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iSlayer
26th June 2007, 11:17 PM
the iPhone will work with any of AT&T's service plans, but they have put together three bundle plans that include unlimited data, Visual Voicemail (apparently not included if choosing a standard plan), 200 SMS and of course, roll-over minutes and unlimited mobile-to-mobile calling.

$59.99 for 450 minutes
$79.99 for 900 minutes
$99.99 for 1,350 minutes


http://www.tuaw.com/2007/06/26/atandt-and-apple-announce-service-plans-itunes-activation-for-iph/

Edge
27th June 2007, 12:25 AM
From the iPhone - Easy Setup - Rate Plans for iPhone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html) page.


Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval.

So, two questions... how much is the cancellation fee if you break an AT&T 2-year contract? And ((once activated) will the iPhone features, including iPod, be deactivated when an AT&T SIM card is not present? Let the sleuthing begin...

Edge
27th June 2007, 01:15 AM
So far, if you believe that the features won't activate without signing up to AT&T, I calculate the cost to get one of these things as follows...

USD$499 (or $599) for the iPhone.
USD$36 activation fee
USD$59 per month on 24-month contract (unless you have an existing AT&T plan and start a new 24-month contract on that rate)

So, what if you sign up, and want to cancel....
USD$175 is the cost of cancelling a 24-month contract, but only after the first 30 days.

So what I hear you ask? What is the cost in Australian dollars if you buy an iPhone, activate it, then cancel the contract? At a minimum...

$900+ for the 4GB and $1000+ for the 8GB.

All that and we don't even know if it's going to work with a different SIM. Fun, isn't it?

BLINDER
27th June 2007, 06:57 AM
All of a sudden it looks less tempting.
I'm one of those people spending about $8 month on my $69 nokia.
Will the iPhone have a cheap plan for me when it gets to Aus :) ?

[MREVO8]
27th June 2007, 07:17 AM
Disappointing that *all* features are locked unless you activate it. I wish we had those kind of plans here though.

I'm willing to bet someone will make a small fortune buying, activating, de-activating iPhones and then selling them on eBay.

digger1914
27th June 2007, 07:39 AM
All of a sudden it looks less tempting.
I'm one of those people spending about $8 month on my $69 nokia.
Will the iPhone have a cheap plan for me when it gets to Aus :) ?

In a word - no. This kind of phone will = $$$s

Presumably they wil not be locked here, but they will still cost big bucks to get, and I imagine their plans won;t be too cheap either

BlowMeDown
27th June 2007, 08:22 AM
Bah! I'm tired of reading about the stupid iPhone. Wake me when it gets to Australia which apparently may not be until end of 2008.

tcn33
27th June 2007, 08:33 AM
Engadget reports (http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/iphone-aint-even-an-ipod-without-service/) an anonymous tip that iPod features are permanently unlocked when the phone is activated.

btw Pogue's review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=2&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1182895309-Vnp4azqp9EpedhLZvo6dmA&oref=slogin) is out, as is Mossberg's (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118289311361649057.html.html?mod=technology_main _promo_left).

Squozen
27th June 2007, 08:52 AM
I can't wait until the iPhone's out so I can stop hearing about the fucking thing.

timwallG5
27th June 2007, 09:00 AM
As far as I see it, the iPhone is another gadget for annoying rich kids to tout about.

High-profile business executives probably won't touch it because it has no support for Microsoft Exchange email or whatever their servers use.

Comet
27th June 2007, 09:14 AM
If the phone is unlocked once unlocked, I might seriously consider buying this. Would be a pain to get it repaired if something goes wrong when using outside of the US though.. :(

mvjs
27th June 2007, 09:21 AM
High-profile business executives probably won't touch it because it has no support for Microsoft Exchange email or whatever their servers use.

Actually, the iPhone does support (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/26/microsoft-exchange-support-in-iphone/) Exchange, as well as IMAP and POP; the two standards for email.

iSlayer
27th June 2007, 09:32 AM
btw Pogue's review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=2&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1182895309-Vnp4azqp9EpedhLZvo6dmA&oref=slogin) is out, as is Mossberg's (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118289311361649057.html.html?mod=technology_main _promo_left).

Pretty decent reviews for a 1.0 product. Atleast when we eventually get it here we wont have the slow edge network problem

iSlayer
27th June 2007, 09:41 AM
Actually, the iPhone does support (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/26/microsoft-exchange-support-in-iphone/) Exchange, as well as IMAP and POP; the two standards for email.

hmm that is a pretty big deal. Blackberry's dont even have native exchange support do they ?
I was under the impression blackberry had there own software that acts as a bridge between exchange and phones.

I guess we need to wait and see how apple does it.

zbaron
27th June 2007, 09:46 AM
hmm that is a pretty big deal. Blackberry's dont even have native exchange support do they ?
I was under the impression blackberry had there own software that acts as a bridge between exchange and phones.

I think Mossberg's comment:


It can also handle corporate email using Microsoft's Exchange system, if your IT department cooperates by enabling a setting on the server.

Means enabling IMAP support on the Exchange server. This however does not help those of us that have Lotus Notes, who's IMAP support is so broken it is not worth trying to work with, even if it does get enabled.

And yes, Blackberry requires the installation (and maintenance) of a separate Blackberry server.

iSlayer
27th June 2007, 09:49 AM
I think Mossberg's comment

Thats what i thought aswell but if they are licensing the "Exchange ActiveSync licensing protocol" as macrumors are reporting then maybe it wont require imap

Quamen
27th June 2007, 09:51 AM
I'm more disappointed by the fact that in the Sync video Apple released it shows the normal options for adding events created on the device to a single calendar.

I was kind of hoping Apple, implementing the software and hardware the whole way through would have added support for multiple calendars on the iPhone. I hope that changes before it is released here, otherwise it'll be useless to me as a portable version of my calendar.

@Edge

Did you include US sales tax on those estimates? That's sure to put the price up another 8% or so. And then there's the added risk of GST being slapped on it by customs as it enters Australia.

Buying one from overseas really isn't going to be worth it.

mechcon
27th June 2007, 10:15 AM
Bah! I'm tired of reading about the stupid iPhone. Wake me when it gets to Australia which apparently may not be until end of 2008.

THANK YOU! I was waiting for somebody else to say that!

Bart Smastard
27th June 2007, 10:20 AM
OK. I'm officially over the iPhone. Every single IT related RSS feed I subscribe to has a story on the iPhone. Is it going to be like this until Leopard comes out? (or maybe the new-look iMacs will surface and provide a little distraction).






... I still want one though :o

The Architect.mac
27th June 2007, 10:32 AM
one thing that does have me beat is all the yahoo syncing, sure they must have bent over backwards to make it push the email and all that but wouldn't google be the logical partner if you don't shell out for .mac...

edit - iCal is supposed to be moving to WebDav finally so .mac can have some online calendaring so im sure there will be benefits in that for the iphone...

iSlayer
27th June 2007, 11:19 AM
couple more reviews
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19444948/site/newsweek/page/0/
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/edwardbaig/2007-06-26-iphone-review_N.htm

Kuma
27th June 2007, 12:04 PM
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I was kind of hoping Apple, implementing the software and hardware the whole way through would have added support for multiple calendars on the iPhone. I hope that changes before it is released here, otherwise it'll be useless to me as a portable version of my calendar.

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the latest video clearly shows it is possible to select which calendars you wish to sync

Quamen
27th June 2007, 12:25 PM
the latest video clearly shows it is possible to select which calendars you wish to sync

You're not reading it right.

It also clearly shows that any events entered on the iPhone are synced back to one calendar. I hate this.
I have 15 calendars. I want to be able to select the calendar an event belongs to when I create it (on the iPhone), I don't want to have to sift through all my new events in iCal and assign them to the correct calendars.

Kuma
27th June 2007, 01:01 PM
http://myskitch.com/shonankuma/iphone-activation_sync_848x480.mov-20070627-120110.jpg

I see your point...
well if there is enough complaining I reckon there could very well be a firmware upgrade... (a strong point for the iPhone vs other phones.. firmware update easy.)

Quamen
27th June 2007, 01:31 PM
That's the one Kuma. I was hoping the iPhone would be the one phone capable of having multiple calendars on the phone itself. Oh well..

spargo
27th June 2007, 01:37 PM
That's the one Kuma. I was hoping the iPhone would be the one phone capable of having multiple calendars on the phone itself. Oh well..
I agree = my current V3 does this already - given it's a 2 year old V3, i'm not really complaining and I just sort through and allocate to the correct Calender once Sync'd, but for a new release 'Smartphone'? well, aint that smart is it..

Edge
27th June 2007, 03:02 PM
Engadget reports (http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/iphone-aint-even-an-ipod-without-service/) an anonymous tip that iPod features are permanently unlocked when the phone is activated. Fingers crossed. But Mossberg states that a T-Mobile SIM card won't work...


Did you include US sales tax on those estimates? That's sure to put the price up another 8% or so. And then there's the added risk of GST being slapped on it by customs as it enters Australia.
Excellent point. I didn't take either of those into account in my rough calculations, but if you get someone to send it as a 'gift,' it should come underneath the $1000 Customs threshhold shouldn't it?

Beaner
27th June 2007, 05:27 PM
Hell yeah, if some company can send me one unlocked for $1000 bucks I am warming the credit card up.

DJY
27th June 2007, 07:45 PM
The activation in iTunes is interesting...
and it will be fascinating to watch if / when people try and move it out of the domestic USA...
as well as away from AT&T.

mvjs
27th June 2007, 08:45 PM
It'll be interesting to see how Apple integrates the whole iTunes activation system into international carriers' networks. It can't be an easy process.

entropy
27th June 2007, 08:49 PM
so basically its a US$20 unlimited data plan (ie dropping off the cost of standard AT&T voice packages) + voice charges. I guess at current exchange rates plus GST the data cost would be about $30 if it were here (plus cost of voice services)

chrissara
27th June 2007, 09:07 PM
If Mossberg is right, then the battery life on the phone is superb - I cannot think of any phone out there now that can match his reported findings "in real life".

Put it this way boys and girls - by teh time the phone hits Australia we are probably getting a second or third revision which can only mean better and possibly bigger things.

mvjs
27th June 2007, 09:34 PM
so basically its a US$20 unlimited data plan (ie dropping off the cost of standard AT&T voice packages) + voice charges. I guess at current exchange rates plus GST the data cost would be about $30 if it were here (plus cost of voice services)

You can't do a simple currency conversion for the plans. We'll get served up bugger-all plans from Telstra, for a lion's price. Here's hoping that it will be on Three, who have some OK (great by Australian standards though) plans, $40 for 3GB or something.

entropy
27th June 2007, 11:16 PM
You can't do a simple currency conversion for the plans. We'll get served up bugger-all plans from Telstra, for a lion's price. Here's hoping that it will be on Three, who have some OK (great by Australian standards though) plans, $40 for 3GB or something.

True, you have to take account of local competition and price accordingly. This is three's x-series (http://xseries.three.com.au/xseries/pricing.shtml) that comes with skype. I think that would be a guide here.

From comments in previous threads on the iphone here, I suspect it might be optus that gets the iphone.