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STK
10th January 2007, 03:53 AM
Whoa, How sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet is that!?!

grorr76
10th January 2007, 03:58 AM
extremely cool. looks very like the widescreen video ipo everyone was touting.. maybe thats next

f1_power
10th January 2007, 04:25 AM
This thing is incredible - still waiting for a price and oz availability but it might be goodbye finally to my K700i!

ruegen
10th January 2007, 04:28 AM
As soon as they reach our shores... I am ditching my Motorola V3x!

cgollner
10th January 2007, 04:29 AM
I hope they just list it on the Apple AU store and you buy it from there, chuck in your sim and *boom*. That would be so cool. Fingers crossed.

Chris

Muzza_77
10th January 2007, 04:39 AM
Sweet as.

The Architect.mac
10th January 2007, 04:44 AM
man oh man, iphone

Muzza_77
10th January 2007, 04:50 AM
:mad: Asia 2008 release

STK
10th January 2007, 04:56 AM
Dude it costs lts say $800 AUD plus a 2 year contract of $600 USD. This is very expensiv!

mainframe
10th January 2007, 04:57 AM
i dont care about price, this thing is miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
:D

pipingfiend
10th January 2007, 05:02 AM
most high end pda/smartphones are $800AU so the pricing matches it will be more interesting to see what providers bring it onboard

Exocet
10th January 2007, 05:04 AM
Considering an i-mate JASJAM retails for over $1000, I'm impressed.

aswitcher
10th January 2007, 05:06 AM
Looks like I'll be getting one...2008 is rude

graemie
10th January 2007, 05:08 AM
I reckon by the time it's here, there will be a second revision of it...

g.

mainframe
10th January 2007, 05:09 AM
surely well get it before 2008, maybe he meant actual asia not asia pacific.

tcn33
10th January 2007, 05:09 AM
Agreed. It's quad-band so you could pick one up from ebay and use it here... but by the sounds of it they won't be selling the phone without a Cingular contract.

downsys
10th January 2007, 05:17 AM
surely well get it before 2008, maybe he meant actual asia not asia pacific.

going by that logic, we won't ever get it since he only mentioned the us, europe, and asia :p

BlowMeDown
10th January 2007, 05:21 AM
$800 plus two year contract??? A bit pricey. I'm more than happy with my iPod in that case.

mainframe
10th January 2007, 05:21 AM
shutup :(

f1_power
10th January 2007, 05:26 AM
Goodnight Zune....

This is the REAL social :D

I wonder what Mr Gates and Ballmer are thinking right about now......

entropy
10th January 2007, 05:27 AM
Apple actually calls it the iphone! (http://www.apple.com/iphone/) (apple site with pics!)

DJY
10th January 2007, 05:54 AM
Looks very nice!
Just sussing it out now via the Apple site.

This is one new Apple product I think I will have to get!
Anyone seen / heard more of the release / availability details?

I haven't watched the Keynote yet - and the website is particularly slow?

I have a couple of friends who regularly go to the States... so this might indeed be something I might have to investigate more to purchasing over there maybe.
Quadband GSM phone - so theoretically it should work here?

marc
10th January 2007, 05:56 AM
Agreed. It's quad-band so you could pick one up from ebay and use it here... but by the sounds of it they won't be selling the phone without a Cingular contract.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. We probably can just buy one and put a sim card in (maybe). Or maybe it uses CDMA or something... I doubt Jobs and Ives would want an ugly removable panel on the back. My guess (given the iPod) is that there's no removable battery.

HMMMM.

The real issue would be getting one from o/s. There's NO WAY apple with be able to meet demand.

Exocet
10th January 2007, 05:59 AM
Marc, it uses GSM/GPRS with EDGE capabilities along with 802.11b/g. Relies on a SIM card, so there needs to be some sort of opening unless it is truly exclusive through Cingular and the SIM card is built in (has been done before).

entropy
10th January 2007, 06:00 AM
It's edge, not 3G. It is not designed for our market.

timwallG5
10th January 2007, 06:03 AM
It runs a modified version of OS X too... I wonder if people will hack it to run Mac programs...

Exocet
10th January 2007, 06:10 AM
It's edge, not 3G. It is not designed for our market.
Say what? I'm looking at my Blackberry right now and its connected via EDGE. I think you mean that its not designed for Optus/Vodafone - Telstra has EDGE coverage for 99% of its GSM network.

limpboy
10th January 2007, 06:12 AM
The iPhone looks cool and interesting but I'm more interested in the Widescreen iPod features. I already have a good enough phone. Does this mean that a new iPod revision for all others to widescreen and touch-screen? I would prefer a widescreen 80GB touch iPod and drop the phone features.

palais
10th January 2007, 06:14 AM
Nah, he meant 2008, this thing will take friggin' forever to get here, and then someone like Telstra will get it and charge thousands for data..... Althought they haven't screwed up the Hiptop2 yet...

timwallG5
10th January 2007, 06:15 AM
$800 plus two year contract??? A bit pricey. I'm more than happy with my iPod in that case.

It's a standard price for a high-end phone - you can get some shockingly expensive phones from Telstra too - they're $1000 for a smartphone without contract!

It's OK considering you get an iPod; Phone; PDA; camera and smartphone rolled into one.

We all predicted the iPhone - and Apple have delivered a really cool product once again.

entropy
10th January 2007, 06:21 AM
Say what? I'm looking at my Blackberry right now and its connected via EDGE. I think you mean that its not designed for Optus/Vodafone - Telstra has EDGE coverage for 99% of its GSM network.

Sorry, didn't realise Telstra was EDGE. Well that is damn good. So is it possible to unlock a cingular exclusive?

asphotos
10th January 2007, 06:29 AM
why would you want it...

its north amercian centric, its using a GPRS/ 2G phone device. edge is only offered by hel$tra, and then at less than 120kbps. gprs is 44.8kbps in australia.

what the world needs is a 3GPP (3g) version with hsdpa, anything less than 1.8mpbs of data rate is useless for what it promises to be.

we need to know what chipset / vendor they are using and prey its not Motorola, hopefully they have options for 3G, but withy north america not following any international 3G standard, and the rest of the world doing so, anyhitng we get in OZ (based on past experience) will be less than ideal.

i guess its a TBA, but dont count on apple and its NA focus being anyhitng but complacent.

melted.marsbar
10th January 2007, 06:32 AM
Oh man! I better start saving for it. I'm gonna be the coolest kid on the bus once I get one of these babies :p

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 06:34 AM
I'm really really happy with this release - except it isn't in Australia!! eBay hopefully :p.

cgollner
10th January 2007, 06:35 AM
I think when and if it hits our market that the telcos will cripple it by either locking it down or just not supporting all the services. That aside.

I want it because
a) its a GSM phone (should work here)
b) it combines ipod (one less device to carry)

I do not do mobile internet anyway so that other aspects do really worry me.

asphotos
10th January 2007, 06:42 AM
convergence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergance) - but not at GPRS styled performance. :)

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 06:43 AM
Would could be crippled down? Phone-wise It doesn't seem to have THAT much to lock.

aswitcher
10th January 2007, 06:44 AM
So Christmas 2007 or Early 2008?

dshan
10th January 2007, 06:47 AM
It's great but a really different product from Apple (inc!):

1. How can they call it iPhone when they don't have that trademark? Do they want to *invite* lawsuits now?

2. It's not available even in the USA until June! When did Apple *ever* announce a product 6 months before making it available? Their website says it hasn't been approved by the US FCC yet, I guess that takes a few months. Lots of time for Nokia and the rest to copy bits of it by then unfortunately, though with the patent fence around the touch i/f that will be hard I guess.

nicwithsticks
10th January 2007, 07:00 AM
This is THE sexiest phone I have ever seen - waking up to this on Apple.com caused a mild arrhythmia among other things :)

Seriously though, I must have one of these. The 2008 release date is a bit shit, but hopefully they'll manage to get it to us before then. As for the EDGE dilemma, (I can't believe I'm about to write this) I will move to Telstra if I need to in order to own one of these sweet babies. That being said, if Apple's 2008 Asia/Asia Pacific iPhone includes 3G capabilities, I'll be fine with that.

Interface wise, I am totally amazed. It runs OS X, and just looks light years ahead of any interface I've seen on a phone. I will be interested to see how it fares in real world tests, but I'm hopeful that it will work just as smoothly as Apple is showing on their site.

Gah! I want now! Now I'm just waiting for the keynote to appear online so I can watch it.

nbetts
10th January 2007, 07:01 AM
i want one. right now.

asphotos
10th January 2007, 07:04 AM
edge is just 2.8375g. its a subset of the 1999 GSm spec. its not, network centric, its just the other 2 players have not bothered with the capital investment required when 3G is MUCH better.

having said that, telstra got a free edge upgrade to the gsm network they owned with a 850Mhz 3G network the purchased from Ericsson, but I didn't tell you that!

Exocet
10th January 2007, 07:07 AM
why would you want it...

its north amercian centric, its using a GPRS/ 2G phone device. edge is only offered by hel$tra, and then at less than 120kbps. gprs is 44.8kbps in australia.

what the world needs is a 3GPP (3g) version with hsdpa, anything less than 1.8mpbs of data rate is useless for what it promises to be.

we need to know what chipset / vendor they are using and prey its not Motorola, hopefully they have options for 3G, but withy north america not following any international 3G standard, and the rest of the world doing so, anyhitng we get in OZ (based on past experience) will be less than ideal.

i guess its a TBA, but dont count on apple and its NA focus being anyhitng but complacent.
I think its great the way you constantly bash Telstra for providing faster services than other carriers. Yes I'm biased as I am an employee, but I am still a realist. You may not agree with Telstra's business principles or practices but the fact of the matter is that they offer the fastest mobile data rates, and the widest network of any of the carriers here in Australia.

You have a choice of 2.5G carriers, Telstra is the fastest with their EDGE network but they're idiots for offering it at "less than 120kbps". Well, 120kbps is faster than Optus and Vodafone's 38.4kbps GPRS network. Furthermore there's no additional charge for EDGE traffic, its the same cost as standard GPRS.

3G is level across the gamut, 3Telstra and Optafone both offering 384kbps on 3G2100.

Then on top of that Telstra are offering their HSDPA 3G850 network (notice I didn't say NextG, cause I saw earlier that this gets your panties in a twist) with 550kbps - 1.5mbps at this stage, expanding to 14.4mbps (device dependant) this year. I'm trying to figure out how offering faster data services makes Telstra worse.

How does this appy to iPhone? Well, Telstra are closer to Cingular than any other carrier in Australia. They have assisted eachother with the rollouts of each company's 3G850 HSDPA network. The iPhone is released with EDGE - Telstra is the only carrier in Australia to offer edge. Future releases of the iPhone may see 3G850MHz being added to the handset with HSDPA capabilities, making it perfect for showcasing both Telstra's and Cingular's 3G850MHz networks.

You'll no-doubt see an update to the phone to include iTunes and music downloads while on-the-go. Bigpond Mobile Music offers clunky dual-downloads, purchase on your phone then log in and download it on your PC. Wouldn't it be easier to download it on the handset, and then have it syncronise with your Mac/PC when you next plug your iPhone in? Similar effect when you purchase a new track on your Mac/PC and having it sync across.

Of course, mobile carriers have worked hard to fight against systems such as iTunes, and you may see partnerships offering dual-branding of the iTunes stores on mobiles. Think "iTunes Mobile - Provided by Bigpond Music", or "iTunes Mobile - Provided by Cingular Tunecast" or whatever the branding is. I think that the concept of the device is very interesting and although I probably won't get the RevA model (I only bought my HipTop2 at the start of October), I'll be very interested in seeing the developments over the next 12-18 months.

Tejas
10th January 2007, 07:09 AM
i'll be getting one of these babys - this is what they should have came out with insted of the rokr

lenman74
10th January 2007, 07:09 AM
so we still have an edge network in Aus??? what speed does it go up to?

uncyherb
10th January 2007, 07:13 AM
This would have to be the only 'phony' iPod that the mac geeks crave! :D

Exocet
10th January 2007, 07:13 AM
so we still have an edge network in Aus??? what speed does it go up to?
Approximately 115kbps, available on Telstra only.

mjankor
10th January 2007, 07:25 AM
Hmmm, all those iPhone mockups we saw suddenly look really lame. This iPhone looks awesome.

tcn33
10th January 2007, 07:26 AM
We're all forgetting one thing when arguing whether the announced iPhone will work well here: By 2008 the iPhone may be up to rev B (or who knows, rev C or even iPhone 2), which could add/change any number of things, including network compatibility. Maybe Apple will include UMTS for the Asian market.

jibbon
10th January 2007, 07:29 AM
AHHH! It's so pretty and functional it's almost making me angry that I have to wait a year!

OziMac
10th January 2007, 07:52 AM
If it could take any SIM, I'd almost be tempted to get someone in the US to buy one and simply buy out their contract (or give them another phone)... sooo tempting to be so far away... :)

asphotos
10th January 2007, 07:54 AM
Approximately 115kbps, available on Telstra only.

or optus, in some parts of australia.

and telstras edge struggles past 80kbps at best with very bad latency!

W2ttsy
10th January 2007, 07:58 AM
sweet... by the time it gets here, ill have had my imate long enough to justify ditching it for one of these new puppies.

although im a tad worried on its integration with windows office apps (outlook/exchange) as these will be used in the target market of these types of phone.
one of the reasons i shelled out for an imate is the syncing with email/files at work (windows environment)...

As for the price, $800 is a good price for a smart phone. i paid $779 for my iMate JAMin, and it hasnt got half the stuff this one does...

W2ttsy

melted.marsbar
10th January 2007, 07:59 AM
If Telstra is Australia's main provider of this EDGE network thing, is it possible that Apple will do a partnership with Telstra, like it has done with the US phone company?

tcn33
10th January 2007, 08:02 AM
Let's hope not.

OziMac
10th January 2007, 08:04 AM
Seriously, I couldn't care less even if they had to partner with Telstra - I'd take it and smile if only to get my hands on that phone. :)

tcn33
10th January 2007, 08:12 AM
Sadly, so would I. During the keynote I was mentally calculating how much it would cost me to break my contract and move to whatever provider ends up with the iPhone...

morpheme2004
10th January 2007, 08:14 AM
My two observations about the iPhone


It is only marginally bigger than the current 30 GB iPod, which is absolutely amazing. Great form factor, nice size.
No memory slot of any description is a big problem though. How many movies can you put on 8gb seriously? Would be great to have some kind of SD slot or something (whatever the most recent format is).Love it though, would also gladly join Telstra if that were the case.

MrJesseRoss
10th January 2007, 08:23 AM
The iPod interface on that is incredible... The text-based menu seems to have a nice flow to it, and CoverFlow's built in, so much more attention has been placed on the graphical side of things than the regular iPods. I like the little flippy menu that comes out when the album cover's hit. Great effects.

Ooh, I just realised that CoverFlow's activated when the iPhone's flipped sideways. I want one just for that.

warren21
10th January 2007, 08:24 AM
Well I'm not waiting a year to get this phone. I'm getting rid of my motorola and getting either a NOKIA or a Sony until it's released. By the time it's released here they will have redesigned it, made it smaller and increased it's capacity. Apple had to announce it to please the stock market.

gbuikstra
10th January 2007, 08:26 AM
I never use mobile internet, but email interested me but the data plan costs put me off + the available phones were not that inspiring. This however may change my thoughts on that.

Forgeting about all the internet stuff and who might it work with in Australia, I got to have one because of the phone and ipod combo and of course the most important thing it looks so damn good.

Kuma
10th January 2007, 08:36 AM
They (as Steve said) also had to announce so the FCC wouldnt

When they say Asia I wonder what they mean? I doubt they will try it on in Korea where even iPod sales are ordinary..
Japan on the other hand is much more iPod friendly.. can even buy them in the local 7-11....
given that the phone will have to be heavily modified for it to be availabel here.

Internally it will have to be CDMA 3G. Software will have to shuffle the importance of SMS and Email... Email being the primary method of use..
and introduce interprative Japanese entry (watching teenage girls send email here is something to behold... I should get that down on video).


But it is all good... my contract expires 08 so no breakage required...

lavo
10th January 2007, 08:38 AM
Sweet! I'm out of contract at the end of this year...... :-)

Might have to get a Nokia N800 to play with in the meantime though!

markh
10th January 2007, 08:42 AM
I can see myself getting one :-) The iphone is simply porn

goldcoaster
10th January 2007, 08:48 AM
Is the iphone still a 2g phone? It doesn't seem to have 3g features like video calls etc. Seems a bit strange they stick with older phone technology seeing they are pushing the idea that it is the latest and greatest - especially as it won't be available for a while.

- Goldcoaster (http://goldcoaster.wordpress.com)

markh
10th January 2007, 08:53 AM
3G is pretty crap anyway. Wen back from my 3G service to 2G. Much more reliable.

Kuma
10th January 2007, 09:00 AM
3G rocks when fully implemented like here in Japan... I bought my first 3G phone 5 years ago
and it was a god damn aweful experience... since then it is improved greatly.
but it is neither here nor there because as it stands the iPhone aint 3G...

mechcon
10th January 2007, 09:01 AM
hmmmm since the phone aint 3g and that is the major direction for phone vendors.. we may be lucky that we have to wait for so long for it to be released here. and who knows? perhaps the iphone will be released for hspda or whatever it's called and/or 3g?


I've harked on about it before, and will again, it will flop if it's 2.5g only!

markh
10th January 2007, 09:02 AM
3G rocks when fully implemented like here in Japan... I bought my first 3G phone 5 years ago
and it was a god damn aweful experience... since then it is improved greatly.
but it is neither here nor there because as it stands the iPhone aint 3G...

Yes I know, 3G outside of australia is better, but here, its sucks majorly! :-)

Silver
10th January 2007, 09:09 AM
I've never owned a mobile phone, but next year may be the first year I do.

Exocet
10th January 2007, 09:11 AM
I hate to repeat what I've already posted but people are just asking the same questions over and over again. Hopefully this will give you an industry-perspective of where we stand, and where we may go with the iPhone. Some of it may not make sense as it was directed at another poster, but ignore those parts :)

iPhone: A GSM/GPRS/EDGE capable internet communicator. Speeds detailed below. It is not 3G. "3G" as it is known to Australians refers to 2100MHz 3GSM transmission, with a theoretical speed of 384kbps. HSDPA is a mobile data standard, the speeds available vary depending on implementation. Telstra has implemented HSDPA on their 850MHz 3G network, with current speeds of 550kbps - 1.5mbps, with plans to expand this to 14.4mbps in this year. Optus/Vodafone's 3G network is planning to offer HSDPA services on their 3G2100MHz network, but I am not aware of planned roll-outs, speeds, or network coverage (somebody else fill me in!)

You have a choice of 2.5G carriers, Telstra is the fastest with their EDGE network but they're idiots for offering it at "less than 120kbps". Well, 120kbps is faster than Optus and Vodafone's 38.4kbps GPRS network. Furthermore there's no additional charge for EDGE traffic, its the same cost as standard GPRS.

3G is level across the gamut, 3Telstra and Optafone both offering 384kbps on 3G2100.

Then on top of that Telstra are offering their HSDPA 3G850 network (notice I didn't say NextG, cause I saw earlier that this gets your panties in a twist) with 550kbps - 1.5mbps at this stage, expanding to 14.4mbps (device dependant) this year. I'm trying to figure out how offering faster data services makes Telstra worse.

How does this appy to iPhone? Well, Telstra are closer to Cingular than any other carrier in Australia. They have assisted eachother with the rollouts of each company's 3G850 HSDPA network. The iPhone is released with EDGE - Telstra is the only carrier in Australia to offer edge. Future releases of the iPhone may see 3G850MHz being added to the handset with HSDPA capabilities, making it perfect for showcasing both Telstra's and Cingular's 3G850MHz networks.

You'll no-doubt see an update to the phone to include iTunes and music downloads while on-the-go. Bigpond Mobile Music offers clunky dual-downloads, purchase on your phone then log in and download it on your PC. Wouldn't it be easier to download it on the handset, and then have it syncronise with your Mac/PC when you next plug your iPhone in? Similar effect when you purchase a new track on your Mac/PC and having it sync across. Mobile Content and Carriage charges are the future. Why make your money from a 30c, 30 second voice call when you can have somebody pay $2.99 for a music track which takes up less resources on your network to transfer? Hell you can charge somebody $5 for a true-tone which takes 10 seconds to download.

Of course, mobile carriers have worked hard to fight against systems such as iTunes, and you may see partnerships offering dual-branding of the iTunes stores on mobiles. Think "iTunes Mobile - Provided by Bigpond Music", or "iTunes Mobile - Provided by Cingular Tunecast" or whatever the branding is. I think that the concept of the device is very interesting and although I probably won't get the RevA model (I only bought my HipTop2 at the start of October), I'll be very interested in seeing the developments over the next 12-18 months.

tcn33
10th January 2007, 09:14 AM
I've harked on about it before, and will again, it will flop if it's 2.5g only!

No it won't. The US version is 2.5G only and it will sell millions - hardly a flop.

You forget that the overwhelming majority of mobile phone users are regular joes who could care less about the difference between 2G and 3G, not "power users" like us.

Kuma
10th January 2007, 09:17 AM
No memory slot of any description is a big problem though. How many movies can you put on 8gb seriously? Would be great to have some kind of SD slot or something (whatever the most recent format is).

Dude... it comes with 4gb or 8gb internally...

my 8 month old japanese phone.. reasonably state of the art comes with 70mb internal with 1gb max SD card....

The latest version has 50mb internal and takes all microSD cards...

And given that the largest SD card is currently 8gb at around $400.. how much ext memory are you prepared to buy....

8gb is huge...

Just had a quick look at the iTS most movies there run around 1GB..
how many movies do you want at one time on your iPhone?

morpheme2004
10th January 2007, 09:34 AM
Dude... it comes with 4gb or 8gb internally...

my 8 month old japanese phone.. reasonably state of the art comes with 70mb internal with 1gb max SD card....

The latest version has 50mb internal and takes all microSD cards...

And given that the largest SD card is currently 8gb at around $400.. how much ext memory are you prepared to buy....

8gb is huge...

Just had a quick look at the iTS most movies there run around 1GB..
how many movies do you want at one time on your iPhone?

Ah, this makes more sense now. Thanks Kuma - you've always been helpful (I think I can speak as a veteran on MTAU now ;)). I guess it's just a big jump from 30 gb to 8 gb. But you're right.

MrJesseRoss
10th January 2007, 09:44 AM
With all this discussion of EDGE and so on, I thought I'd just point this out:

(from macworld.com)


iPhone is a quad-band phone that operated on GSM and EDGE networks. That's the most popular international standard, said Jobs, though Apple plans to make 3G phones in the future. It also integrates Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity, and will automatically switch from a cell phone data network to Wi-Fi when it gets in range.

Maybe 3G will be included by the time it reaches Australia.

Kuma
10th January 2007, 09:45 AM
:Dno probs...

oh one other thing... by the time we get it... (whoever we are?) it will probably be 8 or 16gb... (or they will be hawking unsold american units on us... ):rolleyes:

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 09:47 AM
The keynote is up:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/

Appears there is a sim card tray.

Rayd
10th January 2007, 10:00 AM
8hours battery life? who are they trying to sell it to?

marc
10th January 2007, 10:06 AM
1. How can they call it iPhone when they don't have that trademark? Do they want to *invite* lawsuits now?
Who knows who owns what. I'm sure they wouldn't have launched if they didn't have the paperwork to back it up. Yes, I know there's another product with the name. Maybe there's an agreement in place already. Doesn't really matter either way... it's not the name that makes it cool.


2. It's not available even in the USA until June! When did Apple *ever* announce a product 6 months before making it available? Their website says it hasn't been approved by the US FCC yet, I guess that takes a few months. Lots of time for Nokia and the rest to copy bits of it by then unfortunately, though with the patent fence around the touch i/f that will be hard I guess.
There's almost no way they could have announced it the day it was available due to the amount of companies involved (= big leak potential!).

samuelowens
10th January 2007, 10:11 AM
Well, I come off contract in September and am keen to switch over to Telstra due to reception problems with Optus in my house, so if Apple can get an Australian launch together by November, I'll be biting.

Rayd, the battery life specs are up to 5 hours for talk, video and browsing, and 16 hours for audio playback. These do not include time in standby when you're not on a call/not using the device.

Also, don't forget it needs to get an A-tick here too. The reason why they announced it before getting FCC approval is that the FCC publishes lists of approvals, which would have given the big secret away...

Aa
10th January 2007, 10:15 AM
There's so much foccus on the 3G facilities.

I couldn't care less. Just to have a phone that combines iPod, Full OSX facilities and syncing, and a phone is beyond all of my expectations. I can wait for the net browsing.

My peak phone experience with OSX is still my old T610.

lavo
10th January 2007, 10:19 AM
And what's better, is that by the time iPhone arrives in Australia, we should be at rev B or even rev C.

Does anyone know how "open" the OS is on the iPhone? Will third party software run on it?

nicwithsticks
10th January 2007, 10:20 AM
Here's hoping that Apple release an API for the iPhone. Since it's OS X based, that shouldn't be too hard. In fact, I bet by the time it's released in the US Apple will probably have updated XCode for it.

mechcon
10th January 2007, 10:22 AM
by the looks of it, widgets will work like how they do on osx... but that is asking for instability

gurgle
10th January 2007, 10:26 AM
finally theres a phone that has the bright idea to combine multiple sms messages into conversations, like gmail does with email. i've always wanted that!

trust apple

Hamsmyth
10th January 2007, 10:32 AM
I'm almost glad we wont be getting it untill next year.

A. It gives plenty of time to save.

B. It ensures problems will be ironed out and we will have a rev B or C device.

cgollner
10th January 2007, 10:34 AM
Who knows who owns what. I'm sure they wouldn't have launched if they didn't have the paperwork to back it up. Yes, I know there's another product with the name. Maybe there's an agreement in place already. Doesn't really matter either way... it's not the name that makes it cool.


There's almost no way they could have announced it the day it was available due to the amount of companies involved (= big leak potential!).

In this case, you do not need to own the Trade Mark to use it. You do need to be a Registered User of the mark which the TM owner grants. Obviously a deal has been struck somewhere.

Chris

baxter
10th January 2007, 10:45 AM
finally theres a phone that has the bright idea to combine multiple sms messages into conversations, like gmail does with email. i've always wanted that!

trust apple

Palm Treo 750v already has this now :) The bad side is it is Windows Mobile :(

markh
10th January 2007, 10:48 AM
Palm Treo 750v already has this now :) The bad side is it is Windows Mobile :(

Same with one of my older Sony Ericsson mobiles. Had an SMS chat function. Might have been the T610 or k700i...

Kuma
10th January 2007, 10:52 AM
Hmm I know the zune aint a phone.. but lets look at the design...
http://images.apple.com/iphone/images/techhero_osx20070109.jpg
vs
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/zune.jpg

given that they are both wireless... and both are (will be) America only... there is a lot to be said about comparing these...

can I wirelessly send a file from my iPhone to another iPhone/Computer... I bet ya can.

Welcome to the social!! (and there will be more iPhones sold in week 1 than zunes sales in total by June)

samuelowens
10th January 2007, 10:56 AM
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1575410,00.html

dshan
10th January 2007, 11:10 AM
Looking beyond the phone you can assume this is basically what the next iPod will look and work like - an iPhone without the phone, SMS and internet stuff, but with BT, WiFi, Multi-touch i/f, Mac OS X and Dashboard widgets, plus a 80-120GB HD. Now that'll be cool and maybe available sooner than iPhone (at least 'round these parts).

lavo
10th January 2007, 11:13 AM
Welcome to the new Sony :-)

lenman74
10th January 2007, 11:14 AM
We're all forgetting one thing when arguing whether the announced iPhone will work well here: By 2008 the iPhone may be up to rev B (or who knows, rev C or even iPhone 2), which could add/change any number of things, including network compatibility. Maybe Apple will include UMTS for the Asian market.

yes and once on 3G hopefuly iChat and a forward facing camera

macsyd
10th January 2007, 11:35 AM
Apparently the smh web graphics people can't navigate to www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com)

They've come up with this monstrosity to illustrate the iPhone. Should kill off some of the demand from Aus!

Peter Wells
10th January 2007, 11:46 AM
sorry to break this thread but i cant be arsed looking for the macworld 2007 thread. i think apple will never sell osx for pcs, but they will include a bootable osx for ipod. so you can plug your ipod into any dull grey box and use osx with all your prefernces.

i know its a long shot, but by god it'd be good.


so did i get that right? or is it just osx on the phone itself?

smilne360
10th January 2007, 11:51 AM
so how about they take the technology they used to make the controlls on this, put it on a 12" macbook, and call it a tablet :p


but alot of their patents all make sense now.

marc
10th January 2007, 12:09 PM
by the looks of it, widgets will work like how they do on osx... but that is asking for instability
Why be a hater? Even if a widget or application completely craps out on OS X, everything else runs fine. I don't see any reason why the iPhone would be any different.

timwallG5
10th January 2007, 12:15 PM
It's too much of an incentive for theives now isn't it? You'd have to keep it in a T-shirt pocket it'd be such an attraction to pickpockets...

(like the mobile phone I had stolen, which has put me off mobiles in general)

iRyan21
10th January 2007, 12:18 PM
There's a nice photo gallery here: http://www.engadget.com/photos/first-iphone-pics/

bolle
10th January 2007, 12:52 PM
i wasn't quite sure about this phone looking at pictures, but i just saw it in action from a news package at work, and it looks fricken awesome.

The scrolling through itunes using the touchscreen looks interesting, and so is the song selection thingo where the cover art flips over and all the songs are listed on the back of it. I'm a sucker for a bit of eye candy ;-)

Edit: woo. it's getting a 1:20 package on the news tonight in perth. Not even the zune got that

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 01:16 PM
If it is only out in June in the US I don't think it is impossible we'll be recieving the '1G' iPod.

markh
10th January 2007, 02:04 PM
The thing that interests me from looking at the pictures at engadget like this
http://www.engadget.com/gallery/first-iphone-pics/130225/ and here http://www.engadget.com/gallery/first-iphone-pics/130246/

1) Is the battery inbuilt like the iPods, or replacabl elike a normal mobile
2) Is the slot on the side for the SIM card or is it an SD media card slot

ppops
10th January 2007, 02:11 PM
The thing that interests me from looking at the pictures at engadget like this
http://www.engadget.com/gallery/first-iphone-pics/130225/ and here http://www.engadget.com/gallery/first-iphone-pics/130246/

1) Is the battery inbuilt like the iPods, or replacabl elike a normal mobile
2) Is the slot on the side for the SIM card or is it an SD media card slot

No replacable battery.
No removable media. The slot must be for the sim card.

OziMac
10th January 2007, 02:50 PM
That's not a slot on the side - it's the volume control. The SIM tray is in the phone, so either there must be some way to access it (by removing the back / battery) or its a locked Cingular SIM (I really really hope it's not the latter).

tcn33
10th January 2007, 03:07 PM
There's a SIM tray accessible on the top, IIRC.

Yeah, during the keynote Steve says: "let's take a look at the top. A headset jack, 3.5mm, SIM tray, and a sleep-wake switch. "

g4cube
10th January 2007, 03:55 PM
Looks good like everyone i want one for sure.

lavo
10th January 2007, 04:06 PM
What I thought was interesting was the demo Steve did. Most of the demo was done on screen with a mockup (virtual) iPhone. It would have been hard to see with the camera, but I'm guessing the 6 month wait might also be because the phone is not entirely ready for prime time.

BTW, how did they do the mobile phone call? I thought that if a transmitting device like the iPhone didn't have FCC certification, it was illegal to use it?

Lezbo007
10th January 2007, 04:15 PM
I thinks it's a great product but I have some concerns.


Touch screen mmmm dirty screen.

NO 3G! you cant say your 5 years ahead of anyone if your not using 3G. More like 3 years behind with no 3G. Hope they have a revision of this.

Cant record video?? just take pictures? so thats no video calls video msg's , again no 3G

When he sent that picture he emails it? can it sent via MMSG?

Low capacity for something that has video. Fine for songs but not video.

PRICE!!! Its like gonna be around $600 here for the 4GB version with a 2 year contract. I used to work selling Mobiles phones and on 2 year contracts you usually give away a $600 phone as it will be paid in the contract. So the iphone will cost in real money terms around $1200 I guess or close to, thats just for the 4gb.

I hope it can be bought outright.

So I think its a great product, it just shows no matter how good a product is nothings perfect.
Im sure it will be perfect for some but not for me.

Kudo's for Apple for having a real shot at the mobile market though.

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 04:18 PM
I think they did mention 3G for the future.

OziMac
10th January 2007, 04:20 PM
I don't get why people are so het up about 3G - my experience of 3G is that it's a lame middle-ground that allows the current telcos to further delay 4G or true VoIP over WiMax (which the iPhone is primed for) while maintaining their revenue streams.

Also, I checked the photos here (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2370) - no SIM tray accessible from the top/outside. It must be somewhere behind the case / battery.

Febs
10th January 2007, 04:40 PM
I can't believe more people haven't mentioned it, but the size of this thing is what REALLY amazes me.

I've never been a fan of Smartphones. Forgetting the fact that many of them are buggy as hell, they're (for the most part) extremely bulky. iMates, Blackberry's, XDAs, Atoms...all far too chunky for my likings.

I think what they've done with the size is amazing - 1cm thick, 11cm tall (my Sony K750i, a pretty small phone, is 10cm tall) and 6cm thick!

Well done Apple. Can't wait to play with one. :) I'll let the Australian early-adopters jump in and buy them from eBay, and if the reports are good, I'll considering buying one when I go to the US later this year. I'm sure there'll be some way to get around the contract issue. :)


My peak phone experience with OSX is still my old T610.

Ahhh, I loved my T610. Still use it as my spare. It wasn't until I found the K750i that I even considered replacing it. :)

Cheers,
- Febs.

nez
10th January 2007, 05:00 PM
yawn. It's high on cool factor but the function rating is a bit meh. The thing only has 8 gig! I've got 25 gig of music / podcasts/ vidcasts on my 30 gig ipod. So if I get one..I have to carry it and my normal ipod around? Kinda defeats the purpose of having an ipod and phone combo...and yes, before anyone asks, I like having all of it available to me at once.

I'll wait for the second generation one with more hdd.

lavo
10th January 2007, 05:07 PM
After watching the demos, I soooo want one! Even without third party stuff, it almost does everything I want (other than iChat video).

Awesome!

iSlave
10th January 2007, 05:10 PM
I imagined iPhone would be more an adaption of the current market products. This thing is a beast. I hope my Moto V3 flip flop lasts till 2008.

STK
10th January 2007, 05:14 PM
It was just on Channle Nine :) Looks great!

Kirium
10th January 2007, 06:33 PM
I'm pretty impressed, but not wetting my pants like so many others around the world.

I like the idea of phone and iPod in one. I don't like the idea of it being locked to a single provider, and if that's Telstra (due to edge) I won't be buying one unless they drastically reduce their voice and data costs.

Stand-by battery life isn't mentioned anywhere, so I'm guessing it's not real crash-hot right now. I'm also guessing the phone will wake from sleep automatically on receiving a call/sms/email?? It looks slick, and the touch interface is brilliant. Remains to be seen how scratch-resistant the face is (hope they learnt from the 1g Nano), and if it resists fingerprints to any degree.

The free push email from Yahoo! is cool, and a surprising move from Apple to collaborate with Yahoo! and have that feature on the same device as Google Maps(Eric Schmidt being a board member too). I would have thought it would've been a perfect opportunity to make GMail official (non-beta) and provide IMAP email push in GMail down to the iPhone.

I like it, but it's going to be at least 12-24 months before we see it here, and if that's only with Telstra at their exorbitant voice and data rates, they can have it.

macsyd
10th January 2007, 06:37 PM
I was wary before the launch, saying that I just cant see how Apple can make an 'iPhone' that would stand out from the crowd, with a killer app or feature that would make me want to buy (other than for the sake of its coolness factor).

Im now of the opinion it will be a great success, but I dont think Ill ever buy. I still use my phone as a phone these days and not much more. The only feature that would be remotely useful to me (beyond a gimmick) is push email. And Apple seems to be aiming this at consumers, not corporates with its Yahoo tie in. So Blackberry is still the only option there.

lavo
10th January 2007, 07:17 PM
I'm pretty impressed, but not wetting my pants like so many others around the world.

<snip>

The free push email from Yahoo! is cool, and a surprising move from Apple to collaborate with Yahoo! and have that feature on the same device as Google Maps(Eric Schmidt being a board member too). I would have thought it would've been a perfect opportunity to make GMail official (non-beta) and provide IMAP email push in GMail down to the iPhone.

I like it, but it's going to be at least 12-24 months before we see it here, and if that's only with Telstra at their exorbitant voice and data rates, they can have it.

Maybe Google didn't want an IMAP client as such on the phone. Or, more importantly, they didn't want to seem to be directly tied in with Apple. Having both Mail and Maps on the iPhone may send out the wrong signal to other potential partners, or just doesn't fit in to where Google wants to go in the future. I think Google have always have had a certain amount of pride in being platform independent.

The more I watch footage of the phone, I love it. The more I think who is going to be the provider in Australia, I'm thinking I'm going to need an extra job to pay for the data bills :-)

What I think the most interesting phase of the iPhone will be its Japanese introduction. The competition will be a lot hotter there than the US and Europe, especially now that the Japanese manufacturers have a whole year to improve their products.

bolle
10th January 2007, 07:46 PM
is it possible it might come out a little earlier than scheduled in europe and asia? The intel rollout was well in front of schedule... or is this a totally different scenario?

djjeffree
10th January 2007, 08:08 PM
Hats off to Apple for finally stepping in and showing the rest of the world how a phone should be designed. The shortcomings of all the rest of the smart phones, blackberrys, pdas etc. are their inability to synchronise with your desktop and ultimately become a seamless extension of your desktop. Only Apple and an OSX driven phone understand how this works and this will be the main difference which will reinvent how phones work in the same way the ipod did for portable music players. Sure it lacks some features like limited storage, inability to record video, non 3G, and low mega pixel camera to name a few but these can all be fixed in later versions. What they do have is a phone that has a much more advanced operating system which is a great model to improve on.

Jeffree.

stefanlod
10th January 2007, 08:16 PM
One thing I'm going to point out that it seems we've lost track of is Cocoa. What's so special about cocoa? Well, this is what will make the iPhone amazing. Sometime during the first quarter of the year, I expect, an Xcode update will allow you to write apps for the iPhone. This means a world of opportunities - games, word processors, things we haven't imagined yet! So maybe we'll have MSN for iPhone, Office (or at least OO.o), Quinn, pzizz, DASHBOARD WIDGETS - all optimised for the iPhone. Look at the home screen: it was designed to be filled with heaps of cool apps. Let's see how this unfolds in time!

BTW I don't specifically mean those apps - they're EXAMPLES

mwot
10th January 2007, 08:20 PM
Bugger waiting another year for this. I'm moving continents, so I'll let you know what the flavour's like. Oh, sorry. That'd be "flavor", without the u ... :P

Kuma
10th January 2007, 08:20 PM
I have just been watching the keynote...
Im 99% sure the phone is running Leopard.
It mentions core animation.. ->Leopard

Safari looks different (black themed)....

I am also now absolutly convinced that Japan wont get it... (although I have to check what softbank are using) so then will they strip the phone out of it and sell it as a ipod/pda?

Wheels
10th January 2007, 08:23 PM
This site feels today almost as if Apple have released a new product - crazy I know, I'm just getting a few hints here and there.

Christ people get excited ay!

iGOOSE
10th January 2007, 08:32 PM
Having just viewed the latest Keynote I have to say that the iPhone is lush and if money was no object then I would be first in line.

But let's face it, it's way out of most users league - except of course high end business users with money to burn...

The sooner Apple Inc. releases a cut down, mass market version the better (say a combined iPhone and iPod only). Then and only then, will they reach their predicted 1% market share (and more) by the end of 2008.

Apple sure has reinvented the phone but they just need scale it back a tad to give it the same chance of success as the iPod.

dolbinau
10th January 2007, 09:30 PM
is it possible it might come out a little earlier than scheduled in europe and asia? The intel rollout was well in front of schedule... or is this a totally different scenario?

I'm wondering the same myself, What if the approval for the phone is much quicker then expected (assuming that is a major reason for the delay) - In any case I guess it could also take longer.

I'm hoping to pick one up on eBay unlocked, brand new ASAP :).

Kuma
10th January 2007, 09:38 PM
So I thought I would try and bring it together here...
The phone runs OSX - As I stated above after watching the keynote Im sure we were watching Leopard in action.

Over in iUnderwhelmed it was questioned about iChat....

I can see no reason why iChat wouldn't couldn't be included...
Apple seem to have twisted Cingulars arm quite a bit to get a lot from Cingular... They have broken many rules that other mobile phone manufacturers havent dared tried to do...

There is no reason why you couldn't hold an IM over a mobile network.. just sending packets back and forth...

many Japanese phones now have an IM capacity and make money from it...

outside a wireless area cingular get to reap the rewards via packet downloads... (you pay for the bits you send and recieve) (see user pays as discussed by myself, Brains and RTC in a completely different thread :D )

Another question raised is it is for powerusers... I disagree... (although it might be from an upfront cost point of view)...

this phone brings real features to ordinary people that they are likely to use...

email on the go
sms (well almost everyone uses that anyway)
calendar
contacts
phone
camera
ipod

surfing the net (in what appeared a reasonably comfortable way is just a bonus)

this phone is kick arse....

as Steve pointed out in the keynote people often buy 2 things an iPod and a phone... now you can just buy 1...

For many people this would also satisfactorily replace a notebook...

I know it will for me.. for what I use my notebook for now.. since I bought my iMac... the iPhone has everything I need...


as for buying one from America and bringing it back here... and inserting your SIM card...

some of the functions of the iPhone have been specifically catered for by cingular (at this time)... so you might? be able to use it... but things like voicemail wont work...

adam89
10th January 2007, 09:55 PM
Kuma: i definately agree with you, I remember my old imate jam had MSN messenger on it and i used to use it through GPRS with zero problems :)

Aa
10th January 2007, 10:07 PM
One thing I'm going to point out that it seems we've lost track of is Cocoa. What's so special about cocoa? Well, this is what will make the iPhone amazing. Sometime during the first quarter of the year, I expect, an Xcode update will allow you to write apps for the iPhone. This means a world of opportunities ...
BTW I don't specifically mean those apps - they're EXAMPLES

Exactly. He points in that direction a couple of times clearly in the keynote.

For 4gb AU$640 and 8gb AU$768 , that is one stupidly good device.

and i mean STUPIDLY good.

queraxus
10th January 2007, 10:11 PM
some of the functions of the iPhone have been specifically catered for by cingular (at this time)... so you might? be able to use it... but things like voicemail wont work...


I give it two weeks following release that a patch allowing it to be used on any network is released. The demand for that will be strong.

Kuma
10th January 2007, 10:15 PM
and then along comes a firmware upgrade that corrects it....

lavo
10th January 2007, 10:56 PM
I actually like the comment made in this article towards the end, by Jeff Shell (Number 6):

http://apcmag.com/4963/ten_things_to_love_about_the_new_iphone

Makes a lot of sense, and somewhat explains how fantastic this phone can be.

Also, I read some other article from the APC site explaining why EDGE is used over faster networks (something to do with EDGE comaptible processors being a lot faster than 3g).

BTW, I think some smart cookie will work out a way to wirelessly sync via a web page :-) Or it will be one of those features that requires a dotmac account?

OziMac
10th January 2007, 11:24 PM
I'm thinking all those rumours about a second phone-like device might bear fruit soon too - perhaps there will be an 'iPhone nano', which contains only phone and maybe (much smaller) iPod functionality, but which is unlocked and will provide for push-iChat messaging or a Skype/VoIP client.

That would definitely be great, hopefully distinctive enough from the iPhone itself... but perhaps it a pipe dream. :)

Kuma
10th January 2007, 11:39 PM
Oh the other Leopard clue... Notes... the phone has Notes... (part of Leopards Mail).

OziMac
11th January 2007, 01:15 AM
Also - am I the only one who misses Apple's old 'product introduction' videos, with Schiller, 'Jony' Ive and certain celebrities gushing about the features and design of new products?

I haven't seen one of those since the iMac G5 - as far as I can recall, there was one for the original iMac, iMac G4, iMac G5, Powermac G5, Cube, white iBook, Powerbook G4 (Titanium and 17/12 Aluminium), iLife 05, iTMS, Panther and Airport Extreme (sort of) and the iPod - I really think something as 'revolutionary' as the iPhone deserved one...

Kuma
11th January 2007, 04:49 AM
Also - am I the only one who misses Apple's old 'product introduction' videos, with Schiller, 'Jony' Ive and certain celebrities gushing about the features and design of new products?

I haven't seen one of those since the iMac G5 - as far as I can recall, there was one for the original iMac, iMac G4, iMac G5, Powermac G5, Cube, white iBook, Powerbook G4 (Titanium and 17/12 Aluminium), iLife 05, iTMS, Panther and Airport Extreme (sort of) and the iPod - I really think something as 'revolutionary' as the iPhone deserved one...

Absobloodylutly.
I was really hoping that something like that would come out!!

They are brilliant.. (introduced me to some good music too:D )

here is Nightlines piece talking about it

WxSqBeYCuOc

Exocet
11th January 2007, 05:46 AM
Also - am I the only one who misses Apple's old 'product introduction' videos, with Schiller, 'Jony' Ive and certain celebrities gushing about the features and design of new products?

I haven't seen one of those since the iMac G5 - as far as I can recall, there was one for the original iMac, iMac G4, iMac G5, Powermac G5, Cube, white iBook, Powerbook G4 (Titanium and 17/12 Aluminium), iLife 05, iTMS, Panther and Airport Extreme (sort of) and the iPod - I really think something as 'revolutionary' as the iPhone deserved one...
Ives: "We set out not to be so much...evolutionary as...revolutionary. We wanted to design a solution that seemed so simple, so...perfect...that when it was finished and you looked back upon it, it seemed the only logical result"

Schiller: "And what really sets this phone apart from others, is that Apple is the only mobile phone company that makes both the hardware, and the softwa...wait...I think I'll have to come up with something different for this one"

Celebrity: "I want to take one home now, give me your prototype, you're not getting this back and damn all those kids of today!"

Schiller: "iLife SCREAMS on the iPhone's processor...*tapped on shoulder*...oh right, no iLife here...SHIT, couldn't you guys have warned me? Now I've gotta go write another script and start over. I knew we shouldn't have made this damn phone, now I look like a damn idiot"

Ahh, Apple product intros - so predictable, so fun.

Brains
11th January 2007, 05:47 AM
Meh.

The iPhone is too much too soon, too slow and too late. By the time the do become available here in Australia, the competition will have most of the features in their own phones, and with a wider range of supported options.

I can see a deluxe version of the iPod coming out with the iPhone touch interface (its sole redeeming feature) ... iPhone without the phone.


B.

marc
11th January 2007, 08:07 AM
By the time the do become available here in Australia, the competition will have most of the features in their own phones
I don't want the most features you can pack into a device, I want something that's easy and fun to use. Case in point: iPod and other players. Other players look better on paper, but they suck.

My phone already does most of what the iPhone does... makes calls, has an address book, syncs with my mac, camera, basic email, sms, runs java apps (even 3d games!), plays music, but the difference between my SEv600i and the iPhone is night and day.

OziMac
11th January 2007, 08:10 AM
It's all patented Brain - like the scroll wheel, no other company will be able to use an of the iPhone's defining technologies, like Multi-Touch, the proxmity sensors or or other aspects of the user interface.

Exocet - didn't we have this discussion before back here (http://forums.mactalk.com.au/showthread.php?t=16498&page=2)? We're still waiting I guess... :)

Hamsmyth
11th January 2007, 08:10 AM
I can't wait to see the packaging.

markh
11th January 2007, 08:16 AM
I watched the keynote lastnight, and after seeing it in action. I WANT ONE NOW!!!

You can bet when it comes to australia, and if hel$tra is the sole carrier, we'll have to bend over and take it for the pricing they'll charge...

Exocet
11th January 2007, 09:05 AM
Telstra have already demonstrated that they're willing to do all-you-can-eat data plans for specific devices. I have a HipTop II (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick) and I pay $30/month for unlimited SMS, MMS, Email, Web Browsing and MSN Messenger traffic. I then pay a specific rate for calls. Telstra also offer a $40/month unlimited Blackberry plan, which gives you unlimited email and browsing, then you've got your calls and SMS on top of that (But you have the advantage of being able to choose which plan you want, unlike Hiptop).

I think the plan for the iPhone will be specific to the iPhone and rather competitive.

mancuso
11th January 2007, 09:18 AM
Has Apple mentioned which Teleco will prevoide plan/contracts with this phone?

The Architect.mac
11th January 2007, 09:22 AM
exclusive cingular deal (not MVNO) for the release, then who know after that...

ialienam
11th January 2007, 09:29 AM
it's a phone after all, and that's apple targeting...ppl wouldn't buy it just for music features..
3G, i believe over 80% ppl on this board wouldn't need it..
How many times u see ppl on street do video-talking? how many of you actually browsing internet on a phone?? would you actually watch a 2 hrs movie on a 3.5 inch screen??
It all comes down to basic features - TALKING and SMS.
where 99% people will just simply want to buy a phone, and put in whatever SIM we want.

BUT, I thin what Mac doing is great...They go for smartphone market first, as ppl in this segment would spend big $$ for something special, and I think iphone could easily beat the hell out of most current smartphones..1% is do-able..

but if Mac wants something bigger, they will have something like iPhone-shuffle perhaps..Just give me sleek design, ipod and basic phone features in one device..at a reasonable price.. Bang.. that's where we talk about majority of this market.

dolbinau
11th January 2007, 09:30 AM
Assuming it will be somehow unlocked, available on eBay and we can use it in Australia. Can someone answer me the following question :) (I'm not expert)

* Is EDGE an alternative for GPRS? What exactly would I be missing out on if it was possible to use another carrier in Australia that doesn't support it?

The Architect.mac
11th January 2007, 09:39 AM
dolbinau - assuming all your prior things to work, i think excocet pointed out Telstra have EDGE across 99% of their network, its just a standard better than GPRS that has a slightly quicker speed... You wouldnt be missing anything except slight speed reduction by using GPRS only carrier as far as I can tell at this early stage, well no visual voicemail either as that is cingular exclusive...

tcn33
11th January 2007, 09:49 AM
Well, it will be interesting to see if Apple or Cingular patented random-access voicemail - if not, I'm guessing it will be the industry standard by the time iPhone comes here.

wazandy
11th January 2007, 09:50 AM
I think we can safely predict that the touchscreen technology will be making its way to MacBook Pro within the next year or so.

Imagine - a simple tablet with all the MacBook features and a touchscreen keyboard.

lavo
11th January 2007, 09:50 AM
Telstra have already demonstrated that they're willing to do all-you-can-eat data plans for specific devices. I have a HipTop II (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick) and I pay $30/month for unlimited SMS, MMS, Email, Web Browsing and MSN Messenger traffic. I then pay a specific rate for calls. Telstra also offer a $40/month unlimited Blackberry plan, which gives you unlimited email and browsing, then you've got your calls and SMS on top of that (But you have the advantage of being able to choose which plan you want, unlike Hiptop).

I think the plan for the iPhone will be specific to the iPhone and rather competitive.

I think that's quite reasonable rates. I don't actually call much these days, but still pay $40/mth with Optus (never again). I was going to go Hiptop or Blackberry when my prison sentence with Optus finishes at the end of the year, but if Telstra have a good data plan with the iPhone like the HipTop, I'll wait.

mechcon
11th January 2007, 10:11 AM
LOL :D

taken from http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/10/D8MIN3LO0.html

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.

And three weeks ago, Cisco's Linksys division put the trademark to use, releasing an Internet-enabled phone called "iPhone" that uses the increasingly popular Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.

On Tuesday, Apple unveiled the iPhone, its "game-changing" touch- screen-controlled cell phone device that plays music, surfs the Web and delivers voicemail and e-mail.

"Cisco entered into negotiations with Apple in good faith after Apple repeatedly asked permission to use Cisco's iPhone name," said Mark Chandler, Cisco senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission."

Cisco is seeking injunctive relief to prevent Apple from copying Cisco's iPhone trademark.

"Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand," Chandler added.

didn't take long

Bart Smastard
11th January 2007, 10:15 AM
I'm sure Cisco's lawyers were ready to pounce and proabably had all the paperwork filled out just waiting to see what Apple did.

The Architect.mac
11th January 2007, 10:18 AM
they are all trying to cash off apple creating the 'ithing' so i reckon they should have taken whatever apple would have given them cash wise and realised that the whole world calls apple phone the iPhone and no one cares about Cisco's silly line of white VOIP phones...

Exocet
11th January 2007, 10:24 AM
Upon re-reading my last post, it doesn't make much sense.
Hiptop:
You are are locked into a single plan, which is specific to the HipTop. It is the only plan available for the device, and it cannot be used for any other devices. You pay $30/month for your SMS/MMS/EMail/Web/MSN. You then pay 30c/30 seconds for your voice calls, plus flagfall. There are no capped-plans, or any other options available. Essentially if you buy a HipTop phone you must use this voice plan.

Blackberry:
You pay $40/month for your unlimited email and web traffic. It is more expensive than the hiptop, but you have the advantage of choosing your own voice plan. If you an $80 voice plan is cheapest for you, you can use that. If a $39 capped plan is best suited to you, you can use that. You don't get unlimited SMS and MMS, but you do get cheaper voice rates.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that in circumstances where the devices do not lend themselves to ordinary charging, or where the 'killer app' on the device is likely to become prohibitively expensive by charging ordinary rates, Telstra (And other Telcos) have been shown to implement special once-off tarrifs/plans for them.

Brains
11th January 2007, 10:29 AM
mech beat me to it :)

OziMac
11th January 2007, 10:36 AM
Given the lengths Apple has gone to protect their intellectual property in the iPhone, I don't think they would be rebuffing any necessary trade mark licences with Cisco for use of the iPhone mark unless they had a pretty solid basis for arguing that their use of the iPhone mark existed in a separate class to Cisco's iPhone (certainly a possibility, I'm not aware of the different classes of marks in the US).

However, if there is any ambiguity and there is a failure to reach an agreement, Cisco has to sue to protect its own use of the mark or it may lose it - and it may turn out that each party is limited to using the mark in relation to certain non-competing products, or that they reach some sort of Beatles-like settlement. Interesting times. :)

Brains
11th January 2007, 10:42 AM
BTW, contrary to (some) opinion, the iPhony doesn't use an Intel chip, but a Power. Intel still don't have anything suitablely low-power enough, and according to my friend in CoreOS, they're still working with two platforms, Intel x86 and POWER-class RISC. IBM do have a POWER CPU that's more than suitable for use in low-power devices such as the iPhony.

Reuters even fills in a few blanks (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=technology&storyid=nFAB012644&from=business) for us too by saying "Intel and Apple have both denied that Intel is the supplier and the spokesman for Apple Germany has withdrawn an earlier statement saying it was."


B.

graemie
11th January 2007, 10:48 AM
Interestingly, Apple holds the trademark for 'iPhone' in Australia and the UK...

dolbinau
11th January 2007, 10:50 AM
Can you use GPRS on this phone if need be? or EDGE-only?

Brains
11th January 2007, 10:52 AM
At the moment, no GPRS.

As phones go, it's actually very behind the times. But then, the whole cellular industry in the USA is behind the rest of the world in many ways.

Yes, it looks teh sex. Yes, it simply REEKS of Jobsian personal reality distortion. Yes it has an AMAZING interface, thanks to the French multi-touch patents and the fact it runs a cut-down version of OSX 10.5.

Suck points:
- GSM and GSM + EDGE only (aka 2.5G) which means less than stellar connectivity and coverage here
- MINIMUM 12 MONTH release date -- most likely longer -- for Australia (as we're part of "Asia") for it to gain global roam and approval by our stodgy standards people
- closed architecture, at least for the immediate future
- average to poor battery life, and no exchangable battery
- non-standard (by phone industry standards) main processor and OS, so "unlocking" will be difficult, and both Apple and their chosen provider (which won't be Telstra, because they're already in bed with Redmond) willl fight tooth claw & nail to keep it locked

Don't think of this as a phone with a media player, but a media player that has a phone as an afterthought. I wouldn't buy one (not that that says much ;))


Brains

godsdice
11th January 2007, 10:54 AM
would like to see all the aplications like picture ediding does it take video..? nothing mentioned about MMS ony txt ? any office applications like a word processor ? spreadsheet ? presentation software...? lots of ifs but cant wait till aussie telcos provide support for it..

Exocet
11th January 2007, 10:56 AM
EDGE is not available everywhere in the US either I believe. Therefore where it cannot find an EDGE network it rolls back to GPRS. Where it cannot find GPRS it gives the option for a circuit-switched GSM connection (read: slow and expensive).

Brains
11th January 2007, 11:11 AM
does it take video..?
Yes.

nothing mentioned about MMS ony txt ?
Correct, no MMS.

any office applications like a word processor?
No. It has Notes, as part of Mail ... think of it as a glorified TextEdit or NotePad.

spreadsheet?
No.

presentation software?
No.

... cant wait till aussie telcos provide support for it..

At least another year, minimum, before we see them here. And by then we should see a rev 2.0 release, which HOPEFULLY will be better suited to the international market. A year is a long time, don't forget that. And then, of course, the competition will be snapping at Apple Inc's heels in the meantime.


Brains

markh
11th January 2007, 11:12 AM
I don't see why people are so wanting it to have 3G. At the present, 3G is pretty crap in aus. Not to mention the less than steller battery life on 3G handsets. I'd take 2.5G over 3G here anyway until things improve out of sight.

tcn33
11th January 2007, 11:20 AM
I use a fair amount of mobile data so I'd prefer 3G for the increased speed - it wouldn't be a deal-breaker by any means though.

yinyang
11th January 2007, 11:24 AM
Meh.

The iPhone is too much too soon, too slow and too late. By the time the do become available here in Australia, the competition will have most of the features in their own phones, and with a wider range of supported options.

I can see a deluxe version of the iPod coming out with the iPhone touch interface (its sole redeeming feature) ... iPhone without the phone.


B.

i think if the competition were able to put some of the UI features onto their phones in the next 6 months (for the US) then that would be a pretty admirable achievement - given how secretly Apple work, and how much R&D woiuld have gone into this, and all the patents sitting behind it, none of the big 5 phone manufacturers are going to find it easy to duplicate some of these features.

and what are they going to run it on....a Vista mobile OS??? lol!!

from what i've seen (only just got back yesterday, so i'm catching up a bit!) the UI on the iPhone looks amazing, and I'm curious as to how this gets carried over to the main Mac platform, whether the desktops or laptops.

and how many people have i heard today say that they would consider switching just because of the iPhone....! :)

mechcon
11th January 2007, 11:37 AM
well there are rumors that a 3g iphone is in the works (in co-op with the fcc) but its a rumor :P

zillatron
11th January 2007, 11:42 AM
well there are rumors that a 3g iphone is in the works (in co-op with the fcc) but its a rumor :P

Steve mentioned that 3G and 'other great stuff' is coming...so I wouldnt worry too much!

This is only the start, you can be sure of that...:thumbup:

Z

tcn33
11th January 2007, 11:42 AM
It's not a rumor. Steve said it in the keynote.

Also, no manufacturer works "in cooperation with" the FCC - the Federal Communications Commission in the US is the government body which issues approval for the device to be used.

nbetts
11th January 2007, 11:50 AM
*sigh* this is kinda like putting the Xmas tree out in June with presents under it!!

Exocet
11th January 2007, 11:51 AM
Suck points:
- GSM and GSM + EDGE only (aka 2.5G) which means less than stellar connectivity and coverage here
- MINIMUM 12 MONTH release date -- most likely longer -- for Australia (as we're part of "Asia") for it to gain global roam and approval by our stodgy standards people
- closed architecture, at least for the immediate future
- average to poor battery life, and no exchangable battery
- non-standard (by phone industry standards) main processor and OS, so "unlocking" will be difficult, and both Apple and their chosen provider (which won't be Telstra, because they're already in bed with Redmond) willl fight tooth claw & nail to keep it locked

Don't think of this as a phone with a media player, but a media player that has a phone as an afterthought. I wouldn't buy one (not that that says much ;))

Brains, I'm confused. EDGE is a bolt-on enhancement to the GPRS network and therefore I'm astounded that the iPhone would be the first phone ever in the world to have EDGE support with no roll-back to GPRS. Also, what examples do you have that Telstra Mobiles are in cahoots with Redmond? You need to remember that Telstra as a corporate entity is broken into several subsidiaries. While Bigpond and Microsoft may be lovey-dovey, the same doesn't necessarily ring true for Telstra Mobiles. Separate business units, separate goals.

I feel Apple will take the iPhone to whichever carrier can provide the greatest support for it and provide the fullest end-user experience. If the device is EDGE-only as you say (which I'm still disputing), then it would be pointless to market the device in Australia if not with Telstra. No GPRS means the device would have to run on GSM CSD - a blistering 9.6kbps. Apple won't bring the device here if the carriers won't allow customer's to use it at full speed.

To the same ends here, if Apple are clearly in bed with Cingular as they are I can say with almost 99% certainty that their next iPhone will be 3G850MHz, and HSDPA compatible (aka 'NextG'). It may also be 3G 2100MHz capable ('3', 'Telstra 3G' and Optafone's 3G network). Now, for the same reasons as mentioned before Apple will want to sell the device to customers of the carrier who can provide the fastest speeds. If they've got a phone which is 3G850, Telstra is the only carrier in Australia who can provide them with the speeds they want.

Brains
11th January 2007, 12:29 PM
You under-estimate the emnity that still remains between Steve and Bill. Telstra and MS are trying their own version of ITMS, still continually balk at providing OSX support at any level. Optus have a long history of working smoothly with Apple, so I put my money on Optus being the primary carrier for the iPhony extended services when it arrives.

But, as I mentioned, we won't see it here for at least twelve months, by which time the phone side of things will be more up to date and better suited to the international market.

A year is a looooong time. Longer than loooongcat :)


B.

dolbinau
11th January 2007, 01:04 PM
http://consumerist.com/consumer/iphone/cingular-confirms-iphone-will-require-2-year-contract-227684.php

Bad news if we are hoping to buy it off eBay upon release.

Exocet
11th January 2007, 01:21 PM
You under-estimate the emnity that still remains between Steve and Bill. Telstra and MS are trying their own version of ITMS, still continually balk at providing OSX support at any level. Optus have a long history of working smoothly with Apple, so I put my money on Optus being the primary carrier for the iPhony extended services when it arrives.
B.
I guess we're just going to agree to disagree, but with my own bias intact I feel I've provided better reasons for the inclusion of Telstra as the carrier than you've stated for them not to be the carrier.

tcn33
11th January 2007, 01:28 PM
http://consumerist.com/consumer/iphone/cingular-confirms-iphone-will-require-2-year-contract-227684.php

Bad news if we are hoping to buy it off eBay upon release.

Yeah, even if this weren't the case I'm betting it will be network-locked to Cingular. I would be surprised if anyone manages to get one working here prior to the official release.

thebag
11th January 2007, 01:29 PM
You under-estimate the emnity that still remains between Steve and Bill. Telstra and MS are trying their own version of ITMS, still continually balk at providing OSX support at any level. Optus have a long history of working smoothly with Apple, so I put my money on Optus being the primary carrier for the iPhony extended services when it arrives.

But, as I mentioned, we won't see it here for at least twelve months, by which time the phone side of things will be more up to date and better suited to the international market.

A year is a looooong time. Longer than loooongcat :)


B.

Hey Brains,

After reading the thread on the dangers of WiFi, I would have thought you wouldn't have cared less when this device came out.

Why is a year a long time.

Lezbo007
11th January 2007, 01:39 PM
I don't see why people are so wanting it to have 3G. At the present, 3G is pretty crap in aus. Not to mention the less than steller battery life on 3G handsets. I'd take 2.5G over 3G here anyway until things improve out of sight.

I have been using 3G for nearly 3 years.
It works FINE!! I do video calls a video msgs all the time and I have been watching the Ashes Cricket on my phone when im not at home, all with out any problems.
How cool is that!!
Also battery life is fine on my new phone is as good as if not better then Apple claims anyway.

If you want to go back to the dark ages fine. Some of us would like to move foward though.

Lezbo007
11th January 2007, 01:45 PM
You under-estimate the emnity that still remains between Steve and Bill. Telstra and MS are trying their own version of ITMS, still continually balk at providing OSX support at any level. Optus have a long history of working smoothly with Apple, so I put my money on Optus being the primary carrier for the iPhony extended services when it arrives.

But, as I mentioned, we won't see it here for at least twelve months, by which time the phone side of things will be more up to date and better suited to the international market.

A year is a looooong time. Longer than loooongcat :)


B.

Apple will go with Australias biggest carrier. The one that has the most users (who ever that is i guess its Telstra). Thats why they they are with Cingular, They have the most customers in the US.
Its Simple

Kuma
11th January 2007, 01:53 PM
Im with Brains on the carrier issue...
Telstra are in bed with Redmond at so many levels... I doubt they are going to do any favours for telstra...

Remember Cingular had to break all the rules for a traditional phone company so that Apple could do what they want. Apple's point of view... if you want our phone on your network you will do it ourway...

And the Aust market is such a small % of the global market that Im sure Apple dont care which provider they go with here.

Brains
11th January 2007, 02:04 PM
After reading the thread on the dangers of WiFi, I would have thought you wouldn't have cared less when this device came out.

I'm allergic to wireless and consider it a health risk for some people, it doesn't mean I loathe hate despise and want to kill anyone with a wireless doodad ... I actually think the tech is rather naff :)


B.

macsyd
11th January 2007, 03:39 PM
Apple will go with Australias biggest carrier. The one that has the most users (who ever that is i guess its Telstra). Thats why they they are with Cingular, They have the most customers in the US.
Its Simple

I'm sure there was alot more to it than that! And dont forget Cingular is the GSM network in the US, the others I believe are CDMA.

Perhaps, given that there are large players in mobile telephony (outside of the US, of course) with networks that span Europe and beyond including Aus and parts of Asia, it would be clever to have an arrangement with someone like Vodafone, with networks everywhere. Would simplify things a fair bit. And within Asia maybe team up with the likes of SingTel (and their subsidiary Optus).

This would overcome the issues of setting up deals with small networks in many small countries.

Of course, they can pick and choose in the big markets like Japan. But in places like Europe, it would be much easier to choose a single provider with network across the whole continent.

spilla
11th January 2007, 03:51 PM
I'm sure there was alot more to it than that! And dont forget Cingular is the GSM network in the US, the others I believe are CDMA.

T-Mobile is also GSM, so they could have gone with them, but seeing as how Cingular had partnered with Apple for the ROKR and other iTunes enabled phones, Cingular would seem the most suitable. Verizon is CDMA, and I believe Sprint/Nextel is CDMA with a mix of other technologies, so getting the iPhone to work on their networks would have required extra hardware.

The Architect.mac
11th January 2007, 04:08 PM
Belkin are ready...

http://www.belkin.com/ipod/iphone/

grorr76
11th January 2007, 04:17 PM
I wouldnt be suprised if apple release a version 2 of the phone here. To me the announncment feel like the one itv had last sept and now itv or apple tv is far more featured and finished. My other bet is that there will be other iphone models come out, and a new ipod with that interface. I wouldnt rite this off untill the actual working production models are out in the market place. Either way I wouldnt get one as I just hate the idea people could email me on that thing. One needs some peace sometime. Its real target is the traveling buisness man , who drives flies. I could see it been extremely usefull to such a person.

lavo
11th January 2007, 04:40 PM
Im with Brains on the carrier issue...
Telstra are in bed with Redmond at so many levels... I doubt they are going to do any favours for telstra...

Remember Cingular had to break all the rules for a traditional phone company so that Apple could do what they want. Apple's point of view... if you want our phone on your network you will do it ourway...

And the Aust market is such a small % of the global market that Im sure Apple dont care which provider they go with here.

The last part is the scariest. Apple might just throw their hands in the air and say "bugger it" if its too hard to deal with a telco here. Seeing as Australia is a flysh&t on the total market revenue for Apple, there is a really good chance 1 year wait may skip to 2......3......I'm still waiting for iPhoto book ordering :-)

Some part of me thinks that by the time the iPhone does come out here, the competition may have caught up. Not completely, but enough the dampen the success prospects of the iPhone in Australia. RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft aren't going to get pushed around in their own backyard by some Californian fruit company who thinks everyone else's phone sucks ;-)

Exocet
11th January 2007, 04:41 PM
Verizon is CDMA, and I believe Sprint/Nextel is CDMA with a mix of other technologies, so getting the iPhone to work on their networks would have required extra hardware.

And a per-unit licensing fee to Qualcomm for the use of their network architecture. GSM is an open standard, thusly cheaper!

spilla
11th January 2007, 04:49 PM
And a per-unit licensing fee to Qualcomm for the use of their network architecture. GSM is an open standard, thusly cheaper!

How much per-unit are the licensing fees? It would probably only be like $5-$10, right?

Exocet
11th January 2007, 05:25 PM
Clearly expensive enough for Nokia and Qualcomm to take each other to court (http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/04/20/77592_HNpatentsquabble_1.html) over it.

burchill
11th January 2007, 10:09 PM
Tuesday's iPhone announcement should be sen as an exclusively for a US audience.

In Australia Telstra has a 3.5G network virtually rolled out. Vodafone and Optus have begun rolling their 3.5G networks out. By the end of 2007 3.5 G will be standard in Australia and carriers will be planning 4G systems. It would make absolutely NO sense for Apple to release a 2.5G phone in Australia in 2008. By then it will be a very old and most likely a redundant technology (making web browsing very slow and painful). If US iPhones are locked to Cingular there will be little point buying them in the US for operation here before then either. The ONLY iPhone Apple will release in Australia in 2008 will be one updated to 3G at a minimum (the 850 band gives them a 3.5G option).

Their immediate concen will be Western Europe where 3G is pretty standard and 2.5G seen as a dinosaur. In Japan, they wouldn't sell one phone even if it worked on their networks.

Would still love to have one, if not for its phone functions.

Kuma
11th January 2007, 10:36 PM
That particular iPhone... yes that is only for America.. and by that we are talking about the 2.5g GSM guts of it...
The iPhone of 2008 will be rev'd in some ways... but the concept of what we saw is what Aust will get (maybe)

tcn33
12th January 2007, 07:59 AM
By the end of 2007 3.5 G will be standard in Australia

I beg to differ. The percentage of mobile users on 3G (not even 3.5G - just plain vanilla 3G) will still be significantly less than 50% by year's end. Hardly "standard".

The Architect.mac
12th January 2007, 09:04 AM
I feel people are focusing too much on the 3G aspect, from my point of view - video calling aint that great and the speed is nothin really that impressive...

Look at what Steve said - widescreen iPod, Phone and Internet Comms Device...

The reason it has WiFi - this is how most people will use its email and internet features..

We all still need a primary mac but now many of us don't need a secondary portable, we can check email and surf net in comfort of couch in our WiFi homes and in our WiFi workplaces...

Besides they will make 3G phones and other cool stuff in the future...

dolbinau
12th January 2007, 09:07 AM
How will the internet speed to be crippled? I was under the impression it only works via Wi-Fi.

Do you really think Apple will have a second revision, 3G phone 6 months after they release the original in the US?

tcn33
12th January 2007, 09:31 AM
Do you really think Apple will have a second revision, 3G phone 6 months after they release the original in the US?

They will pretty much have to if they want to market the iPhone in Japan, so yes.

uncyherb
12th January 2007, 09:40 AM
I've got a 3G Nokia N70 and really, I've made use of the 3G capabilities about 5 times in the last 12 months....

Give me an iPhone and I'll do more with it than i do with an N70.

It's classic Apple... don't worry about a million bells and whistles, worry about doing the things that people will actually want to use, and do it so that they can use it without 47 key presses just to get to read an SMS.

zillatron
12th January 2007, 09:40 AM
[quote=dolbinau;242666]How will the internet speed to be crippled? I was under the impression it only works via Wi-Fi. /quote]

Internet access would work on gprs/edge and wi-fi - SJ said iPhone would pick fastest available.

Presumably if you walked into range of your home wi-fi or a free hot-spot it would switch automatically. Assuming also that you have it setup to talk to say....a hot-spot in the airport lounge, it would switch to that when you were in range.

:thumbup:
Z

Kuma
12th January 2007, 09:42 AM
Up close and personal
YgW7or1TuFk&eurl

zillatron
12th January 2007, 09:43 AM
It's classic Apple... don't worry about a million bells and whistles, worry about doing the things that people will actually want to use, and do it so that they can use it without 47 key presses just to get to read an SMS.

And that is exactly why it's a 'game changer'.

Z

Domenic
12th January 2007, 09:52 AM
Don't get me wrong, i would LOVE to have one of these, but i would probably wait until the second version (like the second generation of iPod... or something like that...) with a lower price and stuff. Yeah.

I remember when the iPod first came out, and all the criticism Apple recieved. Well look what it became! It's very likely the same thing will happen to the iPhone.

Exocet
12th January 2007, 09:59 AM
How will the internet speed to be crippled? I was under the impression it only works via Wi-Fi.

Do you really think Apple will have a second revision, 3G phone 6 months after they release the original in the US?
Apple making brand new products obsolete just weeks after their release? They wouldn't do that would they? Would they!?

nez
12th January 2007, 12:44 PM
piss the phone functionality off. Give me a 30gig touchscreen widescreen ipod please..and not in 2008.

Disko
12th January 2007, 12:47 PM
http://smashmyiphone.com/

"Total amount raised so far: $1"

zillatron
12th January 2007, 12:53 PM
"Total amount raised so far: $1"

HAHAHAH gee i'm shocked! ;)

Z

meinrosebud
12th January 2007, 03:43 PM
Looks nice but until I can get my finger prints on one I will withhold my judgement! 3 will be in on it dudes so no one can afford the account to use it effectively!!! (Well me anyway)

Brains
12th January 2007, 03:52 PM
Apple making brand new products obsolete just weeks after their release? They wouldn't do that would they? Would they!?

Sure they would -- they've done it several times in the past. I think there's at least two models of Mac that remained on the price-lists for two months before dropping off & being replaced with a newer model.


Brains

Hamsmyth
12th January 2007, 04:48 PM
Up close and personal
YgW7or1TuFk&eurl

Does anyone else only see a white box?

Brains
12th January 2007, 05:46 PM
Yup, and I get an alert saying I'm missing additional plugins.

It must be Flash based stuff, I don't bother with Flash.

burchill
12th January 2007, 06:05 PM
[QUOTE I beg to differ. The percentage of mobile users on 3G (not even 3.5G - just plain vanilla 3G) will still be significantly less than 50% by year's end. Hardly "standard".]

It's the carriers that run the mobile phone business, not the phone manufacturers. Apple will keep their 2.5G phone for the US but if they want to do deals with European and Australian carriers, they will need a 3G version pronto. Telstra, Optus and Vodafone won't plug or market a phone which runs on technology that in 2008 they are phasing out and pushing their existing customers off. They have too much invested in the 3G and 3.5G rollouts.

Apple made a good choice with WiFi. Why on earth Nokia think their US customers will prefer an E62 over an E61 (same phone but with WiFi) is beyond me. Then again, this is another example of the power of the carriers in the US who are very worried about WiFi mobiles using Skype and thus losing revenue.

Many will buy the iPhone just for the iPod in it, but to bring it within thge price range of mass consumers, they will need carrier subsidies/contracts everywhere.

Kuma
12th January 2007, 06:14 PM
Does anyone else only see a white box?

YouTube is down....
that is why there is a whitebox....
when it comes back you can see the vid.

lavo
12th January 2007, 06:21 PM
Yup, and I get an alert saying I'm missing additional plugins.

It must be Flash based stuff, I don't bother with Flash.

Or the content has been pulled off YouTube, or wherever else it was linked.

Kuma
12th January 2007, 06:22 PM
Or the content has been pulled off YouTube, or wherever else it was linked.

youtube is down....

Brains
12th January 2007, 06:37 PM
Ahhhh ... well in that case I'll never see it, as youtube is blocked here at the router level :)


B.

Rodney9
12th January 2007, 07:35 PM
STATE OF THE ART: Apple Waves Its Wand at the Phone

Remember the fairy godmother in "Cinderella"? She'd wave her wand and turn some homely and utilitarian object, like a pumpkin or a mouse, into something glamorous and amazing, like a carriage or fully accessorized coachman.
Evidently, she lives in some back room at Apple.
Every time Steve Jobs spies some hopelessly ugly, complex machine that cries out for the Apple touch - computers, say, or music players - he lets her out.

At the annual Macworld Expo in San Francisco, Mr. Jobs demonstrated the latest result of godmother wand-waving. He granted the wishes of millions of Apple followers and rumormongers by turning the ordinary cellphone into ... the iPhone.

At the moment, the iPhone is in an advanced prototype stage, which I was allowed to play with for only an hour; the finished product won't be available in the United States until June, or in Europe until the fourth quarter. So this column is a preview, not a review.

Already, though, one thing is clear: the name iPhone may be doing Apple a disservice. This machine is so packed with possibilities that the cellphone may actually be the least interesting part.

As Mr. Jobs pointed out in his keynote presentation, the iPhone is at least three products merged into one: a phone, a wide-screen iPod and a wireless, touch-screen Internet communicator. That helps to explain its price: $499 or $599 (with four or eight gigabytes of storage).

As you'd expect of Apple, the iPhone is gorgeous. Its face is shiny black, rimmed by mirror-finish stainless steel. The back is textured aluminum, interrupted only by the lens of a two-megapixel camera and a mirrored Apple logo. The phone is slightly taller and wider than a Palm Treo, but much thinner (4.5 by 2.4 by 0.46 inches).

You won't complain about too many buttons on this phone; it comes very close to having none at all. The front is dominated by a touch screen (320 by 480 pixels) operated by finger alone. The only physical buttons, in fact, are volume up/down, ringer on/off (hurrah!), sleep/wake and, beneath the screen, a Home button.

The iPhone's beauty alone would be enough to prompt certain members of the iPod cult to dig for their credit cards. But its Mac OS X-based software makes it not so much a smartphone as something out of "Minority Report."

Take the iPod features, for example. As on any iPod, scrolling through lists of songs and albums is a blast - but there's no scroll wheel. Instead, you flick your finger on the glass to send the list scrolling freely, according to the speed of your flick. The scrolling spins slowly to a stop, as though by its own inertia. The effect is both spectacular and practical, because as the scrolling slows, you can see where you are before flicking again if necessary.

The same flicking lets you flip through photos or album covers as though they're on a 3-D rack. All of this - photos, music collection, address book, podcasts, videos and so on - are synched to the iPhone from Apple's iTunes software running on a Mac or Windows PC, courtesy of the charging/synching dock that is included.

Movies are especially satisfying on this iPod. That's partly because of the wide-screen orientation, and partly because the screen is so much bigger (3.5 inches) and sharper (160 pixels per inch) than those on other iPods.

The iPhone can get onto the Internet in two ways: using Wi-Fi, at least when you're in the presence of a wireless hot spot, or using Cingular's disappointingly slow Edge network.

That's right: the iPhone's exclusive carrier will be Cingular. (Nor is the phone "unlocked"; you can't use it with any other carrier.) At least it's a quad-band G.S.M. phone, so it will work overseas.

You can also conduct text-message conversations that appear as a continuous chat thread. And like any smartphone, the iPhone can download e-mail from standard accounts at regular intervals. In fact, Yahoo will offer free "push" e-mail - that is, messages will arrive on the iPhone in real time, just as on a corporate BlackBerry.

The iPhone is not, however, a BlackBerry killer. The absence of a physical keyboard makes it versatile, but also makes typing tedious.

Instead of raised alphabet keys, you get virtual keys on the screen. They're fairly small, and of course you can't feel them. So typing is slow going, especially for the fat of finger.

Fortunately, you don't have to be especially precise. Even if you hit the wrong "keys" accidentally, the super-smart software considers adjacent keys - and corrects your typos automatically. If what you actually managed to type is "wrclme," the software proposes "welcome." You tap the Space bar to accept the fix. It works beautifully.

The real magic, however, awaits when you browse the Web. You get to see the entire Web page on the iPhone's screen, although with tiny type. To enlarge it, you can double-tap any spot; then you drag your finger to scroll in any direction.

Alternatively, you can use a brand-new feature that Apple calls multitouch: you slide your thumb and forefinger together (like pinching) or apart on the glass. As you do so, the Web page before you grows or shrinks in real time, as though it's printed on a sheet of latex. It works with photos, too, and it's wicked cool.

All of this is cooked up with Apple's traditional secret sauce of simplicity, intelligence and whimsy. It's these ingredients, not the features themselves, that inspire such technolust in Applephiles.

For example, voice mail messages appear in a list, like an e-mail in-box; you can listen to them in any order. A proximity sensor turns off the touch screen when the phone is up to your ear, saving power and avoiding accidental touches. The screen image rotates when you turn the phone to see, for example, a landscape-orientation photo. A light sensor brightens the screen in bright light. Finger smudges and streaks are inevitable, but are visible only when the screen is turned off. (They disappear with a wipe on your sleeve.)

The speaker is on the bottom edge, rather than the back, where it would be muffled when the phone is set down. The optional tiny Bluetooth wireless earpiece has its own little charging hole in the iPhone's charging/synching dock - and it snaps in magnetically for convenience. Apple says that this earpiece "pairs" with the iPhone automatically, sparing you the usual ritual of pressing buttons in a baffling sequence.

Nonetheless, the iPhone won't be the smartphone for everybody. You may well consider the Cingular exclusivity or the price a deal-breaker. You may also be disappointed that the iPhone can't open Microsoft Office documents, as the Treo can (although Apple says it can open PDF documents), or wonder why it's not a 3G cellphone that can exploit higher-speed, next-generation cellular towers as they arrive in the coming years. And you may worry about putting all your digital eggs into one losable, droppable, glass-front basket.

Note, too, that the software is still unfinished, and many questions are still unanswered. Will you be able to turn your own songs into ring tones? Will there be a voice recorder? Will the camera record video? Can you use Skype to make free Internet calls? Will the battery really last for five hours of talking, video and Web browsing (or 16 hours of audio playback)? Will you someday be able to buy songs and videos from the iTunes Store right on the phone?

At this point, Apple doesn't yet have the answers, or isn't revealing them.

What it does have, however, is a real shot at redefining the cellphone. How many millions of people are, at this moment, carrying around both an iPod and a cellphone? How many would love to carry a single combo device that imposes no feature or design penalties? Considering that the cellphone is many people's most personal gadget, how many would leap at the chance to replace their current awkward models with something with the class, the looks and the effortlessness of an iPod?

Apple has done its part: it has packed more features into less space, and with more elegance, than anyone before it. The rest is up to the godmother.


This week's Pogue's Posts blog.

Visit David Pogue on the Web at

DavidPogue.com.

graemie
13th January 2007, 07:14 AM
Those crazy Amazonian Germans... Check it out (http://amazon.de/s/ref=nb_ss_w/303-2551952-9409069?__mk_de_DE=%C5M%C5Z%D5%D1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=iphone&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go).

STK
13th January 2007, 09:04 AM
Lol allways amazon :P

mwot
13th January 2007, 09:54 AM
OT: is there a way you can save the Keynote to your HDD for use on iPod video??

The Architect.mac
13th January 2007, 09:56 AM
mwot - the iTunes Store video podcast of Macworld 2007 - 1.2GB

OziMac
13th January 2007, 10:44 AM
Anyone else struggling to download the Keynote video podcast? I've tried several times and only get about 380MB odd before iTunes decides its finished... ?

nez
13th January 2007, 10:52 AM
I managed to grab all 1.5 gig of it last night.

aswitcher
13th January 2007, 10:54 AM
Got mine last night fine.

mwot
13th January 2007, 12:10 PM
mine has another 9mins to go.

btw, thanks to The Architect.mac :)

MactrixAUS
13th January 2007, 12:26 PM
This is awesome. Defiantly a breakthrough in phone technology. Puts those Blackberry and what not to shame.

Kuma
13th January 2007, 02:12 PM
How will the internet speed to be crippled? I was under the impression it only works via Wi-Fi.

Do you really think Apple will have a second revision, 3G phone 6 months after they release the original in the US?

Oh just one little point... he said 2008.... That could mean Dec.. so that would be 18 months....

I doubt it will be January....

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OziMac
13th January 2007, 02:53 PM
This is seriously crummy - three attempts and iTunes keeps deciding the download is finished well before it is. I can't believe I'm the only one with this problem... damn.

Kuma - keep in mind also that we were promised movies on iTS in '2007' too... so that will be interesting to see released too. :)

Kuma
13th January 2007, 02:59 PM
Well 07 has just begun...

no joy here in Japan with TV or Movies.. (which i think is odd given that it would be mostly local content anyway that Apple would want to host)

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tcn33
13th January 2007, 03:02 PM
Telstra, Optus and Vodafone won't plug or market a phone which runs on technology that in 2008 they are phasing out and pushing their existing customers off. They have too much invested in the 3G and 3.5G rollouts.

That is completely untrue. If that were the case, why would the companies you mention continue to add new 2G handsets at roughly four times the rate of 3G handsets? And where do you get the idea they plan to "phase out" the 2G network? There are two capital cities without any 3G service whatsoever from any carrier, much less complete 3G coverage nationwide.

Any carrier will jump at the chance to sell the iPhone, even if it is 2G.

Exocet
13th January 2007, 03:06 PM
Actually NextG provides nation-wide 3G coverage but we'll keep that on to ourselves ;)

Kuma
13th January 2007, 03:06 PM
That is completely untrue. If that were the case, why would the companies you mention continue to add new 2G handsets at roughly four times the rate of 3G handsets? And where do you get the idea they plan to "phase out" the 2G network? There are two capital cities without any 3G service whatsoever from any carrier, much less complete 3G coverage nationwide.

Any carrier will jump at the chance to sell the iPhone, even if it is 2G.

Yep...
Japans 2G network is still pretty much intact... I havent heard anything about it being shutdown...
and we (err Japan) has had 3G since the end of 01

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spilla
13th January 2007, 04:46 PM
This is seriously crummy - three attempts and iTunes keeps deciding the download is finished well before it is. I can't believe I'm the only one with this problem... damn.

Nope, you're not alone. I haven't tried downloading the keynote yet, but when I was trying to download the free TV shows off the US store, the downloads kept stopping in random places. Sometimes it would be 20mb, while the next would be 200mb. I gave up in the end. It happens with movie trailers too. :(

lavo
14th January 2007, 10:06 AM
Teehee, here are the future uses of the iPhone:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/13/nbc-and-npr-feature-iphone-humor/

tintinaujapon
14th January 2007, 10:26 AM
Thank Architect.mac for pointing out the podcast!

I got it last night without a hitch. The video quality is superb.

forgie
14th January 2007, 12:21 PM
What I wonder is: where does this leave the hard disk iPods? Will there be a thicker, larger, non-phone, hard-disk touch-screen iPod that goes for a bit cheaper? Who is going to want to buy an iPod right now? Will Apple lower prices on the seemingly obscelete 5.5G iPods?

Kuma
14th January 2007, 02:08 PM
Teehee, here are the future uses of the iPhone:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/13/nbc-and-npr-feature-iphone-humor/

Yeah I saw that.. didnt find it that funny





What I wonder is: where does this leave the hard disk iPods? Will there be a thicker, larger, non-phone, hard-disk touch-screen iPod that goes for a bit cheaper? Who is going to want to buy an iPod right now? Will Apple lower prices on the seemingly obscelete 5.5G iPods?

I have been wondering the same thing...

My 5G iPod is feeling a bit ill (symptoms occured 2 days after warranty expiration - still works.. occassionally just completely shuts down.. cant be restarted unless docked or power - and no the battery is not going flat) but that is by the by

I will be looking at replacing it very shortly... so what am I'm going to do?

Definitely not going to buy 5.5G. Regardless of price

Steve wants 1% of the global market by the end of 08... he has to release the phone in Japan (10% of the global market) But the iPhone will have to be modified for the local market (somehow) unless it is prepared to be a niche phone. (The reason Vodafone failed here was because it started to push more international standard handsets)

Which brings us to the HD based iPods...

They will probably be thicker to allow for the HD
To have a groovy touch screen interface - will it run the same OSX as the iPhone?
If so then it really ceases to be an "iPod" but starts to become an "iTablet Nano"

If you strip out all the wireless features people will be :confused: & :mad:
But nowhere does it say that the iPod is just a music player.
It already holds my contacts, photos and my calendar

So will the next 6G iPods be iPhone - phone. If the phone is be subsidised through the 2Y contract then we can expect 6G iPods not to be cheap (another reason not to be cheap is that it would cannibalise iPhone sales and you can almost bet your life that Apple want you to buy the iPhone before you buy the iPod.

The smaller HD based version will probably be 80GB and $599US.... (I am of course blindly speculating)

It can be safely assumed that the iPods will have to be rev'd before 08 which means that for the non US consumer it will be our first taste of the new UI.. so while in America they get all buzzed about iPhone for the rest of us it will be about the iPod. But then once I have bought such a cool iPod... why do I need to buy the iPhone 6 - 12 months later??/:confused:

I really don't

Of course all this blind speculating could be completely off mark and just be consuming bits on the MacTalk servers for no real reason other than it leaves me 4 off the mark.:D

Kuma
14th January 2007, 03:24 PM
This is Pogue's Latest Q&A on it
I bolded the ones I thought important...


It also looks like you will be able to tell if a girl is using the iPhone (ie her thumb and index finger will have short nails). :D

Just got back home tonight after my week in San Francisco, and found ANOTHER several dozen questions about the iPhone waiting on this blog’s comments area!

I promise that this blog isn’t going to become “all iPhone, all the time”–but I’ve read through your comments and compiled this second list of Q’s and A’s.

First, though, a clarification on my earlier post…

“Will the browser offer Flash and Java?” –In my previous blog post, I said “No” (you’ll see why in a moment). But several of you have pointed out an interview published in the German magazine MacWelt, in which the browser IS said to offer Flash and Java.

So I’ve asked John Markoff, who audio-recorded our interview with Steve Jobs, to play back the relevant exchange for me. Here it is:

——
Markoff: “What about all those plugins that live within Safari now, like Flash or like Java or like JavaScript?”

Jobs: “Well, JavaScript’s built into the Phone. Sure.”

Markoff: “And what are you thinking about Flash and Java?”

Jobs: “Java’s not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain.”

Markoff: “Flash?”

Jobs: “Well, you might see that.”

Markoff: “What about YouTube–”

Jobs: “Yeah, YouTube—of course. But you don’t need to have Flash for YouTube.”
——-

So the DEFINITIVE answer now is: NO Java, MAYBE Flash.

Going on:

“Will we be able to assign ipod-playable songs to ringtones?” –John Markoff asked this during our interview, and Mr. Jobs said it’s not been decided yet.

“How does the iPhone charge?” –It comes with a white charging/syncing dock, just like an iPod.

“Also, are you SURE about the games? All the iPods run those special iPod games; wouldn’t you expect them to run those at least?” –Ooh, that’s a fantastic point. I explored the iPhone rather thoroughly during my time with it, and never saw any games. But it sure sounds logical that you’d at least get everything you get with a regular iPod!

“Another thing: what is the of OS X version? Is it close to Leopard, a mobile-Leopard?” –No. It’s not the entire Mac OS X, either, and of course the interface has been redesigned for phone use.

“The CALENDAR program, does it accept input on the phone, or is it just a dumb viewer of synced data from your mac, like the ipod is?” –Calendar program isn’t finished yet, but I did see an “add new event” icon on the placeholder graphic.

“Is there any wireless (Bluetooth or Wifi) syncing at all, for contacts and calendar?” –No.

“Is the SETTINGS menu working as of now, and what are some of the settings that you saw in there?” –Yes, it’s working! Some of the options I remember were: backlight timer; “show touch feedback” (a little dot appears on the screen every time you tap); airplane mode; ringtone. There were many pages of settings, though.

“How was call quality? Was this not available for testing?” –Yes, it was working fine. I called home with it. Sounded loud and clear, although this means nothing at this point. Apple doesn’t even have FCC approval yet, and have many months of fine-tuning and fiddling left to do. Also, of course, your call quality will depend on how far you are from the cell tower.

“How about going to Google spreadsheets and docs to open Word documents and spreadsheets?” –Should work, in theory!

“Can the pinch gesture be used on Web pages?” –Yes! Also on email! So weird, but cool–I could zoom in and out on an entire email message: embedded photo, text, and all.

“Are both text and images both (almost) infinitely resizable with the pinch gesture?” –No. The smallest size is “fit the whole thing on the screen.” The largest seems to be, I don’t know, 4X or 8X actual size.

“So there are no speed dial keys??” –That one’s been bothering me, too. Even according to the demo at apple.com/iphone, it seems as though to dial, starting from the Home screen, you have to tap the Phone icon, then the keypad icon OR the phonebook icon, THEN tap someone’s name. I can’t believe Apple would design something that requires so many steps. Surely they’ve got a quicker method up their sleeve…

“Or is it that the email will not sync?” –The email doesn’t sync with anything. It sends and receives email from the Internet.

“Will the built-in sensors replace the need of the Nike sports kit for tracking running data?” –You’re kidding me, right?

“Is there going to be a security logon, so that if it is stolen that it is essentially useless for non-hacker thieves?” –I didn’t see it, but since that’s standard on iPods, I would imagine that it’ll be there.

“Will any songs downloaded to the phone itself be able to be used as ringtones?” –Apple says it hasn’t decided.

“Will the iPhone work without a SIM card installed? i.e., will it be able to surf the web/email?” –Very doubtful.

“Is the speakerphone any good?” –Yes, very good (for a cellphone).

“Didn’t steve demo a feature where Google maps knew where the phone was? Wouldn’t that require GPS?” –No, he didn’t. (Yes, it would.)

“Will the iPod FM radio work ?” –I’d guess yes, but don’t know for sure.

“Do I HAVE to use Cingular?” –ARRRRRGGGHHH!

“Can the iPhone be used as a modem for a MacBook?” –If the answer were yes, Apple surely would have touted that feature.

“Will it support disk mode like ipods?” –I’m guessing yes. (I do have a call in to Apple for all these “I’m guessing” answers, but it seems they’ve been a little busy recently…)

“Can you use it with an existing Cingular account, or will Cingular have a special iPhone group of plans with special features like the priority voice mail, etc?” –Cingular hasn’t yet determined service pricing.

“You referred to the screen as being a ‘glass surface.’ Was it a figure of speech or is it really made out of glass?” –Figure of speech. It’s the same polycarbonate that’s used for iPod screens, although apparently the coating has been substantially improved.

“Does the screen scratch easily?” –See above.

“Do you really think Apple’s just going to sit on it and not work on improving it for the next half-year? Give it time.” –Could not agree more!

“Will the iPhone touch surface work if you’re wearing gloves? Be unpleasant to use the phone in the dead of winter otherwise.” –No, it responds ONLY to skin touch. I couldn’t use my fingernail, for example. And you certainly can’t use a stylus. (On the other hand, I doubt there’s ANY smartphone you can operate with gloves on.)

“If it doesn’t sync with Outlook, does that mean it will not be compatible with Windows OS?” –No, it’s definitely Windows-compatible, in that it syncs with iTunes. (Music, photos, videos, etc.)

“Was there discussion of the CPU type?” –Mr. Jobs would not say what the processor is.

“Can you use it with iPod headphones - that is a bud in each ear? Or is it a single bud like other phones?” — It comes with stereo earbuds with a microphone/switch on the cord, and any iPod-compatible earphones work.

“How did they get OS X on a 4mb phone?” –It’s four GIGABYTES, not megabytes. And it’s not the whole Mac OS X.

“No 3G is almost a deal breaker. EDGE is horrible for a device this advanced…how did that get overlooked?” –It wasn’t overlooked. 3G (HSDPA) is available only in a few cities. Apple says that when it’s more prevalent, the company will upgrade the iPhone.

“Any word on whether the keypad will be available in the horizontal screen mode allowing larger keys, albeit a smaller text window?” –That orientation wasn’t available in the prototype; Apple hasn’t decided whether or not to add the landscape keyboard layout. (Also, interestingly: rotating the iPhone to change the screen orientation only works counterclockwise–and only, as Mr. Jobs said, “When it makes sense.” That is, not all programs rotate.)

“I think it’s a bit backwards and disappointing for Apple to introduce a product that requires MORE visual attention than most phones, and which has no tactile means of operation.” –I agree. At this early date, I think the phone may be the weakest part of the iPhone.

“How bright was the screen?” –Very.

“Is the virtual keyboard at least as quick and easy to use as entering text with a regular cellphone’s number keys?” –I’d say it’s a wash. The “virtual” keys make it slower than a BlackBerry, but at least you have the whole alphabet; you don’t have to press the 1 key three times to get the letter C, or whatever.

“Why is everyone missing the fact that this phone/device will seamlessly switch between Edge and Wi-Fi saving big $$$ on data rates?” –Because nobody bothers to post about what they LIKE. If Internetters can’t say something disparaging, they say nothing at all


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OziMac
14th January 2007, 04:24 PM
I'm thinking that, unfortunately, the widescreen iPod with touch control embodied in the iPhone will be a differentiating factor that Apple will trade on for some time - so bringing those features to the iPod itself might take at least a few months after the iPhone is released (maybe September, maybe Macworld 2008).

In other words, the long wait for the wide touchscreen iPod (and iTS movies) continues. Again, just my 2c.

lavo
14th January 2007, 05:48 PM
@Kuma

Can't please everyone, I guess :-)

@Everyone

The more I read about the iPhone, the more I wish the Newton was never cancelled.


“Why is everyone missing the fact that this phone/device will seamlessly switch between Edge and Wi-Fi saving big $$$ on data rates?” –Because nobody bothers to post about what they LIKE. If Internetters can’t say something disparaging, they say nothing at all

Interesting comment from Pogue. But, I feel we will have another device that shows so much promise, but will be hobbled. That would be one reason why people are posting negatives. Consumers are sick of being led up the garden path. The more interesting aspect will be in seeing how Nokia and Microsoft respond. I have a feeling the virtual buttons versus hardware buttons is going to be the battleground between the phones. As Pogue said, the phone part looks like it is the weakest part of the iPhone (go figure!). This is where Nokia will have a go at Apple.

Apple will still sell truckloads, no doubt!

Brains
14th January 2007, 05:52 PM
Just been conversing with one of my contacts inside One Infinite Loop, and he's divulged a rather crucial tidbit.

Allegedly, the iPhone will not be capable of making VoIP / Skype calls, as part of the partnership deal with Cingular. The iPhone's built-in mic is only available to the phone circuitry, and not available to the OS.

If true (and this lad's always been right in the past) then this adds another large dose of fail to the iPhone.


B.

forgie
14th January 2007, 06:44 PM
How out of place did the southern drawl from the Cingular guy sound? It definitely seemed like if it weren't for the money aspect of the deal, he wouldn't want anything to do with companies like Apple....

The partnership with Cingular was unfortunately necessary to get the whole visual voicemail thing to happen - something that the phone networks would naturally resist, since VV will obviously mean you don't have to spend as many $$$ wading through voicemail due to the antiquated linear nature of todays Voicemail systems.

Don't some new Nokia phones (coming out this year) have the ability to seamlessly run Voip over wi-fi? Apple are going to be in a bit of a shit sandwich if they can't follow suit. I guess they'll just have to wait out the 2 year agreement until they can fully unlock the iPhone's potential.

zbaron
14th January 2007, 07:18 PM
Don't some new Nokia phones (coming out this year) have the ability to seamlessly run Voip over wi-fi? Apple are going to be in a bit of a shit sandwich if they can't follow suit. I guess they'll just have to wait out the 2 year agreement until they can fully unlock the iPhone's potential.

It's an indication of the power of the mobile phone carriers in the US. They do get to control many of the features that go into, or are enabled on the phones that will connect to their networks. Witness the Nokia E62, which is an E61 with the WiFi removed and other phones that have their bluetooth features disabled to disallow people to bypass the carrier when loading ringtones and applications.

Here's hoping that the international version of the iPhone gets some more features unlocked. I have an E61 and at home it connects to my wireless network and makes SIP VoIP calls.

Kuma
15th January 2007, 07:23 AM
Just a side note iPhone colour icons are available from Apple (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/iphonecolorsiconset.html)

what you will do with them who knows

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tintinaujapon
15th January 2007, 07:10 PM
A great article (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/4DD0941D-9097-4FAE-A3BB-29DA5CA07199.html) dispelling some of the mud being chucked at the iPhone.

MactrixAUS
15th January 2007, 07:13 PM
Just a side note iPhone colour icons are available from Apple (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/iphonecolorsiconset.html)

what you will do with them who knows

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Nice one, just downloaded the pack:o