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Blaqjaq
28th February 2015, 03:41 PM
Hi All

I'm sure i'm not alone so thought i'd throw it out there and see what everybody else thinks....

As Apple Watch launch is getting closer, the reality of purchasing one is starting to become something I'm struggling with. When watching the keynote originally I was blown away by the simplicity and the integration into my other devices was awesome and it became a must purchase for me (I've always been an early adopter, purchased the original iPad on launch day when others were wondering what you'd ever do with an iPad, have always had iPhones etc).

Problem i've got though, is I've got a soft spot for swiss watches, owning a few already and with a Hublot and Mont Blanc on my wish list... I'm not sure I am ready to part with my Swiss Watches in lieu of what will no doubt become a fantastic productivity tool.

What are you all planning on doing? Ditching those swiss watches or going to stay with them and not worry about the Apple Watch?

Oldmacs
28th February 2015, 04:08 PM
I'm planning on watching (hahaha) and waiting for the 2nd or 3rd one - just like I did with the iPad - and considering I'm still rocking the iPad 2 I waited for, I think its a good thing to do.

Battery life is the main issue for me.

Geoff3DMN
28th February 2015, 06:55 PM
I think your solution is to buy the gold case iWatch :)

james the 2nd
1st March 2015, 09:04 AM
Being an 'early adopter' (as am I..) there is no real choice is there? :)

I plan on purchasing one and trying it for a month to see how it integrates into my life. Then I'll decide whether to hold onto it or not.

TimboC
5th March 2015, 04:21 PM
I'll get one. If I like, I'll use it, if I don't, I'll flip it..and I won't be out of pocket very much for the experience.

This has worked for me with all Apple products since 1984 :ambivalent:

The_Hawk
6th March 2015, 07:10 AM
My wife wants one so I will get the chance to play with it before I decide if I want one too.

The rational part of me says I shouldn't bother since my phone is on my desk and easy accessible all day anyway so it's not like I'm missing anything... and more importantly I haven't worn a watch in years and when I tried again recently I realised I was mostly just checking the time on the phone or computer anyway and only the watch when I went out of my way to do that. It also sort of bothered me having something on my wrist and using a laptop as it tended to scrape at the palm rest.

I also have one of these pocket watches which does away with the wrist issues, but I still didn't check it too much :(
Pocket Watches: Touch Screen LCD Pocket Watch: Dual Time, Date, Alarm. Kisai Rogue Touch. (http://www.tokyoflash.com/en/watches/kisai/rogue_touch_pocket_watch/)


So I love the concept, but it's likely not something for me...




.... he says before it's available. There is still a good chance I buy one anyway... you know... to support the industry... yeah... that.

Lockley
7th March 2015, 01:40 AM
My watch actually broke just before September and I have been waiting ever since. I hate not wearing a watch feels wrong.

I'm so excited for the Apple Watch. Just like the iPhone and iPad before it. I will buy it the moment I can get my hands on it and show everyone I can haha.

kyte
8th March 2015, 10:40 PM
My watch broke in 2009, and I've pretty much just used the phone or computer since then. I recently bought a Fitbit Charge to replace the Flex I had, because I wanted to be able to see the time on my wrist. Guess what. Never look at it. The money wasnt exactly wasted but given thats why I bought it... hrrrrrm. Guess Apple watch is not really something I'll use. If it had a sleep tracker, I might. But as far as I know it doesnt. I'll wait to see if any of the sleep tracker people create an app for the watch, then I'll reconsider. IN the meantime the Charge does what its supposed to.

AnthoMac
10th March 2015, 07:46 AM
The prices have been announced.
Rather get a Pebble 2 Steel, with change to spare than an Apple Watch.

gbuikstra
10th March 2015, 10:44 AM
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gbuikstra
10th March 2015, 10:50 AM
I had the Apple watch I wanted all picked out and was going to buy it, but at close to $1500 I'm now seriously questioning needing one. Spending this sort of money on something that will be out of date in a couple of years makes it hard to justify.

Does anyone think $679 for the band alone is a rich?

I may yet talk myself into Stainless steel version with the sports band at $879. :-)

changa
10th March 2015, 11:35 AM
I had the Apple watch I wanted all picked out and was going to buy it, but at close to $1500 I'm now seriously questioning needing one. Spending this sort of money on something that will be out of date in a couple of years makes it hard to justify.

Does anyone think $679 for the band alone is a rich?

I may yet talk myself into Stainless steel version with the sports band at $879. :-)

But don't you own an iPhone and an iPad? Whilst not quite $1500, they are still $1000 devices which are out of date in a couple of years too. The Apple Watch might get outdated in a few years, but will still be functional (just like older iPhones and iPads).

To be honest the prices which were released are actually cheaper than what I was expecting. I thought the stainless steel version would be $2000. Whilst $679 for a band does seem expensive, it is not really when you compare it to other premium watch bands. A replacement stainless steel watch band for my Tag Heuer is around $950.

gbuikstra
10th March 2015, 11:59 AM
But don't you own an iPhone and an iPad? Whilst not quite $1500, they are still $1000 devices which are out of date in a couple of years too. The Apple Watch might get outdated in a few years, but will still be functional (just like older iPhones and iPads).

To be honest the prices which were released are actually cheaper than what I was expecting. I thought the stainless steel version would be $2000. Whilst $679 for a band does seem expensive, it is not really when you compare it to other premium watch bands. A replacement stainless steel watch band for my Tag Heuer is around $950.


Thanks Changa,

I have a Rado with a ceramic band, I suppose its not cheap either. I had just never thought about the band cost as a separate item before and it surprised me.

There were guesstimates of the stainless steel version coming in at around US$550 so the A$879 is close to that. Its just not with the band I thought it would include.

changa
10th March 2015, 12:14 PM
Thanks Changa,

I have a Rado with a ceramic band, I suppose its not cheap either. I had just never thought about the band cost as a separate item before and it surprised me.

There were guesstimates of the stainless steel version coming in at around US$550 so the A$879 is close to that. Its just not with the band I thought it would include.

When you see the watch band price as a separate item it can be bit daunting, but if you look at the watch as a package it is not that bad. I have never owned a watch where you can interchange the watch band so have always looked at the total cost of a watch.

I will probably end up buying an Apple Watch, but am not sure if I would wear it everyday. I really like my current watch (have owned it for 20 years) and I like the fact that it is waterproof (as I wear it when I go swimming). For me, the Apple Watch would be more compelling if it was waterproof rather than just water resistant.

Erwin
10th March 2015, 12:47 PM
OP, I have the same issue. I'm currently wearing my grandfather's original mechanical windup watch from the 50's, but own other mechanical ones as well, and I'm really into nice vintage watches. But I am also an early adopter. The dilemma!

TimboC
10th March 2015, 01:43 PM
I would have liked the black stainless steel model with just a leather band, but it seems that model only comes with the outrageously expensive matching bracelet. :moneymouth:

I'll probably opt for the dark aluminium sports model instead, but I find Apple's pricing strategy curious...drawn straight from the Gordon Gecko playbook, methinks. Oh, well....PT Barnum is proven correct, once again....(sigh!)

Geoff3DMN
10th March 2015, 02:05 PM
The prices are somewhat (quite a bit) higher than I'd expected to be honest.

I'd been reading web sites that suggested that the sports version would be around the $350 mark (and it's $500) and that the stainless version (which is what I'm interested in) would be around $700 to $800 (which it starts at) but not with a link stainless band.

I can't see anywhere where they mention extra links either and every watch I've ever bought I've needed an extra link in the band and leather straps are normally too small as well (unless they have different sizes which some watch brands do) but Apple don't mention that either.

The Apple watch is not going to be an option for me unless strap size is a variable and it seems it isn't...

changa
10th March 2015, 02:23 PM
The prices are somewhat (quite a bit) higher than I'd expected to be honest.

I'd been reading web sites that suggested that the sports version would be around the $350 mark (and it's $500) and that the stainless version (which is what I'm interested in) would be around $700 to $800 (which it starts at) but not with a link stainless band.

I can't see anywhere where they mention extra links either and every watch I've ever bought I've needed an extra link in the band and leather straps are normally too small as well (unless they have different sizes which some watch brands do) but Apple don't mention that either.

The Apple watch is not going to be an option for me unless strap size is a variable and it seems it isn't...

Apple have a sizing guide (http://store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/amr/pdf/static/pdf/content/Watch_Sizing_Guide.pdf).

The link bracelet will support wrist sizes from 140-205mm (for the 42mm watch size) and the leather strap from 145mm-215mm. That's quite a large variation (unless you have really huge wrists).

Dog Knight
10th March 2015, 03:07 PM
I wear a swiss watch daily. I could make the switch. But I am definitely planning on waiting until the second gen.

I like wearing a nice time piece. So I would be going at least the mid range. I am quite surprised by the price of the Watch Edition. Many premium swiss watches sell around the $3k - $5k range. To come in at $10k for essentially the same hardware seems excessive.

woofy
10th March 2015, 04:38 PM
Glad I got my Pebble Time steel in the early bird offer. I've been dabbling with a normal Pebble the last 12mths and have always worn a watch, my issue was during meetings getting phone calls or keeping to time. The Pebble has helped a lot with that, and with Jawbone making a face for it, that has made it even more useful. I have two 15yr old watches I hope to last my lifetime, I can't see people getting their moneys worth with these as beautiful as they are. In the recent Jony Ives interview its clear that these watches were always intended to be a luxury item, not for the masses. I am curious as to whether you can claim one for work use in Australia? I use my Pebble pretty much during the work week and wear nothing on weekends.

Blaqjaq
10th March 2015, 11:40 PM
not overly impressed with Apples decision to make Space Black exclusively available with a link bracelet

A 42mm space black with the blue modern buckle leather strap would be my ideal watch, unfortunately the modern buckle isn't available in 42mm, not sure why? And space black is link only

The basic ECCA leather buckle is made in Thailand, not really my idea of quality

At this stage, I'm so drawn and almost every hour changing my mind between the metal loop bracelet, modern buckle leather and that's before I fret over 38 vs 42mm

It's going to be a long wait until April 10 :(

changa
11th March 2015, 07:06 AM
I think the Space Black decision is to try and make the Space Black Apple Watch a more exclusive item (similar to when they had the black Macbook).

The modern buckle leather strap is also only available on the 38mm watch as it is a clasp designed for woman. Most woman will not have wrist sizes where they would use a 42mm watch, so it was probably safer just to offer it on the 38mm.

I would think that most men would opt for the 42mm watch size. From the various review sites I have read, the 38mm is too small for most men. Check out the Apple Watch sizing guide. I found it quite useful http://store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/amr/pdf/static/pdf/content/Watch_Sizing_Guide.pdf

mtmember
11th March 2015, 08:06 AM
Apple prices their products way too high for the average person. And this watch...a joke to spend $600 or more to get to have the same thing as your iPhone. I'm so used to not being burdened by a watch I wouldn't consider it even if I could.

changa
11th March 2015, 11:07 AM
Apple prices their products way too high for the average person. And this watch...a joke to spend $600 or more to get to have the same thing as your iPhone. I'm so used to not being burdened by a watch I wouldn't consider it even if I could.

If you think $600 for a good watch is too high a price, then it shows that you don't own a watch.

I just purchased a watch for my wife and it was $3500 and it's not what I would call a fancy watch, but an wear everyday watch. Her dress watch was considerably more expensive.

woofy
11th March 2015, 04:07 PM
If you think $600 for a good watch is too high a price, then it shows that you don't own a watch.

I just purchased a watch for my wife and it was $3500 and it's not what I would call a fancy watch, but an wear everyday watch. Her dress watch was considerably more expensive.

I own several watches, the most expensive was around $550 15yrs ago. I was ok with that as it's a lifetime type watch. I have a problem with a $600 watch that will last only a few years and become obsolete when next years model comes out. I have friends with much more expensive watches and have found that they tend to have had a lot more expensive repairs (Tag huers seem notorious) and I've had no issue with mine. I have an everyday watch that was about $200 10 yrs ago, I wouldn't consider anything much more than that an everyday watch, as by definition it has to survive daily use and not be something I'd fret about losing or getting broken. A $3500 watch I would never want to wear for that.

changa
11th March 2015, 04:45 PM
I own several watches, the most expensive was around $550 15yrs ago. I was ok with that as it's a lifetime type watch. I have a problem with a $600 watch that will last only a few years and become obsolete when next years model comes out. I have friends with much more expensive watches and have found that they tend to have had a lot more expensive repairs (Tag huers seem notorious) and I've had no issue with mine. I have an everyday watch that was about $200 10 yrs ago, I wouldn't consider anything much more than that an everyday watch, as by definition it has to survive daily use and not be something I'd fret about losing or getting broken. A $3500 watch I would never want to wear for that.

What price people are prepared to pay for a watch (or any device) and what value they get from it is always going to be subjective. There are people who are prepared to pay over a hundred thousand dollars for a car (which I don't quite understand) when a cheaper car will do essentially the same thing.

Also the comment on obsolescence is subjective too. Just because Apple comes out with a new device does not mean that is is obsolete. It may not be the newest Apple Watch around when version 2 comes out, but it will still do the things it did the day before the newer Apple Watch was released. I assume you don't consider your car to be obsolete when a newer model is released do you?

I also own a few watches (but really only wear one). My daily watch cost $3000 20 years ago (It's a Tag Heuer). It's a great watch, well made and robust has taken lots of hits and bashes and has worked flawlessly in that time. A cheaper watch might not have survived.

My dress watch which I only wear on special occasions cost over $10,000 when I got it over 15 years ago. I personally consider the price of a normal watch to be around the $2-3K mark so the Apple Watch a bit below that range. Granted the Apple Watch is a hybrid of watch / jewellery / technology, so a discount might be warranted.

So if you work out the cost of ownership of watches. My daily watch cost me about $150 a year (not adjusting for inflation and the fact that $3K was a lot more valuable 20 years ago). The Apple Watch (assuming 3 years useful life) is $200 per year. Not that much of a difference really.

TimboC
11th March 2015, 06:55 PM
I'm a sad bastard...collecting watches is one of my hobbies, and has been for some time. I currently have a collection of 18, but that changes fairly frequently 😉 I have a number of quite rare and valuable pieces.

Very few watches retain, let alone increase, their value. Those that do usually have intrinsic, tangible value due to their construction and decoration, a unique or limited edition mechanism, or some other unique factor ("worn by Neil Armstrong during the Apollo 11 mission"). Scarcity is a big factor; some are really just jewelry and valued according to composition, design and artistry.

There is an intangible factor, "brand value", which Apple seems to be staking a lot on with the expensive Apple Edition models. I will look forward to seeing how that works out -- I'm very skeptical. IIRC, no quartz or electronic watch has become a real collectable unless it has been worn or owned by someone special; I can't see Apple changing this. As others have said, it will be obsolete in 3 months, and won't work with the iPhone 9 other than as a watch!

That said, I'll buy an Apple Sport model because of the way it works with my IP6 -- it's function, not form -- and that's still overpriced (Apple tax!). I don't think the "form" of the $24k 38mm Edition (inc strap &buckle) changes this, unless Apple declares only 5 will be made, these are numbered and certified, and Apple destroys the means by which that particular was made. That's not happening, so I can only conclude, notwithstanding all the blurb about Jonny Ive, Marc Newson, Burberry and LMVH marketing people, Tim Cook has taken a leaf out of the PT Barnum playbook, viz, "There's a sucker born every minute," and "Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public".

I'd rather spend $24k on Apple shares!

kyte
11th March 2015, 09:46 PM
If I had $24k I can think of an awful lot of things other than an Apple Watch to spend it on. But, I'm not a millionaire. Thats the market for this one. I won't even be getting the base model. A day's battery life? They have to be kidding. That is just woeful.

Oldmacs
11th March 2015, 10:06 PM
I would have much preferred Apple build a TV than a watch TBH... Its a lot of money to spend on something that is essentially become obsolete. The battery will eventually reduce in capacity, the S1 will be outdated, it won't be able to connect blah blah - just like what happens to old iPhones and iPads. As soon as you have an ecosystem on the internet that relies on apps and whatever, its going to become obsolete.

Maybe I need to use one for a week then report back. I did read and interview in the smh that struck me... the watch is going to turn us into people who are just more attached to technology and not part of the real world. I'm bad enough with checking my Phone/iPad/Mac all the time - god knows what I'd be like with a watch ... basically I'd be switched on and connected ALL the time.

kyte
12th March 2015, 06:05 AM
... basically I'd be switched on and connected ALL the time. And this is part of why I won't get one. I have my phone nearby 24/7, I sure as hell don't need to have it on my wrist.

Changa: Not everyone can afford to spend that much money on watches. You're really fortunate that you have that kind of freedom. The bulk of the population doesn't. It doesn't mean we don't own watches, but the ones we buy will do the job, and not become obsolete when Apple changes the game. I still have a 30 year old Seiko which works just fine, having cost me "only" $150 at the time. I doubt that in 30 years, people who buy the Apple watch next month will still be using them.

woofy
12th March 2015, 10:38 AM
I think that is what I'm getting at, unlike most watches people buy the Applewatch will be obsolete as it runs on software that will stop being supported pretty quickly. If someone plans to keep changing (which I suspect is what Apple are planning) then you stay ahead, but when you are looking at $500 I would be expecting a metal bracelet at least.

The reliance on the iPhone for the watch also adds to faster obsolesence, as an owner of the original iPad, they don't still do everything they used to, once support has stopped bugs start creeping into the older apps the developers are no longer interested in fixing. I wouldn't notice it if I had just kept using my newer iPad, but that happened very quickly. Just the short battery life alone will sounds the death knell quickly for this. More classic watches pretty much keep going forever and don't hinge their working life on another device to start with.

changa
12th March 2015, 11:03 AM
I understand what people are saying, but the I think the thing which people are missing is the Apple Watch (even though it is called a watch) is actually more than a watch.

Yes it will tell the time just as well as a Seiko, Casio or Tag Heuer watch, but it also does other things as well. It is your fitness monitor, it will allow you to read your emails, sms, remind you of things, give you directions, play music etc etc. These are things which my current watch can't do. The Apple Watch is a great piece of technology. That has value and commands a price. With the Apple Watch I can ditch my Fitbit, I can also get rid of my daily ritual of checking my heart rate every morning and night. I am sure there will be other things which the Apple Watch will do for me as well.

The Apple Watch is also a piece of jewellery. Good jewellery also costs money. In my opinion, the Apple Watch and the various watch bands look great. The watch does not look like a swatch or a casio calculator watch. It looks like an expensive watch. As a rule, jewellery which looks better commands a higher price.

I think you need to consider all of these things (and more) when you look at the price of the watch and when you value what the watch is worth. You can't just compare it to an regular watch as it is not a regular watch.

Having said all of that, I would love it if the Apple Watch was cheaper. I think it would have been great if Apple priced the watch really low and used it as a gateway to get people to buy iPhones or upgrade their current iPhone. But I think the Watch is reasonably priced.

There are lots of things I don't like about the Apple Watch too. I don't like the fact that you will have to charge it everyday. I don't like the fact that it is not waterproof (only water resistant). I would also prefer if they had a way to have the watch face always on (without killing battery life) as I often take my watch off during the day and set it on my desk and just glance at it to tell the time. I am sure that once i get my hands on one or read reviews, here will be other things I don't like about it. That's why I am still torn about wether the Apple Watch will replace my current watch as my main watch or just be a second watch for me.

kyte
12th March 2015, 11:19 AM
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Having said all of that, I would love it if the Apple Watch was cheaper. I think it would have been great if Apple priced the watch really low and used it as a gateway to get people to buy iPhones or upgrade their current iPhone. But I think the Watch is reasonably priced.

Here's the thing... If you buy into Apple watch, you are adding a new part of the Apple ecosystem to your ongoing costs. I dont mind doing that with a camera, but for a watch? No. I dont care how much it seems to be able to do... It is simply not worth the expense, to me. I can't afford it anyway, but even if I could, I just wouldnt. I can't imagine anything more infuriating than being forced to upgrade frequently. Apple builds obsolescence into all their products, it seems to me, these days. Oh, I know things dont stop working just because a new one comes along... but... actually... many do. for example, I wanted to stay on the Mavericks OS. I was singularly unimpressed with how Yosemite was behaving in its first and second release... but software I did want to use and which was being updated in a way I wanted access to... meant I had to update. The same thing applied to iOS between 7 and 8. Now, all of that is OK for now, but it seems to me that updates come faster and things become obsolete faster than they used to. Its annoying. and to spend money on a watch which wont even work without a phone which probably costs the same... I just find it absolutely awful. But, like I said... you're lucky you can just decide to do that. I have a friend who is just now working out which he will have... he has a huge income too... but for Joe average... its just not even remotely justifiable. Not a bit.

Oh, also I'm happy to keep my fitbit. It tracks my sleep. Apple Watch does not. Nor is it ever likely to be a viable option, given the shitty battery life.

lawrencium
12th March 2015, 12:00 PM
I think what people are missing with the $24K Watch Edition is that it would be almost exclusively aimed at celebrities, high profile businesspeople, entrepreneurs, and the like (don't forget the extreme wealth had by many in the Middle East (http://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2014/03/26/meet-the-richest-people-in-the-middle-east/)).

Now, to elaborate, think of Kim Kardashian - who probably has hundreds of millions of followers worldwide. Imagine seeing her selfie, with her Apple Watch Edition in Rose Gold with a Rose Grey Modern Buckle? Then all of her followers would say "Oh, I want an Apple Watch, too!". They would then, most likely, want either the Sport, or regular Watch. Maybe even a third-party Rose Grey-style leather band, seeing as the Apple one is either not compatible, or costs more than the Watch itself?

The point is, the Edition is an object of desire and exclusivity: you see someone driving a $200,000 Mercedes Benz, but you can only afford the $40,000 entry-level model. Good enough, as it has the same badge, and is designed and engineered by the same company.

Geoff3DMN
12th March 2015, 01:34 PM
The point is, the Edition is an object of desire and exclusivity: you see someone driving a $200,000 Mercedes Benz, but you can only afford the $40,000 entry-level model.

The argument has been made (with some effect too) that producing the 1 series BMW and the A Class Mercedes-Benz has actually cheapened those brands.

The same effect is likely to hurt the Apple Watch edition and leave it looking rather like an example of sartorial gaucherie. None of that means that they won't sell but I can see them selling to the same sort of people who buy diamond encrusted iPhones rather than the sorts of people who buy Rolex watches.

lawrencium
12th March 2015, 02:38 PM
None of that means that they won't sell but I can see them selling to the same sort of people who buy diamond encrusted iPhones rather than the sorts of people who buy Rolex watches.

And there it is; if there's a market for it (and said market is highly valuable), why not take advantage of it?

I mean, as far as I am aware, there isn't really a market for diamond-encrusted laxative pills. 18-karat gold watches and Rolls-Royces, on the other hand...

TimboC
12th March 2015, 02:40 PM
I think what people are missing with the $24K Watch Edition is that it would be almost exclusively aimed at celebrities, high profile businesspeople, entrepreneurs, and the like...(snip)...
Now, to elaborate, think of Kim Kardashian - who probably has hundreds of millions of followers worldwide. Imagine seeing her selfie, with her Apple Watch Edition in Rose Gold with a Rose Grey Modern Buckle?...(snip)...
The point is, the Edition is an object of desire and exclusivity: you see someone driving a $200,000 Mercedes Benz, but you can only afford the $40,000 entry-level model. Good enough, as it has the same badge, and is designed and engineered by the same company.

There are a couple of marketing models embodied in what you're suggesting here. No question, the rose gold edition and matching strap is targeted at those with enough money to pay for them. The question is, will they?

The "sleb" endorsement model is a well-trodden path. I'm not sure how much it would cost to shift the likes of Roger Federer, Maria Sharapova, Lewis Hamilton, various of the top ten supermodels...and even any of the KKKArdashians from their current brands. But my bet is A LOT! And I'm sure Swatch Group, who has mastered this strategy for the past few decades has them locked in to pretty tight contracts. No doubt Apple has the money if needs must....

The "halo model", as adopted by the luxury car makers among others, is equally well-known. The thing is there needs to be obvious and significant differentiation between the "halo" model, and the rest of the maker's product line-up in terms of functions, features and exclusivity. I may be missing something, but the Apple Edition has the same functions and features as the Apple Watch and Apple Sport bar an 18c case/buckle, and nowhere have I seen Apple say they'll only make 10-50-100 of the Gold Editions, so that they have scarcity value. Finally, there is the obsolescence issue, which isn't a factor for the luxury mechanical watch brands.

It all makes me scratch my head, and conclude -- based on Apple's recruitment of folk from the likes of Burberry and LVMH and the demographic recently seen at store line-ups -- that the RG Apple Edition watches are aimed fairly and squarely at the new generation of "brand victims" -- the newly rich of mainland China! I have no problem with that, but it looks like a "cash in" strategy, rather than one that creates persistent, tangible brand value.

Geoff3DMN
12th March 2015, 03:39 PM
18-karat gold watches and Rolls-Royces, on the other hand...

Diamond encrusted iPhones and $20000 iWatches invoke mental images of yellow Bentley Coupes driven by drunk sports stars rather than Rolls Royces :)

baobab68
12th March 2015, 03:51 PM
Another Pebble user here. For those debating about 'going back' to wearing a watch, it's the notifications that make it worth the while...but I think the Apple Watch is too expensive and the battery life and waterproof rating are too low. That's why I've backed the Pebble Time on Kickstarter.

Love my Apple products but they've missed the boat on this one.

carlow1
12th March 2015, 04:52 PM
I've been looking forward to getting the apple watch purely for the fitness tracking abilities. I've worn a watch all my life so it won't be a big leap to wear this. Photos, Facebook and Twitter notifications don't interest me at all. Daily charging doesn't concern me too much either. I remove my current watch every night before bed and place it on my desk, so placing an apple watch on a charger won't be much different.

Im planning on getting the black aluminum with black rubber strap. Not sure of size yet. I think the 42mm will be too big for me. I'll wait for cheaper third party straps to come out if I want a metal strap. Gosh $649 for the steel strap is ludicrous even for Apple.

changa
12th March 2015, 07:40 PM
Im planning on getting the black aluminum with black rubber strap. Not sure of size yet. I think the 42mm will be too big for me. I'll wait for cheaper third party straps to come out if I want a metal strap. Gosh $649 for the steel strap is ludicrous even for Apple.


I'm interested to see what the 42mm version looks like on my wrist. I initially thought that it would be too big, but then I measured the size of my current watch and the case is actually 48mm in size! I guess the difference is the Apple Watch is all screen whilst there is a lot of steel surrounding my current watch.

I had initially thought that $679 for a stainless steel link band was expensive as well, but it is really only because the cost of the watch is broken down into the case and the watch band. When priced together it is more in line with other premium watches. In one of my earlier posts I reported that a replacement stainless steel band for my Tag Heuer is $950! I had never thought about getting a replacement band, but it put the price Apple are charging in perspective for me.

There are definitely watch manufacturers who can make a cheaper stainless steel band, so Apple are really pricing in line with their direct competitors. I guess it shows that the swiss watch manufacturers have been gouging us in prices for awhile now.

james the 2nd
13th March 2015, 12:05 AM
Also interested with the fitness tracking. I look forward to the day I can go for a run and not carry my phone in order to track my run. Unfortunately not the case with gen1 apple watch. How much space does a gps take up? Will the apple watch get one eventually?

woofy
13th March 2015, 10:46 AM
The next year is certainly going to be interesting. I really don't think the watch market is ready. Pebble are probably closest to what needs to be done, until battery tech make a big leap then the rest are chained to daily charging. The smart straps with Pebble are the dark horse as well.

I've got to July until I see my Pebble time steel so many things will have played out by then.

soulman
13th March 2015, 05:53 PM
One thing to keep in mind with this new line is that Apple only enters markets it thinks it can disrupt, and is not in any way short of options. As Cook has been saying for years at shareholder meetings, Apple's problem is not what to do next, it's which one of the many is the best possible opportunity for the company. They obviously see huge potential here or else they wouldn't be doing this to the exclusion of all the other cool things they might be doing instead.

I could easily imagine the whole longevity aspect being handled by the fact that the electronics in this are replaceable at an insignificant cost. Remember that the works of every Watch is the same, albeit in 2 sizes, so the $499 Watch, which Apple will make their usual healthy margin on, will have maybe $300 of innards, maybe less. And the Edition will be the same. The battery will probably be under $50 retail; especially once they've made a few million of them. So, the Edition could conceivably get complete heart transplants, of who knows what new tech, that are a fraction of the cost of a new band. The price bracket would readily lend itself to this and even the mid range would still be worth doing this to. Never underestimate Apple's ability to turn things on their heads.

And, long before you have to replace anything, there will be software updates. Apple turned the phone world upside down by controlling OS updates, there is no reason to think they will not add significant functionality and power savings through software on the Watch. It seems clear to me that this thing has enormous potential and I'm not even a potential customer.

I'm not a watch person nor am I a luxury goods consumer in most senses - I do have some expensive tools of various kinds - and I have been astonished to see the prices changa mentions for his watches. Obviously though, Ive, Newson, Arehndts and probably Cook and others at Apple know a lot about the world in which people drop large amounts of cash on premium objects. These are smart people; at the top of their game. I'm pretty confident they've thought it through. That doesn't mean they'll be successful, but it means they will have strategies for getting there.

And even though I could not imagine dropping $20k on a watch I can easily see the value in a $200k car, and would buy a Tesla Model S P85D in a heartbeat if my income allowed for such things more easily. Sure there are plenty of good cars you can get for much less, but none of them are as good and I would appreciate the things that make it awesome - as one of many examples, the performance settings are "Economy", "Performance" and "Insane". I could buy one, but I'm just not inclined towards that much debt for a car. I am thinking about setting up a charging station though...

Oldmacs
13th March 2015, 05:57 PM
Will people be able to use their Watch while driving?

I see the watch as another distraction to a population of distracted drivers..

TimboC
13th March 2015, 07:00 PM
Well, no one has been booked for wearing a Pebble or Android Wear watch yet.
Realistically, I don't think watches are as distracting as mobile phones. At best, you can glance at a message, and maybe deploy Siri by voice to deliver a response or dial a number. Most car voice response systems are far dumber than Siri, in my experience 😄

changa
13th March 2015, 07:40 PM
Found a good article about the Apple Watch from a Watch Guy's perspective. it shows that the Apple Watch is a premium device but not for everybody.

A Watch Guy's Thoughts On The Apple Watch After Seeing It In The Metal (Tons Of Live Photos) (http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hodinkee-apple-watch-review)

TimboC
13th March 2015, 08:21 PM
Interesting. Written after the first release. I wonder what he thinks now prices have been announced. Most of the watch reviewers and forums I follow have been pretty dismissive; indeed, a telling factor is that most of the discussion has stopped. My conclusion: Apple's target market is not watch aficionados. So the question is whether Apple can generate sales among the conspicuous consumers.

changa
14th March 2015, 07:12 AM
Interesting. Written after the first release. I wonder what he thinks now prices have been announced. Most of the watch reviewers and forums I follow have been pretty dismissive; indeed, a telling factor is that most of the discussion has stopped. My conclusion: Apple's target market is not watch aficionados. So the question is whether Apple can generate sales among the conspicuous consumers.

This is his follow up article after the prices were released. More Apple Watch Details Announced, Including Pricing, All-Day Battery Life, Colors, And Custom Alloys (http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/apple-confirms-apple-watch-features)

Basically he says the price of the watches (excluding the Edition) means that Apple is going for the lower end of the watch market. 'By pricing the entry-level Apple watches at $349 to $1,099, Apple appears to be making a play for the broader, lower-end market for watches (and more importantly, for consumers who currently do not own a watch).'

soulman
14th March 2015, 01:59 PM
There's a great article at Atomic Delights about how the watch is being manufactured (http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made).


I see these videos and I see a process that could only have been created by a team looking to execute on a level far beyond what was necessary or what will be noticed. This isn't a supply chain, it is a ritual Apple is performing to bring themselves up to the standards necessary to compete against companies with centuries of experience.

lawrencium
14th March 2015, 03:11 PM
There's a great article at Atomic Delights about how the watch is being manufactured (http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made).

This is exactly what I've been thinking: when Apple enters a market/product category, they want to "cross every T and dot every I". They have the resources - and scale - to do so. Who blames them for wanting to perfect the art of smartwatch-making?

So what, they used 18-carat solid gold for just one model? How does it affect the rest of us who would be perfectly content with the Sport or regular model? We should be revelling in the fact that Apple have gone to excruciating attention-to-detail for the entire manufacturing process for every single model, including the "entry" $499 Sport.

TimboC
14th March 2015, 03:38 PM
Hey guys, careful with the Kool-Aid! No question, Apple has given great attention to detail as regards the design (inc straps), the electronics, the software and the finish, but once all those things are "golden masters", they can pump them out like sausages. Jonny Ives does a great job narrating those videos, but it's really quite different to the art and precision that goes into a great mechanical timepiece, as produced by specialist watchmakers in the Jura Mountains.

I'm betting, like the first Mac, Newton, iPod, MacBook...etc, the current Apple Watch will look quite dated in a couple of years time. That's never the case with classic timepieces, which many of the volume watchmakers of today continue to pay homage to in their designs.

Earlier, soulman suggested that Apple might conceivably update the innards of the Edition. Conceivable, yes...likely, no. Why would they? And if they can with the Edition, they can with the Sport, which is why it won't happen.

The Apple Watch is an interesting experiment, one that probably only Apple can afford to undertake, and we're all interested to see how it will turn out. My speculation at the moment is that they'll do ok at the low end, but the Edition will be a failure.

lawrencium
14th March 2015, 03:45 PM
Jonny Ives

Jony Ive (one "n", no "s").

TimboC
14th March 2015, 04:31 PM
uatocorect 😉

Dust For Eyes
15th March 2015, 07:11 AM
I'm a watch guy too.

I plan to buy the black cheapie and if I find myself actually making use of it I might upgrade to a better bracelet. Either the Milanese one or see what the third part bracelets are like. After a couple of years if I'm still finding it useful I'll upgrade to whatever the equivalent of the steel one is. I hope current generations bracelets stay compatible with future generations, but I can see Apple precisely not doing that.

Since I'm a watch guy I plan to double wrist the Apple watch with the screen under the wrist and wear it with other bracelets as well as one of my mechanical watches.

http://thehypebr.com/wp-content/uploads/johnny_depp3.jpg

While I don't plan to go quite as full on as Mr Depp there, I will be going somewhat towards that theme. That will mean the quality of the strap or bracelet will be important to me.

TimboC
15th March 2015, 08:34 PM
Oooh, takes a lot to pull off the double wrist look...even Depp doesn't cut it. Certain days of the week is my proposed approach. I have too many others in rotation!

youngma
19th March 2015, 04:36 PM
Folks, I love apple's equipment. My first apple computer was an Apple IIc. Loved it, I've had god knows how many macs and the like. Though even for a die-hard user who got his first machine in 1984, this watch seems like an overpriced gadget that frankly seems rather pointless.

I've worn rolexs, panerais, IWC and other swiss watches for years, they appreciate in value they have a timeless set of complications I've loved and continue to do so. They don't date and given they are all automatics they wind themselves. I understand I probably sound like a old fossil saying this, though a watch at least for me is jewellery. Its not an electronic device to be updated.

So by all means buy one, though its an overpriced gadget. If you're going to buy one of the luxury versions seriously consider buying a luxury watch it will appreciate in value and it has a beauty the apple watch I doubt will ever have.

I can only imagine Steve Jobs would turn in his grave too!

simonm
19th March 2015, 09:35 PM
I think the Apple watch could inspire more interest in traditional watches.

If anything, traditional watch manufacturers are probably happy. Apple can put out some dorky product, they sure won't care.

Oldmacs
20th March 2015, 08:03 AM
My biggest problem with the watch is people using it while driving. There are so many drivers who are on their phones while they drive, a Watch is just gonna be a bigger distraction and temptation.

TimboC
20th March 2015, 09:31 AM
Kids are worse! 😜

Oldmacs
20th March 2015, 01:14 PM
Kids are worse! 😜

Noise is one thing... but looking down at something is another thing.

TimboC
20th March 2015, 08:24 PM
It won't be a problem for long -- cars will soon be autonomous, if you believe the hype. Personally, I observe more pedestrians not paying attention than drivers. Perhaps, it's a new form of Darwinism 😛

Oldmacs
20th March 2015, 08:53 PM
It won't be a problem for long -- cars will soon be autonomous, if you believe the hype. Personally, I observe more pedestrians not paying attention than drivers. Perhaps, it's a new form of Darwinism 

I see around 10 drivers on their phones while driving every bus trip to uni. Pedestrians not paying attention are responsible for their own lives, where as drivers are responsible for the lives of many others. Its not that hard... no one is that important that they need to risk the security of others on the road to take calls/texts. Pull over to use the phone.

Every time I go driving/observe from the bus, I see more and more poor driving and distracted driving. Its getting worse and worse.

lawrencium
20th March 2015, 10:56 PM
I see around 10 drivers on their phones while driving every bus trip to uni... Its not that hard... no one is that important that they need to risk the security of others on the road to take calls/texts. Pull over to use the phone.

Every time I go driving/observe from the bus, I see more and more poor driving and distracted driving. Its getting worse and worse.

The bus tends to give a *really* good vantage point into people's cars, and it's sadly surprising to see people "sneak in" a quick text whilst at the lights.

Now I wonder why police don't patrol in four-wheel drives more often (or at all; I don't think I've seen them out) as they'd be able to see straight into the drivers' seat.

Geoff3DMN
21st March 2015, 08:47 AM
Now I wonder why police don't patrol in four-wheel drives more often (or at all; I don't think I've seen them out) as they'd be able to see straight into the drivers' seat.

There is a recent(ish) initiative by police using plain motorbikes (don't look like traditional white police motorbikes, just normal motorbikes).

They lane filter between traffic at intersections (lane filtering between traffic is legal in some states, and about to become legal in others) and because of the higher upright seating position and the ability to pass multiple stationary vehicles they're having great success at booking people for mobile use (and not wearing seat belts).

Not that I've got anything against 4 wheel drives (I've got one) but in this case they seem like a less effective and more expensive method of doing what the police are doing on the motorbikes already.


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=734605506636970

lawrencium
21st March 2015, 09:21 AM
There is a recent(ish) initiative by police using plain motorbikes (don't look like traditional white police motorbikes, just normal motorbikes).

I didn't even consider motorbikes, but that makes even more sense. I know that - at least here in South Australia - they've started (successfully) targeting motorists using their smartphones whilst driving. Maybe that's why?

Although I personally haven't noticed any surge in (potential police) motorbikes on the road.

TimboC
21st March 2015, 11:05 AM
I agree looking at messages on the screen of either the iPhone or Watch while driving is not good. But ready access to Siri means it's unnecessary, and so I look forward to CarPlay. I drive log distances, and it's very convenient to have Siri read any messages...although emails can be a bit tiresome.

Oldmacs
21st March 2015, 12:34 PM
I personally think that Carplay is way too distracting. Anything that requires hands off the wheel or eyes off the road is a downside.. IMHO the only controls that are really safe to use while driving, are ones on the steering wheel that don't involve taking your hands off the wheel or looking down.

I try and wait till I'm stopped at traffic lights to change radio stations/air-conditioning when in cars that you can't do this on the steering wheel..

TimboC
21st March 2015, 01:50 PM
Just enable "Hey, Siri"

Oldmacs
21st March 2015, 03:50 PM
Just enable "Hey, Siri"

But thats not the point... Its not about my driving, I don't feel the need to use my phone in the car.

Its the huge number of people who are using phones while driving - not using Siri.

TimboC
21st March 2015, 05:46 PM
Well Apple has a solution for that, which I choose to use. It is less distracting than some radio "personalities"!

Oldmacs
21st March 2015, 05:52 PM
Well Apple has a solution for that, which I choose to use. It is less distracting than some radio "personalities"!

But not all people do. I'd love to see some technology which turned off the drivers iPhone screen:

TimboC
21st March 2015, 09:20 PM
What if they're using it for navigation, which many people do?