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new2mac
19th July 2006, 05:06 PM
Hi everyone.
I've got half an idea to dump my desktop and go for a notebook only. This I need as I'm getting another office so a laptop to travel between locations is a no brainer.

But, is a 17" just too big? I've got a 12" PB & love it's size for travel. But for day to day work. Especially Photoshop retouching II prefer big screens..

15" or 17" what's your opinions

Galumay
19th July 2006, 05:30 PM
the 17"MBP is awesome as a desktop replacement, as a travelling lappy - well i have kept my 15" PB! for you it would depend how far you were carting it, how often, by what means (car, plane..), and with what else.

if you are just jumping in the beemer and driving to your other office, get the 17". if you are jumping on the malvern star and pedalling an hour with lunch and a camera then stick with a 13" MB.

grorr76
19th July 2006, 05:33 PM
im getting a 17inch mbp am sick of clients coming to my house will take it on the road with me. perfect for video and audio stuff that I do.

new2mac
19th July 2006, 05:54 PM
I'm OK to use the 12" PB for flying or other tight situations.
With a 17" it'd be in the car to work where it'll sit on a desk all day, maybe down the street once to the 2nd office, then home again. So carrying isn't too hard.

I'm thinking about the PB G4 not the MBP. As I'm not really keen on 1st Gen. Plus it's all abouut Adobe Creative Suite for me.
Has anyone got a 17" G4 story to tell? Good or bad?

vargz
19th July 2006, 05:58 PM
Personally, I like the portability of the 12" PB - can easily tap it into the bigger displays at work or home. Hence if you require portability, go for a 15". I just think a 17" will become a pain unless its mainly used as a desktop-replacement and not lugged around too often.

mechcon
19th July 2006, 06:33 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 19 2006, 05&#58;54 PM) 196594</div>

I&#39;m OK to use the 12" PB for flying or other tight situations.
With a 17" it&#39;d be in the car to work where it&#39;ll sit on a desk all day, maybe down the street once to the 2nd office, then home again. So carrying isn&#39;t too hard.

I&#39;m thinking about the PB G4 not the MBP. As I&#39;m not really keen on 1st Gen. Plus it&#39;s all abouut Adobe Creative Suite for me.
Has anyone got a 17" G4 story to tell? Good or bad?
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its also about how you are size-wise physically.. like im a big bloke @ 6"4, big hands too, the 15" is a good size, but now after pissfarting around with the work&#39;s 17" I regret not getting that one instead.

also, good choice on getting a powerbook still, as they&#39;re still beasts :D

new2mac
19th July 2006, 06:55 PM
I&#39;m a 100kg competive powerlifter in my spare time.
weight shouldn&#39;t be an issue ;-)

I&#39;m more worried about eyestrain&#33;

dev_enter
19th July 2006, 07:01 PM
I&#39;ve been tossing up this question for a while myself.

I&#39;m considering getting a new MacBook Pro to replace my current desktop and my current notebook (a 12" PowerBook).

I&#39;m going to be doing a salary sacrifice, and basically the difference between the 17" and the 15" MacBook Pros work out to only around &#036;250 difference from my pocket (comparing the top end 15" to the top end 17").

I would really rather have the 15" for size reasons. I would need to use the notebook on my lap for the most part. My main problem is that for the extra price, the 17" MacBook Pro gives you so much more... A larger hard drive (or 7200 rpm drive), 8x dual layer superdrive, higher resolution, fw800 and an extra usb port.

If the only difference between the two was the screen and hard drive size as with the last PowerBook revision, I would definitely go for the 15" probably with the 100GB 7200rpm hard drive.

I think I&#39;ll wait until after the next revision to see what the difference is then.

mechcon
19th July 2006, 07:04 PM
well, with the rumors floating around about the new gen mbp&#39;s around the corner... the 15" models will have those same features as the 17" surely.. i mean they did it with the powerbooks, why not the macbookpro&#39;s?

vargz
19th July 2006, 07:12 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 19 2006, 06&#58;25 PM) 196611</div>

I&#39;m more worried about eyestrain&#33;
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Yes, and you should also consider ergonomics - an iCurve, wireless mouse and keyboard are a must if you will be using any notebook for long periods.

cgollner
19th July 2006, 07:20 PM
I use a PB 12" all the time and for some of the more eye intensive fiddly stuff connect it to a large display and use a separate mouse/keyboard. Need doesn&#39;t arise often though. And with the bag I carry it in, it looks as if I&#39;m not carrying a notebook at all.

DJY
19th July 2006, 07:24 PM
I struggled with the 15 vs 17" PB issue when I bought mine.

I had been a laptop person for almost a decade - and had gone back to a desktop and hated it&#33;

I am still very very happy with my 17"
If I had to buy again tomorrow I would.
Extra real estate I find very helpful - particularly now most are widescreen rather than 4:3 ration screens...

means I can have a proper document / spreadsheet / powerpoint open - and have formatting or other things down the side.

Much better WOW factor too if you are going to use in a business setting&#33;
Mine still turns heads.

I don&#39;t find it heavy at all, and travel with it regularly.

The Fluffy Duck
19th July 2006, 07:25 PM
I would get a 15 if Ihad the money :&#39;(

new2mac
19th July 2006, 07:46 PM
I do most of my fiddley work at home on a 23" crt screen. So i guess if I replace the desktop there I&#39;ll end up with 2 screens, which is nice.

In the office, much the same in one setting, and a dest top replacement in the other. wow factor helps too I guess.
What&#39;s a used G4 17" worth at the moment?

mechcon
19th July 2006, 08:27 PM
check www.apple.com.au/store/ and on the right there&#39;s a "SAVE" icon, apple are selling refurb&#39;d hi-res powerbooks in 17" for &#036;2800 or so

new2mac
19th July 2006, 08:54 PM
There&#39;s refurbished MBP 1.83ghz for &#036;2300 on that list. Thats cheaper than the G4 1.67ghz 15" & 17".
Makes me rethink this.
What gives?

mechcon
19th July 2006, 09:33 PM
different conditions and what not.. keep an eye on ram/hdd and vid card too... as well as that, dont forget the hi-res powerbooks have 8x dual layer superdrives, the 17" macbook pro currently is the only intel mac notebook with an 8x dvd burner

new2mac
19th July 2006, 09:52 PM
can you explain the hi-res distinction on the G4&#39;s for me?

mechcon
19th July 2006, 09:58 PM
hi-res to the previous powerbooks? or the macbook pro&#39;s?

samuelclarke
19th July 2006, 10:08 PM
The difference between the high-res PowerBook and the normal ones is:

high-res 15" PB: 1440px x 960px
non high-res 15" PB: 1280px x 854 px

so you&#39;re able to fit more stuff on the screen...

new2mac
19th July 2006, 10:09 PM
previous powerbooks.
I&#39;m looking at a Superdrive g4 17" model M9689LL/A
Is that the latest & last of the G4 17"?

dev_enter
19th July 2006, 10:10 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 19 2006, 09&#58;52 PM) 196674</div>

can you explain the hi-res distinction on the G4&#39;s for me?
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The last revision of the PowerBooks upgraded the resolution of the G4 PowerBooks.
The 15" went from 1280 x 854 to 1440 x 960 (M9969LL/A).
The 17" went from 1440 x 960 to 1680 x 1050 (M9970LL/A).

Edit: Added model numbers.

mechcon
19th July 2006, 10:21 PM
here&#39;s a full rundown on both hi-res and low-res powerbooks:

http://tinyurl.com/ezlzu - Hi-Res

http://tinyurl.com/hukvm - Lower-Res

new2mac
19th July 2006, 10:23 PM
Thanks.
And the MBP has even more?
I guess it doesn&#39;t matter too much as i don&#39;t do critical editing on an LCD.
There&#39;s a real value crunch happening here.
For say a budget of &#036;2500 you can cover a new Macbook, a refurb MBP, or 2nd hand G4 1.67ghz 15" & maybe almost a 17". Everything&#39;s covered.
Apples & oranges.
These are strange times..

mechcon
19th July 2006, 10:26 PM
well..... yeah the MBP has more

except the 15" models only have 4x single-layer superdrives, whereas the 17" has 8x dual layer

as you say, your more interested in getting a G4 anyway aren&#39;t you?

hally
19th July 2006, 10:36 PM
I&#39;ll just answer the main topic thread question; it depends on what you&#39;re doing with it.

From the information you have given, i would say that it should be fine, whereas if you said that you traveled a lot by train and even did a fair bit of flying, i would suggest the 15" (either MBP or PB whatever you desire) purely because when you&#39;re in these enclosed spaces withe people sitting right next to you, its quite hard to actually use the keyboard without intruding in the &#39;space&#39; of the person next to you&#33;

I know when im on a train and there is someone next to me with a laptop they are almost elbowing me&#33; and thats with a 15" (or there abouts) screen.

For something that you want to use at home on a desk, and then put into your car and travel with it somewhere, a 17" will be fine. Also just out of interest, have you gone into a Apple re-seller and had a look at a 15" and a 17" side by side? When i was making the purchase of my MBP once i saw how big the 17" MBPs were i instantly knew that the 15" MBP was by far the best option for me&#33;

new2mac
19th July 2006, 11:04 PM
Yes i&#39;ll have to go and really size these up.
Remember i have 12" for travelling etc.
G4 is still my preferred - I think. :blink:

hijack
19th July 2006, 11:58 PM
give the 17" a miss. Looks and works good but it is too big to be classed as portable.
I was given this advice but chose to ignore it to my peril. Cost me heaps and I&#39;m back (happily) on the 15" Powerbook. It lives on my kitchen table and is sooo useable and unobtrusive. the screen is big enough for all my needs. I have a desktop with 17" displays but it has faded into disuse........ Wanna sell it now&#33;&#33;&#33;

Powerbooks ROCK&#33;&#33;

visional_studios
20th July 2006, 01:00 AM
Im not sure if this is an option for you, but heres a suggestion:

Grab the 15" and when your at home in your office, plug in a second monitor to the DVI port for extra real estate or just use the second monitor as the default display.

Just a thought.

msilsby
20th July 2006, 01:54 AM
I had a 15" PB as my last laptop, and upgraded to a 17" just before they changed to the intel chip, and couldn&#39;t be happier.

At times it can be a bit big, but if you are doing anything at all where you are spending a fairly decent amount of time in front of it, that extra couple of inches makes it all worth while. Also, the specs by definition, are just a little bit better all around. I use mine as my main computer, even though I have a mac mini hooked up to a plasma screen tv. There is just something about being able to open two A4 pages beside each other, a big assed web browser page, or a whole fistfull of widgets that gives me that warm fuzzy feeling.

Oh, and it is just that little bit more impressive when you walk into an internet cafe and see all the poor blighters scrolling madly around a web page just to read it, when I know I only need to scroll down.

p.s. Did I mention the important stuff like Civ 3 and movies are just that more visually enjoyable?

new2mac
20th July 2006, 05:59 AM
Hmm... yes the 15" can be plugged into another monitor. And that is what will happen in two of the three locations.
The way i work is to have everything open & to multi task all. Thats what Mac&#39;s do so well. So the extra realestate still appeals.

dev_enter
20th July 2006, 01:44 PM
I went to an AppleCentre just now over lunch to compare them side by side (highly recommend you do this before you lock yourself in).

I&#39;ve decided that the 17" is definitely far too big for my needs. Just imagining how ridiculous I would look if I tried to use it on the train, or even on the couch at home made me realise straight away that it wasn&#39;t the right machine for me.

Now I just need to wait for a DL SuperDrive revision to come out and I&#39;ll be placing my order.

mechcon
20th July 2006, 01:45 PM
I forgot to mention, that the hi-res powerbooks have brighter screens too

new2mac
20th July 2006, 02:58 PM
Yup I&#39;m going to have to go to a shop and compare side by side. I&#39;ll do that this weekend.

Galumay
20th July 2006, 05:57 PM
well just be careful not to look at the 17" MBP with the glossy screen - because if you do anything else pales into insignificance&#33;&#33;&#33;

DJY
20th July 2006, 06:03 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bahamut &#064; Jul 20 2006, 01&#58;44 PM) 196850</div>

Just imagining how ridiculous I would look if I tried to use it on the train, or even on the couch at home made me realise straight away that it wasn&#39;t the right machine for me.
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My couch and I are very very happy and content with my 17" PB&#33;

But seriously - for some the 15" is best for them - for a range of reasons...
but many others will swear by their 17" as well.

After size does count ladies doesn&#39;t it? :ph34r: :rolleyes:

I think you will be very happy with either size. :P

vampire
22nd July 2006, 12:31 AM
17" is great, I&#39;ve used it for programming and watching movies.

Dubhousing
22nd July 2006, 08:14 AM
17" has been great for me too, except when I&#39;m cycling with it. Only problem is that it&#39;s too big to fit in most hotel safe boxes.

raj
22nd July 2006, 10:26 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 19 2006, 05&#58;06 PM) 196579</div>

But, is a 17" just too big? ....[/b]

Not according to Ron Jeremy... lol... sorry it had to be said :P

emerson
22nd July 2006, 11:04 AM
i&#39;ve got both, a 17" powerbook and a 15" macbook.
when i&#39;m at home i prefer to use the 17" PB for design and movies etc. but the 15" MB is far better for travelling.
the 17" is a little big to travel with, usually i carry it in a seperate bag but the MB i just wack it in and sleeve and straight in my backpack :D

either way i think you&#39;d be happy, i lived with the 17" for 8 months or so travelling.

really depends what you are using it for i think.

MizuInOz
22nd July 2006, 01:16 PM
I have had a 17" since they first came out - 1st gen :( AND after replacing the HD and several batteries, Apple finally replaced the whole thing and it has been a wonder ever since. Wrote and illustrated a 220 page book with it, composed (using Sountrack Pro) a 60 minute "funky jazz electro smooth" comp that has had rave reviews from a friend :), and used it for all my Adobe stuff. Been very pleased with it. Travelled to Canada, Russia, USofAye, Australia, PNG, UAE, Singapore with it - no worries and with the proper bag - easy. Was able to plug it in on the flight (business class) and watch my own movies instead of the inflight cr*p.

AND no eye strain. ;)

Cheers

Oh, and I wil buy the 17 MPB 2nd Gen in about a year - learned my lessons. Well&#33;

new2mac
23rd July 2006, 06:32 PM
I saw the MBP 15" & 17" side by side today.
The 17" is so big. I loved it.
Prob is too big for everyday travel though. Hmmm... still can&#39;t decide.

new2mac
30th July 2006, 11:19 PM
Ok - had to tell everyone.
I couldn&#39;t resist the 17" MBP in the end. so i bought one.
Thanks to Nightbreed, i bought his one. I must admit he really was sad to see it go. Thanks buddy it&#39;s found a good home - I LOVE IT&#33;

It&#39;s BIG. Too big to lug around mostly. But as a portable desktop it&#39;s awesome, and thats what i need.

I LOVE IT&#33;

ps. mechcon did you know i would crack in the end?

Nightbreed
31st July 2006, 12:28 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 30 2006, 11&#58;19 PM) 199829</div>

Ok - had to tell everyone.
I couldn&#39;t resist the 17" MBP in the end. so i bought one.
Thanks to Nightbreed, i bought his one. I must admit he really was sad to see it go. Thanks buddy it&#39;s found a good home - I LOVE IT&#33;

It&#39;s BIG. Too big to lug around mostly. But as a portable desktop it&#39;s awesome, and thats what i need.

I LOVE IT&#33;

ps. mechcon did you know i would crack in the end?
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:cry: I miss it already.

Glad to see it&#39;s gone to a good home though :)

Bring on the 8 core MONSTER&#33;&#33;

mechcon
31st July 2006, 07:15 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 30 2006, 11&#58;19 PM) 199829</div>

Ok - had to tell everyone.
I couldn&#39;t resist the 17" MBP in the end. so i bought one.
Thanks to Nightbreed, i bought his one. I must admit he really was sad to see it go. Thanks buddy it&#39;s found a good home - I LOVE IT&#33;

It&#39;s BIG. Too big to lug around mostly. But as a portable desktop it&#39;s awesome, and thats what i need.

I LOVE IT&#33;

ps. mechcon did you know i would crack in the end?
[/b]


yes

DJY
31st July 2006, 07:50 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(new2mac &#064; Jul 23 2006, 06&#58;32 PM) 197733</div>

The 17" is so big. I loved it.
[/b]

Congratulations&#33; I don&#39;t think you will ever regret your decision&#33;
I know I didn&#39;t&#33;

Size DOES matter&#33;

new2mac
31st July 2006, 09:15 PM
Thank you.
Ironically I&#39;m working on it now putting together a promo reel for a client. I never do video (as i told it&#39;s previous owner - nightbreed)
However the phone rang yesterday and presto - it&#39;s making me &#036;&#036;&#036;

I LOVE IT&#33;

Apologies for the soppiness but I&#39;m smitten :D

grorr76
31st July 2006, 09:22 PM
congrats I myself am looking at getting a rev b mbp 17 incher as a portable editing and audio work station I think there a wanderfull computer and cant wait to get one myself.

mechcon
31st July 2006, 09:45 PM
I look forward to getting mine, but im going to wait at the right time for me (or in other words, once all the apps i use are universal)

new2mac
31st July 2006, 10:02 PM
I do reccommend.

I must admit I&#39;ve found the odd intel issue. However, things work quite nicely under rossetta (2gig RAM etc)
I&#39;m surprised. Even PS is a similar speed to my G4 MDD dual. So I&#39;m ok with that so far.

It is a monster though. Really a portable desktop & not a laptop.

Heat is NO issue. Must be the large surface area. And it&#39;s dead silent.

Video rocks on this. Would have killed my previous machine.

And the extra screen real estate is perfect for my personal workflows, eg everthing open everywhere.

I tested this machine by hitting :cmd: A in the app&#39;s folder followed by :cmd: O
nightbreed almost passed out when i did that

No prob for this baby :D

mechcon
31st July 2006, 10:14 PM
one thing i MUST ask.. and i&#39;ve seen this on two 17" powerbooks and one MBP 17"

does the cd eject out in it&#39;s entirety? three 17" notebooks dont do that, like the 12/13/14/15" notebooks it comes out so you can put the thumb in the middle part of the disc to pull it out... the 17" hardly comes out

new2mac
31st July 2006, 10:31 PM
It goes out just pass half way.
far enough to easily grasp - but not so far as to drop out.