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MissionMan
20th May 2008, 08:30 AM
Why do so many bag manufacturers put the headphone jack at the top of their backpacks? Are they not aware this becomes a rain vent?

I'm looking at a new light bag and the number of bag manufacturers I've seen who do this is ridiculously high, I just can't believe the manufacturers don't think of basics like this, or at least put the earphone jack under a velcro down flap to make sure it keeps the back remotely rain proof.

I'm not expecting bags to be completely waterproof but some basic logic with design would be a appreciated.

Lutze
20th May 2008, 08:45 AM
For bags with more logic than Spock, you should check out the Crumpler range. If you can do it without looking at their website you will love them. If you do look at their site then you will see where they banished their logicless to.

WonderBoy
20th May 2008, 08:48 AM
For bags with more logic than Spock, you should check out the Crumpler range. If you can do it without looking at their website you will love them. If you do look at their site then you will see where they banished their logicless to.

Agreed. I haven't looked at their site for a while now, but it would have to have been one of the worse sites I've ever seen. It took me about a minute to even work out how to get in there to begin with.

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 08:53 AM
Yes... the whole web site looks like it was designed by an 8 year old (ok a bright 8 year old but still...)

MissionMan
20th May 2008, 09:08 AM
I tend to agree. I find it lacks real information and is designed to appeal to 18 yr olds.

Also don't like the lack of rain cover or similar, i'm sorry, water resistant zips don't do it for me when riding a motorbike in the rain.

ilostmypassword
20th May 2008, 09:10 AM
Nothing will be waterproof - especially on a motorbike!- unless you spend mega bucks on high end gear (which won't come with a naff iPod pouch!)

I recommend that you invest in a waterproof cover that slips over your bag.

... and to be fair- these type of packs are not marketed as waterproof..... but i'm hearing you- a little thought such as a velcro flap would at least provide some cover.

marc
20th May 2008, 09:23 AM
Crumpler's site was designed by: Sputnik Agency | Interactive Marketing Specialist (http://www.sputnikagency.com/)

I think the site is a bit of fun, but would really annoy me if I needed to get info from it quickly.

+1 for Crumpler bags though, they're insanely good. I've only ever had one because my first bag is still in perfect condition, even after lots of travel.

Comet
20th May 2008, 09:37 AM
The STM backpack comes with a rain cover.

http://www.stmbags.com.au/img/m_evol/m_evol-2.jpg

mechcon
20th May 2008, 09:38 AM
oh for crying out loud, the site is not that bad! here, go straight to the laptop bag range: Crumpler Products Page (http://www.crumpler.com.au/Cart/index.php?catId=5)

Currawong
20th May 2008, 09:46 AM
I don't know about iPod pouches, but if you want bags that are good quality and sensibly designed, see if you can't find Eagle Creek. The only store I knew that stocked them in Sydney closed down.

melbmac
20th May 2008, 09:48 AM
Love my crumpler bag, it takes a long time to break em in though.

Goodbye
20th May 2008, 09:49 AM
+1 for Crumpler bags though, they're insanely good. I've only ever had one because my first bag is still in perfect condition, even after lots of travel.

Yeah, I love my Crumpler too, the only gripe I have with it is the two large patches of Velcro™ that hold the front flap down. Impossible to open discreetly.

sox11
20th May 2008, 09:53 AM
its all about gimmicks that make people go ....heeeeey thats a great idea...then they use it.

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 10:02 AM
I use an STM backpack on my motorbike sometimes and the rain cover isn't much good for that.

It's fine when I'm walking but the wind is a bit much for it at speed.

It would probably be ok on the pushbike though.

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 10:04 AM
oh for crying out loud, the site is not that bad!

It really is bad.

Even if the functionality isn't too bad (or not too good) the look of the site is enough to turn me off ever using their products. :thumbdn:

mechcon
20th May 2008, 10:07 AM
It really is bad.

Even if the functionality isn't too bad (or not too good) the look of the site is enough to turn me off ever using their products. :thumbdn:

I still don't see how a bad site can prove that the product isn't worth checking out.. It's just. well.. yeah.. no comment :D

Considering that I wasn't able to properly see what I can fit in the bag, I decided to go to the actual store (proper place to buy a bag in my opinion, not online, unless you definitely know it's THE ONE for you). I only owned my new Crumpler bag since Saturday (17th) and I must say, it's the most comfortable bag I've ever carrier with me. it's The Horseman (Yeah It's for a 17" macbook pro, but I got a 15" mbp with a hardcase and in a sleeve), and yeah, was able to fit all my recording equipment into it for the podcast, and was able to carry all my shit for work in it. Sure it's heavy, but it's oh so comfortable on the back and shoulders!

Walked in rain with it, and the insides are dry still. So yeah if you want a comfortable bag that is able to hold more than you think it can, then Crumpler is DEFINITELY the way to go.

Comet
20th May 2008, 10:09 AM
I bought one of these the other day. Haven't received it yet, but I'll be using it for my cycle to work. Something like this should keep the contents fairly dry.

Boblbe-e Megalopolis Electric Backpack - Blue Metallic - Rushfaster Australia (http://rushfaster.com.au/product.php?pProductID=BOB-300083)

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 10:11 AM
I still don't see how a bad site can prove that the product isn't worth checking out..

Consider it a 'bad taste website boycott' :p

MissionMan
20th May 2008, 10:18 AM
I bought one of these the other day. Haven't received it yet, but I'll be using it for my cycle to work. Something like this should keep the contents fairly dry.

Boblbe-e Megalopolis Electric Backpack - Blue Metallic - Rushfaster Australia (http://rushfaster.com.au/product.php?pProductID=BOB-300083)

Yeah, i'm think the same thing.

I have a Lowepro with a rain cover that works but I don't like taking risks with all my data and drives in a heavy downpour.

Kuma
20th May 2008, 10:21 AM
oh for crying out loud, the site is not that bad! here, go straight to the laptop bag range: Crumpler Products Page (http://www.crumpler.com.au/Cart/index.php?catId=5)

yes it is... their site is horrible

Jaali
20th May 2008, 10:21 AM
I have a number of Crumpler bags, and am happy with them all. They are fantastic quality, and have lasted ages!

I think the website is fitting to the Crumpler culture. I don't know how its not easily 'navigatable'!

Kuma
20th May 2008, 10:24 AM
its not the navigation.. it is the design

Lutze
20th May 2008, 10:36 AM
I still don't see how a bad site can prove that the product isn't worth checking out.. It's just. well.. yeah.. no comment :D

Consider this... if Apple.com was a big mess of flash and horrible music would you, as a potential customer, think to yourself "Hey, here is a company that knows how to design stuff!"??

I think not.

jerrah
20th May 2008, 10:42 AM
I've been using targus backpacks for years. I ride a motorbike every day no matter the weather and I've never had a significant amount of dampness into the bag. If it was really coming down I'd put my precious items in a plastic bag inside the backpack but I never really need to.

When you're riding a motorbike most of the rain is coming at you head on so the space behind your chest is mostly in a dry zone regardless. If you're getting a wet back you're doing it wrong. :cool:

mechcon
20th May 2008, 10:48 AM
Consider this... if Apple.com was a big mess of flash and horrible music would you, as a potential customer, think to yourself "Hey, here is a company that knows how to design stuff!"??

I think not.

No it'd make me go to a shop, you know.. outside of the house.. in the big big world.. And see the product there :)

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 10:48 AM
I think the website is fitting to the Crumpler culture.

So you are saying that crumpler culture is 'tweens with bad music and dodgy flash games' :eek:

That's just another reason not to get one!

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 10:55 AM
No it'd make me go to a shop, you know.. outside of the house.. in the big big world.. And see the product there :)

So... cycle to the station... (30 minutes).
Take the train to the CBD... (1 hour 15 mins).
Walk to the tram stop... (5 minutes).
Take the tram to the Bourke street store (10 minutes).
Pick out a bag (20 minutes?)
Return trip (2 hours).

That'd be about 4 hours and 20 minutes and a cost of about $25 (off peak) or $35 (peak)

I think I'll stick to the STM website :p

Or if I want to go to the real world STM store I can go to one 15 minutes down the road.

MissionMan
20th May 2008, 11:07 AM
I've been using targus backpacks for years. I ride a motorbike every day no matter the weather and I've never had a significant amount of dampness into the bag. If it was really coming down I'd put my precious items in a plastic bag inside the backpack but I never really need to.

When you're riding a motorbike most of the rain is coming at you head on so the space behind your chest is mostly in a dry zone regardless. If you're getting a wet back you're doing it wrong. :cool:

I haven't had an issues yet, but I have been overtaken by a truck which sent enough water onto me in a heavy downpour take make the interior of my bag damp. Riding behind any truck will provide similar problems and you can't avoid trucks all the time. Given the value of the data on my machine and externals, its not a risk I am prepared to take if there are items out there that will provide me with a better alternative.

The fact that you put your precious items inside a plastic bag, already shows that you don't have 100% confidence if something goes wrong, and if you are riding every day, then a .1% chance would mean that you are likely to have a damaged laptop every 3 years from water damage.

marc
20th May 2008, 11:10 AM
Yeah, I love my Crumpler too, the only gripe I have with it is the two large patches of Velcro™ that hold the front flap down. Impossible to open discreetly.
That's true! Probably the only negative. You have to open it really slowly when in a quiet place or on a plane at night... not good!

Still, I'd buy another crumpler in a flash. Brilliant products.

sendai
20th May 2008, 11:14 AM
Along with the rain cover, the cord hole on the STM bags faces down with a rather tight lil' flap over it. You'd need to submerge the bag to get water through it, rain should just trickle past it.

Ozi
20th May 2008, 11:26 AM
Love my crumpler bag, it takes a long time to break em in though.

Yep: very nice bags. Also, the website is coool. Any website with a button that simulates poo-splatters is excellent. Go the Nards™!

Kuma
20th May 2008, 11:28 AM
. Any website with a button that simulates poo-splatters is excellent. !


well on that point we will have to disagree.....

yinyang
20th May 2008, 11:36 AM
in response to the OP (and continuing the Crumpler theme), Crumplers are one bag company that don't ever put one of those headphone jacks into any of their bags, but I suppose that's due to their bike messenger heritage - can't imagine a bike messenger wanting to get the contents of their bag wet!!

As much as I (still) love Crumpler, i think my Chrome bag is more comfortable to wear, though it too suffers from the "can't open it quietly" syndrome :)

jerrah
20th May 2008, 12:15 PM
I haven't had an issues yet, but I have been overtaken by a truck which sent enough water onto me in a heavy downpour take make the interior of my bag damp. Riding behind any truck will provide similar problems and you can't avoid trucks all the time. Given the value of the data on my machine and externals, its not a risk I am prepared to take if there are items out there that will provide me with a better alternative.

The fact that you put your precious items inside a plastic bag, already shows that you don't have 100% confidence if something goes wrong, and if you are riding every day, then a .1% chance would mean that you are likely to have a damaged laptop every 3 years from water damage.

I'm not sure what I'm doing different but I ride up the highway daily and my bag is rarely wet. Trucks buffet around a bit but the water doesn't get into my bag. The bag is more for the items in my jacket pockets (which always get wet) but I've never had a significant problem in the backpack.

I've been riding with laptops for over 10 years and never had one wet and damaged. I've only used the plastic bag in the worst downpours and even then the bags have just been a little damp on the inside of the zip from being stuck stationary in traffic.

I've been using Targus bags for a very long time, and I've replaced them 3 times when the interior waterproofing starts wearing out. If I didn't have confidence that my laptops would survive I'd never ride with them in the bag.

SilverJ
20th May 2008, 12:17 PM
Get a Booq bag.
rushfaster.com.au

MissionMan
20th May 2008, 12:22 PM
I'm just trying to avoid having to using plastic bags inside.

tanguero
20th May 2008, 12:49 PM
Crumpler bags are the best bags on the market.
They are one of the few products left in the modern world that are built to last a lifetime.
I still have my first one that Stuart made in his little workshop in Gertrude St. (we're talking 11 years or so ago) and it has done thousands of kms by motorbike, pushie, plane, train, boat and foot and is only now starting to wear out. My school hymn is still going strong after 6 years of daily use.

As for the web site, Stuart has always been a little different and felt that owning one of his products should be an experience. The web site is about having you explore his little world a bit before you find what you are looking for, you can still easily go straight to what you want though.
Thank the flying spaghetti monster that there are sites like his out there to break up the monotony of the "I bought my site from the K Mart catalogue" web sites that seem to own the internet. The problem is not that his site is badly designed but that we have become patterned in our thinking by the repetition of sites that are the internet equivalent of the spread of Brick Veneereal Disease that has eaten our suburbs.


Rant over.

Seriously good bags though.

decryption
20th May 2008, 01:02 PM
For the record, I love the Crumper site - I wish more sites were unique like that!

jdub
20th May 2008, 02:09 PM
I own lots of crumplers and use them on a daily basis but they're not the best for all-weather use. What you need is something similar to what the bike messengers use. These bags range from splash-proof to 3 metres of submersion.

SealLine Urban Gear Protection (http://www.seallinegear.com/urban.asp?Category=Urban)

Geoff3DMN
20th May 2008, 02:52 PM
The problem is not that his site is badly designed but that we have become patterned in our thinking

You're not ever going to convince me that toilet humor is anything other than puerile.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree :)

Currawong
20th May 2008, 03:04 PM
Yeah, I love my Crumpler too, the only gripe I have with it is the two large patches of Velcro™ that hold the front flap down. Impossible to open discreetly.

The trick is to buy some sew-on velcro and put it over some of the velcro area for the front flap so there's a smaller contact patch.

MrJesseRoss
20th May 2008, 03:32 PM
I bought a Crumpler back in mid-2006. A nice big green one, with orange insides. It was awesome until I discovered that after using it for a few months, it had rubbed massive holes in the sides of my shirts (including my favourite red Rivers shirt). I went back to my trusty satchel, and haven't used the Crumpler since.

Also, people at uni glared at me whenever I opened the bag up. Goddamn Velcro.

sendai
20th May 2008, 03:41 PM
I bought a Crumpler back in mid-2006. A nice big green one, with orange insides. It was awesome until I discovered that after using it for a few months, it had rubbed massive holes in the sides of my shirts. I went back to my trusty satchel, and haven't used the Crumpler since.

Also, people at uni glared at me whenever I opened the bag up. Goddamn Velcro.I had the same problem, so I melted the protruding velcro bits off mine.

mechcon
20th May 2008, 03:55 PM
I just look back at people and go "what? you dont wax your legs? shut up!" :P

jdub
20th May 2008, 07:49 PM
As much as I (still) love Crumpler, i think my Chrome bag is more comfortable to wear, though it too suffers from the "can't open it quietly" syndrome :)

Which model do you have and did you buy it in Australia? I want to pickup one of the Ranchero's, they're very good.

ilostmypassword
20th May 2008, 08:14 PM
lol you guys keep ranting about stuff that is not targeted at you- that's the point- you are not the bloody audience. If you don't like the site- press the back button :) How many threads do we need where the same people just bag the Crumpler site? Move on.

Great bags and great site..... for its audience :)

MissionMan
20th May 2008, 08:22 PM
I went to it because people recommended it, maybe they should have warned me about the age restriction first :p

yinyang
20th May 2008, 10:12 PM
Which model do you have and did you buy it in Australia? I want to pickup one of the Ranchero's, they're very good.


I got the Citizen direct from Chrome - shipping makes it a bit more expensive, but with the strength of the Aus$ I think it's worth it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2238/2315969307_f474ee33f0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/albertyinyang/2315969307/)

Apparently Chrome bags are quite popular with bike couriers over in the San Francisco

jdub
21st May 2008, 12:05 AM
I got the Citizen direct from Chrome - shipping makes it a bit more expensive, but with the strength of the Aus$ I think it's worth it

Apparently Chrome bags are quite popular with bike couriers over in the San Francisco

Cheers. Its good to know yours got delivered. I'll put an order in I think.

aussiegunner
21st May 2008, 12:33 AM
i had a meeting with a web developer today from a company that is launching crumplers new site in the coming few weeks

MissionMan
21st May 2008, 08:03 AM
I got the Citizen direct from Chrome - shipping makes it a bit more expensive, but with the strength of the Aus$ I think it's worth it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2238/2315969307_f474ee33f0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/albertyinyang/2315969307/)

Apparently Chrome bags are quite popular with bike couriers over in the San Francisco

The only bags they have listed as notebook bags aren't really messenger bags, how do these work? No laptop area I take it so you notebook would be loose inside in a separate pouch?

yinyang
21st May 2008, 09:04 AM
The only bags they have listed as notebook bags aren't really messenger bags, how do these work? No laptop area I take it so you notebook would be loose inside in a separate pouch?

yeah I have the MBP in a Mac Case sleeve (http://www.mac-case.com/Products/MacCase%20Sleeves.html) that keeps it well protected

MissionMan
21st May 2008, 09:24 AM
Mac Case sleeve is really nice, only down side is the shipping for one to Aus is a little high. ($40)

WonderBoy
21st May 2008, 09:54 AM
As for the web site, Stuart has always been a little different and felt that owning one of his products should be an experience. The web site is about having you explore his little world a bit before you find what you are looking for, you can still easily go straight to what you want though.
Thank the flying spaghetti monster that there are sites like his out there to break up the monotony of the "I bought my site from the K Mart catalogue" web sites that seem to own the internet. The problem is not that his site is badly designed but that we have become patterned in our thinking by the repetition of sites that are the internet equivalent of the spread of Brick Veneereal Disease that has eaten our suburbs.

I think it shows that the creator of the Crumpler site and/or the guy who wanted the site to look like that does not properly understand the web medium. They have a multitude of skills that they wanted to show off with and in the process have made the site unusable and in bad taste. IMO, the theme of the site might have been better suited for a TV ad or the side of a bus... Not the web.

I can only speak for myself here, but when I went to their site to check a bag's features out, the site was the thing that made me turn the other way.

Sorry to crap on more about the site - not really the topic at hand. :)

Shi'an
29th May 2008, 04:18 PM
I have used a number of STM and Crumpler bags over the years and
have found both brands to be Brilliant. I used backpacks from STM and moved to the Crumpler when I decided to many people were looking at my backpack suspiciously at the train station.
I'm currently using the Crumpler Cashmere Blazer although I have a 15" MacBook not a 17"
and I just cannot believe how much gear I pack into this one bag!!!
While the STM's were ok in a light shower the Crumpler seems to be better at not letting the wet soak through the material. After a time the STM's would slowly let water soak through to wet the inside.
I'm not sure I'd trust either in a heavy storm but I'd be willing to run through one with the Crumpler.

Ideally it would be nice to get a custom made cover out of wetsuit material. I've never seen anything like that but if you can find a wetsuit shop often they are happy to custom make other products for you from the material. If anyone does do this I'd love to see the pics :cool:

ZacDavies
26th June 2008, 08:57 PM
It really is bad.

Even if the functionality isn't too bad (or not too good) the look of the site is enough to turn me off ever using their products. :thumbdn:

In a world of Web 2.0, were Web 1.0
Or maybe thats Web 0.3? :p

/Crumpler employee
/Mac nut

ZacDavies
2nd July 2008, 03:55 PM
bump : ironic timing, but check out our new shinier website - up now

Lutze
2nd July 2008, 04:05 PM
Oh I LOVE the "Click here to fire our web developers" bit!!

It's actually quite a nice site - though it's not exactly clear that what you see at first is not the entire range of bags.... you have to click into that section.

Other than that... and extremely slow load speed on 1.5mb it's much, MUCH better. Though I do notice that you are still using a kilted Celtic supporter to model your bags! ;)

banjo
13th July 2008, 05:01 PM
Love the new site ... just ordered a Fux Deluxe :)

I like how one of the selling points is that it can hold a carton of beer. Not that I should need to with the bottle-shop across the road, but I'm easily manipulated.

missmakeupgrrl
16th July 2008, 03:00 PM
Love the new site ... just ordered a Fux Deluxe :)

I like how one of the selling points is that it can hold a carton of beer. Not that I should need to with the bottle-shop across the road, but I'm easily manipulated.

You never know, you migth need to take your carton somewhere and not sit at home and drink it in front of your computer.


I love the Crumpler site. Im wanting to the complete seed custom designed. I know a lady bug has already been done, but I want to do a variation on it. Any suggestions? I was going to not just do the spots but the full bug.