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Danamania
13th August 2006, 12:50 AM
Ok, this is a blunt & simple poll :). How far apart are your kernel panics, on average? Do you see them regularly enough to have memorised the text, or have you forgotten what one looks like? Are they an annoyance for you, or do you have to go google to find what one is cos you've never seen one? (They look something like http://www.danamania.com/temp/kernelpanic.jpg btw)

Dana

sunrisesister
13th August 2006, 12:54 AM
never, ever had one :)

ClockWork
13th August 2006, 01:01 AM
Watched my customers have plenty - usually because they have some strange no-name brand Flash Drive permanently stuck in one of the USB Ports.

PS: I'm very cynical as you know, but... are you really a genetically engineered super-dinosaur crime fighter? And can other people become one too?

CW

Mutters
13th August 2006, 01:20 AM
Had one with a G3 iBook that lost it when upgrading to Panther. The only way I could recover it was to put it in FireWire mode - waddaya call it? - from my G4 iBook - and then quietly freak when the G4 reckoned it was the G3!! after installation. You know, like someone elses cheesy iTunes and iPhoto library taking over MY com-freaking-puter!

The re-boot was very much fraught with anxiety.

But then the G3 booted with Tiger and seems very usable.

toholio
13th August 2006, 01:25 AM
I only tend to get kernel panics when I'm doing something stupid while developing with libusb. Can't really blame it on the operating system. :)

If you're getting kernel panics fortnightly (the poll suggests someone is) then there is something really, truly, wrong with your machine or something connected to it.

dev_enter
13th August 2006, 02:58 AM
I've only ever had one on my machine, caused by a (brand new) DVD which couldn't be properly read. Had it replaced and it worked fine from then on.

Hamster
13th August 2006, 05:15 AM
I have valium installed directly in the system bus. My Mac has never panicked about a single thing in its life!

:-D

step_andy
13th August 2006, 07:11 AM
Haven't had one on my new MBP and on intel iMac.
However, G4 400 is another story. At one stage I had Powerlogix upgrade card which was giving a KP every day or so.
I had it upgraded to 1.2 Ghz Sonnet and it was very stable.
Now I am back to stock 400 Mhz and KP have returned. Will need to investigate :huh:

jmd
13th August 2006, 07:37 AM
Had a heap at one point (with Tiger) which seems to be linked to a Maxtor drive I installed. Once I replaced it, never seen one since.

JMD

STK
13th August 2006, 07:51 AM
Had one at last year all of a sudden, no reason at all. I also had a strange one this year...My computer forgot to tell me about reserve battery warning and my computer died because it didnt realise it didn't have any battery left! When I got power and rebooted it said OSX has unxecpectly quit.

Venom71
13th August 2006, 07:53 AM
I had 6 over one weekend in 2002 when I had a G4 swivel screen iMac and first installed Telstra's ADSL drivers for the Alcatel modems they were using at the time. By midday Sunday I'd just had enough with the Telstra modem and bought an ADSL modem / router from Harvey Norman.

Since then maybe only 1 kernel panic on an older 15" G4 PowerBook that had a loose memory chip. I cannot remember the last time I had a kernel panic on my current Rev A 20" G5 iMac, 15" PowerBook or G4 Mac Mini. My partner also has a Rev A 17" G5 iMac and she hasn't ever had a kernel panic with it.

vanderlay
13th August 2006, 08:25 AM
I changed my wireless router and started getting kernel panics on my macbook everytime I booted up. (no problem on my iBook).
Ditched the Netcomm and went back to my Linksys, and the Kernel Panics stopped. Other than that, never had them before.

hawker
13th August 2006, 08:38 AM
Funny post Dana, haven't seen one for a while now :) - last one was on Dads laptop - I can't remember why!

I usually only see them just before the logic board needs to be replaced.

stefanlod
13th August 2006, 11:04 AM
I've seen it happen to somebody who had to get their logic board replaced. Mind you, nothing happened when it was safe booted.

edit: looks much better than a BSOD though! :D

HarbieBoys
13th August 2006, 11:58 AM
Youtube MacBook Pro Kernel Panic video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWI8KUsQQc&mode=related&search=)

Found this youtube video two weeks ago, when a friend reported that his brand new (1 week old) MacBook Pro kept on crashing...

pipsqeek
13th August 2006, 12:20 PM
My G3 iBooks in my Saga had KP's about once every few minutes. Thank f#@k that's gone.

My G4 iBook that replaced them has had one KP, due to faulty RAM. Replaced on the spot. Amazing, considering my past experiences.

My G4 450, never KP'd.

My G4 466, never.

My Cube, hasn't so far (only had it for a few months).

My G5, started to KP all the time, faulty logic board. I sold it as parts on ebay for more then I bought it for.

My replacement G5, KP'd a few times.

All the mac's running OS X only, and they were all Carbon Copy Cloned from my G4 450. I'd blame that, but the other machines run fine.

I didn't vote because I haven't had any KP's in a long time. And none of the options really signify my experience. Hence this reply.

pipsqeek

Rodney9
13th August 2006, 05:10 PM
Never on my Mini.

jbillett
13th August 2006, 05:24 PM
Could produce kernal panic's at will when I first got my PowerBook... traced to a faulty RAM chip. Replaced that and didn't have any problems.

New mini has been clear sailing so far...

Goodbye
13th August 2006, 05:25 PM
I don't like the poll options (too specific), but I very rarely have one...since I started with OS X (10.2) I think I've had maybe 3 or 4?

forgie
13th August 2006, 05:32 PM
I've had a couple, but it's ALWAYS been a hardware/driver problem.

bennettnz
13th August 2006, 05:36 PM
it might be good if someone accurately decribes what happens when you have a a kernel panic event.

dev_enter
13th August 2006, 05:44 PM
There was an image posted in the first post of the thread which shows what a kernel panic would look like...

mechcon
13th August 2006, 05:51 PM
actually a blank dvd-r (verbatim) caused kernel panics, tried a different one in the same spindle, and worked fine!

stefanlod
13th August 2006, 06:22 PM
I know this is strange, but is there a way to make OS X kernel panic? *then have it back to normal after you reboot or something*

lifeofthepartay
13th August 2006, 06:44 PM
I had a couple of weeks where my G4 iBook would KP every hour or so. On the day that i finally took it to get repaired it KP'd no less than 16 times in the space of 4 hours. I also noticed that the Safe Boot didn't cause KP. But without any network support that's less than usuable. Turned out to be the Logic Board. The hardest thing was trying to replicate the problem. I'm sure we went through every component before we narrowed it down to the Logic Board.

Much frustration. Happy now its back to its former self. :D

BiRDBRAiN
13th August 2006, 07:04 PM
Only time I ever had KP's were on my old 17" 1GHz powebook while running VPC.

Been some time though since I've had one, never had one on my 1.33GHz 12" PB.

Ben™
13th August 2006, 07:22 PM
Never had one :)

marc
13th August 2006, 07:44 PM
None since using Tiger.

Pre-tiger ones were a hardware issue that I fixed by upgrading the offending audio card.

TorranceTM
13th August 2006, 07:50 PM
Seems to happen on shutdowns every now and then?

cmjl
13th August 2006, 08:55 PM
Never had one myself, but I think that's more because I don't run much fancy stuff on it (just MS Office, Firefox/camino, iLife and the occasional game) and I always turn my Mac off after using it, so it benefits from a clean start each time I go back to use it.

rabit
13th August 2006, 10:41 PM
Had some trouble a with the 733 Quick silver having frequent panics,
managed to find a another 733 CPU and haven’t had a problem since then.

Mikey
13th August 2006, 11:55 PM
I had a couple on my 12" 1ghz pb ages ago - I think it was related to installing a 500Mb memory card (Kingston) but the problem just went away. I have assumed it was a very slightly dodgy connection that fixed itself, but I don't know.

rrs
14th August 2006, 01:56 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cmjl &#064; Aug 13 2006, 08&#58;55 PM) 204530</div>

Never had one myself, but I think that&#39;s more because I don&#39;t run much fancy stuff on it (just MS Office, Firefox/camino, iLife and the occasional game) and I always turn my Mac off after using it, so it benefits from a clean start each time I go back to use it.
[/b]
You don&#39;t need to shut down everyday, by the way. You can let your Mac sleep and it won&#39;t have any worries, especially the way you said you use your mac. Apple even recommends letting it sleep every night rather than shutting down.

The real switched-on technical-types here can tell you all the reasons OSX doesn&#39;t need to be shut down everyday. I love waking my Mac every time I need to use it&#33; I can&#39;t go back from 3 second start-ups&#33; :)


On topic... I&#39;ve never had a Kernal Panic on my iMac G5. Thank God I switched 18 months ago&#33;

forgie
14th August 2006, 02:06 AM
I haven&#39;t shut down my iBook in weeks.... sometimes I go for months and only restart when I have an OSX update.

Jazarus
16th August 2006, 01:14 AM
I&#39;ve only had one of them ever, that was when I decided to downgrade my OS from Tiger to Panther, I wasnt too impressed with the way spotlight drained memory and CPU and over all I just felt Panther suited me most and yeah when I downgraded I really didnt know what I was doing I think I even got a system folder ?? icon and then my first ever kernel panic. But I got rid of yucky Tiger in the end, Leopard looks promising plus I have a ton of RAM now so I&#39;ll be doing the "leap" from panther to leopard.


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4851/donotwanttigeraj6.jpg

kim jong il
16th August 2006, 02:21 AM
In the last year I have had one software related (still a mystery; possibly an overworked old version of photoshop), four from 2 dead/flaky RAM chips (one Apple branded/one generic) and a couple overclocking related panics (one machine which should not count as they should be considered induced) spread over four different machines in all. In all truth I don&#39;t feel that this is so bad as none of the machines are ever really switched off for any extended period.

spargo
16th August 2006, 02:32 AM
I tend to get kernal panics only when I put my 512 stick into the dodgy lower RAM slot on my 15" 1.5ghz PowerBook..

Other than that, perfect..

Byrd
16th August 2006, 08:15 AM
The only time I&#39;ve ever had reccurent KP&#39;s has always been dodgy hardware-related - Clamshell iBook with flaky CD drive (refusing to boot from 10.3 install CD), another Clamshell with flaky onboard RAM (worked fine in OS 9 though), and nothing else.

Surprisingly, with overclocking I&#39;ve not had KPs - if clocked too high, it never gets that far :D Usually results in no chime, black screen or grey Apple logo and nothing else. If the overclock is successful, if it gets past successful chime/logo etc., the overclock is usually a success.

JB

harryb2448
16th August 2006, 08:34 AM
Did have panic attacks which on restart went to a welcome to firmware page.

Problem was easily fixed using X707 Firmware Update for a Pioneer 107D CD/DVD burner.


:D

Bart Smastard
16th August 2006, 09:26 AM
Never had one. Which seems to be the general concensus and a testemony to the quality of Apple computers.

I think the graph would be reveresed if it was a poll asking how often Windows users see the Blue Screen of Death :)

ilostmypassword
15th September 2006, 08:48 PM
1st gen mac mini had random panics for a week until it was returned DOA. Recently- a new imac panicked when i installed parallels and pressed the green button to setup a VM. Downloaded update and it stopped so i suspect *hoping* that its a driver/ software thing. Has anyone had this happen with parallels?

The RAM was upgraded in the “shop” so i&#39;m keeping an eye on this. What apps to you recommend to stress or TEST the RAM?

soulman
15th September 2006, 08:57 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ilostmypassword &#064; Sep 15 2006, 08&#58;48 PM) 214392</div>
What apps to you recommend to stress or TEST the RAM?[/b]I recommend Rember (http://www.kelleycomputing.net:16080/rember/), a GUI for the memtest utility. It works.

melbmac
15th September 2006, 09:21 PM
Haven&#39;t had one since I got my first G4 iMac, it was found to be faulty.

ilostmypassword
15th September 2006, 09:25 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(soulman &#064; Sep 15 2006, 08&#58;57 PM) 214394</div>

I recommend Rember (http://www.kelleycomputing.net:16080/rember/), a GUI for the memtest utility. It works.
[/b]

Nice&#33;&#33; TY :D

Ran 5 cycles on both my macbook and C2D and no dramas :D

bljpoad
15th September 2006, 10:23 PM
the two times I have tried to run parallels on my C2D iMac I have had KP&#39;s. Worked fine until I pressed the &#39;go&#39; button on the VM. Given up for a while now until they release an update :)

EDIT PS have not seen a KP on a personal machine of mine for over a year. Work machines I have seen 3 in 3 days earlier in the year thanks to National Instruments LabVIEW program&#33;

ilostmypassword
15th September 2006, 11:17 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bljpoad &#064; Sep 15 2006, 10&#58;23 PM) 214447</div>

the two times I have tried to run parallels on my C2D iMac I have had KP&#39;s. Worked fine until I pressed the &#39;go&#39; button on the VM. Given up for a while now until they release an update :)

EDIT PS have not seen a KP on a personal machine of mine for over a year. Work machines I have seen 3 in 3 days earlier in the year thanks to National Instruments LabVIEW program&#33;
[/b]

Hey Kim Jong il. That&#39;s EXACTLY what happened to me&#33; (on a C2D imac) And I could reproduce it consistently.. by pressing that damn green button :D

Were you trying to set-up a VM or actually run an installation?

The beta on the parallels site fixed it for me and i could then install several VM&#39;s *fingers crossed*... maybe you should try the update? Let me know how it goes?

EDIT: Looks as if the_OM has had the same issues... http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?s...=0&#entry213134 (http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=25610&st=0&#entry213134)

I&#39;m relieved to see that a software problem is the cause..... *phew*

mechcon
17th October 2006, 06:14 PM
here&#39;s one i&#39;ve been getting lately

Tue Oct 17 17:39:35 2006


Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000000000010 PC=0x00000000440A9C9C
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x48297780)
PC=0x440A9C9C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000010; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x440A9C98; R1=0x2C86B7C0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x440A9C98 0x440A9C34 0x002D124C 0x440AA298 0x440AA104 0x004409E8
0x009B0164 0x009B1CC4 0x009B1FC0 0x009B20D0 0x004408A0 0x009B0164 0x009B0830 0x009B08C8
0x009AB83C 0x002D0B94 0x002CFA5C 0x000A9314
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBMassStorageClass(1.4.5)@0x440 a7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.5.6)@0x43e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(1.4. 9)@0x612000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily(1.5)@0x578000
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI(2.5.8)@0x9a7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.5.6)@0x43e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x45f000
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.5.6)@0x43e000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x48297780)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x42273A00)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 8.8.0: Fri Sep 8 17:18:57 PDT 2006; root:xnu-792.12.6.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x00095138 0x00095650 0x00026898 0x000A7E04 0x000AB780
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x48297780)
PC=0x440A9C9C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000010; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x440A9C98; R1=0x2C86B7C0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x440A9C98 0x440A9C34 0x002D124C 0x440AA298 0x440AA104 0x004409E8
0x009B0164 0x009B1CC4 0x009B1FC0 0x009B20D0 0x004408A0 0x009B0164 0x009B0830 0x009B08C8
0x009AB83C 0x002D0B94 0x002CFA5C 0x000A9314
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBMassStorageClass(1.4.5)@0x440 a7000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.5.6


I reckon its from the usb on the left hand side of my powerbook, as it&#39;s connected to the dell usb hub (on my 2407 monitor)