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matreya
10th June 2009, 06:03 AM
It would appear the Apple Australia is continuing in it's tradition of fscking over it's loyal customers.

Spot the difference

Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - The world’s most advanced OS (http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/)

Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - The world?s most advanced OS (http://www.apple.com/macosx/)

That's right, no discounted upgrade price for Leopard owners.

These things are made for $2 in a factory in china. I am thoroughly sick of apple.

P.S. It looks like Apple is only showing the discounted upgrade price on their US and Canada websites.

tcn33
10th June 2009, 06:14 AM
Are you basing this solely on the lack of "Upgrade from Leopard for $XX" on the AU version? Because that seems kind of... you know, dumb.

http://img.skitch.com/20090609-xj59ctm5eq2th6n8f6bsp1mu2h.preview.jpg (http://skitch.com/toby/buxgs/us)
http://img.skitch.com/20090609-pi4kc3fun7jta4w8855i1cyikf.preview.jpg (http://skitch.com/toby/buxgh/au)

matreya
10th June 2009, 06:36 AM
ok so I over-reacted. But it's something to keep an eye on. Apple Australia have a history of screwing us over.

tcn33
10th June 2009, 06:39 AM
Which brings up the question of what will be a fair price. I'm tipping Apple Australia will set it at $49, which seems reasonable to me.

mechcon
10th June 2009, 07:44 AM
or with the way the economy is going (up it seems) $39.95

macgeek
10th June 2009, 07:44 AM
With all the new stuff under the hood of snow leopard, I'd still be willing to pay the usual $150 for this upgrade.

I really don't get it... The actual UI doesn't change and people QQ about the upgrade not being much. The iPhone outer case doesn't change and people QQ.

Theres so much new stuff going on in the back ground of snow leopard. It's one of the best updates to OS X. imo.

decryption
10th June 2009, 07:45 AM
With all the new stuff under the hood of snow leopard, I'd still be willing to pay the usual $150 for this upgrade.

I really don't get it... The actual UI doesn't change and people QQ about the upgrade not being much. The iPhone outer case doesn't change and people QQ.

Theres so much new stuff going on in the back ground of snow leopard. It's one of the best updates to OS X. imo.

Um, what does QQ mean? (maybe I'm getting old)

forno
10th June 2009, 07:47 AM
ok so I over-reacted. But it's something to keep an eye on. Apple Australia have a history of screwing us over.

Dont like the terms dont buy the product.:rolleyes:

Phunky
10th June 2009, 08:13 AM
Um, what does QQ mean? (maybe I'm getting old)

OO are eyes
QQ are eyes with tears i.e. crying / whinging

Came from WoW players

mitty
10th June 2009, 08:14 AM
Um, what does QQ mean? (maybe I'm getting old)

Urban Dictionary: qq (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=qq)

don't worry, I hadn't heard of it either. But then I'm much older than you :D

EDIT beaten!

icant
10th June 2009, 08:48 AM
ok so I over-reacted. But it's something to keep an eye on. Apple Australia have a history of screwing us over.

OK. I’ll just wake up early and create a new Apple RIPOFF thread. Half hour later: My bad.

http://img.skitch.com/20090609-bhcar21uyfq257m4fwbagk9n7d.jpg

rmac
10th June 2009, 09:19 AM
Apple must have changed it. i took a screeny yesterday as i had a funny feeling the price would increase or be removed. this is from Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - The world’s most advanced OS (http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/) btw but i have no proof other than the picture was modified yesterday at 7:51am.

http://img.skitch.com/20090609-j51ufsnmhqcfcbtqhdqjyku867.jpg

do you reckon this can be used as evidence to buy SL for $14.95?

Lutze
10th June 2009, 11:12 AM
Apple must have changed it. i took a screeny yesterday as i had a funny feeling the price would increase or be removed. this is from Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - The world’s most advanced OS (http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/) btw but i have no proof other than the picture was modified yesterday at 7:51am.

http://img.skitch.com/20090609-j51ufsnmhqcfcbtqhdqjyku867.jpg

do you reckon this can be used as evidence to buy SL for $14.95?

Nope. Objects in the rear view mirror. Just because it said it before does not make it so on point of sale. Until it's sold the price does not stand. As it's not available yet it's not worth the pixels it's on.

Dux
10th June 2009, 11:17 AM
Anything less than $49 is a good deal, IMO

bartron
10th June 2009, 11:19 AM
I'm not surprised the took down the $14.95 price....seemed too good to be true.

I'd guess they removed it and will review the upgrade price. If you still think they are going to rip you off then buy it from the US and get it shipped here.

leon
10th June 2009, 11:20 AM
I was fully prepared to pay $129-$169 for Snow Leopard. I find that anything less that full OS RRP is a huge bonus.

Lutze
10th June 2009, 11:23 AM
I was fully prepared to pay $129-$169 for Snow Leopard. I find that anything less that full OS RRP is a huge bonus.

My thoughts exactly. I was ready to hand over $150+ (I've never bought OS X here so I don't know what it normally costs) but every new release since Panther I've been outside an Apple Store on day of release waiting to hand over the folding stuff.

If it comes out at <$80 for a family pack I'm going to be VERY happy.

Phase
10th June 2009, 11:24 AM
I was fully prepared to pay $129-$169 for Snow Leopard. I find that anything less that full OS RRP is a huge bonus.

Yep, same here.

The improvements are fantastic, and come on, like I'm not going to upgrade.

Please.

grfxninja
10th June 2009, 12:08 PM
Ditto. I am happy to pay full price for the enhancements that I have seen.
Rebuilt Finder for a start!

And as Phase has said, as if I could hold myself back anyway!

El Guardo
10th June 2009, 12:50 PM
And lets not forget the full upgrade price - a lot of apps are going to need to be upgraded and some developers are already stating that there will be a fee for doing so. So while it might have cost $150 to move to the new OS, I was already expecting to pay hundreds more by the time I upgraded my copies of Undercover, SuperDuper!, LittleSnapper, Coda/Espresso/Textmate, Aperture and so on.

matthewk
10th June 2009, 02:01 PM
Maybe, just maybe, in the 30 hours since its announce, Apple Aus hasn't been able to determine the price they want to charge.

matreya
10th June 2009, 03:05 PM
OK. I’ll just wake up early and create a new Apple RIPOFF thread. Half hour later: My bad.

http://img.skitch.com/20090609-bhcar21uyfq257m4fwbagk9n7d.jpg

Oh boo hoo, I'm being ignored by a douchebag I don't know, and who doesn't know me.

Phase
10th June 2009, 03:11 PM
Oh boo hoo, I'm being ignored by a douchebag I don't know, and who doesn't know me.

The best part is he can't read your retort.

:crazy:

matreya
10th June 2009, 03:19 PM
I was fully prepared to pay $129-$169 for Snow Leopard. I find that anything less that full OS RRP is a huge bonus.

Are any of you actually using Snow Leopard?

As someone that's been using it for well over 2 weeks, I don't think it's worth the usual full price (158) or 229 from last time (10.5).

Sure, it's faster, but it also introduces problems that will need to be fixed by other developers. some menu extras don't work properly or at all (e.g. menumeters)

IMHO, 10.6 is what 10.5 should have been, but took too long to develop.

DagrtheSnide
10th June 2009, 03:22 PM
Is 10.6 still in beta or is it now RC ?

matreya
10th June 2009, 03:24 PM
Ditto. I am happy to pay full price for the enhancements that I have seen.
Rebuilt Finder for a start![/I]

I don't see the point in being enthusiastic about paying to get Apple to fix an application that has been crap for YEARS. The Finder has been in desperate need of a complete rebuild for over 5 years. None of the various incarnations have been decent up until 10.6.

And I swear, they've changed the way the progress bar in the Finder shows a file copy's progress to give the illusion it's actually a lot faster than before, and it's NOT.

matreya
10th June 2009, 03:29 PM
The best part is he can't read your retort.

:crazy:

Well, perhaps he changed a vowel in his online persona to get approval.

Despite the bad start, I think the predominance of reasonable people posting replies has made this a worthwhile thread.

NeoRicen
10th June 2009, 03:31 PM
None of the various incarnations have been decent up until 10.6.

Are you saying the Finder is still bad in 10.6, or better now with 10.6?

Lutze
10th June 2009, 03:33 PM
Are any of you actually using Snow Leopard?

As someone that's been using it for well over 2 weeks, I don't think it's worth the usual full price (158) or 229 from last time (10.5).

Sure, it's faster, but it also introduces problems that will need to be fixed by other developers. some menu extras don't work properly or at all (e.g. menumeters)

IMHO, 10.6 is what 10.5 should have been, but took too long to develop.

Maybe.

Disagree

Such as? (sure some applications are not yet RELEASED as SL ready - however updates generally don't cost more when it's to support an updated OS)

Apple has pretty much said as much. However it goes further than what most people were expecting.

Personally, as I said before, I'd have paid full price for it - and after my experience of using the BETA that is currently available I have actively told people that I think it's worth it (even before the low price was announced).

And to answer - RC of SL has not been released to the developers, I believe, yet....

Lutze
10th June 2009, 03:34 PM
Are you saying the Finder is still bad in 10.6, or better now with 10.6?

What's your problem with Finder? (that reads as being snide, but it's not meant to... I'm asking to see if I can answer)

NeoRicen
10th June 2009, 03:53 PM
What's your problem with Finder? (that reads as being snide, but it's not meant to... I'm asking to see if I can answer)
Nothing, but matreya clearly has one, I was just asking if his comment meant that in his opinion it was better or the same in 10.6.

jamesdfulton
10th June 2009, 04:34 PM
$50 or less would be good

TheKeddi
10th June 2009, 04:48 PM
Yeah, take a look at what Microsoft will charge for Windows 7 and rejoice we own Macs!!!

DagrtheSnide
10th June 2009, 05:21 PM
Why the change though ? if Apple charged the usual price people will still buy it.

Do they fill threatened by Win 7,
Have Apple had a change of heart regarding their prices,
Is this price all the value they see in this release,
Maybe they want to encourage as many people as possible to switch and use Intel only 10.6 so they can forget about 10.5 and PPC.

I just hope 10.6 will live up to expectations and not be a beta release like 10.5.0

cmanou
10th June 2009, 05:27 PM
The 14.95 price that used to be up was if you bought a mac after June 8(Uptodate Program)
Linkage:
Australia (http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/specs.html)
US (http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html)

Mark_iMac
10th June 2009, 05:36 PM
The 14.95 price that used to be up was if you bought a mac after June 8(Uptodate Program)


Damn I'm two weeks of.

bennettnz
10th June 2009, 05:41 PM
QQ - unbelievable people actually use that?!! Bury me now.

wolfie
10th June 2009, 05:47 PM
I don't mind the price, getting it for 15 bucks.
But if I wasn't eligible, I don't think I would have paid over 50.

AfterBurner_1
10th June 2009, 05:54 PM
Why the change though ? if Apple charged the usual price people will still buy it.

Do they fill threatened by Win 7,
Have Apple had a change of heart regarding their prices,
Is this price all the value they see in this release,
Maybe they want to encourage as many people as possible to switch and use Intel only 10.6 so they can forget about 10.5 and PPC.

I just hope 10.6 will live up to expectations and not be a beta release like 10.5.0 the day the Apple Tax shows signs of abating the day is the day i'll be stupendously happy and then still not be able to afford it.

savings. right. just give err, $800 a week?

TheKeddi
10th June 2009, 07:01 PM
I can't believe people are moaning about the price tho,

grow up sooky la-la's, no one is making you buy it!

El Guardo
10th June 2009, 07:38 PM
Another thing to consider - as per the Keynote, Apple's notebook users have gone from 25 million to just less than 75 million in the past two years. So now, instead of paying more than $300 and battling to understand the various versions of Windows, they're going to experience the joy of their first OS upgrade process all for $29.

Just adding to the halo effect...

kiwijohn
10th June 2009, 08:33 PM
I recall paying a lot more for Tiger when I bought my Touch. It would have been cheaper to run Leopard, but I couldn't.

cosmichobo
11th June 2009, 12:36 AM
What did 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 cost?

cosmichobo
11th June 2009, 12:46 AM
What's your problem with Finder? (that reads as being snide, but it's not meant to... I'm asking to see if I can answer)

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/49451-finder-crashes-when-cancelling-copy.html

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/47149-double-click-double-click-doh.html

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/32206-finder-windows.html

Lutze
11th June 2009, 12:59 AM
http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/49451-finder-crashes-when-cancelling-copy.html

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/47149-double-click-double-click-doh.html

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/11/32206-finder-windows.html

So.. 3 issues you've had with Finder in 3 years? Okay... I've not seen any of those issues in the beta version of Snow Leopard.

The finder has worked extremely well in almost every test I've thrown at it. The one test I did that seemed to screw with it was to do with a new feature - so I'll forgive that until I know it makes it into final copy with the problem I saw (Put Back produced an error when trying to put a file back - it's only happened once.)

matreya
11th June 2009, 01:38 AM
Is 10.6 still in beta or is it now RC ?

It's still beta - the developer preview build at WWDC is 10a380 I believe.

matreya
11th June 2009, 01:40 AM
Nothing, but matreya clearly has one, I was just asking if his comment meant that in his opinion it was better or the same in 10.6.

It's definitely better, but still, is SL worth a full upgrade price? I think not, and Apple offering the discounted pricing to Leopard owners to upgrade would support that.

Lutze
11th June 2009, 01:45 AM
It's definitely better, but still, is SL worth a full upgrade price? I think not, and Apple offering the discounted pricing to Leopard owners to upgrade would support that.

I still disagree with this view.

If you use your computer for anything that it currently finds taxing the new technology in SL seems, at least from the tests that I've done, to be better. Considering it's a beta with some apps not set up for it yet, it still performs tasks faster.

wholikespotatoes
11th June 2009, 01:46 AM
Dont like the terms dont buy the product

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matreya
11th June 2009, 02:13 PM
I still disagree with this view.

If you use your computer for anything that it currently finds taxing the new technology in SL seems, at least from the tests that I've done, to be better. Considering it's a beta with some apps not set up for it yet, it still performs tasks faster.

Well, after installing 10a380, web pages are wickedly fast (much faster than the previous SL build I was using) in Safari and Omniweb (which uses the new webkit).

Still, I don't think it's worth $158 to $229 like previous versions of OS X.

Anyway, it's 3 months away, not too long for some :)

cosmichobo
11th June 2009, 02:29 PM
So.. 3 issues you've had with Finder in 3 years? Okay... I've not seen any of those issues in the beta version of Snow Leopard.

All of these were under Tiger (and/or Panther). But from what I've been told, they were not fixed by Leopard.

Glad to see they are hopefully fixed under SL. Apple acknowledged them as "known issues", but that was in the early days of 10.5, and not fixed in the . updates.

NeoRicen
11th June 2009, 03:24 PM
What did 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 cost?
10.0 was $129USD, 10.1 was free, 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 were all $129USD.

In Australia Tiger retailed for $200 and Leopard for $158, the change was only due to and increase in the value of the Australian dollar, they went for the same price in the US.

aafuss
12th June 2009, 02:32 PM
Hope Snow Leopard will cost around $40-$50 for Leopard users/

Bart Smastard
26th June 2009, 02:31 PM
Microsoft have announced prices for Windows 7 (all flavours... all yucky). And it seems that Aussie Windows users wishing to upgrade (and not wise enough to have switched to Mac) will cop a reaming from M$ AU.
(Sources: cnet AU (http://www.cnet.com.au/microsoft-hikes-win7-prices-for-australia-339297112.htm). APC (http://apcmag.com/europe-to-be-a-windows-7-upgrade-free-zone.htm)).

I hope Apple AU don't apply the same size reaming tool to the Snow Leopard price.

David Turnedge
26th June 2009, 04:36 PM
Maybe head office hasn't worked out foreign pricing yet? Apple generally appears to follow a single world wide price model with allowances for local taxes and foreign exchange. Bit of an overreaction.

Angsty
26th June 2009, 04:59 PM
Microsoft have announced prices for Windows 7 .....

There are some pre-release offers available for orders online for $99US and $49US if you can find them...

Not sure if it will let me order from AU though...

AfterBurner_1
26th June 2009, 05:15 PM
Well I'll be going over to windows 7 and Snow Leopard. Bring on the new job bring ok a new 17" MBP.

markpalavra
26th June 2009, 05:28 PM
Is the RRP for Snow Leopard going to be US$29, or is that only an "upgrade" price for owners of Leopard?

EMKarelia
28th June 2009, 05:02 AM
I can't for it to come out.

Reubania
28th June 2009, 09:51 AM
Here's a novel thought. How about we just wait till August/September when Apple finalises the pricing for the Snow Leopard upgrade and then we can bitch/moan/applaud their decision?

I know I'm not one to pay for the full version whenever a new OS comes out. So far with Apple, I've just bought machines that come with it (Tiger and Leopard). BUT when Apple did announce this rather cheap incentive to upgrade to Snow Leopard, I bit into it and wanted to upgrade.

So I think they will try to reflect that for us down here. They also tried with the iPhone 3G pricing and I'm sure they will try with Snow Leopard. It is their endeavour to get ALL Leopard users to upgrade to this.

Lutze
28th June 2009, 10:21 AM
Is the RRP for Snow Leopard going to be US$29, or is that only an "upgrade" price for owners of Leopard?

The announced RRP(s) for Snow Leopard are:

$9.95 - Up to date (http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/) program (Buy a new Mac in the Period from 8 June 2009)

$29 - Upgrade (http://www.apple.com/macosx/) (info can be found in the advert window at the bottom) from Leopard disk

There has been no announcement on the full box retail price (Upgrade from Tiger is the only real reason for buying this one)

applesalesman
28th June 2009, 08:31 PM
You could buy a new mac, get snow leopard, add external volume, load OS on to said volume, head to old mac that required upgrade and clone to it from the external volume.

That does mean buying a new mac though... ;)

Dux
6th July 2009, 08:49 PM
Neato. $14.95 as long as you request an upgrade before 26th December this year!

Apple - Mac OS X - Update your new Mac with Mac OS X Snow Leopard (http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/uptodate/)

Gio
15th July 2009, 07:42 PM
Just bought a new imac and was told to keep this docket for $14.99 SL

Danoss
15th July 2009, 08:35 PM
Just bought a new imac and was told to keep this docket for $14.99 SL
Go to the link in the above post and you can buy that copy of the Snow Leopard upgrade through the Apple store for that price. When it's available, they'll just ship it straight to you and email you when they've done that.

You don't need the receipt number or anything, just the store you bought it from and the serial number of your shiny new iMac.

In regards to the upgrade, does anyone have an inkling whether it will be an upgrade a la Microsoft Windows upgrade discs or the full OS? I really despise doing an upgrade, I prefer doing a clean install in one hit.

EDIT: Looks like it's actually an upgrade disc. LAME. Well, I wasted $14.95 on that. Guess I'll have to grab the full install disc when it comes out.