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Disko
20th April 2004, 12:59 AM
Just interested as to who will be getting one of these machines... :)

LCGuy
20th April 2004, 07:16 AM
I wish (about the PBs, that is...the iBook is a POS)

pipsqeek
20th April 2004, 07:22 AM
I'm dirty even more about the fact of how low that price is for the 12" model.

Now mine should be worth about $1.50 and its only 7 months old.

2 weeks ago, probably could have gotten $1500 for mine. Now, with two updates already passed since the purchase of my one. (The very last of the G3's) I doubt they're worth anything anymore.

Steve

Craigglez
20th April 2004, 08:14 AM
Currently I use a 12" PowerBook 867MHz. I would upgrade, but only to the 12" as I love the size. The pricing is an absolute bargain, but the key item that is holding me back is the lack of FireWire 800. So, I will be waiting until the G5 comes along before upgrading, and when it does, I'll go for another 12" model if it is in existence :)

faction
20th April 2004, 10:31 AM
I would have bought one if I had of waited another 7 days. But the fact of the matter was I could not wait any longer. I had sold my 1ghz Ti and had nothing to work on for a while. I could not wait any longer.

I am just glad I got rid of the Ti before these updates came around.

Anyone that was considering getting a Powerbook would be hard pressed not to get one now. The prices are SO much cheaper!

LCGuy
20th April 2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Craigglez@Apr 20 2004, 08:14 AM
Currently I use a 12" PowerBook 867MHz. I would upgrade, but only to the 12" as I love the size. The pricing is an absolute bargain, but the key item that is holding me back is the lack of FireWire 800. So, I will be waiting until the G5 comes along before upgrading, and when it does, I'll go for another 12" model if it is in existence :)
I agree. The only thing holding me back from scoring myself from a nice 15" SuperDrive is a complete lack of money, otherwise i would be on the AppleStore ordering mine right this very minute! :D

Actually...maybe not. I said before that i wanted to wait till the Series II G5 PBs. :P

decryption
20th April 2004, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by LCGuy+Apr 20 2004, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LCGuy @ Apr 20 2004, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Craigglez@Apr 20 2004, 08:14 AM
Currently I use a 12" PowerBook 867MHz. I would upgrade, but only to the 12" as I love the size. The pricing is an absolute bargain, but the key item that is holding me back is the lack of FireWire 800. So, I will be waiting until the G5 comes along before upgrading, and when it does, I&#39;ll go for another 12" model if it is in existence :)
I agree. The only thing holding me back from scoring myself from a nice 15" SuperDrive is a complete lack of money, otherwise i would be on the AppleStore ordering mine right this very minute&#33; :D

Actually...maybe not. I said before that i wanted to wait till the Series II G5 PBs. :P [/b][/quote]
1.5GHz G4 CPU, Combo Drive, 80gb HDD, Airport Extreme, 15" screen, 512mb RAM, Radeon 9700 Mobilty... Just &#036;3,325.30 with the educational discount.

*sells everything he owns again*

No wonder G5 and iMac sales have been slow, at those prices everyone should be buying laptops&#33; :P

varsis
20th April 2004, 01:47 PM
I just recently bought an ibook 800, april 28, im hoping to get apple to give me a full refund and buy the new one I am mad becuase they lowered the price and made it better, i think i deserve a refund and if i have to i am going to the media press and everything till i get the new ibook as that is not fair, and i should be able to atleast return it for a full refund, like walmart they have great return service apple seems to have pretty poor as i should say...

-newton

faction
20th April 2004, 01:56 PM
You can understand why iMacs have been slow. There is no reason to spend the extra to get one.

I dont doubt that we will see G5 imacs soon, obviously single proccesors, when they release the new G5 towers.

I think the reason people are holding off on G5s has more to do with the fact that everyone knows that, and are waiting for, the 3Ghz ones to be released.

iMacs = slow becasue as mentioned above, you are better off getting a PB or iBook.
G5s = Slow becasue people are waitng for faster + Rev B ones with AL screens.

Overall though, they are not overly slow in the last quarter.

Craigglez
20th April 2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by decryption@Apr 20 2004, 01:42 PM
1.5GHz G4 CPU, Combo Drive, 80gb HDD, Airport Extreme, 15" screen, 512mb RAM, Radeon 9700 Mobilty... Just &#036;3,325.30 with the educational discount.

*sells everything he owns again*

No wonder G5 and iMac sales have been slow, at those prices everyone should be buying laptops&#33; :P
Yes it truly is an amazing price for what you are getting, but I&#39;m afraid I don&#39;t think I could handle getting a bigger laptop. For me, portability is the key, and the 12" is the only option. I just wish there were a few more features, so I will be patiently waiting till the G5s come out, and then I can be the Apple-Talk guinea-pig for the new technology :P

I agree that people should be buying laptops at these prices, it would certainly make you think twice about getting an iMac or possibly even a PowerMac :)

Radar
20th April 2004, 03:45 PM
I&#39;ll get an iBook if I can sell my iMac. Look at the link in my sig, you know you want it&#33;

pipsqeek
20th April 2004, 04:04 PM
the only bad thing I find with the 12" models is that they use crappy screens.

The quality of the image it nothing compared to the PB15".

Portable (smaller) should not mean elcheapo

Steve

sillydog701
20th April 2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by pipsqeek@Apr 20 2004, 04:04 PM
the only bad thing I find with the 12" models is that they use crappy screens.

The quality of the image it nothing compared to the PB15".

Portable (smaller) should not mean elcheapo

Steve
Agree, but it&#39;s more important to carry a very compact computer and all the power you need. Was thinking about getting an iBook 12" few months ago, but found the quality of display was too poor. Lucky I did not buy it.

cmetom
20th April 2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by pipsqeek@Apr 20 2004, 08:22 AM
I&#39;m dirty even more about the fact of how low that price is for the 12" model.

Now mine should be worth about &#036;1.50 and its only 7 months old.

2 weeks ago, probably could have gotten &#036;1500 for mine. Now, with two updates already passed since the purchase of my one. (The very last of the G3&#39;s) I doubt they&#39;re worth anything anymore.

Steve
i&#39;ll give you &#036;2.50.. plus post&#33;&#33; :D :P

Gothikon
20th April 2004, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by varsis@Apr 20 2004, 01:47 PM
I just recently bought an ibook 800, april 28, im hoping to get apple to give me a full refund and buy the new one I am mad becuase they lowered the price and made it better, i think i deserve a refund and if i have to i am going to the media press and everything till i get the new ibook as that is not fair, and i should be able to atleast return it for a full refund, like walmart they have great return service apple seems to have pretty poor as i should say...

-newton
In the same way that Intel will give you an update if you buy a 3GHz chip the day before they release a 3.2 GHz part? In the same way that Dell will give you a new model if you buy an old one the day before they are released :unsure:

Anyway I&#39;m swithering between an iBook 12" with 512MB / 60 Gig / AE / BT for 2200 or a stock 12" PBook for 2600. for 400 AUD more I get a faster FSB, 1.33 GHz .vs 1 64 vs 32 on an FX5200

It&#39;s a tough choice but the more I think about it I will go with the upgraded iBook, of course I might consider a refurbished 15" PB

However even though the 12" PB is faster it&#39;s probably still not enough to run recent games like UT2K4 at decent settings and most of my work I manage quite happily on my 450MHz G4 Cube. I just wish the 12" PB had the 9700, that would really swing it for me.

faction
20th April 2004, 09:50 PM
UT2K4 will run ok, but dont expect really fast frame rates.

Runs ok on mine with all high details other than world which is set to medium.

Rez has to be at about 1024x ?? though :(

thats on a PB with a 9600 with shit all ram. so the 9700 should be even better&#33;

mbd
21st April 2004, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by faction@Apr 20 2004, 09:50 PM
UT2K4 will run ok, but dont expect really fast frame rates.

I tried UT2k4 demo on my pb12-1ghz and it wasn&#39;t playable (unless I turned off sound). Halo plays okay though. And just about everything else plays great.

faction
21st April 2004, 01:01 AM
I am using a 17 inch 1.33 which has specs quite similar to the 12 now, so thats what I was basing my comments on. I am not sure how the NVIDIA card will compare to the 9600 but it should stack up ok?

Its not as nice as playing it on the Dual G5 with the 9800, but it works for me.

Gothikon
21st April 2004, 07:36 AM
The GeForce FX5200 to go is a pretty crappy card so if you guys are only just finding it playable on a 1.2 GHz machine with a 9600 I can&#39;t really expect the 12" PB to be great at newer games in which case I am as well going with the 12" iBook as it&#39;s cheapera, more than adequate for 80% of my work and of course I can still play old faithfuls like WC3 &#33;

Byrd
22nd April 2004, 05:56 PM
After these new releases from Apple, it&#39;d be interesting to see how much iBook 500s are fetching - with a bit of RAM they&#39;d be quite capable OS X machines.

&#036;450 - 600 perhaps? ;)

JB

sillydog701
22nd April 2004, 06:16 PM
The new low price is very attractive.
I don&#39;t need to burn DVDs on the go, and I don&#39;t play games, so the 12" ones (both iBook and PowerBook) are very attractive to me. Need to be careful with my credit card balance.

decryption
22nd April 2004, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by bYrd@Apr 22 2004, 06:56 PM
After these new releases from Apple, it&#39;d be interesting to see how much iBook 500s are fetching - with a bit of RAM they&#39;d be quite capable OS X machines.

&#036;450 - 600 perhaps? ;)

JB
I hope so, because I can afford that and want one :)

Gothikon
22nd April 2004, 08:56 PM
Toilet seat iBooks are going for less than that and I have seen 500&#39;s for about 700 AUD. I think next byte have been selling 700&#39;s for about 1000 in their fire sale. I&#39;ve pretty much settled on the bottom end iBook with AE, BT, 768Mb of RAM and the 60 gig disk. I&#39;ll be doing some extra work over the next few weeks so I should be picking one up late May or June, can&#39;t wait, finally I&#39;ll be free of my awful linux desktop at work&#33;&#33;&#33;

sillydog701
22nd April 2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Gothikon@Apr 22 2004, 08:56 PM
Toilet seat iBooks are going for less than ...
"Toilet seat" iBooks, what a beautiful toilet seat :lol:

pipsqeek
23rd April 2004, 09:53 AM
Postage = &#036;1980.13

yinyang
23rd April 2004, 11:31 AM
just found out that i may be able to salary sacrifice at work, so if i can sell my lcd imac i MAY be able to justify getting the 15PB 1.5Gb, but with some extra bits (ram, 5200 HD).

but still much umming and ahhing, and i&#39;ll have to wait until july anyway...&#33; but the prospect of a new PB, and my first laptop...&#33; :D

Ignoramus
23rd April 2004, 09:56 PM
I&#39;m considering getting the 12" ibook however as I&#39;m relatively new to macs, what would be the main limitations of the system. In other words, what applications do not perform that well on them (apart from games).

Cheers

yinyang
23rd April 2004, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Ignoramus@Apr 23 2004, 09:56 PM
In other words, what applications do not perform that well on them (apart from games).

Cheers
NONE :D

okay tell a lie - there&#39;s no Microsoft project for mac (don&#39;t know why not...&#33;?).

i use windows at work and mac at home, and the mac does almost anything a win xp, or win2000 box does, and usually much more easily and with more satisfaction. word, excel, ppt, adobe, some games, etc.

os x panther just blows away xp - expose is a joy to use; iCal another gem; iChat AV looks awesome (not yet tried), safari, ....&#33;

Ignoramus
24th April 2004, 03:15 AM
I guess what I&#39;m really want to know is that considering the 12" ibook is the base model, how does it perform? Considering that they&#39;re are similar size, what type of applications would justify someone to purchase the 12" powerbook instead

LCGuy
24th April 2004, 06:22 AM
Mainly portability and lower cost.

Gothikon
25th April 2004, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by LCGuy@Apr 24 2004, 06:22 AM
Mainly portability and lower cost.
Huh? The iBook is cheaper than than the 12" PB....

Anyway if you do a lot of number crunching/3D/Video work the 12" PB will be quite a bit faster with a higher FSB and a 1.3 GHz chip. If you don&#39;t, and aren&#39;t too fussed about games any current Mac should be more than fast enough.

I mainly do web/programming/photoshop and some office type stuff on my machine, currently a G4 CUBE @ 450 and although it could be faster it does everything quite happily, so if you aren&#39;t doing any of the things I mentioned above and are still new to Macs I&#39;d stick with the 12" iBook, upgrade the RAM and the HD though, you may also want to consider the internal bluetooth adaptor as you can&#39;t retrofit it down the road (unless you somehow manage to get the part from Apple), an external one would work just as well but be a pain no a laptop, you can buy/fit an AE card later though. Should come in at around 2000 AUD which is a steal. If you&#39;re looking at the top end iBook I&#39;d pass it over and go straight to the lowend PB&#39;s the 14" iBook with superdrive just doesn&#39;t seem like a good deal.

LCGuy
25th April 2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Gothikon@Apr 25 2004, 10:21 AM
Huh? The iBook is cheaper than than the 12" PB....
Blah&#33; For some reason i thought you were comparing the 12" PowerBook against the 15 incher. I must&#39;ve posted that when i was drunk. :P

Either way, i&#39;d still prefer a 12" PB over an iBook due to the amount of issues i&#39;ve heard about witih iBooks.

Phillip
29th April 2004, 06:06 PM
waiting for a g5 powerbook...

y does apple cripple its smaller notebooks? i mean, no fw800? no gigabit ethernet? still the 12" is in a much better position than what it was before.

i hope apple makes the 12" the 13" windscreen with the g5 powerbook. i would differently buy that.

LCGuy
29th April 2004, 06:33 PM
They cripple the cheaper ones because if the iBook 12" was the same as the 12" AlBook, nobody would buy the AlBook...why would they when they can get the AlBook&#39;s features for a lower cost?

elvis
29th April 2004, 08:10 PM
I&#39;m currently working on a big client down in Sydney which should hopefully make my company some big biccies. If all goes well, I&#39;ll ask for a 12" iBook as my reward.

Hey, I&#39;m not greedy. Even the lowest-end iBook is enough to make me drool. :)

Ignoramus
30th April 2004, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by LCGuy@Apr 29 2004, 06:33 PM
They cripple the cheaper ones because if the iBook 12" was the same as the 12" AlBook, nobody would buy the AlBook...why would they when they can get the AlBook&#39;s features for a lower cost?
I believe he is refering to the 12" PB compared to the 15" and 17"

So has anyone got one yet?

TJOsX
30th April 2004, 10:32 PM
I ordered a 12" Powerbook with Superdrive yesterday (Rev. C, standard issue, not BTO). It should arrive in less than 7 days. Looking forward to it&#33;

TJOsX
2nd May 2004, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Phillip+Apr 30 2004, 11:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phillip &#064; Apr 30 2004, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-TJOsX@Apr 30 2004, 10:32 PM
I ordered a 12" Powerbook with Superdrive yesterday (Rev. C, standard issue, not BTO). It should arrive in less than 7 days. Looking forward to it&#33;
congrats :D[/b][/quote]
Thanks, Phillip. I currently have an iBook (700mhz) which this will replace. I had been waiting to replace it with the next iteration of G5 PowerMacs. But this machine seemed so sweet for the money I couldn&#39;t resist. The education price for the machine with Superdrive is &#036;2050 CAN&#036; (or only about &#036;30 more in AUS&#036;). Going on a trip to Hawaii for a couple of months this summer and this seemed like the perfect machine to take along (for work and general use).

Rockyroad
3rd May 2004, 05:33 PM
Just found a buyer for my TiBook for a fair enough price so I&#39;m getting a 15" 1.5Ghz powerbook with all the bells and whistles.

Should be Ok, though the 1Ghz Tibook was very nice too.

sillydog701
4th May 2004, 07:38 AM
Just to add a report for those who are interested - I got my 12" Combo (BTO) yesterday.
Upgraded HDD to 80GB, and 768MB RAM.
Ordered on 21st April, and received 3rd May -> That&#39;s 7 working days for the BTO build. (did not count 26th - Anzac Day holiday)

With my quick test of the LCD with PiXel Check (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10793), there&#39;s no dead pixels (yet).

Battery lasted nearly 4 hours (instead of claimed 5hr), with brightness set high and quite a number of CD reading during installation of software.

Oh, the only complaint I have so far with 12" PowerBook is it&#39;s not so lightweight, comparing it to Sony&#39;s laptops.
It is a lot lighter than my Dell 14" laptop, and runs Virtual PC at reasonable speed. (Yes, I bought a Mac to run Win apps.) Time to replace the slow and heavy Dell :-P

edit, fix spellings

Rockyroad
4th May 2004, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by sillydog701@May 4 2004, 07:38 AM
With my quick test of the LCD with PiXel Check (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10793), there&#39;s no dead pixels (yet).
Out of my four Mac laptops, I&#39;ve only had one without at least one dead pixel (G3 Pismo), so I&#39;ll be way pleased if my new one comes up 100%.

It generally doesn&#39;t bother me, but is annoying when watching DVD&#39;s with dark backgrounds. That&#39;s about it.

Ignoramus
6th May 2004, 10:15 PM
I just recieved my 12" iBook. First mac so very happy with it. No dead pixels so :D
Just need some tips using it but guess i&#39;ll figure it out along the way. Just one thing, is it possible to scroll down webpages without clicking on the scrollbar?

Rockyroad
6th May 2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Ignoramus@May 6 2004, 10:15 PM
Just one thing, is it possible to scroll down webpages without clicking on the scrollbar?
press the "fn" key and the down arrow.

sillydog701
6th May 2004, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Ignoramus@May 6 2004, 10:15 PM
Just one thing, is it possible to scroll down webpages without clicking on the scrollbar?
Or hit the “spacebar” when browser window is active and the cursor is not in any input field (e.g. forms).