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stefanlod
16th May 2006, 10:38 PM
<div align="center">http://images.apple.com/au/macbook/images/familylineup20060516.png</div>

http://www.apple.com.au/macbook/

The MacBook comes in both Black and white, comes with Front row and Photobooth and magsafe. It features a 13" widescreen display, slot loading combo or (SL) superdrive. Australian prices shown.

Galumay
16th May 2006, 10:39 PM
damn, beat me to it&#33;

looks great in the black&#33;

Ben™
16th May 2006, 10:39 PM
*orgasms*

stefanlod
16th May 2006, 10:41 PM
Not sure if I like the black, but I sure do LOVE the white - the purest of hues&#33;

vargz
16th May 2006, 10:44 PM
Sweet....but those are yank price&#036;&#33; :P

dworld
16th May 2006, 10:45 PM
As expect the GMA 950. Hope the MacBooks don&#39;t have the graphics problems that some Mac Minis are having.


Graphics and Video Support
Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory1

OziMac
16th May 2006, 10:46 PM
1.83 CD White / Combo / 60 - &#036;1749
2.0 CD White / Super / 60 - &#036;2099
2.0 CD Black / Super / 80 - &#036;2399

All with Intel GMA 950 unfortunately :(

OziMac
16th May 2006, 10:48 PM
Might just add - MacBook Pro&#39;s have been speed bumped - 2.0GHz on the base model. 2.16GHz on the top 15.4 inch model and 17 inch model. :)

MacMatt
16th May 2006, 10:48 PM
Once you go Black, you never go back...

SRG
16th May 2006, 10:49 PM
I feel like I am being unfaithful to my Ibook but I just love the Macbook look.

Also very cool how the black is the top of the range. So if you have a Black macbook you have the top model.

Must see if adding the hard drive to the white is cheaper&#33;

Hmm kicking the white up to a matching 80gb HD is only &#036;80 and a total of 2189. Black must be very expensive&#33;

vargz
16th May 2006, 10:49 PM
Seems to be an extra &#036;300 for an additional 20GB of HDD and a black shell&#33; :o

fompsweeva
16th May 2006, 10:50 PM
Oh well, I&#39;m never buying one. It&#39;s got a shiny screen.

OziMac
16th May 2006, 10:51 PM
EDU -

1.83GHz White - &#036;1574
2.0GHz White- &#036;1888
2.0GHz Black - &#036;2159

Rayd
16th May 2006, 10:53 PM
they look pretty good, but the shiny screen just kills it... and i dont quite understand the "new keyboard" ???

entropy
16th May 2006, 10:53 PM
A 80 gb hardrive on the white model costs &#036;80. So you are paying &#036;220 for the black colour.

But you CAN get up to 120 GBs (for &#036;395)&#33;

OziMac
16th May 2006, 10:54 PM
Can I just add - I reckon these are extremely price-competitive with the equivalent Dells (will do precise comparison once excitement dies down). :)

MightyAtom
16th May 2006, 10:54 PM
Now they just need to release the Macbook mini, then I&#39;ll buy another Apple notebook.

Starscream
16th May 2006, 10:54 PM
i like what i see :D

Peter Wells
16th May 2006, 10:56 PM
well bugger me&#33;

vargz
16th May 2006, 10:56 PM
Can someone please explain this &#39;shiny screen&#39; thing to me - why is it an issue?&#33;

stefanlod
16th May 2006, 10:57 PM
Consider this concept for the MacBook:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/MacBook_Concept.png/250px-MacBook_Concept.png

...compared to the real thing:

http://images.apple.com/home/2006/images/macbookichat20060516.jpg

Pretty close, neither of them have latches ;). Excuse my technological ignorance of not knowing how to resize images.

Jaffa
16th May 2006, 10:58 PM
wrong store, thats the US site, try www.apple.com/au/macbook/ :P :P :P

iSlayer
16th May 2006, 10:59 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vargz &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;56 PM) 172607</div>

Can someone please explain this &#39;shiny screen&#39; thing to me - why is it an issue?&#33;
[/b]

its not
the screens just have a "glass" look to them
its probably only an issue for whiners who probably havent even seen one ;)

downsys
16th May 2006, 10:59 PM
am lovin&#39; it.

except for the &#036;220 premium just for a black shell.

dworld
16th May 2006, 11:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;48 PM) 172595</div>

Might just add - MacBook Pro&#39;s have been speed bumped - 2.0GHz on the base model. 2.16GHz on the top 15.4 inch model and 17 inch model. :)
[/b]

Yeah....

Apple today also increased processor speeds on both models of the 15-inch MacBook Pro, delivering even greater performance at no additional cost. The &#036;2,499 model now includes a 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from 2.0 GHz, and the &#036;1,999 model now includes a 2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from 1.83 GHz. Beginning today, the MacBook Pro also offers the new glossy widescreen display as a CTO option on both the 15-and 17-inch models at no additional cost.

More info here

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/c...screen_macbook/ (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/apple_debuts_new_13_inch_widescreen_macbook/)

bartron
16th May 2006, 11:01 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vargz &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;56 PM) 172607</div>

Can someone please explain this &#39;shiny screen&#39; thing to me - why is it an issue?&#33;
[/b]

Glossy screes are supposed to show more clarity and depth of colour.

They also reflect your face (and anything else in the immediate vacinity). Go to your local Disk Smith or Hardly Normal and have a look at the laptop screens on display.....ooohh...shiny&#33;&#33;&#33;

Bartron

entropy
16th May 2006, 11:05 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MightyAtom &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;54 PM) 172604</div>

Now they just need to release the Macbook mini, then I&#39;ll buy another Apple notebook.
[/b]

Yes, I want a sub notebook. No more than an 7-8 inch screen. light as possible. Say something with no hard disk, but at least 16 gb flash, but *neat* expansion via sd card slot (ie so you don&#39;t need to hang a memory stick off the side).

fompsweeva
16th May 2006, 11:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(iSlayer &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;59 PM) 172611</div>

its not
the screens just have a "glass" look to them
its probably only an issue for whiners who probably havent even seen one ;)
[/b]

It&#39;s a matter of preference.

It&#39;s popular to have a glossy screen in PC notebooks. I find it cheap looking and unattractive, especially when you catch a glimpse of yourself in the reflection.

Not to mention the glare. It&#39;s the difference between getting gloss or matt prints from film.

theov
16th May 2006, 11:07 PM
*drools*

I will be ordering this as soon as I&#39;ve transfered the money around my account so as to be able to pay for it.

Now the for the tough decision, black or white :(

Rayd
16th May 2006, 11:08 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;01 PM) 172614</div>

Glossy screes are supposed to show more clarity and depth of colour.

They also reflect your face (and anything else in the immediate vacinity). Go to your local Disk Smith or Hardly Normal and have a look at the laptop screens on display.....ooohh...shiny&#33;&#33;&#33;

Bartron
[/b]

exactly, why do you think the macbook PRO has no "glossy screen" because its annoying. especially when your outside and the sun is refracting in your eyes :P

vargz
16th May 2006, 11:10 PM
Ok, so that&#39;s the shiny screen thing... thanks for explaining :)

On the face of it, the Macbooks are well-specced (minus the intel graphics) and well-priced (minus the premium for a black shell). And it now looks like the Apple portable range is complete (RIP 12" PB)....though I still think my 12" PB (now a collectors item :P) rocks&#33;

OziMac
16th May 2006, 11:12 PM
Oh yeah - I have another debt to collect from all those prescient geniuses who were telling us that there was no way that Apple would retire the 12 inch professional model... cheques will do fine :P

Will get around to the price comparison tomorrow...

bartron
16th May 2006, 11:16 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ipod_man &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;08 PM) 172618</div>

exactly, why do you think the macbook PRO has no "glossy screen" because its annoying. especially when your outside and the sun is refracting in your eyes :P
[/b]

on the plus side, the Macbooks support dual display now (no more hacks :thumbup: )

Also, the only non-intel MAc you can buy is the PowerMac....won&#39;t be long now. :)

Bartron

iSlayer
16th May 2006, 11:17 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;16 PM) 172622</div>

Also, the only non-intel MAc you can buy is the PowerMac....won&#39;t be long now. :)
[/b]

lets not forget xserve&#39;s :)

OziMac
16th May 2006, 11:20 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ipod_man &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;08 PM) 172618</div>

exactly, why do you think the macbook PRO has no "glossy screen" because its annoying. especially when your outside and the sun is refracting in your eyes :P
[/b]

Sorry to burst this party, but as fompsweeva noted, Apple agrees that it&#39;s simply a matter of preference - because the MacBook Pros now have the option (for no extra/less charge) to get a glossy screen too. So take your pick, neither are better but it&#39;s entirely up to you :)

entity119
16th May 2006, 11:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;51 PM) 172600</div>

EDU -

1.83GHz White - &#036;1574
2.0GHz White- &#036;1888
2.0GHz Black - &#036;2159
[/b]

I wonder how rigorously Apple check the educational discount folks - I just finished a certificate through work less than a week ago :(

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ipod_man &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;08 PM) 172618</div>

exactly, why do you think the macbook PRO has no "glossy screen" because its annoying. especially when your outside and the sun is refracting in your eyes :P
[/b]

they do now :P

ialienam
16th May 2006, 11:27 PM
Black one also has 80GB..
hmm..at least it&#39;s 5400rpm.

BUT.

1.shared video memory&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; OMG&#33;&#33;&#33;

2. Black...hmm....is it plastic finish still??&#33;&#33;

I want a 13 MBP&#33;&#33;&#33;

Deanodriver
16th May 2006, 11:28 PM
Hmm, looks like there&#39;s not going to be a 12" MBP...

Either way, I want a MacBook now, badly. A 1.83GHz model with 1GB of RAM and maybe a Superdrive, the pull is strong, but the bank account is weak.

Either way, I was thinking it&#39;d be more expensive (and only have the Solo standard), so it seems like pretty good value to me :)

OziMac
16th May 2006, 11:30 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(entity119 &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;26 PM) 172629</div>

I wonder how rigorously Apple check the educational discount folks - I just finished a certificate through work less than a week ago :(
[/b]

Rigorously enough (http://appletalk.com.au/articles/index.php?article=11309) - if you completed a certificate, try and swing yourself a student card from whatever the administering institution was, and you should be right. :)

ethania05
16th May 2006, 11:33 PM
Everything looks good until I saw the video out support. Not impressed with that so maybe Im going to keep waititng, who knows they may release another update to this macbook.

spargo
16th May 2006, 11:35 PM
White
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo
512MB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x256
120GB Serial ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme built-in
Bluetooth 2.0 built-in

= A&#036;2494


Black
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo
512MB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x256
120GB Serial ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme built-in
Bluetooth 2.0 built-in

= A&#036;2704

Am I missing something? Is one of them priced incorrectly? Do they really think black is really worth paying that much extra for?

For various reasons my PB will still remain by my side. But it is a great machine for those who it is suited to (that&#39;s you mum&#33;)

MightyAtom
16th May 2006, 11:35 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(entropy &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;35 PM) 172615</div>

Yes, I want a sub notebook. No more than an 7-8 inch screen. light as possible. Say something with no hard disk, but at least 16 gb flash, but *neat* expansion via sd card slot (ie so you don&#39;t need to hang a memory stick off the side).
[/b]
I have a 3 or 4 year old Sony Vaio Centrino with a 10" 1280x768 widescreen, 30GB 1.8" hard drive (same as iPod), optical drive and only weighs 1.4kg. It is an absolute dream to work with (aside from Windows).

If Apple can give me something comparable I&#39;ll buy it without a moments hesitation.

Ozi
16th May 2006, 11:36 PM
what spargo said. &#036;210 extra for black seems ludicrous&#33;

Also, integrated graphics? Bah humbug. It is a very nice consumer level product, but don&#39;t pretend it will game or do any graphics intensive software well.

OziMac
16th May 2006, 11:36 PM
Sorry I didn&#39;t pick it up, what&#39;s wrong with the video out support?

Also, I&#39;m thinking these specs are pretty spot on, even pricing wise - the only disappointment is that they charged an extra &#036;300 for the top-end model for only the black case and 20GB of HDD.

Surely they could have added another &#036;100 for the option of an X1300 or something on the top-end model without impinging in the &#036;3199 MBP of similar specs? Oh well, the good old crippling of the consumer models continues... at least not as badly this time :)

zac
16th May 2006, 11:39 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(entity119 &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;26 PM) 172629</div>

I wonder how rigorously Apple check the educational discount folks - I just finished a certificate through work less than a week ago :(
they do now :P
[/b]

I recently bought an Intel Mac Mini from the Apple Online store with an educational discount (I am a uni student) and was never asked for any student ID or anything.

entity119
16th May 2006, 11:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;30 PM) 172634</div>

Rigorously enough (http://appletalk.com.au/articles/index.php?article=11309) - if you completed a certificate, try and swing yourself a student card from whatever the administering institution was, and you should be right. :)
[/b]

I don&#39;t think I&#39;d be able to get a card given that the name of the educational training people hasn&#39;t shown up on there in the past :(

I wonder if I could befreind a uni student or somethign instead :cry:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;36 PM) 172640</div>

Sorry I didn&#39;t pick it up, what&#39;s wrong with the video out support?

[/b]


mini dvi with text on the pages seemingly supporting the spanning idea

Ozi
16th May 2006, 11:46 PM
Hmm its not a typo on the Apple store either: prices are screwed up on the US store too:

in USD:

WHITE
Specifications:
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo
512MB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x256
80GB Serial ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
AirPort Extreme Card & Bluetooth

&#036;1349.00


BLACK
Specifications:
2.0GHz Intel Core Duo
512MB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x256
80GB Serial ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
AirPort Extreme Card & Bluetooth

&#036;1499.00

ialienam
16th May 2006, 11:48 PM
Still, some very positive new features.

1. DVI support, and digital audio&#33;&#33;
2. iSight.
3. Front Row

However, it&#39;s actually heavier than iBook, i thought they were going for slimmer..
2x256MB&#33;&#33;&#33;>< Shared video memory.

3. Why Black cost more?&#33; if it was aluminium case, yes, than I am more than happy to pay the extra cost.. But it&#39;s just a different colour, Toshiba has done it before, it&#39;s not like something new out there&#33;

OziMac
16th May 2006, 11:48 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(entity119 &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;41 PM) 172642</div>

mini dvi with text on the pages seemingly supporting the spanning idea
[/b]

Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but isn&#39;t that a good thing? Especially coming from the previous VGA- and mirroring-only iBook??

entity119
16th May 2006, 11:50 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;48 PM) 172647</div>

Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but isn&#39;t that a good thing? Especially coming from the previous VGA- and mirroring-only iBook??
[/b]

it is to me - I took it that the person I quoted assumed it was mirroring only.

edit:




"Extended desktop mode Extend your work area using both the built-in display and an external display. Supported (built-in display plus an external display up to 1920 x 1200 pixels)"[/b]

spargo
16th May 2006, 11:56 PM
There&#39;s a bit of mis-information being posted in this thread.

While it&#39;s obvious that people are excited by the product release, it&#39;d be helpful to all if posters would read the product specs first before posting.

Thanks.

OziMac
17th May 2006, 12:00 AM
I think the confusion is relatively settled spargo, thanks. It would help in the future if posters refer to which spec they&#39;re whining about prior to undertaking said whining of course.

I do agree with you about the ridiculousness of the additional charges for the black casing. If only they&#39;d slipped in a better graphics card too, they&#39;d actually have proper coverage across the product line for once.

bertofski
17th May 2006, 12:01 AM
OMG the black macbook looks so bloody sexy :D :thumbup:

gurgle
17th May 2006, 12:01 AM
ohhhh me wantee

mm maybe this will spur me into getting a proper grown-up job now iv just finished uni..

Goodbye
17th May 2006, 12:01 AM
Glossy screen. Nooooooooooooo&#33;

Ozi
17th May 2006, 12:04 AM
My GF has a glossy screened Toshiba Satelite (not a bad machine for a PC) and I don&#39;t mind it. Colour saturation does indeed look better, and it has a nice sheen to it. The down side is the nuisance value of lights (especially lights behind you) reflecting off the screen and being distracting. I think the glossy is pretty good, and looks better than the matte screen, but you have to put thought into where you use the computer&#33;

nicwithsticks
17th May 2006, 12:06 AM
I love it&#33; I do think the high-end model should have dedicated graphics, but what can you do?

I&#39;d buy one if I had &#036;&#036;&#036;

Goodbye
17th May 2006, 12:08 AM
We sell glossy screened laptops at work - stand in front of them all you see is your reflection. Give me my matte iBook any day&#33;&#33;&#33;

But apart from that the design is really sexy&#33;

forgie
17th May 2006, 12:36 AM
It&#39;s got gigabit&#33; Nice one Apple&#33; Finally, the entire Apple lineup has gigabit.

The ONLY bad things about the MB are the integrated graphics (which is no biggy unless you&#39;re using an external monitor) and the lack of matte screen choice.

Apart from that, it&#39;s "fully sick mate&#33;"

Squozen
17th May 2006, 12:45 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;36 PM) 172640</div>
Surely they could have added another &#036;100 for the option of an X1300 or something on the top-end model without impinging in the &#036;3199 MBP of similar specs? Oh well, the good old crippling of the consumer models continues... at least not as badly this time :)
[/b]
Well, not really. To do that they&#39;d need to completely engineer the logic board to add the video circuitry (the 950 is built into the northbridge of the Intel chipset). It doesn&#39;t make financial sense to make an entirely new logic board design for just one model, especially when you consider how few people truly care about 3D graphics capability.

Trust me, the garbage specs I&#39;ve seen people live with on their PC laptops (2.8Ghz CPUs with 192Mb of memory running Windows XP&#33;) make the MacBook look godly in comparison.

Comet
17th May 2006, 01:03 AM
Gosh I want to buy this badly, but I have vowed never to buy a Rev A.... I guess I&#39;ll give it a month before a purchase.

What the?&#33; It doesn&#39;t come with a Mini-DVI to DVI connector&#33; That is annoying.

Woodsey
17th May 2006, 01:08 AM
Anyone care to speculate how well this will play warcraft?

Im used to playing it on a g4 powermac with a 64 meg ATI graphics card.

World of Warcraft, that is&#33;

forgie
17th May 2006, 01:24 AM
What 64 Meg ATI card? My guesstimate is that the 950 will probably be slightly worse then a 9200 in most games, slightly better in others. I haven&#39;t really perused gaming benchmarks in a while, so that could be a bit off....

GregA
17th May 2006, 04:11 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(iSlayer &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;59 PM) 172611</div>

the screens just have a "glass" look to them
its probably only an issue for whiners who probably havent even seen one ;)
[/b]

Does that mean the screens look VERY similar to the latest iPods?

vargz
17th May 2006, 07:09 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comet &#064; May 17 2006, 12&#58;33 AM) 172687</div>

What the?&#33; It doesn&#39;t come with a Mini-DVI to DVI connector&#33; That is annoying.
[/b]

That&#39;s right, seems they haven&#39;t included the adapters for outputting to DVI and VGA. They are available at &#036;35 a piece. More cost savings by Apple :rolleyes:

jerrah
17th May 2006, 07:14 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(iSlayer &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;59 PM) 172611</div>

its not
the screens just have a "glass" look to them
its probably only an issue for whiners who probably havent even seen one ;)
[/b]
Have you used one? The &#39;glass look&#39; suffers horribly from glare, I could never understand why anyone would want their screen like that. Notice the higher end Pro doesn&#39;t have the &#39;glass look&#39;? Turn the light on in the room or use the laptop outside and be prepared to not be able to see the screen.

mechcon
17th May 2006, 07:18 AM
well, for someone who doesn&#39;t give a damn, im shocked&#33; :o

hawker
17th May 2006, 07:33 AM
It&#39;s great it has DVI and VGA support, stupid you have to pay extra for the fricken adapter.

And I disagree, sure this is very good in terms of money vs. dell, but when you look at another brand like Asus, who made the 12" powerbooks for apple, they have basically the same computer for less&#33; Same screen size, same hard drive, I think it might only have 1.83ghz intel core duo but it is being speed bumped, and having a price drop. I will look around to see if I can find the info&#33;

nard
17th May 2006, 07:34 AM
I&#39;m afraid I have to join the chorus bemoaning the introduction of glossy screens. :(

I&#39;m prepared to reserve judgement, however, until I actually see a MacBook with my own eyes. Thus, there will be no ordering over the web by me.

QueenOfSwords
17th May 2006, 07:37 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Woodsey &#064; May 17 2006, 01&#58;08 AM) 172689</div>

Anyone care to speculate how well this will play warcraft?

Im used to playing it on a g4 powermac with a 64 meg ATI graphics card.

World of Warcraft, that is&#33;
[/b]

I suspect it will play horribly, which is why I&#39;m sulking about it. Great &#39;book, pants graphic card.

Should be exactly like the Mini Core Duo.

(I was really hoping I wouldn&#39;t have to save up for a MBP... I can afford a MB next month, but looks like it didn&#39;t work out that way. *mutter*)

Squozen
17th May 2006, 07:41 AM
Did you really think it would differ at all from the Mac mini in specs? Honestly?

CaptainComic
17th May 2006, 07:48 AM
I&#39;m disapointed the specs are higher than the Mac Mini. I would have liked to have seen cheaper models with a 1.5Ghz Core Solo or 1.66 Core Duo.

I have a 1.66 Core Duo Mac Mini at the moment and its incredibly fast&#33; 1.66 is more than enough for what I would use it for.

QueenOfSwords
17th May 2006, 07:49 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squozen &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;41 AM) 172718</div>

Did you really think it would differ at all from the Mac mini in specs? Honestly?
[/b]
I hoped it would. I hoped they&#39;d have a high-end equivalent to that Sony Core Duo system with the Nvidia card. It didn&#39;t work out that way, unfortunately.

And the Black MacBook is definitely intended as the 12" PB replacement, because on the Apple store the 12" PB has Ceased To Exist.

hawker
17th May 2006, 07:50 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squozen &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;11 AM) 172718</div>

Did you really think it would differ at all from the Mac mini in specs? Honestly?
[/b]

I had a think about that and apple did say they were chasing the portable market (hence they brought the 17" out orginally). So keeping the chips fast will probably keep people running for them. However, the iMac and iBook *now MacBook* were always about the same, or close specs, so it makes sense to have the same chips in the macbook as the iMac.

However, this is the downfall of the intel switch, they&#39;re going to have to keep demanding faster chips from Intel quickly to move the MacBookPro ahead (and soon enough they will be back in line like everyone else - Dell, HP etc). They need to give people a reason to chose a &#036;5000 computer over a &#036;1800 - saying, you get a 120GB HD instead of a 60GB HD will only last so long.

And I am not impressed with the dodgy graphics in the MacBook - come on Apple&#33;

Rayd
17th May 2006, 07:53 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawker &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;50 AM) 172724</div>

I had a think about that and apple did say they were chasing the portable market (hence they brought the 17" out orginally). So keeping the chips fast will probably keep people running for them. However, the iMac and iBook *now MacBook* were always about the same, or close specs, so it makes sense to have the same chips in the macbook as the iMac.

However, this is the downfall of the intel switch, they&#39;re going to have to keep demanding faster chips from Intel quickly to move the MacBookPro ahead (and soon enough they will be back in line like everyone else - Dell, HP etc). They need to give people a reason to chose a &#036;5000 computer over a &#036;1800 - saying, you get a 120GB HD instead of a 60GB HD will only last so long.

And I am not impressed with the dodgy graphics in the MacBook - come on Apple&#33;
[/b]

you will see the macbook will die when it comes to graphics due to the POOR graphics card. just look at the similarly specced specs of the mac mini. it gets around 13fps on doom3. while the macbook pro and iMac (from there superior graphics card) get 40-60fps.

CaptainComic
17th May 2006, 07:55 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawker &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;50 AM) 172724</div>


However, this is the downfall of the intel switch, they&#39;re going to have to keep demanding faster chips from Intel quickly to move the MacBookPro ahead (and soon enough they will be back in line like everyone else - Dell, HP etc). They need to give people a reason to chose a &#036;5000 computer over a &#036;1800 - saying, you get a 120GB HD instead of a 60GB HD will only last so long.

And I am not impressed with the dodgy graphics in the MacBook - come on Apple&#33;
[/b]

I think the market for each is quite well defined.
If you want an ultra portable with a decent amount of power then get the MacBook.
If you want a desktop replacement with some serious dedicated graphics go the MacBookPro.

The graphics + cpu increase from MacBook to MackBookPro make the Pro worthwhile if you need that much graphics power.

thomas
17th May 2006, 08:01 AM
I want a black one.

hawker
17th May 2006, 08:04 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CaptainComic &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;25 AM) 172726</div>

I think the market for each is quite well defined.
If you want an ultra portable with a decent amount of power then get the MacBook.
If you want a desktop replacement with some serious dedicated graphics go the MacBookPro.
[/b]

It seems silly to kill a decent machine in one area though. It would not have killed them to put a low end power horse in the machine.

It&#39;s rather pointless when other brands have better speced machines for the same and if not lower price&#33;

QueenOfSwords
17th May 2006, 08:06 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawker &#064; May 17 2006, 08&#58;04 AM) 172728</div>

It seems silly to kill a decent machine in one area though. It would not have killed them to put a low end power horse in the machine.

It&#39;s rather pointless when other brands have better speced machines for the same and if not lower price&#33;
[/b]

So close... yet so far.

With a decent GPU the MacBook would be a killer little machine.

But as my WoW FPS would actually go *down* if I bought this machine.. no. Hell no.

<_<

I&#39;m currently using a G4 12" iBook

purana
17th May 2006, 08:08 AM
Bloody Apple..

Now I have to deal with the reseller to get my wifes 1.83 which hasn&#39;t been paid for changed to a 2.0, since we wont be accepting it even if my works salary sac payment comes through today. I wont be picking it up should it happen.

Damn Apple...

Although had reseller not stuffed me around for 1-2 weeks with a quote, then I would of probably already got the machine and had to suck it. But now I dont.. just going to have to work hard for it.

Whats this buyer protection from apple if you purchase a machine within 10 days and they speed bump you can opt to get the speed bump. I cant find reference to any buyer protection against this, but my wife swears she has seen it discussed.

OziMac
17th May 2006, 08:22 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jerrah &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;14 AM) 172710</div>

Notice the higher end Pro doesn&#39;t have the &#39;glass look&#39;?[/b]

How many times do we have to say it?

The MacBook Pro does come with the option of a &#39;glass&#39; look at no extra cost. Obviously it&#39;s not a professional/consumer distinction, but a matter of taste. You don&#39;t like it - then don&#39;t use it.

Danamania
17th May 2006, 08:26 AM
I hadn&#39;t realised they&#39;re (the black one at least) matte black - The limited look I&#39;ve had around apple&#39;s site made them look glossy.

http://looprumors.com/macbookphotos.php

http://images.appleinsider.com/macbook-4.jpg has a closer look at that different keyboard too.

dana

dshan
17th May 2006, 08:26 AM
For those of you old enough to remember - They&#39;ve got a chiclet keyboard (http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/dictionary/detail.asp?guid=&searchtype=1&DicID=16713&RefType=Encyclopedia)&#33;
The PCjr lives&#33;

Hopefully the keyboard works better than that old clunker.

fompsweeva
17th May 2006, 08:52 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(danamania &#064; May 17 2006, 08&#58;26 AM) 172737</div>

I hadn&#39;t realised they&#39;re (the black one at least) matte black - The limited look I&#39;ve had around apple&#39;s site made them look glossy.

http://looprumors.com/macbookphotos.php

http://images.appleinsider.com/macbook-4.jpg has a closer look at that different keyboard too.

dana
[/b]

http://looprumors.com/media/newblackmacbook/IMG_0366.jpg

Love that glare&#33;

gizo
17th May 2006, 08:59 AM
Wow. It supports a full 2gig of RAM, but they give you 2x256meg sticks....
Now that&#39;s cost-cutting...

mechcon
17th May 2006, 09:20 AM
the keys dont light up in the dark do they?

McMullet
17th May 2006, 09:21 AM
Maybe they&#39;re saving the better graphics card for the 13" MBP. If Apple added a dedicated card to the MB, then not much would differentiate the "budget" model and the "pro" model.

And I think they pulled the PB from the store because it would just be embarrassing to have the performance of the "Power"book so easily beaten by the the MacBook. Plus, I reckon the black MB is a "temporary" replacement for 13" PB. When it does get released, my 12" PB will be up for sale. :D

cgollner
17th May 2006, 09:21 AM
Hmm. This is not what I wanted Apple&#33;. Where is the 12/13" Pro version. Long live my PB12".
Black/white its all the same, its all plastic. I want my metal and I want it small.

Not Happy.

markh
17th May 2006, 09:24 AM
Anyone want to buy a 12" Powerbook 1.33Ghz with 768MB ram, 80Gig harddrive and combo drive? ;-)

Heidi-Lee
17th May 2006, 09:25 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(McMullet &#064; May 17 2006, 09&#58;21 AM) 172748</div>

Maybe they&#39;re saving the better graphics card for the 13" MBP. If Apple added a dedicated card to the MB, then not much would differentiate the "budget" model and the "pro" model.

And I think they pulled the PB from the store because it would just be embarrassing to have the performance of the "Power"book so easily beaten by the the MacBook. Plus, I reckon the black MB is a "temporary" replacement for 13" PB. When it does get released, my 12" PB will be up for sale. :D
[/b]

I would be very suprised if we see a 13" MBP. I think they would have come out with the Macbook if there was going to be one.

mechcon
17th May 2006, 09:29 AM
of course the pb is a slug compared to the mbp (in general applications) we dont need to be told that 1046 times :P

decryption
17th May 2006, 09:34 AM
Check out the keyboard:

http://static.flickr.com/56/147732467_d739f98725_b.jpg

Hopefully it doesn&#39;t feel like crap :(

hawker
17th May 2006, 09:38 AM
It looks a bit crap decryption - but we could be wrong.

Does anyone know if the speakers are in the same place as they are with the 12" powerbook?

marc
17th May 2006, 10:03 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fompsweeva &#064; May 16 2006, 11&#58;07 PM) 172616</div>

It&#39;s a matter of preference.

It&#39;s popular to have a glossy screen in PC notebooks. I find it cheap looking and unattractive, especially when you catch a glimpse of yourself in the reflection.

Not to mention the glare. It&#39;s the difference between getting gloss or matt prints from film.
[/b]
Personally, the glossy screen means INSTANT DISMISSAL for me. I don&#39;t care what other features it has, the reflections and glare make it completely useless. There&#39;s no way I&#39;ll EVER buy a mac laptop with a glossy screen (so maybe my MBP will be the last one I buy).

I&#39;m really disappointed by this. The thing is, I know it&#39;s a fad... it&#39;ll be over in 2 years. Why did Apple have to follow all the other laptop manufacturers? It&#39;s going to be completely useless for design work and retouching.

I&#39;m really, really disappointed by this. I hope the MBP&#39;s don&#39;t follow.

Edit :: From the Apple online store... 17" MBP "At no extra charge, you can choose a glossy widescreen display that lets you view graphics, photos, and videos with greater color saturation."

:thumbdn: :cry:

Say it isn&#39;t so.

the_cripple
17th May 2006, 10:06 AM
Since they are out now I have to justify buying one :P the white ibook 2.0 core duo is the front runner as I cant really justify the price hike for the black one, though I must admit it looks good.

Lissay
17th May 2006, 10:14 AM
I&#39;m a bit perplexed by the design choices. That keyboard looks a bit 1989 in the photo. However, I shall pass better judgement when I see one in the &#39;flesh&#39;. Bit of an anti-climax, especially with the cost cutting they&#39;ve done. That&#39;s very &#39;Dell&#39; of them.

marc
17th May 2006, 10:16 AM
Another note about glossy screens: I used to use a 21" Sony Trinitron (a long time ago), and moving to an Apple 20" wide LCD was the most amazing transition. The screen was so much better. The biggest change by far was the difference between gloss finish (Trinitron CRT) and matte finish (Apple LCD).

It&#39;s scary, but I&#39;m really upset by this.

vargz
17th May 2006, 10:20 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Heidi&#045;Lee &#064; May 17 2006, 08&#58;55 AM) 172752</div>

I would be very suprised if we see a 13" MBP. I think they would have come out with the Macbook if there was going to be one.
[/b]
The notebook range is complete...for now.

The black MB seems to be Apple&#39;s answer to the loss of the 12" PB, so in effect they are telling consumers that an extra 20GB HDD, black shell and &#036;300 premium will provide you with an ultra-portable pro machine to replace your 12" PB. A few people will buy the black MB, but I think the 2GHZ white model will be the pic of the bunch. No matter which way you look at it though it&#39;s still a consumer machine.

I believe at the next or following revision, the black/premium MB will be dropped (though black shells may become an option for the current spec white MBs) and the 13" MBP (yes... 13" MacBook Pro) will be born with the pro specs it deserves&#33;

icant
17th May 2006, 10:22 AM
Anyone notice that the Firewire port is backwards/upside down?

http://www.apple.com/au/macbook/design.html

The machine seems a little heavy, to be the current lightest portable Macintosh. Pity. Reminds me of the first iBook, that was heavier than the then Wallstreet PowerBook G3.

Frankly, Apple at this stage can (up to a point) release whatever they want. There is so much pent up demand for faster machines, that they won’t have much trouble selling Macs with reasonably low specs for reasonably high prices.

The rev B/C/D 15" MBP will have FW800. The rev B MB, will probably be lighter, and allow a choice of matte vs glossy screens. And they’ll be cheaper too.

Nice machines though. Bravo.

purana
17th May 2006, 10:39 AM
Anyone want a service guide? :)

Also it appears my wife will get the 2.0 bottom end 15" mbp rather then the 1.83 we had been quoted.. just as well the funds didnt clear until today and it had not been invoiced yet. Which means the reseller will swap it over and give us a 2.0 when it comes in.

I am off to pickup my mac mini duo and usb modem as those 2 items I can get now, will hopefully have mbp 2.0 early next week?

scruffie
17th May 2006, 10:55 AM
Omg i dont connect to the internet for TWO days and this happens? :lol:

I&#39;m pretty pleased with the macbook offerings. They seem pretty competitive to me. But again, like the others, i&#39;m not too sure about the glossy screen and the keyboard. I like the feel of my keyboard. BUT so many of my friends have been hanging out for this. Yay - more people on iChat.

Plus, to the <strike>whore</strike> friend who ignored my advice and bought a HP, i&#39;ll stick it to them :)

spilla
17th May 2006, 11:01 AM
damn....i knew i should have waited another 5 months before i bought my new iBook.....ah well....i&#39;ll just have to get a job :)

bartron
17th May 2006, 11:15 AM
damn...so tempting...but glossy screen :blink: bleh

Will reserve judgement on the keyboard until I play with one at the apple store.

someonestolecc
17th May 2006, 11:37 AM
1. I feel sorry for those who bought a whirring, overheating, clicking 1.8ghz MBP that&#39;s now been speed bumped out only a couple of months after release.

2. Where&#39;s my 12" PB replacement? The black shell for &#036;200+ is lame and the video isn&#39;t a 12" POWER replacement.. maybe that&#39;s why they don&#39;t call it a powerbook anymore. Let&#39;s hope you guys are right with a MBP 13" and black cases for all will come.

3. Hopefully they&#39;ll have a no clear option so everyone will be happy.

4. They may as well let you have the option of not buying ram from them as well as dropping the superdrive/80g hdd from the top model :&#092;

5. Does this mean my 12" PB for sale has increased or decreased in value? :P

pipsqeek
17th May 2006, 12:10 PM
The Glassy screen is crap.

I&#39;ve seen them (not the Mac book) in real life, everything freaking reflects off it, you can&#39;t see a freakin thing.

The reason why images on the screen look nicer with the glossy screen is the same reason I can laminate poo, and make it look "clearer" and nicer. But in actual fact, you can&#39;t tell because you&#39;re too busy trying to dodge the glare coming off that window in your office, or school. etc.

I started to warm to the Intel switch. I would have considered upgrading my current iBook to this one, but those screen annoy the crap out of me.

Heidi-Lee
17th May 2006, 12:19 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(someonestolecc &#064; May 17 2006, 11&#58;37 AM) 172810</div>

1. I feel sorry for those who bought a whirring, overheating, clicking 1.8ghz MBP that&#39;s now been speed bumped out only a couple of months after release.

[/b]

Luckily for me I had ordered one but it hadnt been paid for or collect yet (salary sac) so I will now be getting a 2.0ghz model :)

The Fluffy Duck
17th May 2006, 12:23 PM
wow those price hikes are HUGE. Unlike the old G4 laptops of a year ago.

May I say Evil intergrated graphics card. EVIL. Couldnt care less about HD streaming it will still use onboard ram not dedicated and regardless off the chips power it will be slow becasue of that one fact.

the_cripple
17th May 2006, 12:26 PM
After doing a bit of thinking im a little hesitent to order one straight up ater the heat issues with the MBP. Anyone heard/read of any problems?

mechcon
17th May 2006, 12:28 PM
I wonder what problems the REVISION A macbooks will have :P

forno
17th May 2006, 12:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OziMac &#064; May 16 2006, 10&#58;46 PM) 172592</div>



All with Intel GMA 950 unfortunately :(
[/b]


?? Tell me more?

Mike V
17th May 2006, 12:54 PM
I ordered a Black one this morning.

Yes, I did pay and extra &#036;200 just to get black and I do feel a bit silly about it.

Actually you can order the MacBook Pros with a glossy monitor now.

Kildare
17th May 2006, 12:57 PM
Why does Australia pay over &#036;300(AU) more than the US for the base model? :blink:
&#036;1099(US) vs &#036;1749(AU)

Mike V
17th May 2006, 01:05 PM
It&#39;s not A&#036;300.


If you spec the white one with the same hard drive, it comes to A&#036;210 (including GST) more.

Burnsy
17th May 2006, 01:09 PM
Question: Is it a DL SuperDrive? On Apple Tech Specs it is misleading. It says "Slot-loading SuperDrive with double-layer read support (DVD+R DL/DVDRW/CD-RW)" What tha??

It says read support and then they specify DVD+R DL. Anyone confirm that it is a DL SuperDrive.

Thanks

bartron
17th May 2006, 01:17 PM
for all those wondering what the screen will look like see here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pealco/147623342/in/set-72057594136649292/)

Also regards to the black being more expensive....aparantly it is made from a different material than the white MacBook (i.e. it isn&#39;t just a white MacBook with black paint)...this is to help resist scratching or something

Bartron

mechcon
17th May 2006, 01:34 PM
and illuminated keyboards?

Thom
17th May 2006, 01:34 PM
Is the power adaptor the same as the MB-Pro? I seem to remember that MacBook Pro using a 65 watt adaptor whereas this says it&#39;s only 60 Watt....

mwot
17th May 2006, 01:47 PM
The perfect little playmate for my iMac G5.

There&#39;s been a &#39;bit&#39; of negativity around the integrated graphics and glossy display. I&#39;m not so much fussed by the screen. For the graphics tho, if I&#39;m not intending to use this machine for 3d accerlerated gaming, graphically intensive software or be connecting it to an external monitor ... are there any real issues?

I&#39;m wanting to compliment my home setup, after all.

Galumay
17th May 2006, 01:52 PM
thanx apple&#33; just made my decision a bit harder. i already have a late model 15" PB when the 15" MBP came out i thought, ok i will grab one of them. decided to wait a bit and see if they if the things like &#39;S&#39; video and extra firewire came back in, then they release the 17" MBP and i thought, mm i will grab one of them, looks better specs than the 15" and i can use it as the main &#39;pooter at home and travel with the 15"PB, now they release the 13" macbooks - in sexy black and although the specs arent quite there i am sorely tempted&#33;&#33;

whats a man to do??

the big drawback for the macbooks for me is probably the screen - i would use it outside quite a bit and the gloss screen is crap for that.

sooooo....maybe i am back at the 17" MBP??

matrixgeek
17th May 2006, 02:25 PM
Dumb question - has Bootcamp been confirmed to work on the MacBooks? This will sway my decision...

purana
17th May 2006, 02:38 PM
Bootcamp should work on all Intel based macs as far as I know..

Anyways I better go open that mac mini duo ;) just got back from reseller..

Georgina EG
17th May 2006, 03:35 PM
If the glossy reflecting screen is such a problem, will Apple not take any notice of the bad rection by Apple lovers and offer a matt finish?

morgs
17th May 2006, 04:04 PM
Anyone know when these will be in the shops?

loc04t
17th May 2006, 04:06 PM
did they release details on weight and battery time?

matrixgeek
17th May 2006, 04:09 PM
Burnsy - Dual Layer read only - not write. Just checked the developer notes.

wilba
17th May 2006, 04:14 PM
Sorry if anyone has posted this before, but the price of upgrading the RAM to 2GB= &#036;790&#33;&#33;&#33;

luke_in_tas
17th May 2006, 04:22 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(loc04t &#064; May 17 2006, 04&#58;06 PM) 172902</div>

did they release details on weight and battery time?
[/b]


According to the Apple site:

Size and weight
Height: 2.75 cm (1.08 inches)
Width: 32.5 cm (12.78 inches)
Depth: 22.7 cm (8.92 inches)
Weight: 2.36 kg (5.2 pounds)

MacBook offers up to 6 hours of battery life. (Up to 2.5 hours of DVD playback, and up to 3.5 hours with wireless turned on.)

purana
17th May 2006, 04:25 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgs &#064; May 17 2006, 04&#58;04 PM) 172901</div>

Anyone know when these will be in the shops?
[/b]

Depends on shops... although macmall/maccentric in chatswood hopes to have a demo unit tomorrow or Friday... followed by stock around the same time.

Muzza_77
17th May 2006, 04:34 PM
I am doing work experience at an applecentre next week, it will be so cool if the macbook came during that week.

graemie
17th May 2006, 04:44 PM
There&#39;s a nice looking comparison table of all the Apple laptops HERE (http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/comparison_chart.html)

titan44
17th May 2006, 05:00 PM
power in ivanhoe quoted me in about 2 weeks.

hawker
17th May 2006, 05:04 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(graemie &#064; May 17 2006, 04&#58;14 PM) 172922</div>

There&#39;s a nice looking comparison table of all the Apple laptops HERE (http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/comparison_chart.html)
[/b]

Intersting - I thought the MacBookPro had a 65 Watt - according to that page 85W MagSafe Power Adapter? Random&#33;

Still it probably needs it with a high end video card etc&#33;

tommelbourne
17th May 2006, 05:56 PM
While i had occasionally glanced at the glassy screens of some Windoze laptops in the shops, i had never really paid that much attention - after all, who actually looks at Windoze machines any more&#33; However, with today&#39;s announcement, i figured i might go and have a look at some in DSE to see what all the fuss was about. Now i know. The glare is bloody annoying&#33; It gives the entire laptop a crappy, plasticy look. Bad, Apple, bad&#33;

Ozi
17th May 2006, 06:02 PM
Hawker: MBP is 85W, MB is lower powered 60W one.

Kildare
17th May 2006, 06:02 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mike V &#064; May 17 2006, 01&#58;05 PM) 172844</div>

It&#39;s not A&#036;300.
If you spec the white one with the same hard drive, it comes to A&#036;210 (including GST) more.
[/b]

The base model US price is &#036;1099 (US) which is ~&#036;1425
The exact same base model here is &#036;1749 - which is a difference of ~&#036;325.

Even with GST it is still over priced & the strong AU dollar obviously means nothing to Apple.

scruffie
17th May 2006, 06:07 PM
Just wondering, apple quotes a battery life for the mbp of 4.5 hours and the battery life of the mb of 6 hours. whats the main reason for the extra consumption???

iSlayer
17th May 2006, 06:08 PM
graphics,bigger screen.keyboard light sensor....

invisible
17th May 2006, 06:30 PM
although the macbooks are the first release, would apple have sorted out all the bugs/problems with the macbook pro&#39;s? can we rest assured that the the early adopters wont be plagued with issues?

scruffie
17th May 2006, 06:31 PM
*slaps forehead* of course&#33;

I miss the longer battery life. Good for flights...

Oooh so tempting at the moment....

Mountain/\Ash
17th May 2006, 07:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(purana &#064; May 17 2006, 04&#58;25 PM) 172917</div>

Depends on shops... although macmall/maccentric in chatswood hopes to have a demo unit tomorrow or Friday... followed by stock around the same time.
[/b]

That&#39;s not what they told me when I rang them this morning. "Eight to ten" weeks they told me.

Anyway, I would strongly suggest you do not by from this store (Chatswood) as it is the worse Apple store I have ever delt with; there sales staff only know the basics, they are take forever to service Macs and they don&#39;t even fix them. I waited over a month for an iMac power adaptor when later (when the original symptoms returned) NextByte did a proper check and discovered I needed a new mother board. Thanks for wasting my time for over a month MacCentric :angry:

paulharrop
17th May 2006, 07:12 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kildare &#064; May 17 2006, 06&#58;02 PM) 172949</div>

The base model US price is &#036;1099 (US) which is ~&#036;1425
The exact same base model here is &#036;1749 - which is a difference of ~&#036;325.

Even with GST it is still over priced & the strong AU dollar obviously means nothing to Apple.
[/b]

Apple OZ are still probably trying to make up the &#036;20 million they lost over the Buzzle group collapse a few years ago.

eudaemons
17th May 2006, 07:12 PM
Mountain/&#092;Ash,

dont mention applecentre names when complaining about something - its bad for appletalk.com.au amazingly.

wheres disko when u need him? lol

marc
17th May 2006, 07:15 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Georgina EG &#064; May 17 2006, 03&#58;35 PM) 172895</div>

If the glossy reflecting screen is such a problem, will Apple not take any notice of the bad rection by Apple lovers and offer a matt finish?
[/b]
I really hope so. I honestly meant it when I said I&#39;d never buy a laptop with a glossy screen (I&#39;m assuming the finish is the same as the PC laptops I&#39;ve seen).

purana
17th May 2006, 07:38 PM
Oh well...

Its not like i wanted a macbook anyways... they will have a demo unit this week though. I am sure thats correct. As to the models they were getting this week or early next, I imagine they were referring to the units to which are going to replace all those ibooks that were probably ordered for customers that have not yet picked up or been invoiced. Who knows. So maybe they will be getting those machines before they get sold to joe public.

As long as they get my wifes macbook pro 2.0 then its all good.

Never dealt with them for servicing so can&#39;t comment.

As to sales, I dont go in asking questions. I know what I want, I merely get them to do me a quote. This year I didn&#39;t have a good a experience getting that quote, but that soon changed once I started to deal with the owner/manager. Met him today for the first time after I picked up part of my order (mac mini duo 1.66 and usb modem).

As to Nextbyte, I&#39;ve had bad experiences with them in the past, as well as umm Mac1, who did a botch job on a 3 week old Powerbook 12" just last year. It ended up being replaced for a new unit thats how bad the repair job was. Pictures will eventually be posted by to my gallery when I get around to it, but do a search on the forum here and you will be sure to find my discussion about the worst repair I&#39;ve ever had the experience to see. I&#39;ve done the training from apple and been certified and hell I could of done a better job. WOuldn&#39;t of dared return the machine as it was to customer..

ialienam
17th May 2006, 07:50 PM
a couple of mine friends want to get a mac, and one has limited budget, so will probably just get a 2nd hand iBook..

Another is after stylish case, by looking on MB pic~~ damn.. it really looks like a 80&#39;s computer&#33;&#33; but, it is just me, and want to see it in person.. This week at most sydney&#39;s shops&#33;?

I think MB has served most/exceed of my expectations..
Same CPU speed as the entry-level MBP
5400rpm

But..
2x256MB RAM&#33;&#33;
Shared video memory~~

I agreed with what some people said, they need something to put on 13 MBP (if they were ever going to have one, which I belive they will..Look on most forums, the market is there)..

Or to be honest, I think it&#39;s very stupid not having more options for black MB..

I mean Black MB is just about as powerful as 15 MBP (entry-level), it&#39;s a bit hard to fill the gap between this two.. But if Apple would let us customerised Black MB, let&#39;s aluminium case, better video memory..then it&#39;s just as good as 13 MBP..

btw, is it possible to change MB case to aluminium??

forgie
17th May 2006, 07:57 PM
Looking on this page: http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/c...ison_chart.html (http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/comparison_chart.html)

You can see that all apple laptops now support "Lid Closed Mode". That&#39;s pretty nice, since you could never safely do that with an iBook - "lid closed = fried LCD" in the past.

anthony
17th May 2006, 08:42 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(paulharrop &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;12 PM) 172969</div>

Apple OZ are still probably trying to make up the &#036;20 million they lost over the Buzzle group collapse a few years ago.
[/b]

I have always found Macs in the US are cheaper, maybe because that is where all their computers are shipped to first so they save with freight? Prices in Europe often seem to be the most, when converting all the prices back to Aust. dollars that is..

luke_in_tas
17th May 2006, 08:49 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(anthony &#064; May 17 2006, 08&#58;42 PM) 173029</div>

I have always found Macs in the US are cheaper, maybe because that is where all their computers are shipped to first so they save with freight? Prices in Europe often seem to be the most, when converting all the prices back to Aust. dollars that is..
[/b]

I don&#39;t think it is a shipping issue. I think it is simply that Apple are a US company, and when they set their pricing they leave enough of a margin in foreign markets that they won&#39;t get hurt if the exchange rates move. At the moment they are making extra from Australian customers, but if our dollar dropped they would make less than they do now, and I guess that they want to make sure they never end up making less than they would on their US sales.

If they set their pricing in a way that was more response to exchange rates it would be harder for Australian resellers, as their cost price might be different between the time they buy stock and the time they sell it. So they could end up getting hurt. So this higher margin to Apple would also give Australian resellers some stability and security.

dshan
17th May 2006, 08:54 PM
I really think the keyboard is likely to be more of a problem than the glossy screens. Those keys appear to be _flat_, completely flat, with no thought given to touch typing ergonomics.

While it&#39;s good to see Apple lowering the keys so the tops are below/level with the frame to protect the screen it&#39;s unbelievable they have apparently failed to realise that the keytops must be concave for touch typing. To my knowledge there has never been a successful PC with this sort of keyboard (aside from the disaster of IBM&#39;s PCjr there were also various Amstrad and other el cheapo fsckups using these sort of chiclet keyboards). At least they have retained the raised dots/bars on the F and J keys, but a proper touch typing layout requires more than just those.

The only thing wrong with the G3 iBook keyboards as compared to those on the Al G4 PBs (I&#39;ve got both so I know) was that the iBook&#39;s flexed a bit due to the KB being removable, but it wasn&#39;t bad. Just not superb like the PB. Instead of making a few small changes to a basically sound design they&#39;ve changed the whole thing and may well have made it much worse (I&#39;ll reserve final judgement until I&#39;ve had a chance to try the new keyboards in the shop).

Uber_Kosh
17th May 2006, 09:06 PM
Is it just me (and forgive me if this has been raised previously - no time to trawl through 7 pages :P) but is an additional &#036;300 worth it for the extra 20GB HDD space, and the black colour scheme? You could buy a fairly large external (or internal) HDD with more than 20GB for that price. It seems as though you&#39;re paying extra just for a shiny new black MacBook.

Comet
17th May 2006, 09:24 PM
http://www.kodawarisan.com/macbook/macbook001.html
These guys have already dismantled one.... which means that Apple Store has them in stock&#33;&#33;&#33; Me going to the Osaka store tomorrow&#33; :D

Quasar
17th May 2006, 09:34 PM
Wahoo&#33;

One thing I&#39;m wondering...would I actually notice the speed diff between 1.83 and 2.0 much?

Quasar
17th May 2006, 09:39 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(someonestolecc &#064; May 17 2006, 11&#58;37 AM) 172810</div>

1. I feel sorry for those who bought a whirring, overheating, clicking 1.8ghz MBP that&#39;s now been speed bumped out only a couple of months after release.[/b]

Mac people better get used to this. Thats how its is in the x86 world.

Mountain/\Ash
17th May 2006, 10:19 PM
I just found this while searching searching for "MacBook" on Google Video (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=macbook+-pro).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=55...54226&q=macbook (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=556546842242054226&q=macbook)

I can&#39;t believe that this has been on Google for nearly a month. The predictions were pretty on the mark.

the_cripple
18th May 2006, 12:56 AM
After looking at the black macbook again Im starting to like it alot. Though im having a hard time swallowing the price jump between it and the white macbook.

downsys
18th May 2006, 01:47 AM
people shouldn&#39;t complain based only on assumption. unless you&#39;ve seen it in the flesh and had a play with it, don&#39;t go saying the screen&#39;s gonna be useless (even if other pcs with glossy screens are pretty much annoying), or the keyboard&#39;s gonna be shite, or whatever.

and people keep saying a 13" MBP would be perfect and all, but i&#39;ll bet &#036;1749 that if/once they release a 13" MBP, the same people will continue complaining. (what, only 128mb memory? but i need 256mb...blabla)

like it, get it. don&#39;t like it, shove it.

adam89
18th May 2006, 02:10 AM
about the speed bump on the macbook pros, i bought mine last week&#33; very angry&#33; but honestly do not care because what is an extra 170mhz going to do, i mean honestly&#33; i run the thing at 1ghz most of the time anyways...

Heidi-Lee
18th May 2006, 06:34 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maj3stic &#064; May 18 2006, 02&#58;10 AM) 173106</div>

about the speed bump on the macbook pros, i bought mine last week&#33; very angry&#33; but honestly do not care because what is an extra 170mhz going to do, i mean honestly&#33; i run the thing at 1ghz most of the time anyways...
[/b]

I had 1.83ghz on order (as I see from your signature you have). I was given the option of taking that at the reduced price or getting the 2.0ghz. I am getting the 2.0ghz (who wouldnt) but in your situation I am pretty sure you would be eligible for the &#036;200 refund under Apple&#39;s price protection. Worth a phone call anyways.

anarchron
18th May 2006, 07:22 AM
What the hell is up with Apple choosing the Intel GMA graphics chip? That&#39;s even slower than my PowerBook G4&#39;s GeForce FX 5200.

samuelclarke
18th May 2006, 07:37 AM
How much do graphics chips (GPU&#39;s) cost? I mean, they didn&#39;t have to use the x1600, just something better than the Intel GMA. I don&#39;t think that a GF FX5200 or a ATi 9600 would&#39;ve cost that much, and it would&#39;ve kept everyone happy.

Unless Intel is giving the GMA chips for free to Apple bundled with the Core Duo.

marc
18th May 2006, 09:03 AM
http://media.arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.media/mb-mirror-setup.jpg
http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2006/5/16/4004

Looks like the glossy screens are as bad as the PC ones. Damn.

Not a good sign&#33; Apple, PLEASE provide an option for matte screens. Has anyone seen glossy non-laptop LCD displays? I&#39;d be devastated if Apple switched to glossy for the cinema displays.

someonestolecc
18th May 2006, 10:04 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(morgs &#064; May 17 2006, 04&#58;04 PM) 172901</div>

Anyone know when these will be in the shops?
[/b]

Nextbyte Clarence Street, Sydney said 1-2weeks.

I&#39;m suprised they didn&#39;t even have demos so people could place orders :huh:


Also - does anyone know what this will do to current 12" prices? I was valuing my PB 12" at about &#036;1600 but now?? (please reply here (http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=19781)

gizo
18th May 2006, 10:11 AM
Any sightings in/around Melbourne yet? I&#39;m itching to play with one, before I make a final decision... MacBook vs. MacBookPro.... hmmmm.......

purana
18th May 2006, 10:26 AM
Hey found this, might be interesting for others..

Boot Camp Beta lets you install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. However, Windows XP may
not install correctly on a MacBook (13-inch) when an Apple Mighty Mouse is plugged in. Use the
MacBook (13-inch)’s built in trackpad until after Windows XP is installed and Windows recognizes
the trackpad.

Believe the same problem happens on the Macbook Pro&#39;s as per kb303575 on apple site.

mechcon
18th May 2006, 10:33 AM
im glad to see the features in the macbook, i predict that the macbook pro which i will get in 2 years time, will have those funky features all included, with all the bugs ironed out *kicks back and does a cheerful/relaxing sigh* :D

bartron
18th May 2006, 10:45 AM
I don&#39;t get all the people going "OMGWTF onboard graphics...aaahh"

The Macbooks (and Mac Mini) are entry level devices. Designed for Internet browsing, word processing, some iPhoto stuff etc. These are not gaming rigs. If you want a gaming rig, get a MBP or wait for the new Powermacs (or buy a PC).

No-one in PC land complains that their laptop has onboard graphics...they spend the extra money and get one with a dedicated gfx card or they buy/build a desktop computer.

Bartron

luke_in_tas
18th May 2006, 10:48 AM
For those concerned about the glossy screen of the new MacBook, The HDTV Tuner reports that the screen has an anti-reflective coating. It infers that reflections aren&#39;t a huge problem. It states that only "in some lighting conditions, it reflects enough to be distracting".

See the article here: http://www.the-hdtv-tuner.com/mobile-hdtv-media-center.html

mwot
18th May 2006, 10:57 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;45 AM) 173190</div>

I don&#39;t get all the people going "OMGWTF onboard graphics...aaahh"

The Macbooks (and Mac Mini) are entry level devices. Designed for Internet browsing, word processing, some iPhoto stuff etc. These are not gaming rigs. If you want a gaming rig, get a MBP or wait for the new Powermacs (or buy a PC).

No-one in PC land complains that their laptop has onboard graphics...they spend the extra money and get one with a dedicated gfx card or they buy/build a desktop computer.

Bartron
[/b]
Bartron, thank you at least for addressing my earlier query which seems to have been ignored&#33; :P

This satisfactorily answers my question. There is nothing wrong with the integrated graphics if the machine is intended for the use that it was intended for&#33;

Brentnal
18th May 2006, 11:10 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(samuelclarke &#064; May 18 2006, 07&#58;37 AM) 173127</div>

How much do graphics chips (GPU&#39;s) cost? I mean, they didn&#39;t have to use the x1600, just something better than the Intel GMA. I don&#39;t think that a GF FX5200 or a ATi 9600 would&#39;ve cost that much, and it would&#39;ve kept everyone happy.

Unless Intel is giving the GMA chips for free to Apple bundled with the Core Duo.
[/b]

As far as I know, the Intel GMA graphics are "built in" to the Intel chipset on the logic board. So by using this option Apple doesn&#39;t need to add a video processor at all.

anthony
18th May 2006, 11:19 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brentnal &#064; May 18 2006, 11&#58;10 AM) 173205</div>

As far as I know, the Intel GMA graphics are "built in" to the Intel chipset on the logic board. So by using this option Apple doesn&#39;t need to add a video processor at all.
[/b]


Yup, but I am pretty sure for an extra &#036;50 or so they could have added a half decent graphics card though, that would dramtically improve 3D performance. I would say they haven&#39;t so they help to build the separatation between the macbook and macbook pro, otherwise they would probably hurt sales of the pro by too much. The first iMac G5s came out with a shocking graphics card but it wasn&#39;t long (Rev B) until they put something half decent in it, maybe the same will occur here..

QueenOfSwords
18th May 2006, 11:35 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;45 AM) 173190</div>

I don&#39;t get all the people going "OMGWTF onboard graphics...aaahh"

The Macbooks (and Mac Mini) are entry level devices. Designed for Internet browsing, word processing, some iPhoto stuff etc. These are not gaming rigs. If you want a gaming rig, get a MBP or wait for the new Powermacs (or buy a PC).

No-one in PC land complains that their laptop has onboard graphics...they spend the extra money and get one with a dedicated gfx card or they buy/build a desktop computer.

Bartron
[/b]

True... but some of us were holding out for a Pro (midrange) 13" . Especially as the 12" PB is officially OMGdead with no equivalent replacement.

They will sell a LOT of these to students though, and I could see the BlackBook being beloved of business users.

someonestolecc
18th May 2006, 12:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;45 AM) 173190</div>

I don&#39;t get all the people going "OMGWTF onboard graphics...aaahh"

The Macbooks (and Mac Mini) are entry level devices. Designed for Internet browsing, word processing, some iPhoto stuff etc. These are not gaming rigs. If you want a gaming rig, get a MBP or wait for the new Powermacs (or buy a PC).

No-one in PC land complains that their laptop has onboard graphics...they spend the extra money and get one with a dedicated gfx card or they buy/build a desktop computer.

Bartron
[/b]


Fair enough but the 12" PB was (relatively, speaking at the time) enough to be able to play Q3 and while nowhere near a gaming rig still had some balls (for a g4 anyway).

*waiting for MBP 13*

bartron
18th May 2006, 12:10 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(someonestolecc &#064; May 18 2006, 12&#58;00 PM) 173220</div>

Fair enough but the 12" PB was (relatively, speaking at the time) enough to be able to play Q3 and while nowhere near a gaming rig still had some balls (for a g4 anyway).

*waiting for MBP 13*
[/b]

Ah...but the 12" was a PowerBook not an iBook and for what it is worth (and from what I&#39;ve seen) the MacBook beats the 12" PB hands down....I have a 12" PB and love it but the core duo Macbook kills it (onboard graphics included)

anarchron
18th May 2006, 12:11 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bartron &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;45 AM) 173190</div>

I don&#39;t get all the people going "OMGWTF onboard graphics...aaahh"

The Macbooks (and Mac Mini) are entry level devices. Designed for Internet browsing, word processing, some iPhoto stuff etc. These are not gaming rigs. If you want a gaming rig, get a MBP or wait for the new Powermacs (or buy a PC).

No-one in PC land complains that their laptop has onboard graphics...they spend the extra money and get one with a dedicated gfx card or they buy/build a desktop computer.

Bartron
[/b]

That&#39;s because almost all laptops in PC Land at the price of the MacBook have something better than an Intel GMA 950. One of the reason why the original PowerBooks and iBooks rocked was because they all had dedicated GPUs.

jbillett
18th May 2006, 12:49 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(anarchron &#064; May 18 2006, 12&#58;11 PM) 173226</div>

That&#39;s because almost all laptops in PC Land at the price of the MacBook have something better than an Intel GMA 950. One of the reason why the original PowerBooks and iBooks rocked was because they all had dedicated GPUs.
[/b]

I dont think almost all PC laptops that compare price wise with the MacBook would offer the same specs and a better graphics card. Instead, I would argue that most have integrated graphics of some description.

mac_man_luke
18th May 2006, 01:21 PM
The intel intergrated graphics are still better than the Radeon 9200/9550 the ibooks had

QueenOfSwords
18th May 2006, 02:27 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mac_man_luke &#064; May 18 2006, 01&#58;21 PM) 173246</div>

The intel intergrated graphics are still better than the Radeon 9200/9550 the ibooks had
[/b]

That&#39;s pretty debatable....

Anyway when I&#39;m done crying in a corner, I&#39;ll keep saving for a MBP (maybe an August Merombook?) . Which is annoying but I suspect was Apple&#39;s plan.

forgie
18th May 2006, 02:57 PM
Ok, enough bitching about the GPU. It was pretty inevitable given the too-close-for-comfort speed specs for everything else. My iBook 1.33Ghz 12inch&#39;s 9550 was OK (tolerable) for games, but had shit-ass throughput. That is it couldn&#39;t play certain DVDs on my 1680x1050 20" LCD. I have to knock the res down a few notches to avoid glitches. Now there&#39;s no way that&#39;s gonna happen with a GMA950. Apple know that getting movies and DVDs smooth is more important to the consumer market then 3d games.

Now onto other MB stuff:

The hard drive is user upgadeable&#33; As well as the RAM&#33; That makes the MB SOOOO much more attractive to me..... I nearly killed my 12" iBook by swapping out the HDD. It was a serious PITA. With the MB, you just slide it out&#33; :)

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macword/20...video/index.php

Burnsy
18th May 2006, 03:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(paulharrop &#064; May 17 2006, 07&#58;12 PM) 172969</div>

Apple OZ are still probably trying to make up the &#036;20 million they lost over the Buzzle group collapse a few years ago.
[/b]


Aaaaaah Buzzle.....

I&#39;ve still got a Buzzle work shirt in my cupboard. Anyone wana buy it&#33;&#33;&#33; LOL

I worked for them when all that hype was around.......(remembers the nightmare that Navision caused...etc :-))

vicmeldrew
18th May 2006, 03:03 PM
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that the HDs are user replaceable.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750

forgie
18th May 2006, 03:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vicmeldrew &#064; May 18 2006, 03&#58;03 PM) 173268</div>

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that the HDs are user replaceable.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750
[/b]

Hehe

"Close, but no cigar"

QueenOfSwords
18th May 2006, 04:18 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vicmeldrew &#064; May 18 2006, 03&#58;03 PM) 173268</div>

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that the HDs are user replaceable.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750
[/b]

Forgie just did&#33; :P

That very slick though&#33; I wish the MB was the right solution for me. In every aspect but *one* it&#39;s GREAT.

Big_J
18th May 2006, 04:23 PM
Am I way off, or has the 17" MBP got &#036;200 cheaper since the release of the MB?

mechcon
18th May 2006, 04:35 PM
i reckon all notebooks will have user-replaceable hdd&#39;s including the macbook pros :)

gizo
18th May 2006, 04:51 PM
first MacBook keyboard problems?
http://flickr.com/photos/stuartm/148569247/
eek&#33;

eudaemons
18th May 2006, 04:56 PM
Don&#39;t forget the GMA950 does something the ATI 9550 can&#39;t do - render Quartz Extreme and Core Image.

stefanlod
18th May 2006, 05:46 PM
On integrated graphics, they seem to be enough to run OS X&#39;s visual eye-candy. I&#39;m sure that you&#39;ll find that most PC laptops with integrated graphics won&#39;t be able to run Vista&#39;s AERO. Why is all that horsepower needed?

forgie
18th May 2006, 06:19 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eudaemons &#064; May 18 2006, 04&#58;56 PM) 173325</div>

Don&#39;t forget the GMA950 does something the ATI 9550 can&#39;t do - render Quartz Extreme and Core Image.
[/b]
Ahhh I&#39;m not so sure about that....

Kabal
18th May 2006, 06:27 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stefanlod &#064; May 18 2006, 05&#58;46 PM) 173341</div>

On integrated graphics, they seem to be enough to run OS X&#39;s visual eye-candy. I&#39;m sure that you&#39;ll find that most PC laptops with integrated graphics won&#39;t be able to run Vista&#39;s AERO. Why is all that horsepower needed?
[/b]


GMA950 will run Aero Glass in vista, while older Intel integrated GPU&#39;s will not.

Vista doesn&#39;t really need all that much horsepower, it does need directx9 level pixel shaders though.

downsys
18th May 2006, 06:47 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; May 18 2006, 04&#58;51 PM) 173319</div>

first MacBook keyboard problems?
http://flickr.com/photos/stuartm/148569247/
eek&#33;
[/b]

that&#39;s not a problem. my ibook can do that too. u can take off the keys and put them back on easily.

Comet
18th May 2006, 07:24 PM
Just got back from the Apple Store in Osaka Japan... :D Couldn&#39;t resist myself and here I am with the 2ghz white macbook. For the price I paid, I am loving it. The keyboard is slightly noisey, but other then that, it is pretty easy to type, and the rest, you&#39;ve all pretty much read everything from all the reviews.

The fact that it&#39;s got everything you need from the isight to all the wireless goodies is sweet :thumbup: I haven&#39;t upgraded my RAM from the original 512mb, but as for daily use, its pretty alright. Would be nice to get 2 gigs onto this machine, but it&#39;s kinda hard to find a cheap place in Japan. Will have to check out the online stores for that.

If any of you have specific requests for photos etc let me know. ;)

tommelbourne
18th May 2006, 07:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comet &#064; May 18 2006, 07&#58;24 PM) 173370</div>

Just got back from the Apple Store in Osaka Japan... :D Couldn&#39;t resist myself and here I am with the 2ghz white macbook. For the price I paid, I am loving it. The keyboard is slightly noisey, but other then that, it is pretty easy to type, and the rest, you&#39;ve all pretty much read everything from all the reviews.

The fact that it&#39;s got everything you need from the isight to all the wireless goodies is sweet :thumbup: I haven&#39;t upgraded my RAM from the original 512mb, but as for daily use, its pretty alright. Would be nice to get 2 gigs onto this machine, but it&#39;s kinda hard to find a cheap place in Japan. Will have to check out the online stores for that.

If any of you have specific requests for photos etc let me know. ;)
[/b]

Congrats :)
Info on glare? Is it as bad as we were all predicting?

Muzza_77
18th May 2006, 07:48 PM
Is the keyboard good? does it have that ibook keyboard feel to it like the G4?

Comet
18th May 2006, 08:18 PM
As for the glare, it isn&#39;t bad as some have said. I&#39;ve seen numerous glossy screens on PCs and stuff, but compared to those, the one on this macbook is soft. The awesome thing about this though is that it makes the screen a lot more clearer. Liking it a lot. I had the G4 powerbook before this, but I have nothing against the glossy screen on the macbook.

As with the keyboard, I think this a lot better then the ones on the former iBook G4. I&#39;ve noticed that I have less typos, and the key response is good. Of course, compared to the thinkpads, I have to say they&#39;re better, but surprisingly it is not a bad design. The keyboard was my main concern when deciding, and nothing is wrong with it. Hope that answers your question.

Currawong
18th May 2006, 08:22 PM
Apple are damn clever, I see many people forking out the extra cash for the black one.

Comet
18th May 2006, 09:18 PM
I had a long look at the black one and couldn&#39;t justify it. It looked very toyish, and the worst was that the display model has only been out for 2 days, yet there were a lot of fingerprints and smudges on it. If it is going to get dirty, why pay the extra money to make it look more obvious?
But then again, people want to differentiate themselves from the rest so people will continue to buy the black. Apple is very clever with the Apple stores here in Japan. They make it seem like people aren&#39;t paying a premium for the black. Therefore, those who don&#39;t research the prices prior to their visits will have a look at the black and will go straight to the counter and swipe their cc. That&#39;s why the black is already out of stock at the Apple Store.

the filmer
18th May 2006, 09:24 PM
personally i would buy into the black macbook, i guess because its black, to put it simply, i&#39;d also like the challenge of trying to modd it, like you see possible in the ibook g3 series with the light up apple symbol, it&#39;d be nice to make it red, nice composition, but regardless, a removable hard drive is probably the main reason i&#39;d purchase a macbook, especially after, almost destroying my ibook with the great idea of doing a hd replacement myself once, defiently not for the inexperience

Nightbreed
18th May 2006, 09:30 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;11 AM) 173173</div>

Any sightings in/around Melbourne yet? I&#39;m itching to play with one, before I make a final decision... MacBook vs. MacBookPro.... hmmmm.......
[/b]

NextByte in Elizabeth st have a white one. Im gonna have a play of it when i pick up my 17" MBP tomorrow&#33; :D

forgie
18th May 2006, 09:52 PM
Anyone know if NextByte in Bourke st has any yet?

Ozi
18th May 2006, 10:23 PM
MY APPLECENTRE HAS A DEMO MACBOOK&#33;</span>
<span style="color:red">(in Melbourne)
We received our demo machine at 11AM today, and they are awesome&#33; Come in and have a look at it, Melbournites&#33; 172 Flinders St, Melbourne. MyMac Australia (http://www.mymacaustralia.com.au).

I love the machine... very cute, and the maglatch is amazing&#33; Such an improvement and really sturdy feeling. The keyboard is unique but a nice put together. iSight looks great, and as for the glare, I didn&#39;t actually notice it when using the machine as you look through the reflection to the LCD itself, and unconciously ignore it. Other people might find it off-putting, but it really wasnt an issue for me. The colours do look kick arse too. :)

Come in and say hi, guys. We are opposite Federation Square, next to St Pauls Cathedral, and 2.36 seconds walk from Flinders St station. :D

scruffie
18th May 2006, 10:33 PM
Awesome - I&#39;ll definitely pop in on the weekend&#33;

ialienam
18th May 2006, 10:45 PM
how about any Sydney store???

My friend wants to buy a mac, and I just told her that macbook released and might be a better option for her, as she is a newbie to mac and don&#39;t think spend &#036;3k on MBP is a good idea..

by this weekend??

Quamen
18th May 2006, 10:56 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ozi &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;23 PM) 173427</div>

MY APPLECENTRE HAS A DEMO MACBOOK&#33;</span>
<span style="color:red">(in Melbourne)
We received our demo machine at 11AM today, and they are awesome&#33; Come in and have a look at it, Melbournites&#33; 172 Flinders St, Melbourne. MyMac Australia (http://www.mymacaustralia.com.au).

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What time are you open till tomorrow? And will YOU be in there?

Ozi
18th May 2006, 11:18 PM
We are open to 6PM tomorrow. I am the service coordinator, so on the desk at 192 flinders st, 2 doors up the st from the showroom. :) If you want, pop in and say hi. I can then take you across to sales if im not flat out busy. Otherwise, always good to meet another ATAU lover, and that goes for everyone here. I :wub: you guys...

mwidjaya
18th May 2006, 11:29 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ialienam &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;45 PM) 173437</div>

how about any Sydney store???
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Did a quick stop at Apple store at Chatswood in Sydney and saw the white one. Was going to get the white one but now not so sure. I know black is about &#036;200 more. White just doesn&#39;t seem so impressive compared to the black on photo.

I might just have to wait a week or so to see the black in the flesh to see how cool/special it looks.

Comet
19th May 2006, 12:03 AM
Although everyone seems to ahve said that it doesn&#39;t get hot.... unfortunately its not the case. Not sure if its the HD or the CPU, but the left hand side is hot.... still a nice laptop though. Fans haven&#39;t gone off and no whining noise like the MBP

McMullet
19th May 2006, 12:48 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ozi &#064; May 18 2006, 10&#58;23 PM) 173427</div>

MY APPLECENTRE HAS A DEMO MACBOOK&#33;</span>
<span style="color:red">(in Melbourne)
We received our demo machine at 11AM today, and they are awesome&#33; Come in and have a look at it, Melbournites&#33; 172 Flinders St, Melbourne. MyMac Australia (http://www.mymacaustralia.com.au). [/b]
Melbournites? :blink:
When will the Brisbanians get a demo?

gurgle
19th May 2006, 02:43 AM
ok by now we know the HD is user removable..

well check out how easy it is&#33; -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6ckjy-gdY

hawker
19th May 2006, 07:35 AM
I dunno what&#39;s sadder Ozi, the fact you are in love with the macbook, or the fact you know how many seconds walk away from the train station you are (obviously you run late to work a lot) :P

But it&#39;s cool that demos are out quick, they must have had them out for a while....

dolbinau
19th May 2006, 08:17 AM
IMO The black one seems too much like a &#39;normal&#39; windows-style laptop; The white is kind of like an Apple Trademark...

I&#39;ll have to see both in person though, Hopefully Myer at Pacific Fair or Next Byte Bundall will have both in soon&#33;

purana
19th May 2006, 08:30 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mwidjaya &#064; May 18 2006, 11&#58;29 PM) 173453</div>

Did a quick stop at Apple store at Chatswood in Sydney and saw the white one. Was going to get the white one but now not so sure. I know black is about &#036;200 more. White just doesn&#39;t seem so impressive compared to the black on photo.

I might just have to wait a week or so to see the black in the flesh to see how cool/special it looks.
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So Mac Centric got a demo, they said they would by the end of the week. Shame I dont live near them, I&#39;d got for a look too.

Might have to wait for Domayne out my way to get a demo, since its much closer.

EDIT: It appears my wifes speed bumped 2.0 Macbook Pro is in stock as of yesterday too. Just had confirmation, guess I am going for a drive a lunch time to collect it. As she has been dying to get a notebook back for ages now.

gurgle
19th May 2006, 12:08 PM
could anyone with a macbook or access to one let us know where the speakers are located? seems to have dropped under the radar that theyre not above or beside the keyboard like on the IBs, PBs and MBPs

gizo
19th May 2006, 12:38 PM
they&#39;re on the back, reflecting off the screen. I have read it out and about on the interweb

mwot
19th May 2006, 12:52 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nightbreed &#064; May 18 2006, 09&#58;30 PM) 173416</div>

NextByte in Elizabeth st have a white one. Im gonna have a play of it when i pick up my 17" MBP tomorrow&#33; :D
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Went and had a little play just now. Nice little machine. Great finish. Tested out the keyboard for touch-typing - the flat keys didn&#39;t seem to pose any issues for me.

I&#39;m a gonna get me one of them. I like it.

Ozi
19th May 2006, 01:06 PM
SPeakers are in the same place as the 12" aluminium Powerbooks.

They are at the back of the machine, bouncing off the screen.

gizo
19th May 2006, 01:18 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mwot &#064; May 19 2006, 12&#58;52 PM) 173583</div>

Went and had a little play just now. Nice little machine. Great finish. Tested out the keyboard for touch-typing - the flat keys didn&#39;t seem to pose any issues for me.

I&#39;m a gonna get me one of them. I like it.
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Did you try watching any movies/trailers on it? If so, how was it for size, and did it cope?

Are they key&#39;s solid? Do they stay flat, or do they pivot over the centre or something?

Is the black one all smooth and sexxy?

Heidi-Lee
19th May 2006, 01:45 PM
I just got back from having a look at the macbook in Clarence Street (Nextbyte). I didnt like the feel of the keys at all. I am glad I went for the macbook pro.

purana
19th May 2006, 01:56 PM
I had a look at the MacCentric Chatswood store, and didnt get to play as some old fellow was all over it and the staff were trying to make a sale.

Looks alright, alot better then say the old ibooks. Didn&#39;t get to touch or play with keys. Had only enough time to pickup something and then dash.

Certainly a good improvement over the ibook previous generations it replaced.

Be interesting to see how many 12" users from Powerbooks go with it, or just got macbook pro. I am guessing this is the plan by apple, so that these users spend that little bit more and buy a 3199 unit in the mbp, which is still a good machine. Will just need a ram upgrade (which we&#39;ll be doing on the wife&#39;s one next month).

Comet
19th May 2006, 02:25 PM
To me, the macbook is more like a smaller sized 15" powerbook then a 12" ibook / powerbook replacement. I&#39;ve own a 12" iBook before and liked its size, but the Macbook doesn&#39;t have that same portable touch to it if that makes any sense. So for people wanting ot replace their 12", it&#39;s gonna be a bit disappointing. Moving from a 15" though, it is nice. Same resolution as my Alubook but smaller makes everything look a lot nicer.

I can still carry the Macbook in one hand, and it&#39;s thinner then the 12".

jeremy_warnock
19th May 2006, 02:53 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; May 19 2006, 01&#58;18 PM) 173589</div>


Is the black one all smooth and sexxy?
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Dont go the black guys, why pay an extra &#036;200 for another balck laptop - apple are close to the only manfucatures that make white. The poor black macbook - as sexy as it might be will soon be indistinguishable inagunst the ibms and dells

Ozi
19th May 2006, 03:01 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jeremy_warnock &#064; May 19 2006, 02&#58;53 PM) 173622</div>

Dont go the black guys, why pay an extra &#036;200 for another balck laptop - apple are close to the only manfucatures that make white. The poor black macbook - as sexy as it might be will soon be indistinguishable inagunst the ibms and dells
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Noooooooo&#33; The black looks sexy, with a more "corporate" feel. It still has clean lines and a neat design, unlike a thinkpad or somthing which is ugly as sin. :P

And then there is the gorgeous white logo starkly contrasting with the black... it looks anything but like another ibm or dell&#33; :D

jeremy_warnock
19th May 2006, 03:08 PM
dont tempt me OZI black is my colour it would match my ipod and my outlook on life :-)

Im just surrounded by stinking ibm and toshbars in my office

tania2412
19th May 2006, 03:11 PM
Does the white one have an Apple logo on the back that glows with light?
I&#39;m thinking the keyboard isn&#39;t back lit yeah?

Comet
19th May 2006, 03:13 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tania2412 &#064; May 19 2006, 04&#58;11 PM) 173633</div>

Does the white one have an Apple logo on the back that glows with light?
I&#39;m thinking the keyboard isn&#39;t back lit yeah?
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Both the black and white uses the backlight of the LCD to have the glowing Apple Logo.
And the keyboard isn&#39;t backlit on the Macbooks regardless of colour

purana
19th May 2006, 03:17 PM
Like Apple always do, you see pics of this sexy black machine and then attached to it is a white power cable... Surely they could of broke ranks for once and shipped the black machine with a black cable :)

mwot
19th May 2006, 04:14 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; May 19 2006, 01&#58;18 PM) 173589</div>

Did you try watching any movies/trailers on it? If so, how was it for size, and did it cope?

Are they key&#39;s solid? Do they stay flat, or do they pivot over the centre or something?

Is the black one all smooth and sexxy?
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I asked for a demo of a DVD to see how it went. They had one - The Incredibles - and I think owing to the glossy look of the screen, it really feels like you&#39;ve got a mini TV sitting in your lap. No issues with the playback - quite decent, I felt. Games, of course, would be another issue - while I&#39;m not intending on getting one to play games, I&#39;ll of course give it a whirl to see how it copes&#33; (All in the name of science, you understand.)

The keys on the board stayed flat - at least, that was my impression. They did not feel wonky, but stable and comfortable. Of course, it was only a quick sentence I typed out - not War and Peace - but was enough to satisfy me. Comet could probably give you a better run down on the keyboard handling, already having a machine to play with at home&#33;

They only had the white. No black.

I placed an order. Have been hanging out for a small portable for several months, looking at a few older, 2nd-hand G4 iBooks ... but my wife would have none of that. Has to be a brand new machine, gosh darn-it. :)

thanners
19th May 2006, 04:19 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; May 19 2006, 12&#58;38 PM) 173581</div>

they&#39;re on the back, reflecting off the screen. I have read it out and about on the interweb
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Yep, Ars Technica just released a great review. Pictures of the speakers can been seen on the page.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macbook.ars

invisible
19th May 2006, 04:30 PM
does anyone know what the speed difference is between the 1.83 and the 2.0 MB? do you think it&#39;d be noticeable?

cheers

mechcon
19th May 2006, 04:57 PM
twice the performance :P i dont know....

mind you, i read (somewhere on here?) that the black macbook uses a different casing for the black

c3017474
19th May 2006, 05:34 PM
Here is a quick pic of my new MacBook - I ordered on Tuesday night and it arrived today. Definitely needs more RAM, it sucks with 512 compared to my 17" iMac Intel with 1.5 GB of RAM.

http://static.flickr.com/50/149157595_cf0fe5d902.jpg

mac_man_luke
19th May 2006, 05:37 PM
*drewls*

hawker
19th May 2006, 05:42 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(c3017474 &#064; May 19 2006, 05&#58;04 PM) 173687</div>

Here is a quick pic of my new MacBook - I ordered on Tuesday night and it arrived today. Definitely needs more RAM, it sucks with 512 compared to my 17" iMac Intel with 1.5 GB of RAM.

http://static.flickr.com/50/149157595_cf0fe5d902.jpg
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Yeah that amout of ram would suck (I need to upgrade my quad badly)... Hey, is that my post taking centre stage there :P

What do you think of the glossy screen? is it annoying?

c3017474
19th May 2006, 05:52 PM
It is indeed one of your posts Hawker. :P The glossy screen is quite nice actually, the colour does look quite vivid. The reflection is that major and it is nowhere near as bad as some of the PC shiny screens I&#39;ve seen.

Do you think its that important to have matched RAM? Cos I&#39;d rather just get a 1 GB stick and have 1.25 GB than have to buy 2 x 512 sticks or 2 x 1 GB stick (my credit card is quivering as we speak&#33;).

EDIT: I must say it is a good little pic too, taken with my beautiful Nikon D50.

dolbinau
19th May 2006, 05:56 PM
Each RAM slot is capable of accepting up to 1GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM, for a max of 2GB. For the best performance, Apple recommends that RAM modules be installed as pairs, with an equal amount of memory in each slot.[/b]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1750

hawker
19th May 2006, 05:58 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(c3017474 &#064; May 19 2006, 05&#58;22 PM) 173697</div>

It is indeed one of your posts Hawker. :P The glossy screen is quite nice actually, the colour does look quite vivid. The reflection is that major and it is nowhere near as bad as some of the PC shiny screens I&#39;ve seen.

Do you think its that important to have matched RAM? Cos I&#39;d rather just get a 1 GB stick and have 1.25 GB than have to buy 2 x 512 sticks or 2 x 1 GB stick (my credit card is quivering as we speak&#33;).
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They recommend matched ram, and I dare say it can&#39;t hurt. If you can go for 2x512MB sticks, go for it I say (and also go for it if you can get 2x1GB sticks). You can always sell your old ram on here - someone will want it...

Also meant to ask - what&#39;s the keyboard like. It looks a lot more spaced out, it is annoying or not?

dolbinau
19th May 2006, 06:02 PM
(Correct me if I&#39;m wrong) but could Having 1gig + 256mb be really any worse than two 512mb sticks?

At least this way less ram goes to waste and also it would be better to keep in mind a 1gig stick could be bought in future for a future upgrade.

Comet
19th May 2006, 06:40 PM
I seriously doubt that there will be a noticeable difference when it comes to unmatched RAM. That being said, I did order 2 x 1gb sticks for my macbook. I was tempted to go for the 1gb + 256mb, but I just went ahead and got myself 2 of them.

c3017474
19th May 2006, 07:02 PM
The keys are spaced quite a bit but I&#39;m getting used to it now. I&#39;m not a proper touch typist but I&#39;ve done enough typing in my time to be able to type most things with very minimal looking at the keys and I can still find all of the keys on this keyboard as easily as I can on the keyboard on my iMac. The feel is a bit crap though, there isn&#39;t much spring or resistance and the fact that they are flat is a bit odd too. Its not that bad that you wouldn&#39;t get one though if you otherwise wanted one. And I just bought 1 GB of MBP RAM from epowermac, and I can get an extra 1 GB later when I&#39;ve paid off the rest of my debts&#33;

hawker
19th May 2006, 07:05 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dolbinau &#064; May 19 2006, 05&#58;32 PM) 173706</div>

(Correct me if I&#39;m wrong) but could Having 1gig + 256mb be really any worse than two 512mb sticks?

At least this way less ram goes to waste and also it would be better to keep in mind a 1gig stick could be bought in future for a future upgrade.
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There is nothing wrong with it, it is better to have &#39;more ram&#39; - however, matched ram seems to be the way to go for the future, for some reason is means the ram addressing is slightly faster. Perhaps google it - it might explain why its&#39; better.

I hear you about the keyboard c3017474 - I don&#39;t mind if its a light touch keyboard, I&#39;m use to adjusting from my powerbook keyboard, to my iMac keyboard and then to a crappy old digital keyboard for some PC&#39;s... Man, sometimes you have to hit that thing with a hammer. So basically, the macbooks keyboard only requires a light touch ;)

qwijibo
20th May 2006, 02:39 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hawker &#064; May 19 2006, 07&#58;05 PM) 173741</div>

There is nothing wrong with it, it is better to have &#39;more ram&#39; - however, matched ram seems to be the way to go for the future, for some reason is means the ram addressing is slightly faster. Perhaps google it - it might explain why its&#39; better.
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For any 3D graphics on an integrated GPU, having matched ram can make a large difference, since the GPU gains greater memory bandwidth.

http://www.barefeats.com/mincd.html

But, in that barefeats test, they only see significant differences in one test (quake 3), the rest are between 10% and 30% difference - for that specific function (e.g. Core Image).

Overall performance drop might not be noticable.

downsys
20th May 2006, 03:29 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(purana &#064; May 19 2006, 03&#58;17 PM) 173636</div>

Like Apple always do, you see pics of this sexy black machine and then attached to it is a white power cable... Surely they could of broke ranks for once and shipped the black machine with a black cable :)
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if it did come with a black cable, then it will have less of an apple feel. it&#39;s like having white earbuds with black ipods. i personally would never wear white earbuds, but some peopel find it appealing.

fruitbat
20th May 2006, 03:49 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thanners &#064; May 19 2006, 04&#58;19 PM) 173665</div>

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macbook.ars
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Thanks for linking the article.

User. replacable. hard. drive. *swoon*

Comet
20th May 2006, 04:57 AM
Hey guys, is 70 degrees a normal temperature for a laptop? Hmmmm :unsure:

http://icekey.net/files/temp.png

thanners
20th May 2006, 08:11 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Comet &#064; May 20 2006, 04&#58;57 AM) 173873</div>

Hey guys, is 70 degrees a normal temperature for a laptop? Hmmmm :unsure:
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The guys at Ars Technica got theirs upto 82 degrees celcious. Game enough to redo the thermal paste?

decryption
20th May 2006, 08:18 AM
AppleCenter Malvern also has a MacBook on display *and* one of the admins of AppleTalk *and* who is also an Apple Product Professional. So don&#39;t go visit Ozi at MyMac, visit Anthony at CompNow Malvern :P

dolbinau
20th May 2006, 08:35 AM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=202247


Not looking good?

Quasar
20th May 2006, 09:22 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dolbinau &#064; May 20 2006, 08&#58;35 AM) 173893</div>

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=202247
Not looking good?
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Guess I won&#39;t be getting a Macbook anytime soon then. Unless this can be fixed under warranty.

They don&#39;t even know how to apply thermal paste properly. How embarrassing.

tommelbourne
20th May 2006, 10:01 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quasar &#064; May 20 2006, 09&#58;22 AM) 173901</div>

Guess I won&#39;t be getting a Macbook anytime soon then. Unless this can be fixed under warranty.

They don&#39;t even know how to apply thermal paste properly. How embarrassing.
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&#39;Scuse my obvious ignorance, but wouldn&#39;t it be that more thermal paste is better? I really have no idea, but it just seems logical that more=better.

Quasar
20th May 2006, 10:04 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tommelbourne &#064; May 20 2006, 10&#58;01 AM) 173909</div>

&#39;Scuse my obvious ignorance, but wouldn&#39;t it be that more thermal paste is better? I really have no idea, but it just seems logical that more=better.
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No. With excessive thermal paste it retains heat rather than expelling it. Hence you have machines idling at 80c.

tommelbourne
20th May 2006, 10:08 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quasar &#064; May 20 2006, 10&#58;04 AM) 173910</div>

No. With excessive thermal paste it retains heat rather than expelling it. Hence you have machines idling at 80c.
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Aah, i see, that does make perfect sense. Stupid Apple. Thanks Quasar :)