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Disko
16th March 2004, 08:48 AM
Okay, the last 3 or 4 updates released by apple have rendered my powerbook useless leaving me with no option but to reinstall.

This time, before installing 10.3.3 (which is out now - check the news page) i'm going to do all the neccesary fix ups first. aka - repair permissions, reset PRam, safe boot, etc... Hopefully, this will be the first update since 10.3.1 that hasn't made my powerbook forget how to boot up.


Is anyone else taking the ultra-paranoid approach like myself? Or are you just diving in heads first. Post your stories; good or bad, here.

Disko
16th March 2004, 09:34 AM
Well, it all worked smooth and without a hitch. Networking is improved, i'll post pics and more in a moment.

Disko
16th March 2004, 10:05 AM
Well, here's the info i promised:
http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/000.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/000.jpg)
As Apple said in the release notes, this update makes changes to networking. The first thing i noticed was an SMB share in the sidebar, and mounted on the desktop. Good job - now i can use the same network service as everyone else at work.

Network pics:

http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/002.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/002.jpg)http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/004.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/004.jpg)

Apple also updated Disk Utility, DVD Player, Mail and Safari.
http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/006.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/006.jpg)http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/005.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/005.jpg)
http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/008.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/008.jpg)http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/007.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/007.jpg)

In the appleinsider forums, Frank_t spotted this thread (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?threadid=39590) where these photos were posted with details of UPS support in the energy saver control panel.

http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/UPS2.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/UPS2.jpg)http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/thumbs/UPS3.jpg (http://www.appletalkaustralia.com/images/1033/UPS3.jpg)

If anyone has any additions to this, feel free to add them.

rice mac
16th March 2004, 10:11 AM
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25711

I updated my powerbook about an hour ago and things seem to be fine.

Disko
16th March 2004, 01:33 PM
What's new in this version:
Networking and .Mac enhancements
Addresses issues, such as a lost network connection, that could
occur when connecting to a network device that forces the network speed
and/or duplex setting (known as a "locked" device). AppleTalk Browsing is now on by default.
Resolves an issue in which name conflicts could occur among
Network Service Entities.
Available servers can be seen when browsing Windows Workgroups
or Domains.
Enhancements to /Network browsing include: Servers appear on the
desktop and in Finder window Sidebars, AFP Authentication options are
available, and you can disconnect a server by dragging its icon on the
desktop to the Trash or by clicking the Eject icon in the Sidebar.
Improves synchronization between .Mac and your computer.
.Mac no longer attempts to automatically sync files over a
wireless network (or "hotspot") before the computer is authorized to
use the network. Enhances an Open directory plug-in, which is used in network
environments: The Active Directory plug-in is no longer sensitive to
the case of the domain; the plug-in now works in ".local" domain
environments; the plug-in is now less sensitive to DNS records that
don't have matching reverse lookup. Improves compatibility with certain third-party wireless
networking PC cards, such as the Honda AH-G10. More...
Enhances the IrDA menu item when IrDA networking is active.
Finder and applications that allow you to browse the file system
will now refresh the contents of a remote network volume's folder or
directory when the folder's contents change.
DVD Player enhancements
DVD Player will no longer quit if an unsupported PCI video card
is installed in your computer. More...
DVD Player supports more DVD video discs that are designed to
play automatically.
Improved DVD playback when "Digital Audio Output" is selected in
DVD Player preferences. DVD Player now recognizes and plays DVD+R media.
Application enhancements
Images retain their characteristics when you import them in
iPhoto. More...
Addresses an issue in which Mail could unexpectedly quit when
marking some types of unsolicited messages (or "spam") as Junk. Addresses issues that may cause Address Book and other
applications to unexpectedly quit if the Classic Mac OS fonts are
disabled in Font Book.
Text shadow opacity and color are saved in RTF documents and
preserved when you copy or paste.
Image Capture can now import files whose names begins with an
underscore character ("_") .
Finder enhancements Improves security by requiring an administrator to authenticate
for each Finder action that needs authentication, such as installing
software. In earlier Mac OS X Panther versions, an administrator who
authenticated may have unknowingly given elevated priviledges to the
non-admin user for 5 minutes. This change also prevents a normal user
from performing administrator actions if an administrator user has
authenticated during their session.
When you use an Open menu command to choose a file in Finder or
an application, the flashing button now says "Choose" instead of
"Open". Addresses an issue in which Finder unexpectedly quits if the
View menu option "Show icon preview" is enabled while dragging a
significant number of icons to another location.Other enhancements
Improvements in start up time that some computers experienced
under some installations of Mac OS X 10.3.2 Update. More...
Improves print operations when a pending print job is moved to
the queue of a printer that has different capabilities. More...
Improves recognition of Hi-Speed USB devices by PowerBook G4 and
iBook G4 computers when woken from sleep.
A UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) panel is available in
Energy Saver preferences, as well as a UPS menu bar item, when a UPS
power management system is connected to the computer. Overall support
for UPS systems is improved.
Improves display of text when printing a document that contains
two-byte PostScript CID or OpenType fonts.
Improves compatibility for USB Overdrive: Addresses an issue in
which the Media Eject and volume keys may not work if an early version
was installed. More...
Improves Fan Control system function for Power Mac G5 computers.
Includes Bluetooth 1.5, which supports Bluetooth-enabled
headsets with iChat AV, and adds the ability to print to compatible
Bluetooth-enabled printers.
Adds support for the latest mLAN devices. First-generation mLAN
devices require a firmware update for compatibility with v10.3.3.

edit: formatting

pipsqeek
16th March 2004, 04:11 PM
Working okay on my iBook...the specs or in the pic.

Steve

DVD Plaza
16th March 2004, 06:06 PM
I tell you what, I've never seen OSX boot as quickly as 10.3.3 does - awesome stuff!

DVD Plaza
16th March 2004, 06:11 PM
Just a quick heads up that 10.3.3 left my 17" PowerBook on Safari 1.1.1 whilst my 15" PowerBook was updated to 1.2.1 - seems Safari is only updated if you are running 1.2

the_argon
16th March 2004, 08:46 PM
Argh!

*wishes he had ADSL now*

EDIT: w00t!

Detailed Status: Confirmed: Carrier has confirmed service as deliverable, provisioning work is now being undertaken

Telstra Advice: Current ETA: 18/03/2004

jameso
17th March 2004, 06:47 AM
I had a Kernel Panic while Software Update was pre-binding my system... I just run the pre-binding by hand after a restart. I've had no other trouble

jameso

pipsqeek
17th March 2004, 07:18 AM
My "Optimising System.." sat there for over an hour. Didn't hang but just took its time.

I really don't understand was its doing there. Very vague

Steve

Craigglez
17th March 2004, 08:17 AM
Left this downloading last night (56k = phear!), restarted this morning, everything seems fine. I use a 12" PowerBook G4.

Didn't notice any improvement to boot time, but that's probably because I only restart when software update wants me to, so booting up isn't a regular occurance for me... (this 10.3.3 update killed my 11 day uptime :()

pipsqeek
17th March 2004, 08:42 AM
It killed my 25 day up-time.

10.3.2 killed my 45 day up-time.

I never shut the iBook down, had it sleep once for five days straight and when I opened it to use it, battery was a healthy 80% after five days sleep.

I laugh at the PC users at tafe with laptops with battery life at 4 hours max, albeit sitting idle.

They are all usually plugging in at 10:30am (class starts at 8am). Me? I go all day without touching my charger. The only time I use it is to keep the iBook charged because I know I will be using it later that day without a power point around.

Without a charge, I end up having about 20% charge left at the end of a day at TAFE. 8Hours (most likely 3 hours of sleep if you include morno, lunch, arvo tea, teacher crapping on about networking).

Steve

DVD Plaza
17th March 2004, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by pipsqeek@Mar 17 2004, 08:42 AM
I laugh at the PC users at tafe with laptops with battery life at 4 hours max, albeit sitting idle.
A year ago I'd be laughing along with you - but unfortunately that's no longer the case. Those new Pentium-M based notebooks make an utter joke out of our PowerBook battery life - I can completely set one up from scratch, including installing Windows and all software from CD, for an entire day and it'll still be going... ie we're talking 8 hours HEAVY use. When idling those things practically power from air, a couple of hours later and maybe a few percent has been used, and when in use they seem to use bugger all better power.

In theory the new G5 PowerBooks give us back our edge...

pipsqeek
17th March 2004, 12:08 PM
In theory, we shall see.

I'll be able to afford a G5 PB by the time they are the equivilent to the original iMac's

If that is the case, then I will be able to get two days worth of work out of one charge, if I can get one days worth now.

Steve

Craigglez
17th March 2004, 03:55 PM
Ok I have my first issue with this update (at least I think it is to blame... <_< ):

I can&#39;t copy and paste text&#33;&#33; It&#39;s really bugging me, and I&#39;m not sure why it is doing it. Using shortcut keys, menus etc it still wont copy the text. :( I guess I could restart and see if that makes a difference, but that will be a last resort. IS anyone else having or had copy-paste issues?

Disko
17th March 2004, 04:08 PM
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.
My powerbook copies and pastes fine.

Craigglez
17th March 2004, 04:48 PM
Just restarted and....

It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D
It works now :D

the_argon
17th March 2004, 06:26 PM
lol, I had the same problem a few days ago and I thought it was just me being a retard and not copying.

Generally a restart fixes everything :)

Currawong
17th March 2004, 08:39 PM
I quit Safari before installing, and everything went fine. No problem so far.

If anyone&#39;s interested, maybe I&#39;ll post instructions how to set up a repair-permissions thing to run once a day, or once a week, or however often one wants, automatically.

Gothikon
17th March 2004, 09:34 PM
Happy dance, Happy dance, network browser works for the first time since 10.3 was released&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Oh anyone checked out XYM apparently some of the creative external audio devices now work properly with OS X, they;ve had limited unofficial support since 10.2 but Apparently the Creative MP3+ or something works well, great for iBook owners, or cube owners like me.

Disko
17th March 2004, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Currawong@Mar 17 2004, 09:09 PM
If anyone&#39;s interested, maybe I&#39;ll post instructions how to set up a repair-permissions thing to run once a day, or once a week, or however often one wants, automatically.
Yeah, tell all. How do you set that up?

yinyang
17th March 2004, 10:08 PM
my upgrade went swimmingly and i noticed that there is an updated cocktail to cope with 10.3.3 as well, so i downloaded that as well. think apple may have done themselves proud with the little negative feedback i&#39;ve seen around on the other forums : )

elvis
19th March 2004, 12:19 PM
My little iMac 333 is still powering on. I have yet to have a single patch from Apple go astray on this little guy. It survived all of the 10.1 and 10.2 updates without problem (even that wonky 10.2.7/10.2.8 one that got recalled the day after I installed it).

10.3.3 is on here now and screaming. I love this little machine like it was my own child&#33; :D

cogo
23rd March 2004, 09:00 AM
no issues here on my powerbook. also upgraded my B&W g3 without a hitch. FYI, i plugged in an NTFS formatted drive and panther reconginsed it straight away. i was able to copy data off it no worries...but obviously couldnt copy data back.

FreakMac
30th March 2004, 12:20 AM
All OK here, delivered through software update

Machine Model: iMac
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
Memory: 768 MB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.68f4
Serial Number: W83XXXXXXXX

System Version: Mac OS X 10.3.3 (7F44)
Kernel Version: Darwin 7.3.0
Boot Volume: Macintosh HD
Computer Name: Kane & Toula Spearsís Computer
User Name: Kane & Toula Spears (kanetoulaspears)

Kane..