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entropy
23rd January 2007, 06:59 AM
I was thinking on Apple's mutlitouch system (and how it is "covered by 200 patents"), the other day, and I was thinking it is only a matter of time before the patent is challenged.

After all, isn't it a bit like a hierarchical menu system? Kinda obvious?

Then my conspiracy theory detector kicked in....(its a latent thing)......What if apple settled the Creative ipod menu dispute in order to set a precedent in the mutlitouch case (Jobs: "Creative was very lucky to get this patent" through gritted teeth). What if it was all part of a grand strategy? Let's face it, from now on, when anyone mentions multitouch tech, they will think of Apple.

cgollner
23rd January 2007, 07:08 AM
I thought that Jobs' referred to the iPhone being protected by 200+ patents as a whole not just multi-touch.

brentd
23rd January 2007, 07:25 AM
hard to patent multi-touch? Its been around for a while.
Check out this amazing presentation (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han) from Jeff Han @ NY Uni (about 9mins), show a pinch zoom about 1/3 of the way through (+ on screen keyboard).

MactrixAUS
23rd January 2007, 07:50 AM
hard to patent multi-touch? Its been around for a while.
Check out this amazing presentation (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han) from Jeff Han @ NY Uni (about 9mins), show a pinch zoom about 1/3 of the way through (+ on screen keyboard).

Wow that was awesome. I think I may have seen this on the news before.

Brains
23rd January 2007, 09:34 AM
Multi-touch has been available in commercial products for almost two years before the iPhone -- check out the JazzMutant Lemur (http://www.jazzmutant.com) programmable touch interface, designed by a couple of French lads from the IRCAM institute in Paris.

B.

feeze
23rd January 2007, 11:05 AM
You cannot patent a concept You can only panted your implementation of the concept.

gpillans
23rd January 2007, 11:44 AM
hard to patent multi-touch? Its been around for a while.
Check out this amazing presentation (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han) from Jeff Han @ NY Uni (about 9mins), show a pinch zoom about 1/3 of the way through (+ on screen keyboard).
That presentation is a very nice demonstration of how multi-touch can work. But he has implemented the pinch zoom and other operations in a slightly different (and not as user friendly) way.

The way his program works - depending on how many fingers you use to do an action, it has different effects. For instance with the 'pinch zoom' you may notice he actually has to use two hands, with one hand he uses one finger, and with the other hand he uses three or four (from memory).

So it isn't as user-friendly as other multi-touch applications, as you have to remember all the combinations of how many fingers to use for each kind of movement or action. This is the only shortcoming I see in it though... otherwise it is an amazing piece of work, and visually stunning.

oneplusone
23rd January 2007, 12:16 PM
hard to patent multi-touch? Its been around for a while.
Check out this amazing presentation (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han) from Jeff Han @ NY Uni (about 9mins), show a pinch zoom about 1/3 of the way through (+ on screen keyboard).

OMG! That was freakin' awesome! Just imagine when computers start to go down that route.

maybe that could be what's in store for Mac OS11........ sweet.:thumbup:

entropy
23rd January 2007, 01:25 PM
The multitouch system jeff han developed uses an infrared camera placed behind the screen. This would not work on an iphone for obvious reasons.

The iphone is completely different technology. Apple bought Fingerworks a couple of years ago, and its technology is already used in the macbooks' touchpad. The founder of Fingerworks in arecent itnerview as good as indicated that the iphone tech is a step up from the fingerworks technology, as it's built into the screen itself.