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iMacca
10th September 2008, 10:05 AM
Has anyone else got the feeling that the iphone has been a little left out after the 'let's rock' event?

I'm basing this on the fact that the new in ear earphones, with a mic, are not supported by the iphone (that just seems crazy) and the nike + has been built into the touch, but no mention of it for the iphone.

I bought an iphone to be an all in one device, to do everything that my touch could do, combined with my phone (plus more). I don't want to go to the gym and have my iphone sitting in my bag while I use a touch or nano with nike +.

I'm hoping things will change on Friday as some have suggested, when the 2.1 update comes out.

What do people thinK?

Scooterpig
10th September 2008, 10:12 AM
I guess with the 3G not long ago released they don't wanna trump all the cards so close together.

bok
10th September 2008, 10:13 AM
I'd go with the 2.1 theory, those things are more than likely dependant on the as-yet unavailable firmware upgrade

Japester
10th September 2008, 10:16 AM
Seeing that the microphone is intended for recording on all iPod models, it's conceivable that this is indeed functionality yet to come, at which point it will be compatible. I'm hoping so. This is exactly what I want for my iPhone.

uncyherb
10th September 2008, 10:49 AM
Remember that for some parts of the world the iPhone 3G has only been available for less than three weeks as it's release date was just the 22nd of August.

Any serious update would be just stupid at this point. Apple are still ramping up to meet full demand world-wide... there is no reason business wise to have anything other than software changes.

I would expect at least 6 months from release till we see anything new on the iPhone front.

matthewk
10th September 2008, 10:50 AM
We have no idea if this new iPod Touch and Nike+ integration is because the iPod touch has the RF sensor now or if it is because Nike+ will be moving to a type of Wi-Fi connection. If its the latter then the iPhone will get the same with 2.1.

ppops
10th September 2008, 11:06 AM
We have no idea if this new iPod Touch and Nike+ integration is because the iPod touch has the RF sensor now or if it is because Nike+ will be moving to a type of Wi-Fi connection. If its the latter then the iPhone will get the same with 2.1.

Confirmed: Nike+ Only Works With 2nd Gen iPod Touch, Not iPhone or 1st Gen iTouch (http://gizmodo.com/5047450/confirmed-nike%252B-only-works-with-2nd-gen-ipod-touch-not-iphone-or-1st-gen-itouch)

That is just crap if you ask me! :mad:
I'm pissed off Apple.

matthewk
10th September 2008, 11:10 AM
Confirmed: Nike+ Only Works With 2nd Gen iPod Touch, Not iPhone or 1st Gen iTouch (http://gizmodo.com/5047450/confirmed-nike%252B-only-works-with-2nd-gen-ipod-touch-not-iphone-or-1st-gen-itouch)

Damn. Well thats something for next year's iPhone update. Unless Nike+ goes standard Wi-Fi (http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/11/nike-going-wifi-and-3g-headed-to-iphone/).

Linux_insidev2
10th September 2008, 11:12 AM
It was an event called "Let's Rock" - obviously about iPods

Madone
10th September 2008, 11:14 AM
Confirmed: Nike+ Only Works With 2nd Gen iPod Touch, Not iPhone or 1st Gen iTouch (http://gizmodo.com/5047450/confirmed-nike%252B-only-works-with-2nd-gen-ipod-touch-not-iphone-or-1st-gen-itouch)

That is just crap if you ask me! :mad:
I'm pissed off Apple.

I am pissing myself laughing, you people are sad (read: arrogant)

The iTouch has only (approx 7.5 hours ago) had this capability available to it, and your bitching that it's not on the iPhone.

Anyone that is a serious runner wouldn't use this product anyways, as it has had very mixed results. Essentially the calibration is out, and doesn't take into account stride length.

I have one, and use it occasionally, with a nano, as it the right size to slip into an arm band. Can you imagine running with an iPhone on your arm? FFS it's too big for that. When I run, especially with music I leave my phone at home, be a great run if your constantly interrupted by calls. NOT.

Sometimes people need to arrive at a Friday night, take there watch off, turn the TV, Computer and all other Electronic devices off. Go for a walk, read a book and get back to reality.

iMacca
10th September 2008, 11:59 AM
Confirmed: Nike+ Only Works With 2nd Gen iPod Touch, Not iPhone or 1st Gen iTouch

That is just crap if you ask me!
I'm pissed off Apple.

Hmmm.. well that sucks....


I am pissing myself laughing, you people are sad (read: arrogant)

The iTouch has only (approx 7.5 hours ago) had this capability available to it, and your bitching that it's not on the iPhone.

Anyone that is a serious runner wouldn't use this product anyways, as it has had very mixed results. Essentially the calibration is out, and doesn't take into account stride length.

Not bitching mate, was just curious on what peoples thoughts were on this. To me it just seems like Apple is saying "buy an iphone, the device that does everything.... oh but if you want these extras you'll need to buy an ipod too"

I bought an iphone because I like the idea that I don't have to carry around a phone and an ipod.

I would like to try out nike + and thinking it's an interesting product (clearly you thought that too at one stage as an owner of the it). I'm not a serious runner, I go to the gym to keep fit and atm I am running with my iphone on my arm and have no complaints.


Sometimes people need to arrive at a Friday night, take there watch off, turn the TV, Computer and all other Electronic devices off. Go for a walk, read a book and get back to reality.

I like gadgets, don't get me wrong but my life doesn't revolve around them and I already live in the real world, I don't limit it to a Friday night special occasion. Simply put, I was interested in nike + coming out for the iphone, it has been announced for the ipod touch and not the iphone. I am a little disappointed about this and wanted to see what others were thinking, excuse me if that makes me sad and arrogant.

sox11
10th September 2008, 12:13 PM
i dont think so seeming it is an iPod event

TheWatchman
10th September 2008, 12:30 PM
Are iPhones not iPods?

iMacca
10th September 2008, 12:31 PM
yeah wasn't expecting anyhti g to really be announced about the iPhone at an iPod event, was just a bit bummed about the Nike plus for touch and not iPhone lol

Rant
10th September 2008, 12:40 PM
Personally, I'm hoping for integrated voice recording for the iPhone, but it's not even mentioned for the Touch.

Tap to insert chapter marking is très slick.

iPhone seems to be an iPod to me... and it seems a little heavy to go jogging with. Now if it had a step counter... surely the accelerometer can do that??

Alec Fraser
10th September 2008, 12:42 PM
What annoys me more is that the the touch 1G, iPhone and iPhone 3G don't get any Nike+ lovin...nor does the new headphones with in-line controls support the iPhone in any flavor...come on Apple, you KNEW what you had coming down the pipe...put the headphone jacks in to all devices so that they're compatible...I want some in-ear goodness with inline volume control for my 3G...

I get why they've built Nike+ in, added the external volume controls and the speaker, they're adding features to justify the price of the touch when compared to the iPhone. That's cool...just let me use the same software with the Nike+ receiver!! I've got a Nike+ kit my top drawer just waiting for this functionality!!!

mitty
10th September 2008, 12:50 PM
Some one just needs to write an app like Nokia Sportstracker (http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/main/index.do) for the iphone. That worked beautifully on GPS enabled Nokias and is much more accurate than the Nike thing. No extra hardware required.

Alec Fraser
10th September 2008, 12:55 PM
I am pissing myself laughing, you people are sad (read: arrogant)

Anyone that is a serious runner wouldn't use this product anyways, as it has had very mixed results. Essentially the calibration is out, and doesn't take into account stride length.



So I'm arrogant and just because I'm not a serious runner I'm not allowed to be annoyed that a tool I could use as a non-serious runner is not available on my platform of choice despite there being no technical limitation to doing so?

lama323
10th September 2008, 12:57 PM
despite there being no technical limitation to doing so?

not being an idiot or anything
but why haven't they put it on the iphone? maybe there is a technical limitation stopping them?

tonyberinson
10th September 2008, 01:04 PM
I am cross posting - but this thread needs this also..

Alongside the other announcements, Apple announced that the iPhone 2.1 firmware will be released this Friday as a free update. The much anticipated version upgrade will address many of the issues that have been plaguing iPhone users. Changes include:

- Significantly better battery life
- Fewer call drops
- Bug fixes
- Faster backups to iTunes
- No App crashes

The iPhone 2.1 firmware will presumably support the same Genius playlist features described in the new iPod Touches. (Nike+iPod support will be unlikely without a hardware add-on since it uses specialized hardware to communicate with the transmitter.)

No mention of background push notifications were made, however, which were originally planned for a September release.

sikosis
10th September 2008, 01:23 PM
Just wanted to point out, the update is actually available immediately and not on Friday/Saturday.

Update: Sorry I was using my US iTunes account which is why it was available. Also, Jobs said it was available today -- don't tell me he lied to us ... :)

MightyAtom
10th September 2008, 01:30 PM
(Nike+iPod support will be unlikely without a hardware add-on since it uses specialized hardware to communicate with the transmitter.)
Yet, oddly enough, when you buy the Nike+iPod kit the specialised hardware is included. This makes no sense, it's just Apple trying to force product differentiation.

When my Nano dies I'm buying a Garmin Forerunner.

nando
10th September 2008, 01:30 PM
Just wanted to point out, the update is actually available immediately and not on Friday/Saturday.

ehh??? is available imeediately for the ipod touch..NOT iphone as far as I am concern...???

VALANDI
10th September 2008, 01:34 PM
why would you want nike + in your iphone anyways?

Alec Fraser
10th September 2008, 01:48 PM
why would you want nike + in your iphone anyways?

So that I can use my iPhone, which holds all the music and podcasts that I want to listen to while I run, to track my progress instead of having a separate iPod to do that. Is that so unreasonable?

As for there being some technical limitation. They make the software, and Mobile OSX can talk to the Nike+ hardware built into the new touch. They make the hardware and there's a receiver withing the Nike+ pack that works with existing iPods via the dock connector. So I really don't think it's that difficult to allow the Nike+ software in 2.1 to talk to the receiver attached to the dock connector.

MightyAtom
10th September 2008, 02:15 PM
why would you want nike + in your iphone anyways?

For all the reason thatfilthyspringbok mentioned. Also, I'd rather not have to carry a Nano or iPod touch AND iPhone when I'm running. You know, just in case I fall down and can't get up or get hit by a car, and need to call an ambulance.


As for there being some technical limitation.

The only technical limitation I can think of is if the iPhone lacks the physical connection to communicate with the receiver. The iPhone dock connector has a full compliment of gold contacts, so that seems unlikely.

The Fluffy Duck
10th September 2008, 02:25 PM
Thats pretty poo that the iphone wont support this feature. IM not impressed. likewise I want my iphone to be an all in one device. Arnt apple meant to be fuelling this convergence not capitalising?

azajohns
10th September 2008, 04:58 PM
What did they actually do to the dock connector on the iphone? I'm guessing this is why the Nike+ won't work, and the Apple Radio remote, and a whole bunch of other accessories and speakers etc I've read about. I know they changed it somehow, but why? Was there some benefit? Was there a technical reason? It baffles me. I could almost understand if they were releasing 'NEW' accessories to fit these 'NEW' connectors, it would be about making money. But they're not, its just tough titties, 'no more accessories for you!'

scruffie
10th September 2008, 06:15 PM
I think the iPhone was left out deliberately to promote the glory of the iPod touch and all the other iPods just before the Xmas season. It kinda makes sense, if you dont want the iPhone to cannibalise all the sales, then you would want to make the touch an awesome music/gaming etc etc device rather than positioning it as the poorer cousin of the iPhone.

I say give it time. I reckon eventually it will be out on the iPhone. BTW how do you run with an iPhone? Do you guys use an armband or something. Its too heavy for me to leave it in my pocket.

dolbinau
10th September 2008, 08:26 PM
iPhone is Apple's flagship product. I don't personally care there will be no Nike+iPod features but I'd expect it too..

battye
10th September 2008, 08:35 PM
Are iPhones not iPods?

iPhones are iPhones :p

grorr76
11th September 2008, 12:38 PM
Damn. Well thats something for next year's iPhone update. Unless Nike+ goes standard Wi-Fi (http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/11/nike-going-wifi-and-3g-headed-to-iphone/).

it actually makes perfect sence. apple are adding functionality that gives the touch more nich features that deserniate it from the iphone.

macaholic
11th September 2008, 12:48 PM
I thought Safari has spell-checking.
:p

lenman74
11th September 2008, 01:48 PM
so what do you do with a microphone on an ipod?

queraxus
11th September 2008, 02:03 PM
This really is a stupid thread.

For the last year, and particularly in the last several weeks, all we have heard from Apple and Apple fans around the world is iPhone, iPhone and iPhone.

Now, there is talk of something that ISN'T related to the iPhone, and people are complaining about it being ignored.

Get some perspective.

Wardofsky
21st September 2008, 08:38 PM
To clarify for those still wondering, the compat. information is up on the site.


*Compatibility Information

The remote and mic are supported only by iPod nano (4th generation), iPod classic (120GB), and iPod touch (2nd generation). Audio is supported by all iPod models.

I initially thought it would be a hardware difference considering the iPhone headset has a single click function whereas the new in-ear have a tri-click, but both headsets have a four conductor 3.5mm jack, so I'm not quite sure why it's incompatible.

I assume though, that you'll still have the functions of the new headphones (mic, single click) just without that of the volume control.