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entropy
30th June 2007, 05:00 PM
So, which carrier is the preferred provider for the iphone in Oz? This may help Apple with negotiations:


telstra
optus
vodophone
three
virgin

mac_man_luke
30th June 2007, 05:04 PM
I vote three, cheap data and decent service

marc
30th June 2007, 05:06 PM
I'd prefer Vodafone, Virgin or 3.

If it's Telstra then I won't get one.

bawpcwpn
30th June 2007, 05:15 PM
i'll be seriously cut if telstra gets the deal. They are awful, and don't support macs very well. Neither does Optus for that fact. I had to set up my ADSL on my pc, and not my mac which sucked.

Shere Khaan
30th June 2007, 05:17 PM
Telstra, just to annoy the Telstra haters!

Well, maybe not. Telstra for the coverage.

mac_man_luke
30th June 2007, 05:18 PM
Telstra already bad mouthed it - apple would be stupid to go with them

Al Aero
30th June 2007, 05:20 PM
Telstra, they have the infrastructure to support it IMHO

bel.plews
30th June 2007, 05:23 PM
Telstra, they have the infrastructure to support it IMHO

infrastructure ... munfrostructure!
who cares as along as I get one on a staff plan - CHA-CHING!

Razer
30th June 2007, 05:24 PM
Apple will go with Telstra, biggest company, biggest marketing dollars, biggest network. It's true Telstra bad mouthed the Iphone originally but have since retracted that. It's also true that Telstra don't support macs but they don't have to in order to sell the iphone. It is a totally seperate market. The hypocracy of supporting the IPhone but not the mac will only matter to people like us :)

lansd2000
30th June 2007, 05:30 PM
while telstra has the coverage, if apple made a 3G phone by sometime nxt yr, I think 3 or maybe vodafone would be a good choice... most likely because they got the vibe that teens and young adults like, as well as good caps & prepay, keep in mind that the teenage and young adult markets are the biggest sellers for iPods. (:

Rasta
30th June 2007, 05:35 PM
Telstra already bad mouthed it - apple would be stupid to go with them

Exactly... Telstra can stick it up their arse...

I'd say they've bad-mouthed because they know they're out of the running...

Gerbils
30th June 2007, 05:35 PM
I vote three, cheap data and decent service

Decent service on Three? BAHAHAHAHAHA!

I've had nothing but trouble from Three tech support.

Goodbye
30th June 2007, 05:52 PM
Probably Telstra- coverage and the services Apple needs.

mac_man_luke
30th June 2007, 05:54 PM
if telstra get it, data will be too expensive to use any of the features

FreestylerNZ
30th June 2007, 05:58 PM
It'll definitely be Vodafone. Apple is already in late-stage talks with Vodafone UK regarding the iPhone, so it'd only make sense for that relationship to filter down to Aus and NZ.

msilsby
30th June 2007, 06:09 PM
It will be Vodafone, based on the fact that Vodafone has secured the rights for the EU. Part of the reason that Vodafone would have gotten it is due to its global reach, and the fact that it operates in about 20+ countries. I would imagine that their deal will cover all countries in which they operate.

And it will be a 3g HSDPA phone too. Americans are used to crap phone networks, but the europeans and here in Australia/New Zealand, we are used to a bit more in the way of quality. Expect Europe by early next year (possibly this year, but doubt it), and rest of the world mid 2008.

3 would be ther only other carrier that could pull off the whole 'iphone' thing with a straight face. Optus would try and get it wimax as opposed to wifi, but wouldn't be able to maintain a straight face.

vanderlay
30th June 2007, 06:18 PM
Telstra, but only for coverage.
Even though I live in the middle of Ballarat, the signal strength for optus etc is so crappy, I have to go outside to use other carriers.
I'd rather make a phone call from the couch than beside the mailbox.

iSlayer
30th June 2007, 06:39 PM
Vodafone i hope

Hamsmyth
30th June 2007, 06:50 PM
None. I'd rather just pop in the sim I already have like every other phone on the market.

decryption
30th June 2007, 06:53 PM
I don't really care - I'll go where the iPhone goes :D

grfxninja
30th June 2007, 06:54 PM
None. I'd rather just pop in the sim I already have like every other phone on the market.

:thumbup:

But since thats not likely, I want it with Optus so I can get it on our corporate contract :D

mechcon
30th June 2007, 06:55 PM
I'm still putting my money down on either Vodafone or Three. but chances are all the carriers will (hopefully) have it.

Peter Wells
30th June 2007, 06:55 PM
vodafone!

Hamsmyth
30th June 2007, 06:56 PM
True it's not going to happen.

If I had to choose it would be Telstra. I've been with them for years without a single problem.

nicwithsticks
30th June 2007, 06:56 PM
I don't really care - I'll go where the iPhone goes :D

Ditto!

silverdreamer
30th June 2007, 07:16 PM
i'll be seriously cut if telstra gets the deal. They are awful, and don't support macs very well. Neither does Optus for that fact. I had to set up my ADSL on my pc, and not my mac which sucked.

Telstra has Excellent Mac Support!

Where do people get this notion that Telstra does not support Mac.:confused:


Telstra already bad mouthed it - apple would be stupid to go with them

Stupid not to.

Tiprya
30th June 2007, 07:20 PM
Um the question is not who you think it will be with its your preferred carrier

Anyone who prefers Telstra has rocks in their head - So for me anything but them or Vodafone who have the worst coverage in Australia

Devski
30th June 2007, 07:30 PM
Anyone who prefers Telstra has rocks in their head.

Or perhaps wants coverage?

Telstra is the only carrier to offer half decent coverage outside of metropolitan Australia.

mechcon
30th June 2007, 07:31 PM
And Three has best of both worlds, HSDPA, and Telstra coverage when not in the high-broadband zones :)

silverdreamer
30th June 2007, 07:31 PM
[QUOTE=Tiprya;317998]Um the question is not who you think it will be with its your preferred carrier

Anyone who prefers Telstra has rocks in their head .............- :eek:



Or maybe we have had years of trouble free support and service.:) Try moving off the couch and into rural australia.:rolleyes:

Devski
30th June 2007, 07:33 PM
And Three has best of both worlds, HSDPA, and Telstra coverage when not in the high-broadband zones :)

Except not at the same time. I'm fairly sure you can't use Telstra HSDPA with a Three account when outside of a Three coverage area.

dev_enter
30th June 2007, 07:34 PM
vodophone? Never heard of that one before. :p

silverdreamer
30th June 2007, 07:40 PM
vodophone? Never heard of that one before. :p

Chance encounter between a Vodaphone rep and a Flightless bird?:rolleyes:

kakman
30th June 2007, 07:46 PM
Telstra has Excellent Mac Support!
Where do people get this notion that Telstra does not support Mac.:confused:

We're currently re-negotiating our corporate phone and data services and are speaking to Telstra, Optus, Pacific Internet and our current provider (Nexstep).

Telstra Mac support is woeful. We wanted information on NextG - they sent a NextG PCMCIA card to try in our macBook Pro's which use Express 34. We then find out they don't have Express34 cards. Got them to exchange it for a USB version. Inserted the installer disk, no Mac driver despite it being listed on the box. Finally find an obscure reference in the user manual to go to a third party for a beta driver. Installed and didn't recognise the card. Re-installed and restarted and I can now see it. Despite hours of trying, can't get it to connect.

This is the sort of thing that gives us the notion... Having said that, many of the ISP's suck at Mac support so I should be surprised Telstra suck the most.

BTW, have you ever tried calling Telstra tech support? I'm sure they rely on the 'If we keep them holding long enough they'll go away' principle.

//k

mechcon
30th June 2007, 07:56 PM
Except not at the same time. I'm fairly sure you can't use Telstra HSDPA with a Three account when outside of a Three coverage area.

Well, you can't use Telstra HSDPA on Three, you use Three's HSDPA on Three. and Telstra's 2.5g network when out of the zone.

silverdreamer
30th June 2007, 08:00 PM
We're currently re-negotiating our corporate phone and data services and are speaking to Telstra, Optus, Pacific Internet and our current provider (Nexstep).

Telstra Mac support is woeful. We wanted information on NextG - they sent a NextG PCMCIA card to try in our macBook Pro's which use Express 34. We then find out they don't have Express34 cards. Got them to exchange it for a USB version. Inserted the installer disk, no Mac driver despite it being listed on the box. Finally find an obscure reference in the user manual to go to a third party for a beta driver. Installed and didn't recognise the card. Re-installed and restarted and I can now see it. Despite hours of trying, can't get it to connect.

This is the sort of thing that gives us the notion... Having said that, many of the ISP's suck at Mac support so I should be surprised Telstra suck the most.

BTW, have you ever tried calling Telstra tech support? I'm sure they rely on the 'If we keep them holding long enough they'll go away' principle.

//k

Right from the start you ask the guy your talking to if he is trained in Mac. If he or she is not, asked to be transferred to mac support. Have always had a Mac, have always been with Telstra. And always had excellent Mac support.

Devski
30th June 2007, 08:00 PM
...We then find out they don't have Express34 cards...

They have Express34 cards with Mac drivers.
http://my.bigpond.com/internetplans/broadband/wireless/mobile_plans/default.jsp

Tiprya
30th June 2007, 08:03 PM
Or maybe we have had years of trouble free support and service.:) Try moving off the couch and into rural australia.:rolleyes:

Um my mate in the country gets vodafone and optus but not Telstra - and he really lives in the country, so the old 'Telstra gives better coverage' is mostly bs

Why would you prefer Telstra to say 3 when 3 roams on Telstra and you get way cheaper rates and don't have such shitty customer service

How is that not a better option?

Oh sorry, I got off the couch to research how Telstra is not competitive and that they spend all their money trying to defend their monopoly so they can charge stupid prices for everything

The iPhone we get will be real 3G anyway - not this lame NextG Telstra has so its pretty much assured it won't be with Telstra - which is great cause they suck balls

silverdreamer
30th June 2007, 08:09 PM
Um my mate in the country gets vodafone and optus but not Telstra - and he really lives in the country, so the old 'Telstra gives better coverage' is mostly bs

Why would you prefer Telstra to say 3 when 3 roams on Telstra and you get way cheaper rates and don't have such shitty customer service

How is that not a better option?

Oh sorry, I got off the couch to research how Telstra is not competitive and that they spend all their money trying to defend their monopoly so they can charge stupid prices for everything

The iPhone we get will be real 3G anyway - not this lame NextG Telstra has so its pretty much assured it won't be with Telstra - which is great cause they suck balls

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Devski
30th June 2007, 08:09 PM
Well, you can't use Telstra HSDPA on Three, you use Three's HSDPA on Three. and Telstra's 2.5g network when out of the zone.

That was my point. You can't use the Telstra HSDPA network with a Three account, like you can with 2.5g. Three is a terrific 2.5g option for that reason, but a crap HSDPA option (outside Three's 'zone'). So unless Three and Telstra sort that out, it's not the best of both worlds.

I'd be the first inline for a Three mobile broadband account it could use the Telstra NextG network, because it's about a third of the cost of Telstra's option.

mechcon
30th June 2007, 08:11 PM
Keeping that in mind, Three is also the cheapest in the market.. Or not? I'd love to be corrected :P

Exocet
30th June 2007, 08:12 PM
3 will never get access to Telstra's HSDPA network. It was built standalone, and is not included as part of the 3GIS partnership.

aafuss
30th June 2007, 08:12 PM
Telstra-for coverage (but you won't be watching the mobile Foxtel channels). Or most likely-Vodafone.

Devski
30th June 2007, 08:26 PM
Keeping that in mind, Three is also the cheapest in the market.. Or not? I'd love to be corrected :P

As far as I am aware, Telstra and Three are the only ones offering mobile HSDPA internet access at the moment (I think HSDPA will be a staple for the iPhone). The other carriers are working on it too though.

With that in mind:
Telstra monthly access for 3gb download is $184.95 and the modem is $299
Three monthly access for 2gb download is $69 and the modem is free

So yeah, Three is much much cheaper for mobile internet.

kakman
30th June 2007, 08:26 PM
Right from the start you ask the guy your talking to if he is trained in Mac. If he or she is not, asked to be transferred to mac support. Have always had a Mac, have always been with Telstra. And always had excellent Mac support.
We have an assigned corporate rep and we've dealt with their regional(?) data specialist and their senior mobile person (can't think of her correct title but she had the authority to change account rates on the spot.)

We're ruled them out anyway, they wanted 10 weeks to make a data connection; and this for a company. And FWIW, their excess data rate on NextG was $10 per meg!

Tell me again why I should choose them?

//k

kakman
30th June 2007, 08:28 PM
They have Express34 cards with Mac drivers.
http://my.bigpond.com/internetplans/broadband/wireless/mobile_plans/default.jsp
Yes I know, but that's BigPond (the consumer stuff) not Telstra branded which is the corporate stuff (as they explain it).

//k

luke_in_tas
30th June 2007, 08:58 PM
For me it's Telstra. They are the only mobile company that has wide coverage down here in Tassie.

I'm hoping by the time the iPhone makes it here we'll get a NextG version.

BlowMeDown
30th June 2007, 09:00 PM
Considering Telstra is the only network that currently support EDGE technology it would most likely be them who will distribute it. But at the end of the day it's so far off for us here in Australia the iPhone is the last thing on my mind.

aswitcher
30th June 2007, 09:03 PM
Probably Telstra because of network, deals, EDGE.

But I wonder if they will do a non-exclusive deal with another carrier for 3G phone.

Exocet
30th June 2007, 09:39 PM
Yes I know, but that's BigPond (the consumer stuff) not Telstra branded which is the corporate stuff (as they explain it).

//k

I understand you've got the USB Turbo Modem? The drivers it would've directed you to download are from Maxon Australia - the manufacturer of the device. These are not third-party, they are proprietary. Direct from the manufacturer. Visit http://maxon.com.au/downloads.php?p=1 for the downloads. Support for these drivers is provided by Maxon, and they can be contacted on (02) 9707 2000



We're ruled them out anyway, they wanted 10 weeks to make a data connection; and this for a company. And FWIW, their excess data rate on NextG was $10 per meg!
//k
Obviously your rep isn't looking after you. I can walk down to a Telstra store and walk out with a fully activated USB Modem on the very same day. You might want to find a different account executive. Oh, and $10/mb? On the 200mb and above plans the excess rate is $0.25/mb, charged in per-kilobyte blocks.

mechcon
30th June 2007, 09:42 PM
Hmmm I been thinking about this more and more, and by the time it'll arrive in australia, we'll be able to choose which carrier we want the phone with, as I'm sure by then, all the carriers will have hsdpa, and/or edge... In fact.. When that Motorola ROKR came out (you remember the white E398 w/ iTunes on it?), was that available on all (GSM) carriers?

sjobs
30th June 2007, 10:35 PM
1. iPhone 3G edition.
2. Telstra told Apple to "Stick to their knitting" - Apple told Telstra fetch their hat and coat and "Fuckoff!"
3. Hutchinson (3) and Vodafone have been in negotiation with Apple regarding the insurgence of the iPhone into the Australian market. I really hope it's not Vodafone, their reception fucking sucks.

It's anyone's guess really.

iMic
30th June 2007, 11:12 PM
I sure hope Vodafone gets the deal. 3 have been so pathetic with their service and performance. Telstra have the issues we're already aware of. Optus were hopelessly pathetic from experience, and I haven't used Virgin so I can't really tell.

Vodafone, on the other hand, have been nothing short of excellent all around. Even their coverage is better than 3 here in Adelaide (compare our LG U8360 with 3, which roams 80% of the time, and our U8360 running Vodafone, which never roams).

mini_Matt
30th June 2007, 11:16 PM
I would say Apple would go with either Three or Vodafone, these are both in more then one country and normally have competitive pricing. Telstra don't have the brains for the iPhone.