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mab
18th March 2008, 10:49 PM
Just did a software update and Safari 3.1 is now downloading. :thumbup:

NOTE: Restart required

mechcon
18th March 2008, 10:52 PM
awesome! I've heard a few good things about this version in particular *fumbles for laptop* where is it...

lurka
18th March 2008, 10:52 PM
I really hope that's not ALL for terrific Tuesdays

GO to BED DAVE!!!

Damn restarting to install is an inconvenience these days.........

waynie
18th March 2008, 10:53 PM
This update is recommended for all Safari users and features improvements to stability, compatibility, JavaScript performance and security.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website: About the Safari 3.1 Update (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307467)

For information on the security content of this update, please visit this website: Apple security updates (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61798)

Downloading too =)

mechcon
18th March 2008, 10:57 PM
Sweet, feels much zippier! and no Damo!

Also it's good to see that it's finally come out of beta for Windows as well.

W9cae
18th March 2008, 10:59 PM
Ya does seem zippier cant see any other diff maybe the windowz version isnt beta ?


Yep windowz version is not beta :)

mechcon
18th March 2008, 11:00 PM
got 74/100 in the acid3 test :P

MrJesseRoss
18th March 2008, 11:00 PM
Sweet, feels much zippier! and no Damo!

Also it's good to see that it's finally come out of beta for Windows as well.

no Damo?:confused:

mechcon
18th March 2008, 11:01 PM
He told me to go to sleep, im a Dave too. oh and (taken from the features page);


Improvements
Performance

Improves JavaScript performance
Standards

Adds support for CSS 3 web fonts
Adds support for CSS transforms and transitions
Adds support for HTML 5 <video> and <audio> elements
Adds support for offline storage for Web applications in SQL databases
Adds support for SVG images in <img> elements and CSS images
Adds support for SVG advanced text
Microsoft Windows

Improves Back/Forward performance
Supports signed Java applets
Shows Caps Lock icon in password fields
Adds support for showModalDialog
Localized in 16 languages
Adds support for International Domain Names
Improves handling of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean text
Contextual menu now allows opening a link in a window or tab
Improves pop-up blocking to work with plug-ins
Compatibility

Increases site compatibility
Stability

Improves application stability
Developer

Adds option in Safari preferences to turn on the new Develop menu which contains various web development features
Allows access to Web Inspector
Allows access to Network Timeline
Allows editing CSS in the Web Inspector
Allows custom user agent string
Improves snippet editor
Other

Double clicking on the Tab Bar opens new tab
Includes URL metadata when images are dragged or saved from browser
Opens Download and Activity window in current Space
Supports trackpad gestures for back, forward, and magnify on MacBook Air and compatible MacBook Pro computers
Shows Caps Lock icon in password fields

MrJesseRoss
18th March 2008, 11:03 PM
It probably is a good idea to get to bed, actually. it's 11.30!

How big is the download?

lurka
18th March 2008, 11:06 PM
30 odd MB and that Acid3 test crash's my safari.....

mechcon
18th March 2008, 11:08 PM
39mb for Leopard, 48mb for Tiger.

And god damnit Apple, the pop up blocking is still either ON or OFF.. :( Why not make it like the Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch? a prompt to allow/deny an incoming pop up would be fantastic!

dev_enter
18th March 2008, 11:12 PM
got 74/100 in the acid3 test :P
When I hit refresh, I get 75, if I hit refresh again, it's back to 74. :p

GraphicDZNR
18th March 2008, 11:13 PM
hmmm... seems they've killed the preference to turn on pie status bar indicator for page loading...

Huy
18th March 2008, 11:14 PM
Sweet!

Unexpected. :)

lurka
18th March 2008, 11:14 PM
When I hit refresh, I get 75, if I hit refresh again, it's back to 74. :p

mine wont even do the test... I get crash at around 54

dev_enter
18th March 2008, 11:16 PM
It's also available here: Apple - Safari - Download (http://www.apple.com/safari/download/) for those who don't want to use Software Update.

jeremy_warnock
18th March 2008, 11:50 PM
I hope the windows version finally works. Id love to use it at work but every-time you put in your proxy credentials the thing crashes - every-time, its just a bucket of shit on windows.

tintinaujapon
19th March 2008, 12:22 AM
Can we customise the default search engine to Google.com.au yet?

Edit: No, we can't.

Pink
19th March 2008, 01:27 AM
awesome! I've heard a few good things about this version in particular *fumbles for laptop* where is it...

What's the major difference? Just downloaded the update and can't see what's so updated???

shiny
19th March 2008, 04:55 AM
27.5MB on a Tiger machine, broke Saft as I expected, Inquisitor still works.

Still a few sites that will not work in Safari, EDIT - I was wrong block pop ups is still in the Safari menu, but there is something missing, there were more options before.

ilostmypassword
19th March 2008, 05:45 AM
i wonder if it no works in ebay. What the hell is that all about btw?

On a side note- i'm finding it slower connecting to most US based websites.... will Apple EVER get Safari right? :p

Arkhum_Eramak
19th March 2008, 06:32 AM
Downloading it now....hopefully sites like eBay will stop using gargantuan amounts of CPU just to be open. Then again, maybe I should just stop leaving eBay windows open maybe...

Why hasn't the new Airport Express with 802.11n been mentioned (well, confirmed)? I'd say that counts as a Tuesday update (in the US at least). The RSS reader in Mail got the message about it last night.

mechcon
19th March 2008, 06:59 AM
Perhaps the topic there should be changed from Tuesdays in Cupertino, to This Week in Cupertino?

As for you Apple, for the next version of Safari that you folks release, fix the pop up block function, give us the control to allow/deny incoming pop ups just like on the iPhone/iTouch please!

Aaron
19th March 2008, 07:27 AM
I was wrong about this tuesday... again :D - Can't complain about Safari 3.1 though.

Wally
19th March 2008, 07:37 AM
Perhaps the topic there should be changed from Tuesdays in Cupertino, to This Week in Cupertino?

As for you Apple, for the next version of Safari that you folks release, fix the pop up block function, give us the control to allow/deny incoming pop ups just like on the iPhone/iTouch please!

WAKE UP DAVE!!!

Downloading now, it should be great!

AnthoMac
19th March 2008, 07:54 AM
An update safari would be of beneficial help to my java problems with internet access at uni. hopefully.

The constant flow of updates whether being mediocre or significant from Apple is highly welcomed from the past of random unannounced schedules.

ilostmypassword
19th March 2008, 07:58 AM
Downloading it now....hopefully sites like eBay will stop using gargantuan amounts of CPU just to be open..

Funny though as every other browser handles it just fine :p

But as you say AnthoMac- any update is appreciated :thumbup:

lazydesi
19th March 2008, 08:23 AM
one more on tuesday

stevejay
19th March 2008, 08:32 AM
Bloody work desktop lockdown :( Can't nstall the Doze version. Oh well, Firefox mobile edition is still better that Idiot Exploiter. Alas, I'll never know if Safari for Doze is.

marc
19th March 2008, 08:36 AM
Brilliant!! I'll be trying out some CSS Animation very soon. This updates Dashboard too, so if you want to use some funky animating widgets in the future you should install it ;)

jeremy_warnock
19th March 2008, 09:29 AM
It killed 1password damn it

yinyang
19th March 2008, 09:36 AM
windows version is pretty good - fast....!

have to wait until thursday to sample the real flavour :)

Ginamos
19th March 2008, 10:03 AM
It killed 1password damn it

Same here.

The fix from the developers is "Just update to the latest beta of 1Password which support it. Enable betas on the Updates tab of the 1Password preferences and click the Check Now button to get it."

MrJesseRoss
19th March 2008, 10:10 AM
Damn. It killed KeyWurl.

dt
19th March 2008, 10:10 AM
Breaks Keywurl (http://purefiction.net/keywurl/).

markh
19th March 2008, 10:12 AM
windows version is pretty good - fast....!)


Agreed.. The new windows version is lightning fast. Makes Firefox look like its standing still

decryption
19th March 2008, 10:25 AM
Has this fixed the stupid bug where it would crash when accessing SSL sites?

Bart Smastard
19th March 2008, 10:25 AM
i wonder if it no works in ebay. What the hell is that all about btw?

On a side note- i'm finding it slower connecting to most US based websites.... will Apple EVER get Safari right? :p


How does Safari work not with ebay? My wife is on there all the bloody time and never complains about it not working... I wish it really didn't work :(

mechcon
19th March 2008, 10:26 AM
Hey where can I get the windows version of Safari from? apple.com/safari aint gots it.

bennettnz
19th March 2008, 11:00 AM
Really pleased with this update as my Safari was getting slower and I'd gone back to firefox for a few days - but this update is much much quicker! Good work Apple. These are the kind of surprise updates I really like.

dev_enter
19th March 2008, 11:06 AM
Hey where can I get the windows version of Safari from? apple.com/safari aint gots it.
When you browse there using a browser within Windows, you'll see it.

leon
19th March 2008, 11:26 AM
Still crashes when I try to enter a secure site such as internet banking or even apples own log into your Apple ID page.
Speed seems the same to me.

dev_enter
19th March 2008, 11:28 AM
I can get into my online banking and an apple secure site (connect.apple.com) fine.

shiny
19th March 2008, 11:57 AM
eBay mostly works for me, it is when it re-directs me to make a payment with PayPal it times out and refuses to work, yet when I log into PayPal and make a payment it works fine.

My online banking works except for the BPay, the old BPay system worked, just not the new graphical flashy one.

morpheme2004
19th March 2008, 12:31 PM
Hi all

For some reason Safari 3.1 is working of a two-months old version of WebKit.

The WebKit nightlies are scoring 93/100 on the Acid3 tests right now: Surfin’ Safari - Blog Archive WebKit Hits 93/100 in Acid3 (http://webkit.org/blog/161/webkit-hits-93100-in-acid3/) (Firefox nightlies are at 71/100 just fyi).

Regarding javascript performance (the main benchmark used), Firefox 3 nightlies are significantly faster than Safari 3.1: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=630259&start=195&sid=008ab0f00c396046269b65000ad70c9a

...and a bit slower than the most recent WebKit nightlies: Updated web browsers JavaScript benchmarks : Mozilla Links (http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/03/updated-web-browsers-javascript-benchmarks/)

Long story short: Safari 3.1 could've been a lot better, and it's definitely not the fastest thing out there.

Just thought you'd appreciate the update.

Optogamut
19th March 2008, 12:50 PM
I had to put my icon back in the Dock!? Weird.

Clarkey87
19th March 2008, 12:56 PM
I had to put my icon back in the Dock!? Weird.

No such issue here.

Haven't noticed any difference so far really. Still trying to decide whether I prefer Firefox 3 beta 4 or Safari 3.1... both seem to have their advantages and disadvantages.

mechcon
19th March 2008, 01:01 PM
If Firefox had the ability to drag/resize text boxes, I'd ditch Safari immediately.. 3.0 of Firefox has won my heart otherwise :P

insular
19th March 2008, 01:29 PM
Killed Saft for what I was using for similar functionality to Keywurl and Opera's aliasing system.

Hmmm tempted to go back to Opera now but inquisitor is always tugging my shirt.

Domenic
19th March 2008, 03:58 PM
Hmm, I downloaded and installed, but when I restarted, my computer just hung- it was stuck on the blue/grey screen for about ten minutes. finally, I gave up and just restarted the computer (held down the ON/OFF button for 5 secs).

It then worked.

I can't really notice any difference in speed.

jacobus
19th March 2008, 03:59 PM
Haven't noticed any difference so far really.

Same, no difference here. I wish they'd fix the multiple password problem.

morpheme2004
19th March 2008, 04:01 PM
If Firefox had the ability to drag/resize text boxes, I'd ditch Safari immediately.. 3.0 of Firefox has won my heart otherwise :P

Really?
Bookmarklet: The Man in Blue > FormTextResizer: Bookmarklet for resizing textareas and text fields (http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2006/08/25/)
Greasemonkey script (I'm sure there are others): Textarea Resize &ndash; Userscripts.org (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24007)
Add-on (got it working now): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3818

jeremy_warnock
19th March 2008, 04:09 PM
Same here.

The fix from the developers is "Just update to the latest beta of 1Password which support it. Enable betas on the Updates tab of the 1Password preferences and click the Check Now button to get it."


Thanks for the tip 1password up and running again

jeremy_warnock
20th March 2008, 12:48 PM
They fixed safari on windows it nows uses the proxy without crashing

listohan
22nd March 2008, 11:32 AM
I don't think all is well with the new Safari and gMail. You can have the cursor in the body of a message but the typing will happen in the subject. In fact I have found it can be impossible to use gMail and I am having to use Firefox to send mail. This problem was not apparent before. I suspect a new version will have to ship soon.

dev_enter
22nd March 2008, 11:38 AM
listohan: I'm not having these problems with Safari 3.1 on Mac OS X 10.5.2.

listohan
22nd March 2008, 03:33 PM
listohan: I'm not having these problems with Safari 3.1 on Mac OS X 10.5.2.Bahamut, Can you try this?

Compose the body of your message in Text Edit then address an email, add a subject and try pasting the contents of TextEdit into the body of the message. Composing the whole message in Safari is OK but once I try to paste material from elsewhere, it misbehaves. Im on 10.5.2 and currently on a MacBook but I think the problem is the same on my iMac.

Huy
22nd March 2008, 03:49 PM
^ I just did that and it works fine.

Gmail, Safari 3.1, Leopard 10.5.2.
iMac 24" C2D.

listohan
22nd March 2008, 03:50 PM
Bahamut, Can you try this?

Compose the body of your message in Text Edit then address an email, add a subject and try pasting the contents of TextEdit into the body of the message. Composing the whole message in Safari is OK but once I try to paste material from elsewhere, it misbehaves. I'm on 10.5.2 and currently on a MacBook but I think the problem is the same on my iMac.What I am finding now in gMail is that if I hold down the (right) shift key to start a word with a capital letter (a reasonable requirement), the focus moves to the Send button

MrJesseRoss
22nd March 2008, 04:01 PM
I'm not getting any of those errors either, listohan. Gmail's working perfectly fine for me.

dev_enter
22nd March 2008, 04:27 PM
All working fine for me.

Edit: Reproduced by clicking "Older Version" in Gmail.

listohan: Is there a link at the top of your Gmail that says "Newer Version"? If so, try clicking that and see if that fixes it for you.

listohan
22nd March 2008, 05:24 PM
All working fine for me.

Edit: Reproduced by clicking "Older Version" in Gmail.

listohan: Is there a link at the top of your Gmail that says "Newer Version"? If so, try clicking that and see if that fixes it for you.Bahamut, Should that be on the line that says: "Gmail Calendar Documents Photos Reader Web more ▼ me@gmail.com | Settings | Help | Sign out"? There is nothing else there. No old or new gMail. I have tried turning off keyboard short cuts in Settings, but it makes no difference and there does not seem to be any other possibly relevant setting. The focus problem occurs with both Shift keys.

Thanks for your suggestions.

dev_enter
22nd March 2008, 05:26 PM
listohan: Yeah, it should be there...

Try going into settings, changing the language to English (US), save the settings and go back to your inbox. See if the option comes up then, if it doesn't, try signing out and signing back in, check if it's there then.

I also get the problem with the shift key with the "Older Version".

listohan
23rd March 2008, 08:44 AM
listohan: Yeah, it should be there...

Try going into settings, changing the language to English (US), save the settings and go back to your inbox. See if the option comes up then, if it doesn't, try signing out and signing back in, check if it's there then.

I also get the problem with the shift key with the "Older Version".Thanks, Bahamut. That did the trick.

LarryH
23rd March 2008, 09:19 AM
Bahamut, Should that be on the line that says: "Gmail Calendar Documents Photos Reader Web more ▼ me@gmail.com | Settings | Help | Sign out"? There is nothing else there. No old or new gMail. I have tried turning off keyboard short cuts in Settings, but it makes no difference and there does not seem to be any other possibly relevant setting. The focus problem occurs with both Shift keys.

Thanks for your suggestions.

What you have to do is go to Settings and then set the Language to English (US)

Then there are the new options.

EDIT: Damn it!

listohan
23rd March 2008, 09:19 AM
Thanks, Bahamut. That did the trick.Iv'e now got the newer version of gMail on Safari but the predictive text when addressing a message does not seem to work when you select an address from the pop-up list of possible addressees.

Contacts now supports more of the advanced features previously confined to Firefox but finding a contact and then trying to compose a message from the pop-up does not seem to work either.

dev_enter
23rd March 2008, 11:26 AM
I find the popup list doesn't work if I use the mouse to select an address, but it works fine if I use the arrow keys + enter.

Captain Stathi
23rd March 2008, 03:03 PM
Hmmm... I found rendering on just about every site tideous, but once I deleted the plist file and restarted it rendering is on par with Firefox.