AM
Thanks for this thread. I've been looking to buy a GPS navigation app for a while and heard lots of good and bad things about each app. This, along with the comparison chart, has made it a bit clearer and answered a few questions.

Biggest issue I have is not being able to try out each app before buying it. I'm a big fan of lite versions, but obviously such a thing wouldn't really work for a nav app.

I'm mostly sold on the Sygic app I think.

kyte
7th November 2009, 07:24 AM
Thanks for this thread. I've been looking to buy a GPS navigation app for a while and heard lots of good and bad things about each app. This, along with the comparison chart, has made it a bit clearer and answered a few questions.

Biggest issue I have is not being able to try out each app before buying it. I'm a big fan of lite versions, but obviously such a thing wouldn't really work for a nav app.

I'm mostly sold on the Sygic app I think.

Glad its been of some help. I love Sygic, even though its not bog standard iPhone fare. It looks and behaves like a regular GPS application and where thats a minus for some, its actually a plus for me, I found it easier to navigate the app itself. And I like the large display of road speed limit, instead of in a tiny font buried somewhere in the info bar.

I took another screenie as I was on the road on Tuesday arvo, it was at a major intersection, and shows the name of the road I need to turn onto. Its very large text, so if you did happen to be a screen watcher, a quick glance is all it will require to get you onto the correct road. It also reduces the need for TTS voices :)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7080/img0008cx.png

Sebastianmonty
9th November 2009, 11:48 AM
I think that last screenie looks almost like it's half upside down or something.

Jay
11th November 2009, 02:20 PM
I ve got this above combination. The Liquid Aux has a steering wheel remote, for ipod controls of iPhone, I take calls through Blue ant. So once connected to the dash mount, I am set and done. The iPhone's GPS reception isnt too bad at all. The music + (annoyingly) the tomtom voice instructions play through my car's music system.

There are a few issues though.
1. If you start the ipod with the remote while the Tomtom app is working, the phone goes into the screen saver mode, however, if the tomtom is turned on while playing the music the screen saver doesnt blank the screen.

2. As the sound comes out pre-volume control, the sound of the tomtom app cant be set independant of the levels for music.

Since I already had the Liquid Aux and the Blue ant which I got it on a good deal, I dont think I need to care about the TomTom cradle.

Has any one else use this combination?

rocketxr
13th November 2009, 04:03 PM
TomTom to bring free lane guidance, text-to-speech, iPod control to iPhone GPS app

TomTom's probably still dizzy from the hit that Google laid on it just a few days ago, but it has somehow managed to get its bearings long enough to announce that a slew of gratis updates are incoming for its highly-hyped iPhone navigation app. Following in Navigon's footsteps, the outfit has today stated that a free update has been submitted to Apple for approval, and when (er, if) it clears Cupertino's ambiguous review process, it'll deliver advanced lane guidance, text-to-speech, "Help Me," updated map / safety cameras (in select European nations) databases, customizable audio warnings and iPod player control. Not a bad list of additions for the grand total of $0.00, but we wouldn't expect anything less given the lofty admission price.

TomTom to bring free lane guidance, text-to-speech, iPod control to iPhone GPS app (http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/tomtom-to-bring-lane-guidance-text-to-speech-ipod-control-to-i/)

kyte
13th November 2009, 04:34 PM
TomTom to bring free lane guidance, text-to-speech, iPod control to iPhone GPS app

<snip>

TomTom to bring free lane guidance, text-to-speech, iPod control to iPhone GPS app (http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/tomtom-to-bring-lane-guidance-text-to-speech-ipod-control-to-i/)

its getting there, I guess. I was hoping it would bring audible warnings for speeding, cameras and schools but that was too much to hope for.

Improved lane guidance would be a boon: at the moment it doesn't really do a really good job, merely adequate.

eaglesteve2
13th November 2009, 05:08 PM
The report says that TT is improving the safety camera database only in selected Europe Nations. I hope it also fixes the safety camera database camera in Australia because too many of the cameras are missing at the moment for it to be useable. Also, hope to see school zone warning. If these are not fixed, then I'll still stick with Sygic regardless of whether there is audio overspeeding warning.

Hope a TomTom representative reads this forum.

dreambuds
14th November 2009, 05:13 AM
great review, It help me decide. I think I'll go with TomTom. thanks

eaglesteve2
14th November 2009, 11:38 AM
great review, It help me decide. I think I'll go with TomTom. thanks

According to a representative of TomTom, the Australian safety camera database will be improved.

If the update really lives up to its promises, then TomTom is no doubt the best choice for the Australin Market. I'll wait for the "trial copy" and make sure it does what it says first before re-purchasing it though.

Sebastianmonty
17th November 2009, 01:40 PM
I have read some reviews and I think that TomTom is shocking. They have so much experience and pissed it away.

Anyway I have to ask some questions about Sygic as I may take back my Navman and get a refund as it doesn't do what I want for $444.

Basically I want to see the speed limit of the road always and my current speed. I also want to see speed and red light cameras pop up. When they have popped up I want to see my speed again and not have to push a button to have to see it. I have to do that with the Navman.

With the Navman it's a big investment and the problem is the hardware isn't super fast for 3 years of use(they currently come with 3 years worth of map upgrades).

So the gps is quite quick at routing and what not but occassionally will bug or slow down and become un-responsive. In 3 years when every mobile device has a 2Ghz chip and this is sitting with it's 400Mhz or whatever I will regret the investment.

Also updates are not clear as to how to get them and you need windows software to even start there. At the moment I am having not luck getting my Virtualbox up and running for some crazy reason so I am thinking of just getting the iPhone app.

Failing all of these things I will just get a cheap Tomtom Start for $187 from DSE and use that.

Kyte if you could answer those questions that would be great. Also I assume you have been down the F3 and then the Pac Highway to the CBD with the Sygic. If so does it know the speeds of the 2 cameras on The pac highway as 60km/h? Does it even have the speed camera near Wahroonga(Outside of Knox's Grammar school) on the map? My new Navman doesn't.

Darwiniandude
17th November 2009, 11:44 PM
Another vote for Sygic here. I don't know how common this is with GPS units, but I love the Itinerary function, with or without 'optimise' function. EG I can create an Itinerary and add heaps of places in that I have to go to. I can then tell it to optimise these places and so provide the most efficient (shortest) route of going to all of them. Can you can have multiple itineraries saved. Handy in unfamiliar cities if you have a number of places to go to.

kyte
18th November 2009, 04:26 AM
Basically I want to see the speed limit of the road always and my current speed. I also want to see speed and red light cameras pop up. When they have popped up I want to see my speed again and not have to push a button to have to see it.

<snip>

Kyte if you could answer those questions that would be great. Also I assume you have been down the F3 and then the Pac Highway to the CBD with the Sygic. If so does it know the speeds of the 2 cameras on The pac highway as 60km/h? Does it even have the speed camera near Wahroonga(Outside of Knox's Grammar school) on the map? My new Navman doesn't.

I've not been into the CBD with the sygic app (I avoid the CBD as much as I can)... I've only been as far as Berowra and at least that far there were no issues.

If you look at the sygic screenies, you can see that the speed is there in a circle fulltime. Your own speed is on your speedo, but if you'd rather look at a small font on an iphone screen, you can do that (but you'd need to take your eyes off the road for longer than is safe, so don't bother... thats what the audible warnings are for, to stop you overspeeding). You can set the speed you want to be warned at... ie 5k, 10k over (or under) etc.

If the Pacific highway where you are concerned about the camera speed is normally a different speed to 60km, then no... sygic only knows speed cameras at their normal speed. There is a variable speed cam at Gateshead, a suburb of newcastle, it drops to 40 in school zone times. Sygic only warns of a 60 so you have to be on the ball. No big deal, IMO. You won't get variable speed cameras on any dedicated devices as standard either, its like asking the device to know that school zone restrictions are in place only on weekdays and during term time. There's no way thats possible, because its different in every state, and from public to private schools. Too much to ask. Not going to happen.

No device or application is going to be perfect. The only thing I have learned is that any device/app using Navteq maps is behind the 8-ball in Australia (perfectly fine in many other countries) so at least for iphone apps at the moment, its between sygic and tomtom. If you don't like tomtom then sygic is the go. If you have a 3GS phone, don't think twice, just do it.

kyte
18th November 2009, 04:28 AM
Another vote for Sygic here. I don't know how common this is with GPS units, but I love the Itinerary function, with or without 'optimise' function. EG I can create an Itinerary and add heaps of places in that I have to go to. I can then tell it to optimise these places and so provide the most efficient (shortest) route of going to all of them. Can you can have multiple itineraries saved. Handy in unfamiliar cities if you have a number of places to go to.

Also handy for me as a community nurse doing multiple home visits in a day. Once I've done it a couple of times I don't use the app anymore but its handy to get it worked out.

Sebastianmonty
18th November 2009, 08:31 PM
I don't expect Sygic to know to drop to 40km in school zones. My questions were essentially if they are up-to-date with a speed camera which has been there for over 6 month(in place in March).
My 2009 just released Navman doesn't have it. The Tom tom I used prior said another one was 70 speed limit and not 60. I am just asking as I know the speed cam is there. On other roads I want accuracy too.

I will most likely get the Sygic app and give it a shot. Thanks.

kyte
19th November 2009, 03:37 AM
I don't expect Sygic to know to drop to 40km in school zones. My questions were essentially if they are up-to-date with a speed camera which has been there for over 6 month(in place in March).
My 2009 just released Navman doesn't have it. The Tom tom I used prior said another one was 70 speed limit and not 60. I am just asking as I know the speed cam is there. On other roads I want accuracy too.

I will most likely get the Sygic app and give it a shot. Thanks.

Oh, ok, I didn't quite get that.

No, the cam database isn't completely up to date, but none of them will ever be, because there's no way of receiving live updates (there could be if they wanted, it just hasn't been done). I think the tomtom dedicated devices are probably the most accurate as they have an update nearly every time you log in to tomtom home. Unfortunately the camera db from the dedicated device does not always translate directly to the app, and the tomtom app is way behind in everything.

In my area, Sygic has all speed cams available. I have heard that there are some missing around Sydney, but I don't know where those are.

Good luck, I think you'll be happy enough with it.

Sebastianmonty
19th November 2009, 08:27 PM
I just bought it and have given it a quick go. It's quite good. Not as fast as the dedicated Navman but I didn't expect that.

kyte
19th November 2009, 10:54 PM
I just bought it and have given it a quick go. It's quite good. Not as fast as the dedicated Navman but I didn't expect that.

I like it... but I am tempted to buy the tomtom again... its features are almost up with Sygic except for the road speed display which is in a tiny font in the info bar.

As far as it being fast... unless you're an Ambo, I cannot imagine when speed becomes mission critical. It will get you where you want to go. Occasionally it will take you via an unexpected route, and why that is, is a mystery... but overall, you'll reach your destination and thats why we get these things.

polo
22nd November 2009, 07:59 PM
if we are talking gps RunKeeper is a great app for runners

eaglesteve2
29th November 2009, 09:49 AM
I'm very very disappointed with Sygic's latest update. No more golf courses, no airport, four or five sets of duplicating safety camera simply dumped into Sygic without trying to consolidate them...

I had put up with its terrible UI for a long time because everything else was the best. But the latest update has destroyed even my strong liking of it. I thought of simply using an older cracked version, but don't like the idea now. After all, I've paid for it.

I'm now going to go to another imperfect, but less imperfect GPS, which is TomTom. Why still imperfect? It does not warn me when I approach school zone, and the safety camera database is still thin in coverage. However, at least I could find out how to get to major POIs, and enjoy the excellent user interface.

Darwiniandude
29th November 2009, 11:55 PM
I don't know if this will help you, but it's worth a try: delete and re install Sygic. From personal experience, upgrades on both my girlfriends and my own iPhones with Sygic have not always gone smoothly. Once hers had no Speed camera options at all, despite being the same version number. I don't know why. A removal and re-load fixed it. This means you loose your favourites, and settings, but has encouraged me to use the iPhone's contacts app rather than Sygic's favourites anyway.

toholio
4th December 2009, 06:39 AM
For people still shopping, Choice magazine have reviewed three of the big players.

iPhone GPS applications review and compare with Choice.com.au (http://www.choice.com.au/Reviews-and-Tests/Technology/Phones-and-mobile-devices/Mobile-phones/iPhone-GPS-applications-review-and-compare.aspx)

It's paid content but it probably will be or is in a current paper issue.

kyte
4th December 2009, 10:01 PM
Its also grossly outdated, they've made some comment about it in the small print but overall, I'm not that impressed. Unsurprisingly, I reckon my reviews are better :) I'm a Choice member so was able to have a great deal to say on the matter Unsurprisingly also, Tomtom came out on top, even at version 1. Woeful.

DazR6
19th December 2009, 12:50 AM
Navigon has just done a update and so far speed limits are finally working and sos direct help is added now! Google local seach. It's starting to catch up to TomTom!

kyte
19th December 2009, 03:54 AM
Navigon has just done a update and so far speed limits are finally working and sos direct help is added now! Google local seach. It's starting to catch up to TomTom!

Good news, but where do you live? metro area?

[edit] I've just been and read the itunes page. Looks like theres been a price drop as well ($69.99 until January 11th). AND they have added a very nice touch for the in-app music, a choice between music and audiobook mode... I'm assuming books will stop and start, and music will fade in and out. Very nice. I could be persuaded to switch if speed zones and cameras were now working outside metro areas

http://emberapp.com/kyteflyer/images/itunes-1/sizes/m.png

DazR6
19th December 2009, 06:50 AM
I'm on the Gold Coast.

kyte
19th December 2009, 06:57 AM
I'm on the Gold Coast.

OK, that sounds promising then. Complete review coming up in the fullness of time :)

eaglesteve2
19th December 2009, 10:32 AM
That's good news. However, since it stillnuses Navteq rather than Sensis, you're going to find that speed data on many roads (even in Sydney) are missing.

DazR6
19th December 2009, 01:12 PM
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l349/Dazr6/IMG_1104.png?t=1261195062Well so far some side streets don't have speed limits but all main roads do from my first 3 drives. School zone don't appear to be working. But maybe it is because it's a weekend not a weekday, can someone let me know if Tomtom or Sygic only works during school hours for school zones or does it fire off a warning no matter what time of day it is?
The speed warnings are only a warning voice saying "beware" when you go over the limit. You can set 5, 10, 15,20 up to 35 km/h over.

eaglesteve2
20th December 2009, 08:07 AM
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l349/Dazr6/IMG_1104.png?t=1261195062Well so far some side streets don't have speed limits but all main roads do from my first 3 drives. School zone don't appear to be working. But maybe it is because it's a weekend not a weekday, can someone let me know if Tomtom or Sygic only works during school hours for school zones or does it fire off a warning no matter what time of day it is?
The speed warnings are only a warning voice saying "beware" when you go over the limit. You can set 5, 10, 15,20 up to 35 km/h over.

None of the GPS is smart enough to warn only during school hours. If it warns, it will be at all times.

kyte
20th December 2009, 08:36 AM
Alas... still no cameras or speed information in and around Newcastle. You'd think Navteq would make a greater effort. Gold Coast is so close to Brisbane, I guess its included as part of the metro area. Must go for a run to the central coast and see if Navigon improves there.

DazR6
20th December 2009, 09:43 AM
Bugger no red light cameras! Oh well I have to wait for the next update then.

DazR6
21st December 2009, 10:11 AM
Well after driving around over the weekend it's nice to know what the speed limit is on each road but now my wife keeps saying your speeding everytime the warning goes off! I'm not sure if I like it now!!!

Nine iPhone GPS navigation apps compared | Software | iPhone Central - Page 2 | Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/144972-2/2009/12/gps.html)

Wow so they rate Navigon higher as a 4 and Sygic as a 2 and Tomtom as a 3.5

So that's a complete opposite to your reviews! LMAO

kyte
21st December 2009, 06:51 PM
Well after driving around over the weekend it's nice to know what the speed limit is on each road but now my wife keeps saying your speeding everytime the warning goes off! I'm not sure if I like it now!!!

Nine iPhone GPS navigation apps compared | Software | iPhone Central - Page 2 | Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/144972-2/2009/12/gps.html)

Wow so they rate Navigon higher as a 4 and Sygic as a 2 and Tomtom as a 3.5

So that's a complete opposite to your reviews! LMAO

I'm not surprised, its an American mag. Navteq maps are best over there, better than ALK or TeleAtlas... so Navigon would be expected to be top of the class :)

eaglesteve2
22nd December 2009, 04:11 PM
Never look at the review of another country to form opinion on what you should buy in a different country.

During my winmo days, I used TomTom in Australia but in Asia I used MapKing and Garmin because TT did'nt even have maps for most of those countries then.

Map makes or break user experience. That's why after trying out every one for the Aussie market I stick with TomTom and Sygic because they use the Sensis map.

kyte
22nd December 2009, 04:54 PM
I stick with TomTom and Sygic because they use the Sensis map.

+1. I've tried all the others and none come close. For me, Tomtom has overtaken Sygic because it can *easily* read the addresses in my contact list. Sygic still has issues. However, I still use Sygic when I am not being guided because it still dishes out warnings, whereas tomtom doesnt seem to.

DazR6
22nd December 2009, 05:40 PM
Fair enough, good point. But I can't afford to buy all of them to see which one works best, so I just have to hope and wait for Navigon to catch up.

eaglesteve2
25th December 2009, 09:47 AM
Looks like the the POI problem has been sorted out. However Sygic had not consolidated the red light/speed camera. There are still five of them and shown as overlapping icons on the map.

Still can't disable the display of traffic light without putting a black question mark. Annoying.

They have not introduced iPhone keyboard yet unfortunately, so a little disappointed here. However, it was a hugh improvement over the previous keyboard.

The scrolling of lists and menu is good. Very happy here.

The map zooming by pinching works excellently. Love that.

Tiny bugs noted. The lane assistant still shows incorrect lane for cross intersection. Instead if showing only lanes which go straight, it incorrectly highlight turning lane as well. Hope to see this fixed.

Glad that now POI warning can be selected to include only schools and not lumped together with Universities and Kintergarden.

In the next version I like to see the option of audio feedback when touching the menu choices and keyboard key. Similar to Copilot and iGo.

Overall very pleased with this upgrade. It has won me back from TomTom for three reasons:
1) school zone warning
2) the speed limit display. TomTom's is harder to be read with a quick glance. It is also completely missing whenever advanced lane guidance appear.
3) I like the ability to have my own speed tolerance.

It does not have music control but I only listen to radio on the road, not my iPod music.

DazR6
26th December 2009, 12:40 PM
It's not an upgrade, you have to pay for it apparently! $69.99!!!!

kyte
26th December 2009, 02:30 PM
It's not an upgrade, you have to pay for it apparently! $69.99!!!!

Apparently not if you already own it. The $69.99 is a promotional price drop for those who don't already have it... normal price is $10 more

Darwiniandude
5th January 2010, 01:59 PM
From the latest Sygic update they've added a few more voices, Ryan US is still the best but I prefer one of the UK ones complete with humorous mispronounciations including "traffic circle" instead of round a bout, which is awesome. :)

Anyway, they've added pinch zoom(clunky but it works) a significantly improved keyboard and the icons are nicer. You can flick scroll long lists and it no longer asks which country you're in each and every time.

billenya
8th January 2010, 08:32 AM
Finally took the plunge and got Sygic. Overall yeah it's good, but I have to wonder about accuracy - the street numbers in my street in the maps are a whole block off... I put in my home address and it directed me straight past my house and down to the next block!

I thought they used the Sensis maps? I checked my address in WhereIs (Sensis) and it's correct in there...

kyte
14th January 2010, 09:02 PM
Finally took the plunge and got Sygic. Overall yeah it's good, but I have to wonder about accuracy - the street numbers in my street in the maps are a whole block off... I put in my home address and it directed me straight past my house and down to the next block!

I thought they used the Sensis maps? I checked my address in WhereIs (Sensis) and it's correct in there...

I've become a bit concerned about Sygic after the last two updates. Maps were more accurate in older versions. Sygic Simon completely misdirected me the other day, it was sheer luck that a no through road prevented me from following the direction, so I had to go the opposite way and it turned out that was exactly where I needed to be. Sygic was calling left instead of right. Simon seemed to have become directionally dyslexic.

I've begun using tomtom again.

Reubania
17th January 2010, 07:59 AM
Sygic is on sale $59.99. I am still waiting for TomTom to drop it's price...considering the market where Google's Nexus One is heading...I think these navigation companies will be dropping their prices soon.

It will be a big investment, as I plan to also get the TomTom holder...so thanks guys for your input and reviews.

Nugsy
16th February 2010, 10:33 AM
Tomtom australia in the UK itunes store is £44.99 which is about AUD$80

ManHeat
21st February 2010, 12:22 PM
Does anyone know if you can pinch to zoom on the Tom Tom app?

kyte
21st February 2010, 12:57 PM
Does anyone know if you can pinch to zoom on the Tom Tom app?

No. There are plus and minus signs on top of screen (as it is with many GPS apps) which just require a tap to zoom in or out. Its a good thing, IMO, a tap requires less dexterity than pinching etc.

eaglesteve2
23rd February 2010, 07:52 PM
Does anyone know if you can pinch to zoom on the Tom Tom app?

Yes and no.

The main navigation screen uses the plus and minus button that Kytes mentioned. You can't pinch this map because the mere act of touching the map brings up the menu.

On the map of your route however, it zooms by pinching.

ZacDavies
2nd March 2010, 04:29 PM
Been using the TomTom app for a while and thing annoying me the most is the pissweak iPod controls..

http://img.skitch.com/20100302-emyahheu4cmh471qnhtcwrasgj.jpg

That is the grand total of what you get as far as controls.

The Navigon app appears to have a fullblow feature set in that department..

http://img.skitch.com/20100302-1xfcgww9kkn2y944e8fdh7bqhh.jpg

Even Sygic appears to have more options..

http://macgirl.net/reviews/Reviews/navigon-mobile-navigator-for-iphone-review_files/ipod-controls.png

Wish TomTom would hurry up and follow suit.

opilot87
2nd March 2010, 06:53 PM
Sygic has more options??? Unless they have done something in the new update that I haven't realised. In Sygic, at the moment you have to remember to start the ipod player before launching the Sygic app, and then you have to double click the home screen to bring up the built in ipod controls over the top, which only allow forward/next/stop and basic song info. Pretty rubbish.

I've been meaning to suggest this improvement to Sygic, since they requested feedback from users on improvements and suggestions. If everybody here does the same, hopefully we might have something to like in the next update!

Ollie

ZacDavies
2nd March 2010, 07:00 PM
Sygic has more options??? Unless they have done something in the new update that I haven't realised. In Sygic, at the moment you have to remember to start the ipod player before launching the Sygic app, and then you have to double click the home screen to bring up the built in ipod controls over the top, which only allow forward/next/stop and basic song info. Pretty rubbish.

I've been meaning to suggest this improvement to Sygic, since they requested feedback from users on improvements and suggestions. If everybody here does the same, hopefully we might have something to like in the next update!

Ollie

Guess you were right, I misread this review (http://macgirl.net/reviews/Reviews/navigon-mobile-navigator-for-iphone-review.html)..


"The app now includes iPod controls, accessible by an iPod icon in the lower right corner in the map view. These controls will allow you to control music playing that was started before the app was open, and allow you to add songs to an in-app playlist that you can create on the fly. These in-app controls mean that you don't need to exit the app to get some music playing, which is really nice. After you tap on the iPod icon to access this functionality, it will automatically go back to the map view after a few moments without interaction on its own – a nice touch so that you don't have to distract yourself from the road to tap it again."


Guess that means Navigon is winning the iPod war.
I personally think TomTom still leads the overall UI war however.

opilot87
2nd March 2010, 11:00 PM
Yeh i've been waiting for decent ipod controls on a GPS for a long time since its the main thing I use my iPhone for in the car. I'm tempted to buy Navigon, but hoping Sygic will come up with an update.

If sygic get back to me on my suggestion i'll update here.

Ollie

opilot87
2nd March 2010, 11:17 PM
My feedback to Sygic for anyone's interest. If you agree please write something similar at:

Sygic GPS navigation software turns your iPhone into a real-time turn-by-turn voice guided navigation system (http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/iphone.html)

Feedback is on the right.

Ollie

kyte
3rd March 2010, 04:37 AM
Probably time to do a complete update of the original post, there have been some significant changes in Tomtom and Sygic, not a lot in Navigon and nothing at all in NDrive or CoPilot. I've also had the opportunity to test iGo Myway (posted elsewhere) and this will be added also. For those looking, it also has good iPod controls, but the rest of the app leaves a lot to be desired. I'll rewrite and repost as a separate post (Anthony: maybe you can unsticky this post and once I have written and posted the next set of reviews I'll alert you for a sticky then. This is all well out of date and I don't think people are actually reading the original)

Victor
3rd March 2010, 08:41 AM
:D

sounds great, but isn't navigon 1.5 around the corner?

kyte
3rd March 2010, 05:11 PM
:D

sounds great, but isn't navigon 1.5 around the corner?

One would hope so. Its been a while.

canonafficionado
3rd March 2010, 05:50 PM
Looks like TomTom 1.3 update has just been submitted for approval as well. Seems like we will see it released in a few weeks.

Key changes:


Real time traffic and incident data
Google local search to find nearby POIs


Traffic data is likely to involve an in-app charge. They also say there is "other soon-to-be-announced enhancements to ensure an optimal, and even more intuitive, navigation experience." I'd imagine that this means they've done some more optimisations based on feedback and usability.

kyte
5th March 2010, 03:57 PM
The problem with traffic in most cases on these applications is that it accesses SUNA data which is all very well if you live in a capital city, but we in the regional centres and people in the country also have a need of things like "incident data" and we are unlikely to get it. That's why I keep using Trapster when I am not actually needing to be navigated.

Lutze
5th March 2010, 03:58 PM
The problem with traffic in most cases on these applications is that it accesses SUNA data which is all very well if you live in a capital city on the east coast.....

There, fixed that for you :p

kyte
6th March 2010, 04:53 AM
There, fixed that for you :p

I should fix it further. Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane. It doesn't cover Hobart or Canberra either. One wonder why, when google does it perfectly well. Maybe we will get lucky and the new sygic app will somehow use google instead.

malfromcessnock
6th March 2010, 03:26 PM
My iPhone shipped with Google Maps - isn't this a GPS app?

In my limited experience, this is a fantastic app.

In fact I moved from HTC TyTnII to my iPhone cause I was so impressed with this GPS app. The HTC used CoPilot and I got lost a few times and didn't use it again.

Why would you want another?

ZacDavies
6th March 2010, 11:32 PM
My iPhone shipped with Google Maps - isn't this a GPS app?

In my limited experience, this is a fantastic app.

In fact I moved from HTC TyTnII to my iPhone cause I was so impressed with this GPS app. The HTC used CoPilot and I got lost a few times and didn't use it again.

Why would you want another?

Because Google maps location pin won't follow you as you walk / drive. Simple.

Have to keep flicking the page as your drive along..

entropy
6th March 2010, 11:36 PM
Oh and it downloads maps as you go, so go off network and you're fu*ked.

it also doesn't give turn by turn instructions.

kyte
7th March 2010, 04:46 AM
My iPhone shipped with Google Maps - isn't this a GPS app?

In my limited experience, this is a fantastic app.

In fact I moved from HTC TyTnII to my iPhone cause I was so impressed with this GPS app. The HTC used CoPilot and I got lost a few times and didn't use it again.

Why would you want another?

You made a good decision to abandon Copilot, its complete rubbish, IMO (its just as rubbish on the iphone)... but Google won't do turn by turn instructions if that's what you need. If you just need to get a listing before you go somewhere, its fine. some of us like some of the other stuff built into the GPS apps like speed warnings, points of interest and so forth, as well as the turn by turn.

Pedantix
7th March 2010, 12:55 PM
Kyte, great review, better than anything else I've seen online and the more so for being Australian plus up to date. Thanks for your efforts!

I'm pretty impressed with the top three apps, sygic, tomtom, navigon. A decider for me is help in lane selection. Being new to Sydney I find the highway lanes pretty tricky at times, esp around the bridge/tunnel.

How do these three players rate on this aspect?

kyte
7th March 2010, 04:44 PM
I'm pretty impressed with the top three apps, sygic, tomtom, navigon. A decider for me is help in lane selection. Being new to Sydney I find the highway lanes pretty tricky at times, esp around the bridge/tunnel.

How do these three players rate on this aspect?

Not being from Sydney, I have no idea, there are a few Sydney users here though, so hopefully one or two will offer opinion.

You should also be aware that the review is desperately in need of an update and I have not got round to it.

At the moment if I was going to rate them, Tomtom is now in first position and Sygic and Navigon tying for second. However I have a feeling that Navigon beats everything else out in terms of advanced lane guidance. Do NOT make your purchase based on that, though. Wait til more evidence is forthcoming

Victor
7th March 2010, 06:12 PM
Kyte, great review, better than anything else I've seen online and the more so for being Australian plus up to date. Thanks for your efforts!

I'm pretty impressed with the top three apps, sygic, tomtom, navigon. A decider for me is help in lane selection. Being new to Sydney I find the highway lanes pretty tricky at times, esp around the bridge/tunnel.

How do these three players rate on this aspect?

according to my experience, navigon & sygic are both generally better in terms of lane guidance....

tomtom does not give you as much as the other two does

Pedantix
8th March 2010, 06:32 PM
From screenshots it looks like what victor says is true. But then I've been leaning toward tomtom as it's a brand name I know. Are navigon and sygic big players in the market, ie dependable?

kyte
8th March 2010, 07:37 PM
From screenshots it looks like what victor says is true. But then I've been leaning toward tomtom as it's a brand name I know. Are navigon and sygic big players in the market, ie dependable?

In terms of the iPhone market its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. I tend to lean toward Tomtom and Sygic for one reason: they use whereis maps (local information) whereas all the others use Navteq maps which are often out of date. That said, I understand the most recent Navigon is well up there with the others... Don't go for copilot, ndrive or igo, because all are well behind the proverbial 8 ball and havent been updated for quite some time.

I'd be tempted to hold off for a bit anyway, I understand there's a new Tomtom on the way, it could kill off all the others :)

canonafficionado
8th March 2010, 08:06 PM
Got to agree with that. For me If TomTom improved their lane guidance I think it'd be more convincing. I get lane confusion too, and its the one thing I'd really like them to improve. I suppose its more a graphical representation thing than the data itself, so it should be easy for them to focus on it, even if they have to have a look at Navigon :)

~Coxy
9th March 2010, 10:47 AM
Google Maps is also hopelessly unreliable for Australian roads, or at least Perth ones!

Way too many *major* intersections are incorrectly listed as allowing right turns, overpasses and bridges are listed as intersections, even a tunnel was listed as a surface road for many years!

Darwiniandude
9th March 2010, 11:04 PM
Google Maps is also hopelessly unreliable for Australian roads, or at least Perth ones!

Way too many *major* intersections are incorrectly listed as allowing right turns, overpasses and bridges are listed as intersections, even a tunnel was listed as a surface road for many years!

I've love it. I've discovered some wicked 4WD tracks that used to be a road years ago. Great fun to try and scramble over boulders and get through where Google says I can. :)

ZacDavies
9th March 2010, 11:29 PM
If TomTom improved their lane guidance I think it'd be more convincing.

http://iphoneroot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tomtom.jpg

That's the display I get when exiting a freeway, what's wrong with that?

Pedantix
10th March 2010, 05:31 AM
If this is a screenshot for tomtom iPhone app Australia, I'm sold!

kyte
10th March 2010, 05:43 AM
If this is a screenshot for tomtom iPhone app Australia, I'm sold!

erm... the shot is from a french/european tomtom. Someone (all of us?) might attempt to get a freeway shot this weekend.

Sygic has a similar "look" for its freeway exits, but I have found that by the time I get warned (I listen rather than look... seems to me to defy logic to look at an application rather than the road, when you are travelling at 110k/hr) Sygic's warning to exit comes well after I should have already been ON the exit. There needs to be more lead time on it. I have not tried the same thing with Tomtom but I will be on the Newcastle/Sydney freeway for a short distance this weekend, so I'll see how TT behaves and take a screenie if I can remember to do so.

ZacDavies
10th March 2010, 08:35 AM
erm... the shot is from a french/european tomtom.

Same screen my friend, just no signs that say "Paris" - prob just "Coolangatta".. etc

decryption
10th March 2010, 08:45 AM
I can vouch that the TomTom iPhone app does "advanced lane guidance" and it looks exactly like the screenshot Donnie Darko posted. I prefer TomTom's to Sygic's. I've been using the TomTom app a lot more than Sygic lately, the latest update of Sygic keeps crashing randomly :(

~Coxy
10th March 2010, 10:39 AM
My TomTom app doesn't look anything like that screenshot. Is it a different mode I have to put it in?

I also have to say, it's also a bit confusing with lane guidance because sometime it claims there is a 'right turn' when it actually means 'keep going straight and don't exit'.

canonafficionado
10th March 2010, 06:17 PM
You guys have convinced me. Lane guidance just like what your getting in that shot is exactly what I wanted.

TomTom are doing a special (and guaranteeing the next update due any day will be free) but for some reason they're not passing the $ saving onto the local version.

eaglesteve2
11th March 2010, 01:02 PM
I can also vouch that reality mode is a feature from version 1.2 but it is only for selected intersection and not everywhere in Sydney roads.

Where there is no reality view, the same lane guidance indoemation (the bottom left portion) is still displayed fir mort of the intersections.

aliens
11th March 2010, 01:06 PM
I am happy with TomTom but I find the speed warnings very annoying and will turn off and the speed limits are very often wrong on major roads

eaglesteve2
11th March 2010, 01:15 PM
I am happy with TomTom but I find the speed warnings very annoying and will turn off and the speed limits are very often wrong on major roads

The problem of wrong speed applies to every single GPS out there. I won't say they are often wrong, just sometimes wrong. When I was using the winmo cracked version of TomTom, there was a mean for user to correct the incorrect speed information but this feature has not been incorporated into the iPhone version yet.

As for speed limit warning, I also have an issue with TomTom's inability to let me specify a tolerance for overspeeding. It is fixed at the moment, unlike in Sygic, which allows more user control over how much (if any) overspeeding to tolerate. Hope to see this improved in the future.

~Coxy
11th March 2010, 04:25 PM
Yeah I noticed the speed limits being wrong on TomTom the other day for the first time - a section of the highway suddenly claimed that it was 50 km/h instead of 80! After a few kilometers it was back to normal but still pretty odd, that road has never been 50.

iJohn
11th March 2010, 05:00 PM
Have always used tom tom. Downloaded Sygic last week and reckon it great little app for the $$$.

I don't know if its cause i got a 3g not 3gs but tom tom is really slow, lags and takes forever(5-10) min to grab a signal.


In process of trialling all gps

kyte
12th March 2010, 04:29 AM
FYI, anyone who bought it, Co-Pilot is updated. as far as I can see, the only chnages are minor (connection to facebook!... do I want everyone on my list to know where I am? Hell no) However the ability to choose whether music is faded or muted during direction is a good feature. I listen to audiobooks so mtuing is good for me, those who listen to music will find the fading will work for them. Overall tho... probably won't use it.

I'm downloading, and will check it out, but TBH I am not expecting any real improvements. TTS is available now as an in-app purchase, can't remember if thats always been the case. And no, I am not buying.

I'll update further if there's anything startling.

Analog6
14th April 2010, 04:14 PM
I had longed to get the Tom Tom app. AFter reading on here about Sygic, and looking at the prices - $59.99 for Aust AND NZ with Sygic and over $300 for the same with Tom Tom - I bought the Sygic and it is great. Locks on quickly, the location is very accurate, and so far I'm very happy. We are off to NZ in May so can't wait to see how it goes there.

Thanks everyone who's talked about the various systems in various threads, forums are great!

strange
14th April 2010, 05:14 PM
We are off to NZ in May so can't wait to see how it goes there.

We used it in NZ in January and it worked perfectly. Drove all over the north island including Auckland and Wellington and had no problems at all. Used a cheap cradle and a 12V charging cable.

Great value for money at $59.99 if you travel in both countries regularly as we do. Tomtom would cost us $215 for both countries… Plus $150 more if you buy the TomTom cradle...

p53
22nd April 2010, 05:05 PM
hey kyte, sorry if i missed it in your write-up, but… i know you said sygic has the most customisability - does this include multiple stops on a trip and the ability to customise which roads to take (much like the full google maps)? I've been using mocal, and while you can specify which roads i don't want, there doesn't seem to be a way to specify a road that i want to take. thanks.

BowieNIN
22nd April 2010, 09:35 PM
Tomtom now $79 in the aussie app store. What you think worth it??

opilot87
22nd April 2010, 10:32 PM
Tomtom now $79 in the aussie app store. What you think worth it??

Ooh, might be enough for me... Does TomTom have decent iPod control in the app? I have Sygic already which I am happy with, except for lack of iPod control which is a huge downer for me.

Ollie

Darwiniandude
23rd April 2010, 10:18 AM
hey kyte, sorry if i missed it in your write-up, but… i know you said sygic has the most customisability - does this include multiple stops on a trip and the ability to customise which roads to take (much like the full google maps)? I've been using mocal, and while you can specify which roads i don't want, there doesn't seem to be a way to specify a road that i want to take. thanks.

I'm not Kyte, but yes, you can do this. You can put in all your destinations, optionally have it rearrange them optimally (shortest route to go to get to all those places) and you can browse the map graphically, drop a pin and say via here etc and it will recalculate to go along that road. You can also save multiple routes this way, eg if you regularly go to 5 different places you can call that up and they're all programmed in.

It's very flexible, the interface has improved greatly since it's initial launch.

The most recent update made the instructions on time perfectly for me, eg it says warnings beforehand but when it says 'turn right here' it's saying that where the turning lane is not in the middle of the intersection like it used to. :)

Aladdin
25th April 2010, 10:16 PM
Ooh, might be enough for me... Does TomTom have decent iPod control in the app? I have Sygic already which I am happy with, except for lack of iPod control which is a huge downer for me.

Ollie

Just Play/Pause, Forward & Rewind.

Though, with iPhone OS4.0, full iPod control may well be possible.

BigDoug
4th May 2010, 04:29 PM
I'm sorry if this question has already been answered, but I wasn't able to locate the answer in the forums.

I have a cable which will transmit the GPS voice comments through the radio via an FM transmitter. Is there any advice on which FM frequency is best for Melbourne? All of the frequencies which I've tried already have existing noise which disrupts the voice comments.

Thanks for your help.

Aladdin
4th May 2010, 10:17 PM
Depends on the FM transmitter. Some are better than others.

In Melbourne, the best frequency depends on which part of Melb you're in.

I've found 107.3 to be OK for most places, although out Clayton way I switch to 89.1. Also worth trying 98.3 (or thereabouts). I used a FM transmitter in my old car (sold 6 months ago), but am struggling to remember the exact frequencies now.

BiRDBRAiN
5th May 2010, 01:18 PM
I have found that higher frequencies tend to be clearer and have less interference.

I have mine just above 104.

ZacDavies
5th May 2010, 05:39 PM
Bluetooth head deck > fm kit

Reubania
8th May 2010, 10:23 AM
Tomtom now $79 in the aussie app store. What you think worth it??

Thanks. This just influenced my decision to purchase this. And when I have the $$$, I will be purchasing the TomTom iPhone holder as well.

aero_nz
23rd May 2010, 07:04 PM
I have the sygic app, runs well but would prefer for better gps hardware in the phone. Still pretty good for a phone!

BiRDBRAiN
23rd May 2010, 07:36 PM
A note to everyone about something I discovered by accident.

I have an "elcheapo" FM transmitter that I bought from dealextreme that I use to play music on my radio, and it also doubles as a charger for my iPhone.

I discovered by accident that it actually interferes with my GPS signal. On sygic I get 2 bars, which is never ideal, 2 bars usually means the map will lag and the instructions will be very late.

On TomTom when I have this particular FM transmitter plugged in, TomTom continuously complains of weak or no signal and it doesn't even work.

Then when I unplug the FM transmitter, both apps respond perfectly.

So for people who are complaining about lagging in their apps, keep this in mind.

sleek881
20th June 2010, 03:46 PM
Navigon have multitasking with IOS4 or is it the same with every app.

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35UuWv6JRYg)

Reubania
20th June 2010, 05:39 PM
I have used the TomTom app for a few times, and though I haven't had the holder (I am waiting for the new revised one for the iPhone 4), I haven't had major problems getting a strong GPS signal. I do keep it in a pocket of my centre console (next to the handbrake) and it just shouts out directions. Sure, it would be nice to see the multi-lanes for exiting, but it gives me adequate warning of when to turn off. There was one point I thought we were late in turning off, but in fact it was pretty spot on.

DazR6
20th June 2010, 05:51 PM
Navigon have multitasking with IOS4 or is it the same with every app.

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35UuWv6JRYg)

So sweet, :happy:now all I have to do is get the new iPhone 4 because the iPhone 3G won't multitask! :rolleyes:

kyte
24th June 2010, 04:28 AM
IGo and tomtom are both updated.

Igo still seems to be lacking the basics but oh well, I'll give it a run this morning. There's finally a TTS voice but as far as I can see they are still using really old maps and so there is no speed info or warnings for anyone outside metro areas.

tobes56
24th June 2010, 07:26 AM
Great review Kyte - only picked it up because recent flurry of posts, but constantly amazed at how the people in this group are so willing to give up their time to assist other people through their experiences (and obviously quite a bit of research).
I should learn to navigate the site better so that I don't ask so many stupid questions but that will come with time (hopefully!).
I use the Sygic GPS and found it to be pretty good : and once I've got it set up properly with the Blue Ant hands free that I purchased months ago and still haven't installed!! I should be home and hosed.
My partner keeps on giving me a hard time every time Sygic is too slow to respond, but she's not a huge Apple fan - given her an iPod though so the wheel might be about to turn :)
Once again Kyte - well done and thanks.

kyte
24th June 2010, 10:13 PM
Great review Kyte - only picked it up because recent flurry of posts, but constantly amazed at how the people in this group are so willing to give up their time to assist other people through their experiences (and obviously quite a bit of research).
I should learn to navigate the site better so that I don't ask so many stupid questions but that will come with time (hopefully!).
I use the Sygic GPS and found it to be pretty good : and once I've got it set up properly with the Blue Ant hands free that I purchased months ago and still haven't installed!! I should be home and hosed.
My partner keeps on giving me a hard time every time Sygic is too slow to respond, but she's not a huge Apple fan - given her an iPod though so the wheel might be about to turn :)
Once again Kyte - well done and thanks.

Thanks for your remarks, and, as I keep saying, there really needs to be an update because so much has changed from the original. I've just been too knackered (health issues) to bother, yet.

I've just yesterday checked out the new Igo MYway and seriously, nobody bother. Its just not up to scratch. I don't know why they bother continuing to release... the latest appears to only have changed in that one TTS voice has been added for Oz... My opinion is that they should bow out gracefully if they aren't going to be really serious about updates.

The only ongoing serious contenders here are Sygic, Tomtom and Navigon, with a couple of Aussie apps also being in the running only because they are Aussie and not because they are better than any of the main three.

Currently I have no particular preference for any, but Sygic is still the most full featured and flexible.

Reubania
24th June 2010, 10:32 PM
Yes, thanks kyte for your continual updates and opinions. Definitely helps with the decision making.

RHLB
5th August 2010, 09:08 AM
Has anyone else noticed that nDrive no longer is at the app store? I changed over to Navigon from nDrive and thought I would see if nDrive has done anything with os4 but haven't been able to find it.

JohnnoDee
6th August 2010, 09:00 AM
I use the Sygic with the BlueAnt handsfree. Music and commands play thru the BlueAnt speaker, so no problem with volume. Using a generic adjustable windscreen mount, so even the new iP4 should fit!
TTS on the Sygic using the English voices does some strange mangling to placenames, but Ive just read that the American voices do a better job, I will try those and report back

kyte
8th August 2010, 10:48 AM
...
TTS on the Sygic using the English voices does some strange mangling to placenames, but Ive just read that the American voices do a better job, I will try those and report back

Its true, they do, but I have reverted to "Simon" who has the most pleasant voice of all, for my ears. I dont mind having turn left in 300 metres or whatever, it works for me.

Reubania
8th August 2010, 11:28 AM
I have been using TomTom (without the cradle) and have had no problems with the app. It provides with adequate turning directions (before the driver needs to turn!) and have had no problems with any GPS drop out signals.

I particularly like the lane exit guidance and how it remembers the routes the driver takes (I tend to avoid the main roads when I'm driving home - so it remembers the side streets I take).

Only one qualm, it is a little complicated to use (i.e. alternative route or trying to read the instructions before taking off, and having the road names ... out as it's too long to fit on the screen. Perhaps a scrolling bar would be suffice). Saying that, I am still fumbling my way at it (I did have a quick look at the manual, but you would think it would be quite intuitive being on the iPhone).

Oh, and when will TomTom release a high retina display icon and a new modified cradle for the iPhone 4?

binglee
10th August 2010, 12:37 PM
hi,
reading the recent Sygic thread, it seems the current version is not very good any more, so does that drop it out of the recommended apps for GSP for austraila, which leaves only TomTom or Nagivon as the prefered apps?

eaglesteve2
11th August 2010, 05:19 AM
My most preferred GPS is now MetroView. It's the most feature rich, but had all the most important features I really really need. Among them are overspending warning, red light camera warning, speed camera warning, and school zone warning which takes into account schooling hours.

kyte
11th August 2010, 05:59 AM
hi,
reading the recent Sygic thread, it seems the current version is not very good any more, so does that drop it out of the recommended apps for GSP for austraila, which leaves only TomTom or Nagivon as the prefered apps?

When you get down to these two, its horses for courses. I've come to appreciate the route choices you get with Navigon when you first set your destination. You get a choice of three, with distances and estimated times listed. Its iPod/iPhone integration is excellent.

You don't get the same level of overspeed warnings as you do with Sygic, and I still haven't had a warning for a school zone.

I'll probably keep using Sygic for some things (eg when I am tired after work, I'll often fire it up even though I know where I'm going, just because of the reminders about speeding and school zones. It keeps me focussed) but Navigon or Tomtom for other stuff.

I havent used Metroview for ages, I probably should check it out again. Advantage there is that its Australian, its cheaper than the rest even if not as polished, and your dollar gets you updates forever. At $24.99 that can't be beat.

GrahamH52
11th August 2010, 11:22 PM
I bought Sygic Mobile maps when it first became available, but never really felt that it was a good alternative to in car GPS's.
Most disappointing was the way it tried to access my contacts in order to provide directions, very clumsy and unworkable.

Recently I bought Tomtom, I liked it right from the start.
Tomtom is better, much better, and worth the money.
I love the Irish accent available and would love to see some of the celeb voices available for the iPhone.

binglee
12th August 2010, 12:51 AM
how are TomTom and Navigon charging for map updates? via in app purchases? I though upgrades via AppStore were free...

kyte
12th August 2010, 05:37 AM
how are TomTom and Navigon charging for map updates? via in app purchases? I though upgrades via AppStore were free...

They have not yet charged for updates, and possibly never will. Navigon is staying up to date with maps, but Tomtom is one or two releases behind... perhaps thats why we haven't had an extra charge, we are always using old outdated maps.

OR maybe they will release a new product and stop supporting the old one, just as Sygic did.

GrahamH52
12th August 2010, 11:44 PM
Twice now I've used tomtom on a longer trip (one hour each way) and twice now the iphone has crashed near the end of the journey (black screen, white apple logo).
Has anyone else had this happen?

kyte
13th August 2010, 04:47 AM
Twice now I've used tomtom on a longer trip (one hour each way) and twice now the iphone has crashed near the end of the journey (black screen, white apple logo).
Has anyone else had this happen?

Not here, I've used Tomtom from Newcastle to Gordon in Sydney (about 2 hours) and it was fine all the way.

GrahamH52
13th August 2010, 12:05 PM
I just spoke to tomtom about map updates, was told that a new map is a new app and I would have to buy it again.

No flippin way am I paying $80 for each update!!!

binglee
13th August 2010, 01:27 PM
hmmm, thats still cheaper than the standalone unit upgrades, at $100 per year. but so far they haven't charged though? Did they say when they were going to start a new app?

kiwijohn
13th August 2010, 07:11 PM
PSA Navigon is on special at the mo for $45.

kyte
13th August 2010, 07:46 PM
I just spoke to tomtom about map updates, was told that a new map is a new app and I would have to buy it again.

No flippin way am I paying $80 for each update!!!

We have had three map updates for iPhone and no additional charge yet.

I think the person you spoke with was probably talking about the tomtom dedicated units which do cost money for each update. Thats why I'll be selling mine as soon as my current subscription runs out. The cameras expired today, maps in about three months. Yes, they also charge extra for speed cams.

binglee
13th August 2010, 07:57 PM
Navigon is on special at the moment ($45) so it looks like I might get this before the special ends...

opilot87
13th August 2010, 09:18 PM
Byebye Sygic for now... just downloaded Navigon at an impressive price! Keen to try it out

Ollie

GrahamH52
13th August 2010, 11:14 PM
No, sorry, when I began to suggest that other apps have free updates - the guy clearly didn't want to talk to me any more.

kyte
14th August 2010, 04:24 AM
No, sorry, when I began to suggest that other apps have free updates - the guy clearly didn't want to talk to me any more.

then the fellow you spoke to clearly had no clue. That said, I've been expecting an additional charge from Tomtom any time... it just hasn't come.

davemc
14th August 2010, 08:33 AM
Be interested how the other companies do it.
I under stand a upgrade map fee.
Although with a hardware gps which costed like $300 a $79 fee is not full price.
If others expect you to buy a whole new app every year there will be those who move to another company so they get no $'s at all for previously customers. Also if any companies does free or in app updates they will get all the customers.

With sygic you know what to expect next year now. 6 months of no development while they develop aura mk2. There are some really bad bugs which sometimes it does not pick up gps sometimes it does

Lutze
14th August 2010, 09:29 AM
At $45 until the 15th it's very tempting to go with the navigon system, but I can't help but be cynical and then expect a new app from them 2 weeks later similar to sygic.

The tom-tom app is still very polished looking, but I can't tell how well it's worked within ios. For example sygic sucks monkey balls at dealing with contacts, so how does tom-tom and navigon compare?

Then finally the budget system, metroview, I like most of the ideas it has, school zone warnings at the right time is a big win, but does it work well on ios? I'd like to hear from someone who can walk past the "local developer" part and be frank about it's highlights and shortcomings.

Things I like about sygic:

Speed warning, I have it set to 0 over and like the PING.
I find the routes to be agreeable
I like the colour scheme and 3d view

Hate:
Ios integration - lack of it, with contacts being screwed.
Lane guidance is woeful
So many roads here have no speed shown, or worse, the wrong speeds.

Is there an app that ticks the ticks and fills in the crosses?

kyte
14th August 2010, 11:58 AM
Is there an app that ticks the ticks and fills in the crosses?

Sadly, no. I think each has its pluses and minuses. I haven't liked sygic since its UI overhaul. I have liked navigon for its increased accuracy and inclusion of speed warnings and cam warnings in areas where there was none, previously. I like Tomtom for its polish. I like Metroview because its a local developer but I wouldn't trust it on a "mission critical" issue. I'm a community mental health nurse and sometimes I need to go somewhere I have never been before, in a hurry. For that, only Tomtom or Navigon (used to be Sygic, but not now, I don't even have it installed anymore).

If I were you, I'd get Navigon now, at $45 you won't get it cheaper. If there's another app from them in a couple of weeks... oh well... that's life and to be expected. But if there isn't, you'll be kicking yourself.

Lutze
14th August 2010, 12:34 PM
Sadly, no. I think each has its pluses and minuses. I haven't liked sygic since its UI overhaul. I have liked navigon for its increased accuracy and inclusion of speed warnings and cam warnings in areas where there was none, previously. I like Tomtom for its polish. I like Metroview because its a local developer but I wouldn't trust it on a "mission critical" issue. I'm a community mental health nurse and sometimes I need to go somewhere I have never been before, in a hurry. For that, only Tomtom or Navigon (used to be Sygic, but not now, I don't even have it installed anymore).

If I were you, I'd get Navigon now, at $45 you won't get it cheaper. If there's another app from them in a couple of weeks... oh well... that's life and to be expected. But if there isn't, you'll be kicking yourself.

What will I miss about sygic if I go to navigon?

Reubania
14th August 2010, 01:05 PM
then the fellow you spoke to clearly had no clue. That said, I've been expecting an additional charge from Tomtom any time... it just hasn't come.

And I hope it never does! It's a lot harder now as a lot of GPS apps out there all offering slightly similar products. TomTom do have the upper hand in terms of brand awareness, but in order to compete with the other makers AND Google's FREE navigation app, I think they have no choice BUT to provide free upgrades.

So far, still very happy with TomTom on my iPhone 4.

kyte
14th August 2010, 01:58 PM
What will I miss about sygic if I go to navigon?

If you've gone to Aura, I have no idea. If you are still using the old Sygic... map updates. maybe. There hasn't been an update for a while, anf they seem to be concentrating on Aura.

The school zone and speed warnings aren't as customisable as those in Sygic. If those are important to you... stick with what you have.

GrahamH52
14th August 2010, 06:09 PM
For example sygic sucks monkey balls at dealing with contacts, so how does tom-tom and navigon compare?



I'm impressed with tomtom for dealing with contacts ie. accessing the contacts to get directions to. I'ts just like accessing your iphone contact list to get a phone number, unlike Sygic which make a dogs dinner out of the process.

The only complaint I have is that sometimes instructions to turn come a wee bit late, about 50m too late. It would be nice to set turn warnings at intervals of say, 1k, 500m and 100m.
Only the Australian (computer) voice speaks the street names (plus the American voice, but I get enough of that on TV). But the Aus voice is very clear.

I've only really had two apps now, Sygic and Tomtom. Sygic is a waste of money IMHO.
I'm using tomtom in a new Transit van just bought, connecting to a JVC KD-AVX77, it works very well.

zisper
14th August 2010, 06:29 PM
I've just bought Navigon in the last couple of days, as a replacement for the original Sygic routing software. Navigon blows it away - better maps, much nicer interface, accuracy seems improved (I was very sceptical about that, but it does seem true.), gives a choice of routes, will actually pick up addresses from my address book (Sygic was meant to do this, but it never could work them out for me.). All in all I'm much happier with Navigon. The only downside I've found so far is that you can't seem to set the voice and music volume independently - I like to have the voice turned up a couple of notches louder than the music.

ciprol
16th August 2010, 10:19 AM
Just bought TomTom Australia for my iPhone 4. The GPSr seemed to work very efficiently and I was wondering if there's a real need to buy TomTom's cradle? I have an iPhone 4 suction cradle arriving soon (for $5) and wondered what practical values does the TomTom version offers. I don't need bluetooth and other fancy functions, just interested in quick and responsive GPS locks.

Reubania
16th August 2010, 07:09 PM
Just bought TomTom Australia for my iPhone 4. The GPSr seemed to work very efficiently and I was wondering if there's a real need to buy TomTom's cradle? I have an iPhone 4 suction cradle arriving soon (for $5) and wondered what practical values does the TomTom version offers. I don't need bluetooth and other fancy functions, just interested in quick and responsive GPS locks.

I would hold off purchasing the TomTom Cradle as it's not *quite* compatible with the iPhone 4 without "modifications." However, the only advantage of the cradle is the added boost in GPS signal (and doubles as a hands-free handset). But I've had no real problems resting my iPhone in the cigarette/rubbish recess (bottom of the car audio panel) and receiving adequate to strong GPS signal.

eaglesteve2
16th August 2010, 07:55 PM
I don't believe iPhone 4 requires any GPS signal boost.

ciprol
16th August 2010, 09:00 PM
I don't believe iPhone 4 requires any GPS signal boost.

That's the question I am trying to verify. I get the impression that the GPS circuit is more sensitive and faster than prior models.

Reubania
16th August 2010, 10:50 PM
Good point. I must have missed that part about the iPhone 4 having a far more sensitive and faster GPS system inbuilt. All i know is that the TomTom app worked fine on the 3GS without the cradle in my car...so it's probably redundant having it with my iPhone 4. But still would like something more stable and secure for my iPhone...still waiting for TomTom to come up with a remedy or redesign

binglee
17th August 2010, 01:25 AM
I've got Navigon now, and I find it not too bad. There are some minor UI issues I dont' like but it compares well with a standalone unit. Its TTS is a bit funny at times with its pronoucation. I've got an iPhone 4 and its quite accurate with its position, and it seems to get lock quite quick. Its rerouting is fabious, it reroutes quickly and without any fuss. I've seen it occassionaly loses accuracy but it only lasts about a second or so. It also seems to warn me alot about traffic cameras which only for the RTA to monitor traffic, not enforce the law!

Has anyone got the panorma in app purchase, and is it worth it?, Also anyone if there is a manual for this (one of the grips of alot of apps on the AppStore.. no in built help or manuals)

Fitshaced
17th August 2010, 09:10 AM
I was close to buying the tomtom cradle last week but have decided to hold off. Not needing a GPS boost means its a bit overpriced for an iPhone 4. However, its really the only one that has charge facility built in along with line out for your stereo and bluetooth for phone calls. I also need something I can put on the dash or windscreen as the one I have now is too low down and the gear stick gets in the way of the screen.

blanc
17th August 2010, 09:16 AM
I was close to buying the tomtom cradle last week but have decided to hold off. Not needing a GPS boost means its a bit overpriced for an iPhone 4. However, its really the only one that has charge facility built in along with line out for your stereo and bluetooth for phone calls. I also need something I can put on the dash or windscreen as the one I have now is too low down and the gear stick gets in the way of the screen.

Eh? The only one? What about the Magellan cradle?

Or one of the many car kits available from here for instance:
The Car Kit Company- Bluetooth car kits, hands free, iPod car kits, reversing cameras, parking sensors, tracking & safety installations. (http://www.thecarkitcompany.com.au/)

The TomTom & Magellan cradles only provide audio line out. And they require a cable plugged into the cigarette lighter outlet to charge. If you don't need boosted GPS there are better iPod/iPhone integration kits available that allow you to control the volume and answer the phone and change tracks from your steering wheel. Depending on which car you have of course.

Fitshaced
17th August 2010, 09:45 AM
Eh? The only one? What about the Magellan cradle?

Or one of the many car kits available from here for instance:
The Car Kit Company- Bluetooth car kits, hands free, iPod car kits, reversing cameras, parking sensors, tracking & safety installations. (http://www.thecarkitcompany.com.au/)

The TomTom & Magellan cradles only provide audio line out. And they require a cable plugged into the cigarette lighter outlet to charge. If you don't need boosted GPS there are better iPod/iPhone integration kits available that allow you to control the volume and answer the phone and change tracks from your steering wheel. Depending on which car you have of course.
The charge cable is built into the device. Many cradles dont offer that. Does the Magellan come with audio line out or just come with an audio cable which can be plugged into the headphone jack? That makes a difference.

kiwijohn
17th August 2010, 10:21 AM
Check (http://www.holdmyphone.com.au/) out these guys for phone mounts. I'm looking at one with a pass through dock to use my Griffin Autopilot.

Fitshaced
17th August 2010, 10:53 AM
Check (http://www.holdmyphone.com.au/) out these guys for phone mounts. I'm looking at one with a pass through dock to use my Griffin Autopilot.
They're actually more expensive than the tom tom one when you add in the mount. Think I need to design my own :p

Must be a huge market for this as they never seem to be perfect for everyone.

kiwijohn
17th August 2010, 11:01 AM
They're not cheap, but you can pick & mix for your needs & type of car.

laughingbird
17th August 2010, 11:40 AM
After being a Sygic user for a while, I installed MetroView last week. I've used it around Melbourne for a couple of days and for one out of town trip (Melbourne to a spot outside Ballarat) and I'm super impressed.

The UI is very clear and neat. The display, in either map mode or 3D, is better than I was used to with Sygic. The voices are easy on the ear and give good information. The speed alert and camera info is well integrated and seems accurate. The routes chosen have been good, and it recalculates fairly quickly and appropriately when you vary the route. It has easily accessible iPod controls.

Only three little gripes.
1. The integration with Contacts, which apparently they only recently added, isn't working properly if you haven't shown the country in the contact. I see on their website that they've received a lot of feedback about the contact integration and will be addressing it with an update, so I'm sure that will soon be fixed.
2. I'd like to see a map of the chosen route before commencing, but it doesn't do this. You can zoom out until you can eventually see it, but I'd still like to see it first (like Sygic) or even better still, be offered two or three options (like Navigon).
3. There is a bit of lag at times, as others have reported. I've not found this to be very serious, but occasionally I've seen it have a lag about direction. After taking a corner, it is showing my location correctly, but it takes a while longer to reorientate the map, and so for that time it looks as though I am going sideways along the street that runs across the bottom of the screen (instead of up the middle). More an amusement than a problem, but one that they'll want to fix to perfect the app.

Apart from those little things, I've found it to be an excellent app, and extraordinary value for money. I'll be sticking with it for the foreseeable future.

tacklehappy
17th August 2010, 01:18 PM
After being a Sygic user for a while, I installed MetroView last week. I've used it around Melbourne for a couple of days and for one out of town trip (Melbourne to a spot outside Ballarat) and I'm super impressed.

The UI is very clear and neat. The display, in either map mode or 3D, is better than I was used to with Sygic. The voices are easy on the ear and give good information. The speed alert and camera info is well integrated and seems accurate. The routes chosen have been good, and it recalculates fairly quickly and appropriately when you vary the route. It has easily accessible iPod controls.

Only three little gripes.
1. The integration with Contacts, which apparently they only recently added, isn't working properly if you haven't shown the country in the contact. I see on their website that they've received a lot of feedback about the contact integration and will be addressing it with an update, so I'm sure that will soon be fixed.
2. I'd like to see a map of the chosen route before commencing, but it doesn't do this. You can zoom out until you can eventually see it, but I'd still like to see it first (like Sygic) or even better still, be offered two or three options (like Navigon).
3. There is a bit of lag at times, as others have reported. I've not found this to be very serious, but occasionally I've seen it have a lag about direction. After taking a corner, it is showing my location correctly, but it takes a while longer to reorientate the map, and so for that time it looks as though I am going sideways along the street that runs across the bottom of the screen (instead of up the middle). More an amusement than a problem, but one that they'll want to fix to perfect the app.

Apart from those little things, I've found it to be an excellent app, and extraordinary value for money. I'll be sticking with it for the foreseeable future.
I am looking to get a navigation APP for my new iphone so do you think it is worth getting Mertroview over TomTom or Sygic, because it's a lot cheaper. Thanks Heaps as I am new to the Iphone.

laughingbird
17th August 2010, 03:52 PM
I am looking to get a navigation APP for my new iphone so do you think it is worth getting Mertroview over TomTom or Sygic, because it's a lot cheaper. Thanks Heaps as I am new to the Iphone.

If money is an issue, the Metroview is undoubtedly the clear winner. You lose very little in functionality, but it is only one third the price of the others.

If money is no issue, and one of the others has a particular set of functions that are important to you and which aren't matched by the others, then go for that one.

I can readily afford any of them, so I'm not choosing on price, but the cheapest one, MetroView, does pretty much everything I want in ways that I like (the few exceptions have been identified in my previous post).

However, there is no correct answer to which one is best. Different people have different requirements in terms of feature sets and different tastes in terms of the appearance, interface and sound. No one but you can tell you which one is right for you, and the only way you can work it out (other than try them all) is to read back through this whole thread, noting what people say about the relative merits of each and deciding which of those things matter to you. Good luck!

ciprol
23rd August 2010, 09:44 AM
Received my iPhone 4 car windscreen suction mount from DealExtreme on Fri and ran TomTom for the return drive to Katoomba over the weekend. It worked a treat. The mount was very stable (more so than the one for iPhone 3GS) and GPS function worked without any hiccups. Also used the speakerphone function for some phone calls and they seemed to be louder than iPhone 3GS and was adequate for the job. $5 mount, can't beat the value.

decryption
23rd August 2010, 09:59 AM
Received my iPhone 4 car windscreen suction mount from DealExtreme on Fri and ran TomTom for the return drive to Katoomba over the weekend. It worked a treat. The mount was very stable (more so than the one for iPhone 3GS) and GPS function worked without any hiccups. Also used the speakerphone function for some phone calls and they seemed to be louder than iPhone 3GS and was adequate for the job. $5 mount, can't beat the value.

Got a link to the windscreen mount you got from DX? I purchased a Kensington windscreen mount from DSE and the damn thing wobbles like crazy with the iPhone in it.

ciprol
23rd August 2010, 10:22 PM
Got a link to the windscreen mount you got from DX? I purchased a Kensington windscreen mount from DSE and the damn thing wobbles like crazy with the iPhone in it.

Sure.
DealExtreme: $5.10 Universal Car Windshield Swivel Mount Cell Phone Holder for iPhone 4 (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42783)

Looked around a bit and they have a few more options than when I ordered the one above 2 weeks ago, even colour choices. But the one I ordered still looked to be the one to get as it looked more solid and cheaper ($5.10). The clip holds around the metal antenna bands on iPhone4 and is really solid.

Given my experience, I really can't justify the need for that TomTom window mount. Yet again, I have not done too much testing within the CBD with highrises. Without a side by side comparison, it would be hard to know.

Mullarkey
24th August 2010, 12:55 PM
Just ordered the $5 mount and a $2 USB charger, will see how they go when they arrive

craigd
25th September 2010, 11:47 AM
Sure.
DealExtreme: $5.10 Universal Car Windshield Swivel Mount Cell Phone Holder for iPhone 4 (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42783)

Looked around a bit and they have a few more options than when I ordered the one above 2 weeks ago, even colour choices. But the one I ordered still looked to be the one to get as it looked more solid and cheaper ($5.10). The clip holds around the metal antenna bands on iPhone4 and is really solid.

Given my experience, I really can't justify the need for that TomTom window mount. Yet again, I have not done too much testing within the CBD with highrises. Without a side by side comparison, it would be hard to know.

I have the same one from dealxtreme. Total bargain. More than be said for the GPS apps but that's another story

Jaffa
25th September 2010, 02:02 PM
Just ordered the $5 mount and a $2 USB charger, will see how they go when they arrive

I would be very careful with the cheap chargers that have not passed the Australian regulations. Every iPhone I have seen that has been broken by one of these car chargers used a cheap non-tested chargers. My advice, for a charger, get a branded one. It will be well worth the money you pay.

canonafficionado
29th September 2010, 02:34 PM
From TomTom email today "New version of the iPhone app coming soon The latest version of our iPhone app – V1.5 – is on the way. The same award winning turn-by-turn navigation, with sharper graphics and enhanced performance. The TomTom app gets the most from your iPhone 4. It also includes updated maps and a choice of navigate-to-photo."

I'm liking the sound of this photo navigate feature. Imagine seeing a place you want to come back to but don't have the time or want to show someone else. You take a quick photo of it and then when you're ready to go back just open up the TomTom and make it navigate back to that location.

Mullarkey
1st October 2010, 09:02 AM
I would be very careful with the cheap chargers that have not passed the Australian regulations. Every iPhone I have seen that has been broken by one of these car chargers used a cheap non-tested chargers. My advice, for a charger, get a branded one. It will be well worth the money you pay.

It needs to arrive first.....

Thanks for the advice though

bowseruni
6th October 2010, 06:27 PM
Installed Metroview the other day on mine ad two other friends iphones, fantastic app for the money, works great

sleek881
15th October 2010, 07:37 PM
Tomtom is about to release new version, new maps and navigate to photo.
current app on sale at the moment for $79.99 with free upgrade.

Iphone app (http://www.tomtom.com/en_au/products/mobile-navigation/tomtom-iphone-ipod-touch/index.jsp)

rocketxr
21st October 2010, 05:25 AM
TomTom 1.5 Australia is available to download!!!

Gregmw
30th November 2010, 05:39 AM
Hi,
Do these apps chew chew up your data usage....

I am on a 1G plan.What would happen if I was to leave it on all the time driving around .?

Sorry for the dumb question

kyte
30th November 2010, 06:30 AM
Hi,
Do these apps chew chew up your data usage....

I am on a 1G plan.What would happen if I was to leave it on all the time driving around .?

Sorry for the dumb question

No, they use hardly any data at all. Its just a few k whilst they help the satellites find you. If you actually remove your SIM from the phone, you can still use the GPS, its just slower to get a fix on you. I only ever (usually) have a 150mb from Telstra and never go through it even with GPS, emailing and IM.

DeKa
7th December 2010, 01:50 PM
Is any chance to switch off this setting? Becouse when you are in other country, roaming costs maybe too high when you driving a lot, so sometimes i want to wait longer to satelite get a fix but my wallet will be safe ;)

Yes. Data Roaming Off in the Network section of Settings.app. You'd have this off if you were travelling overseas anyway.