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stefanlod
18th June 2006, 03:32 PM
Whoa, I was surprised, but according to this (http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Vista_Most_Secure_OS_Ever/1150366131) article from BetaNews, Microsoft is really proclaiming that it is. I feel skeptical due to the fact that XP is so insecure, but if MS has been taking security as seriously as they have been, then maybe it is safe to use.

I don't feel qualified to make an informed decision as to whether I should believe that statement is true, but I'm sure some people here are. :D

rob05
18th June 2006, 03:39 PM
What a load of BS if I ever did read some

Windows of any form being secure pigs will fly first

dinesh
18th June 2006, 03:58 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stefanlod &#064; Jun 18 2006, 03&#58;32 PM) 185424</div>

Whoa, I was surprised, but according to this (http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Vista_Most_Secure_OS_Ever/1150366131) article from BetaNews, Microsoft is really proclaiming that it is. I feel skeptical due to the fact that XP is so insecure, but if MS has been taking security as seriously as they have been, then maybe it is safe to use.

I don&#39;t feel qualified to make an informed decision as to whether I should believe that statement is true, but I&#39;m sure some people here are. :D
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Can u stop spamming this MB with MS crap news pls? cher

wilba
18th June 2006, 04:03 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dinesh &#064; Jun 18 2006, 03&#58;58 PM) 185433</div>

Can u stop spamming this MB with MS crap news pls? cher
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He&#39;s not spamming. This is relevant to (most) mac users, as OS X is usually proclaimed as the most secure OS.

But a Microsoft product being secure? Blah.

jeremy_warnock
18th June 2006, 04:03 PM
You think M&#036; has ever heard of a little OS called Solaris??? - 20 years not one virus or breach has every been reported - used by 35 million companies in over 150 countries.

Yeah sure Bill - Vista can live upto that :P

The Fluffy Duck
18th June 2006, 04:05 PM
I find the replies far more humours. The amount of pure sublime ignorence that floats around the PC community is obviously intoxicating.

"OSX and linux combind only have 5% of the market share"

"People use windows becasue its a better product and easier to use"

"I can throw anything at windows and its rock solid. Can linux and OSX claim such things"



I really REALLY want to hurt people sometimes

dangelovich
18th June 2006, 04:09 PM
Umm... it probably is the most secure OS ever... that MICROSOFT HAVE RELEASED.
I&#39;d love to know what the MS rep *actually* said. Word for word... not just the crap some moron journalist made up.

plunkotica
18th June 2006, 04:10 PM
i tried the beta 2 of vista, nearly ruined my keyboard with all the vomit i was spewing out all over the place as my first reaction too it.

marc
18th June 2006, 04:13 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jeremy_warnock &#064; Jun 18 2006, 04&#58;03 PM) 185442</div>

You think M&#036; has ever heard of a little OS called Solaris??? - 20 years not one virus or breach has every been reported - used by 35 million companies in over 150 countries.

Yeah sure Bill - Vista can live upto that :P
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Yeah. Forget OS X, there&#39;s heaps of very secure *nix variants out there. To be better Vista will have to maintain a brilliant record for a looooooooooooong time. It&#39;s not something you earn overnight.

jeremy_warnock
18th June 2006, 04:13 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dangelovich &#064; Jun 18 2006, 04&#58;09 PM) 185446</div>

Umm... it probably is the most secure OS ever... that MICROSOFT HAVE RELEASED.
I&#39;d love to know what the MS rep *actually* said. Word for word... not just the crap some moron journalist made up.
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dangelovich - could they get any worse really??? NT4 was and still is more secure then 2000 and XP - When youve hit rock bottom you can only go up&#33;&#33;&#33;

The Fluffy Duck
18th June 2006, 04:17 PM
Would you like some operating system with your virus?

mac_man_luke
18th June 2006, 04:30 PM
The only way they have made it secure its to make you have to ok every single action by default - which will piss most people off and they will turn it off&#33;

Windows will never be the most secure

dev_enter
18th June 2006, 04:37 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mac_man_luke &#064; Jun 18 2006, 04&#58;30 PM) 185462</div>

The only way they have made it secure its to make you have to ok every single action by default - which will piss most people off and they will turn it off&#33;[/b]
That&#39;s pretty much what it does. And I did have to turn it off as it confuses my multi-monitor setup.

zbaron
18th June 2006, 04:44 PM
Hey, they said the same thing with the release of Windows XP. But the phrase "Windows XP is the most secure OS ever", quietly became "Windows XP is the most secure Windows OS ever". The phrase will probably change again.

And jeremy_warnock, while Solaris is pretty good, a default install on an Internet connected box will be broken into pretty quickly, there are plenty of services running that can be compromised. I guess at least though, they can be turned off and removed from the filesystem.

timothy
18th June 2006, 04:53 PM
vista...

vista...

it&#39;s been a long wait for a tacky interface solution.

vista.......

i think they have stuffed it. lots of bad code.

and ugly pixelated fonts telling you how secure you are.

it&#39;s better than xp by far, but xp is a mess.

Graham
18th June 2006, 05:37 PM
I&#39;m predicting that it will require rebooting so frequently that there will be no time available for any viruses or spyware to become active.

mac_man_luke
18th June 2006, 05:42 PM
I think OpenBSD would be one of the most secure os&#39;es out of the box

Currawong
18th June 2006, 05:47 PM
Vista is secure, you can&#39;t even delete a #&#036;*(ing shortcut without performing 9 steps, so how a virus or worm will do anything is beyond me.

Devski
18th June 2006, 05:48 PM
At this point in time noone has produced any virus&#39;, spyware or malware for the Windows Vista release version.


It needs to be released for at least an hour.

choy
18th June 2006, 06:08 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stefanlod &#064; Jun 18 2006, 03&#58;32 PM) 185424</div>

Whoa, I was surprised, but according to this (http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Vista_Most_Secure_OS_Ever/1150366131) article from BetaNews, Microsoft is really proclaiming that it is. I feel skeptical due to the fact that XP is so insecure, but if MS has been taking security as seriously as they have been, then maybe it is safe to use.
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Have you seen the reports on how it&#39;s made secure? Basically prompts you with irritating dialogs for just about *everything*.

There is such a thing as *too* secure - if it becomes too intrusive, nobody will want to use it.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3524_7-6530009-14.html?tag=ss

feeze
18th June 2006, 06:10 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devski &#064; Jun 18 2006, 05&#58;48 PM) 185487</div>

At this point in time noone has produced any virus&#39;, spyware or malware for the Windows Vista release version.
It needs to be released for at least an hour.
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Ahem
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=windows+vista+%2B+virus&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

I find it funny how the fanboys on one hand say Mac OS X is only secure because of it&#39;s small marketshare, whereas on the other hand say that Windows Vista is more secure because of it&#39;s design and that Microsoft has more &#39;experience&#39; in security :rolleyes:

stefanlod
18th June 2006, 06:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dinesh &#064; Jun 18 2006, 03&#58;58 PM) 185433</div>

Can u stop spamming this MB with MS crap news pls? cher
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Can you find a better place for it? Hard to do considering we don&#39;t have a "software general" section anymore.

BiRDBRAiN
18th June 2006, 08:12 PM
Quick Guide to Securing Windows:
1. Find some REALLY sharp scissors
2. Cut the power cord
3. Go back to bed

...but seriously, mac_man_luke beat me to it, I believe openBSD has one of the best &#39;out-of-the-box&#39; track records for security.

pipsqeek
18th June 2006, 08:43 PM
What I find as one of the most funniest things with Vista is all the new flashy GUI. Yet most of the icons for third party installed apps still look like they came from Windows 3.11 and haven&#39;t changed since.

pipsqeek

marc
18th June 2006, 08:46 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(choy &#064; Jun 18 2006, 06&#58;08 PM) 185501</div>

Have you seen the reports on how it&#39;s made secure? Basically prompts you with irritating dialogs for just about *everything*.[/b]
That&#39;s not "secure", that&#39; poor design&#33;

Devski
18th June 2006, 09:01 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(feeze &#064; Jun 18 2006, 06&#58;10 PM) 185502</div>

Ahem
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=windows+vista+%2B+virus&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

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I did mention &#39;Windows Vista release version&#39;.

My emphasis is on the &#39;release version&#39; that doesn&#39;t exist yet - the gag being that it will be as secure as MS promises until it&#39;s released and then it&#39;s probably fecked within the hour.

MS&#39;s goal is really just to talk up improvements to its most scrutenized weakness. Providing they can keep the &#39;Security&#39; focused media hype rolling until it is released, it does&#39;t matter if it works or not. MS will do well simply by making sure their profitable client base (business - not consumers) believe that Vista will solve all their issues so they plan for it&#39;s release. They don&#39;t need to actually deliver it - they just need to talk it up.

Anyone remember the build up to XP service pack 2?

Keep in mind that MS will also have &#39;OneCare&#39; on the market by then. Why sell someone a secure operating system once, when you can sell them a security service every year? It is just poor business sense to actually deliver on Vista&#39;s promises.

internet
18th June 2006, 09:38 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jeremy_warnock &#064; Jun 18 2006, 04&#58;03 PM) 185442</div>

You think M&#036; has ever heard of a little OS called Solaris??? - 20 years not one virus or breach has every been reported - used by 35 million companies in over 150 countries.

Yeah sure Bill - Vista can live upto that :P
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hey,
i&#39;ve been working Network security for about 3 years now, and have done a lot of work with solaris on Sun SPARC and x86 platforms..
i can guarentee you there are many remote vulnerabilities for solaris
and there has been probably hundreds of thousands of breaches, if you are referring to a breach as an incident in which a solaris OS machine is compromised malciously..

do a search on http://www.securityfocus.com/bid if you want to see some
or download and run metasploit and you can try them out for your self

ps; as a matter of fact I wrote a bash script exploit that exploited a vunerabilities in the &#39;zones&#39; security of solaris 10, enabling a user with any access to any zone with a bash shell to crash the entire box including all sibling zones and parent master zone -- this is only applicable with default configs; a Sun engineer debated to me that you could set memory limits on zones to thwart my exploit


FURTHERMORE - to this discussion - in my experience, a system is only as secure as the person who administers it. Most windows boxes are administered by a home user who have no idea on what they should and shouldn&#39;t be doing. Thus they are surfing the internet as Administrator and guess what happens&#33;
I doubt vista will be the most secure OS ever, but I look forward to the challenge of pulling it apart :)

andrewcod
18th June 2006, 10:45 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(choy &#064; Jun 18 2006, 06&#58;08 PM) 185501</div>

Have you seen the reports on how it&#39;s made secure? Basically prompts you with irritating dialogs for just about *everything*.
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And just a bit more evidence for that...checkout the 7 steps (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=151250154&size=o) needed to delete a shortcut.

kim jong il
18th June 2006, 11:20 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Fluffy Duck &#064; Jun 18 2006, 04&#58;05 PM) 185444</div>

I find the replies far more humours. The amount of pure sublime ignorence that floats around the PC community is obviously intoxicating.

Snipped

"I can throw anything at windows and its rock solid. Can linux and OSX claim such things"

Snipped

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I&#39;m sort of charmed by this statement. Throw a worm and windows breaks. Sounds pretty damned solid to me. :P

marc
18th June 2006, 11:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(internet &#064; Jun 18 2006, 09&#58;38 PM) 185588</div>
in my experience, a system is only as secure as the person who administers it.
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While I agree, I think the best way to compare is with the default setup, as that will be the most common.

Squozen
18th June 2006, 11:48 PM
Psst, OS X ain&#39;t that secure...

FreeFrag
19th June 2006, 12:25 AM
I sat through the IRC ranting of a guy trying to DELETE Vista and re-install WIndows XP tonight. Bloody hell, I hope it&#39;s incessant ability to remain on a computer doesn&#39;t make up part of it&#39;s &#39;new and improved security&#39; &#33;&#33;

Woodsey
19th June 2006, 12:41 AM
Somewhat unrelated, but do these windows gadgets (click the link below) look familiar to anyone?

I had heard from various sources that Vista resembled Mac OS X, but I never would have though they&#39;d copy it so blatantly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9...ows_Gadgets.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Windows_Gadgets.png)

Microsoft&#39;s idea of innovation. I think it took them 5 years to change the name from widgets to gadgets.

Utterly laughable, and disgraceful.

Danamania
19th June 2006, 12:52 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(choy &#064; Jun 18 2006, 06&#58;08 PM) 185501</div>

Have you seen the reports on how it&#39;s made secure? Basically prompts you with irritating dialogs for just about *everything*.
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I don&#39;t expect that&#39;ll make it to the final version of vista - if it does, it&#39;ll be a shocker... mainly for the reason that if clicking OK... OK... OK... No... OK (or some other mix of requesters) becomes a standard part of doing some job, like emptying the trash or installing an app, it becomes entrained so deeply you do it unconsciously.

And when there comes a time that you really need to verify something that should NOT be happening... *bing*. up comes the unconscious, clicks OK, OK, OK, No, OK.. and you&#39;ve installed an app that you shouldn&#39;t have before realising just what it was in order to recognise you shouldn&#39;t have.

That&#39;s dud - happens in parts of OSX too.

dana

adam89
19th June 2006, 02:57 AM
i think the main reason that windows users are more vulnerable to spyware, etc. is because theyre always going on porn sites because noone wants to sleep with a windows user :P

skysa
25th June 2006, 11:55 AM
How sad&#33;&#33;&#33; Ive been using windows vista, its pretty easy for a mac user
love the Widgets--er, Gadgets....

Give me a brake "nextbtye" still have my powerbook&#33; I NEED INTERNET&#33;&#33;&#33; :(