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decryption
11th May 2004, 11:17 AM
PearPC - http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/index.html

Going by the screenshots, it works.
I'll probably install it on my Athlon XP 2800+ and give it a try when I get home from TAFE :)

Craigglez
11th May 2004, 11:30 AM
Looks VERY interesting. I'm not willing to give it a go at this stage in the game (just finished selling off all my PC stuff) but its looking tempting.

Onc fully developed, if this emulator can deliver OS X on x86 with little or no slowdown, and fully supports the x86 hardware (including SMP) I will never buy an Apple machine again :) The main reason I like Apple stuff is because of OS X; if there is a way I can get the goodness of OS X on cheap PC hardware I'll do it!

sillydog701
11th May 2004, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Craigglez@May 11 2004, 11:30 AM
Onc fully developed, if this emulator can deliver OS X on x86 with little or no slowdown, and fully supports the x86 hardware (including SMP) I will never buy an Apple machine again :) The main reason I like Apple stuff is because of OS X; if there is a way I can get the goodness of OS X on cheap PC hardware I'll do it!
And I am sure when that day comes, Apple will make sure that the new OS X won't be able to run on emulated environment...
:finder:

But the good news is... people will start to port OS X for x86, I guess.

elvis
11th May 2004, 04:22 PM
Next project for elvis:

Minimalist debian install on an X86 box that boots into a rootless X11 with a non-themened x-windows client, and starts a full-screen PearPC session running MacOSX.

Sounds like fun to me! :D

LCGuy
11th May 2004, 07:33 PM
As soon as i d/l Darwin (you need Darwin to format the disk image), i'm putting Jag on this Dell...i'll tell you how i go! :D

Shawry
11th May 2004, 11:54 PM
seems a little complicated to get running from the "getting started" thing on the webpage :(

LCGuy
12th May 2004, 06:50 AM
Mmm...it should be worth it though! :D

Byrd
12th May 2004, 08:59 AM
An unofficial PearPC guide can be found here (http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=934).

The Pear PC Emaculation Forum here (http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=f9137f092a60224773f1fbf9ba8e5c8f)

... still looks like a lot of work to setup, but can't wait to see what it'll become after a few more point releases. On the forum one guy got his AXP 2800+ to boot 10.3 in under 4 minutes using the JIT compiler, sort of interesting. Only 10.2 and 10.3 are supported.

SheepShaver (http://www.emaculation.com/sheepshaver.php), a linux PPC 604e CPU emulator (which runs PPC OSes 8.5 - 9.x) has existed for sometime. Again needs a bit of work to get going, and is quite slow. Has anyone ever tried it?

JB

LCGuy
12th May 2004, 09:21 AM
Damn...it looks like it ain't supported by Jag, which is all i have. Ah well, still gonna give it a go anyway. :P

LCGuy
12th May 2004, 06:56 PM
It really works. :D So far its booted off the Jag CD, and i'm now going to launch Disk Utility to format the HD image. It took 17 minutes to boot. It's really slow, but it works. :D

Byrd
12th May 2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by LCGuy@May 12 2004, 06:56 PM
It really works. :D So far its booted off the Jag CD, and i'm now going to launch Disk Utility to format the HD image. It took 17 minutes to boot. It's really slow, but it works. :D
Great LCGuy :) Did it take you long to setup the script, did you install from the 10.3 CD itself/an image, if slow what sort of x86 CPU do you have?

JB

LCGuy
12th May 2004, 08:38 PM
It took me about 24 hours to figure out what the hell to do, that time including sleeping, eating, going to the toilet, checking my email, checking forums. socialising, going to class, and doing all that other stuff we need to do. :P Due to the fact that i don't have a copy of 10.3, i'm using Jaguar, and i made an ISO of my Jaguar CD, which i am installing from. :)

Edit - Btw, i have a 2 Ghz Pentium 4 with 512K of cache. :)

sillydog701
13th May 2004, 01:26 AM
someone posted a rather nice picture...
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther installed and running on PearPC (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sherry.ponting/Junk/PearPC2.jpg)
...
Over the PearPC forums, people already asking for free copies (downloads) of Panther

-> not looking good.

LCGuy
13th May 2004, 07:59 AM
I wonder how long it will take Apple to find the page and nuke it though. :(

elvis
13th May 2004, 09:07 AM
Apple have absolutely no way of nuking a PPC emulator. They can of course shut forums and discussion groups down for asking about pirate versions of their software. But the sourceforge page itself is relatively safe.

Of course, Apple have been known in the past to put continual pressure on groups until they fold "of their own free will" *cough cough*. So there's no stopping that from happening, I guess.

Byrd
15th May 2004, 12:04 PM
This site (http://kevinrose.typepad.com/kr/2004/05/osx_is_running_.html) outlines how to setup and install OS X under PearPC relatively easily, including setup scripts. But do you really have to install the Darwin source code as well?

JB

LCGuy
15th May 2004, 12:42 PM
Nope. I just used the OS X Disk Utility, like you would on a real Mac. Worked fine for me. :)

Crambo
15th May 2004, 07:16 PM
Free will comes in black suits and a plethora of muscle nowadays. Will things ever be the same? Anyway, we really have nothing to fear and I'm sure that Apple won't worry too much, XP skinning poses more of a threat than this does as far as detracting from sales. Most users will probably be out for the "I can run OS X on my X86 machine" kick, if so great and enjoy it! :)

Disko
6th July 2004, 02:24 PM
Looks like one of the main guys behind it has been hit by a train and killed
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/index.html

R.I.P. :(

purana
6th July 2004, 02:47 PM
Yes indeed.. shame..

Talk about unlucky..

Cam
6th July 2004, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by sillydog701+May 11 2004, 01:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sillydog701 &#064; May 11 2004, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Craigglez@May 11 2004, 11:30 AM
Onc fully developed, if this emulator can deliver OS X on x86 with little or no slowdown, and fully supports the x86 hardware (including SMP) I will never buy an Apple machine again :) The main reason I like Apple stuff is because of OS X; if there is a way I can get the goodness of OS X on cheap PC hardware I&#39;ll do it&#33;
And I am sure when that day comes, Apple will make sure that the new OS X won&#39;t be able to run on emulated environment...
:finder:

But the good news is... people will start to port OS X for x86, I guess. [/b][/quote]
Its quite impossible for someone to make a operating system that cant be emulated..

As the very definition of the word emulation, a emulator &#39;emulates&#39; the hardware for the OS to run on.

The only way that Apple could stop people from emulating their operating system on different architectures would be legal action.

Also, you cant port OS X unless Apple released the source code for it.. Which I imagine is never going to happen.. I dont see Apple frequently contributing back to the OSS community, afterall.. it was only the OSS that gave them the technology for their most successfull operating system Mac OS X.

pipsqeek
8th July 2004, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Disko@Jul 6 2004, 02:24 PM
Looks like one of the main guys behind it has been hit by a train and killed
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/index.html

R.I.P. :(
Hit by a train, or so it may seem...
Crambo put it well, "......black suits and a plethora of muscle......"

__________________________________________________ ______________

Apple has put alot back into the OSS community.

At the WWDC preview show in Sydney, we had a numerous number of developers, including the guy that made, Authoxy, which was free, then shareware (or something) and now its free again. Telling about how Apple has taken technology developed from OSS, and developed it further. Then given it back to the OS world.

I think Steve Jobs is a big believer in Karma and he does the right thing as best as he can.

I can only assume this...never met the guy, he could be the most nastiest person ever met.

But in the movie, "Pirates of Silicon Valley" Steve Woz said that the movie as one of the most accurate documentry/story/whatever you want to call it. So if you want to know what Steve is like, watch the movie.

the_argon
8th July 2004, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by pipsqeek@Jul 8 2004, 10:06 AM
Apple has put alot back into the OSS community.

At the WWDC preview show in Sydney, we had a numerous number of developers, including the guy that made, Authoxy, which was free, then shareware (or something) and now its free again. Telling about how Apple has taken technology developed from OSS, and developed it further. Then given it back to the OS world.

I think Steve Jobs is a big believer in Karma and he does the right thing as best as he can.

I can only assume this...never met the guy, he could be the most nastiest person ever met.

But in the movie, "Pirates of Silicon Valley" Steve Woz said that the movie as one of the most accurate documentry/story/whatever you want to call it. So if you want to know what Steve is like, watch the movie.
Not to mention also that Safari was built on KHTML the core of KDE&#39;s Konqueror web browser. Changes made were submitted back to the KHTML dev team. I am guessing all their christmas&#39; came at once, hearing that Apple were using their work, spending time and money building on it and returning the improvements back to them and the OSS community. link (http://dot.kde.org/1041971213/).

To quote Anti-Trust "knowledge belongs to the world." I think it&#39;s great that a big company like Apple are getting on the OSS bandwagon and supporting the community&#33;

I still haven&#39;t seen Pirates of Silicon Valley I&#39;ll have to go down to the video shop and see if they have it. But I can reccommend Anti-Trust for a cool geek movie. It&#39;s got Tim Robins, Ryan Phillipe and Rachel Leigh Cook :wub: It&#39;s a open source vs commercial software battle.