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decryption
16th January 2004, 07:59 PM
Does anyone remember when Wired originally posted the story about the iBox?
http://www.2khappyware.com/ and http://www.2khappyware.com/ibox/

It's basically a "biege box" Mac OS X compatible system. It's in a pizza box format (think LCII and early Quadra).
This is an ideal computer for me I reckon, and many people.
I wish it would come back into proper development (and it may according to their site).
Maybe if enough people e-mail them, we'll get some action? (wishful thinking).

I wonder how hard it would be to build something like this personally.....

elvis
16th January 2004, 11:39 PM
As usual, apple jumped up and down on the heads of anyone supporting the iBox project way before it could take off. I expressed my interest in the project to the guy running it, but due to being in Australia getting the parts here would have cost me bucketloads.

Apple know too well their market is whole systems, and not parts. Just like IBM's once iron grip on PCs, Apple will lose market share big time if the "beige box" alternative is available to the public.

Every Apple fan knows how much they suffer financially to purchase what they feel is a superior computing platform. I personally make a living out of supporting many different types of computers and setups, but at the end of the day aa solid 80% or more of my clients are PC users simply because of the cost. (Although quite frankly, many of them wouldn't need me as a support person if they bought a Mac. :lol: )

The iBox had every Apple hardware geek on the planet holding their breath for a few months. I'm sad it turned out the way it did, but quite frankly I never expected anything different.

There are dozens of websites out there documenting how to go and buy Apple or Apple-compatible components from second had stores, ebay, or new from warehouses. At the end of the day if you're only going to buy parts on one-offs, you may as well head to the Apple Store or your local reseller and buy a Mac for a few bucks extra and a truckload less hassle.

decryption
18th January 2004, 11:43 AM
One thing that interests me is Mac-On-Linux (http://www.maconlinux.org/).
You probably know of it elvis, but for others, it's an "emulator" (I use that term loosley) that runs on Linux on PPC hardware (no x86) that runs Mac OS X within Linux as a program.
So you can just double click an icon on your desktop, and there's Mac OS X.
You'd think something like this would run slow as a slug. But no, it runs as fast and sometimes *faster* than a native install of OS X on equal specification hardware. The AmigaOS roadshow that went around Australia latley showed off Mac OS X 10.2 running live and from all reports it was fast and easy to do.
Hardware isn't too difficult to get, there are two companies in Australia selling PPC mainboards + CPU's.

AmigaInnovations (http://www.amigainnovations.com/) in WA sell two mainboards:
AmigaOne-XE mainboard w/ G4 @ 800MHz + heatsink - $1449
AmigaOne-XE mainboard w/ G3 @ 800MHz + heatsink - $1310

AnythingAmiga (http://anythingamiga.com) in Sydney sell 933Mhz spec parts too. They have the same CPU connectors as the PowerMacs as far as I can see (I haven't researched this much) which means you could buy a PowerLogix or Sonnet Dual G4 1.4Ghz CPU upgrade and put it on that mainboard.

These mainboards can go in $40 ATX cases with IDE drives and AGP cards and SD-RAM, so those parts can be had very cheap.

There is a G4 1.2Ghz mini-ITX board that's going to be available 14th of April according to AnythingAmiga. That should be really fun :D

But it would probably still end up costing you as much as an original Apple, but the potential is there to run AmigaOS 4, Linux PPC and Mac OS X as well as Windows either via Virtual PC or Wine. It all looks very interesting, I'll have to do more reseach :)

elvis
18th January 2004, 03:05 PM
yeah, i've been seeing this amiga gear getting cheaper and cheaper for a while now. the same thoughts have ben creeping through my head about amigaOS, Zeta Yellow Tab (http://www.yellowtab.com), linux PPC and MOL (which can be run fullscreen mode too). all very exciting stuff.

but the biggest thing that I'm looking forward to is PPC gear that can take generic branded hardware - in particular video cards. That will be a great leap forward for PPC fans.

decryption
18th January 2004, 03:08 PM
Zeta Yellow Tab runs on PPC hardware does it?!
*gasp*
I love BeOS.... and how ironic.. I'm just installing it on my P233 laptop for uni in a few weeks ;)

I think I'll lash out the $600 and buy a G3 mobo and CPU, just to see how it all runs and if it's decent. Maybe even write a review....
You said you'd like to see it take generic brand video cards, elvis. Does that mean I can't go down to MSY, buy a FX5200 for $89 and put it in a PPC ATX mainboard?

stevejay
19th January 2004, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by decryption@Jan 18 2004, 12:43 PM
One thing that interests me is Mac-On-Linux (http://www.maconlinux.org/).
You probably know of it elvis, but for others, it's an "emulator" (I use that term loosley) that runs on Linux on PPC hardware (no x86) that runs Mac OS X within Linux as a program.
So you can just double click an icon on your desktop, and there's Mac OS X.
<snip>AmigaInnovations (http://www.amigainnovations.com/) in WA sell two mainboards:
AmigaOne-XE mainboard w/ G4 @ 800MHz + heatsink - &#036;1449
AmigaOne-XE mainboard w/ G3 @ 800MHz + heatsink - &#036;1310
<snip>
&#036;1449 for a logicboard and CPU?&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Don&#39;t waste the money, get an eMac Combodrive, by the time you box-up this board, add disk drives and PCI cards and toss a monitor on top, you&#39;re likely &#036;2500 out of pocket. Yeh, it doesn&#39;t have PCI, but with 3 spare USB and 2 firewire how expandible do you want it?&#33;