View Full Version : Using 10.5 on Power Pc in 2012

12th December 2012, 08:58 AM
Thought I would put together a guide on using Power PC computers under 10.5 in 2012.

For General system stuff I highly recommend that you:
1. Do a Clean install of the OS- I use Leopard because it feels semi modern- Tiger feels very dated these days and more software will run on Leopard anyway!
2. Boost your RAM. Its not that expensive these days- Apple Mac Memory Upgrade Options: Easy Buying Guide, Free Install Videos. Memory backed by Lifetime Advance Replacement Warranty. (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/apple/memory/)

Once you have done this open Software Update and Update EVERYTHING to the most recent version.

I also recommend reading through this: Tweaks to Speed Up Your PowerPC Mac (http://www.worthlessgenius.com/2009/08/18/how-to-speed-up-your-powerpc-mac/)
It will help reduce the demands of OSX on your older Hardware

Applications I use:

Office 2004 for word processing, Presentations ECT. This version of the suite runs fast on these older machines. Office 2008 is nice for extra features but is very sluggish. You can also use Bean- It is a very basic Word processor but it runs well and does the Job.

For Web browsing.This is a very tough question. Safari 5, Camino, Tenfourfox and Stainless are the ones I use- The web experience is going to be a bit slow and these machines don't cope with flash very well regardless of which browser you use. Having said that I find Stainless as the best one. It is similar to Chrome, has a unibar search, looks modern and is snappy.

For youtube I use Mactubes. Download this, navigate to the settings click on player and from the Player Type drop down menu select Quicktime. Youtube videos can then be seen in MP4 format which looks quite good and plays well.

For email I still use the built in Apple Mail as I like it the best.

To get OSX features from iCloud such as Reminders- Log into iCloud.com, Make sure to tick 'Keep me signed in' Click on each service you want and drag it to the righthand side of the dock. Now whenever you click it the webapp will load. Yes it is not as nice as on ML but it is still all right :P

For music playback I still use iTunes 10.6.3- Its really not that outdated and it performs reasonably well on these machines. Quicktime is still good for videos but you can get VLC for these machines.

For Photo Editing I use iPhoto 09' and Photoshop Elements 5 which both run quite well. For movies I use either iMovie 09' (On G5) or iMovie HD.

A few other things:
I always change the background on these Macs to the Mountain Lion background. It just makes them look better and more modern. Also I find a random program and change its icon to the Launchpad icon and I change the expose icon to the Mission control icon! (I do the same with the Office icons and the iTunes icon)

I recommend that if you have bluetooth, using Apples Magic mouse makes these machines feel more modern as well. As does using an Apple Aluminium keyboard.
For the Magic Mouse make sure to download the Wireless Mouse update: Wireless Mouse Software Update 1.0 for Leopard (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL951?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8224/8264686513_16fb0fdbe8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79529975@N02/8264686513/)
Picture 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79529975@N02/8264686513/) by oldmacs (http://www.flickr.com/people/79529975@N02/), on Flickr

Here is my iMac G5 Desktop. My next project is to make the dock look like mountain Lion- It is possible to easily do so with Candybar but I can't kind the files for the background or indicators online :(

EDIT: Here is a Mountain Lion Theme for Leopard :D It is really good but install AT YOUR OWN RISK Mountain Leopard.zip (http://cl.ly/2X3D3F0q1o2X)

Actually anything I say is at your own risk :P
Please feel free to add to this :)


12th December 2012, 10:31 AM
Please Chime in if you are still using Power Pc :D

12th December 2012, 10:57 AM
Hey Oldmacs,

you might like this Mountain Lion theme for Leopard :)

Mountain Leopard PowerPC Theme 3.0 - MacRumors Forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1410493)


12th December 2012, 11:08 AM
:D :D :D
Thanks Byrd!!!!

12th December 2012, 11:24 AM
Just installed and it is really really good!!!

12th December 2012, 11:57 AM
I would recommend Office 2008 over Office 2004, if only because it has compatibility with .docx and other XML file formats (there is a converter but it's not the same).

Also, one quirk of Leopard is that in my experience, it will not update to Quicktime 7.7 automatically. You can get a manual download from http://support.apple.com/downloads/DL761/en_US/QuickTime770_Leopard.dmg

But yes, PPCs running Leopard are still good enough for many tasks unless you need to sync with iOS6...

12th December 2012, 12:29 PM
Actually anything I say is at your own risk :P

Just on that - a lot of software for these machines is no longer supported or updated and hence may be vulnerable to security flaws that have have long since been patched in newer releases. I know it's old-hat advice but there might be someone out there who hasn't considered this and perhaps needs to :)

12th December 2012, 01:04 PM
I would love to use 2008 over 2004 but I can't stand how laggy 2008 is on these machines. I used 2008 for a year and went back to 2004 based on that- The converter does fine for me :)

Yes also there are security issues with some things :(

12th December 2012, 01:40 PM
Office 2008 is a dog on anything PPC - it was clearly a second thought as MS prepared the Intel version alongside.

12th December 2012, 01:52 PM
I remember back when it came out we got It and I quietly reinstalled 2004 about 2 days later.
Last year I used 2008 for the whole year then went back to 2004.

13th December 2012, 07:18 AM
Yep! My main machine is my venerable QS2002 PowerMac. I've upgraded it to the max. I bought it fitted with 2x80GB drives and 1.5GB RAM, and DVD-RW. I could have got 120GB drives back then, but they were $tupid Price$ (Apple were double plus $tupid expensive)

Sonnet Duet 1.8G (to replace stock Dual 1G)
USB2 + FW400 Combo Card
USB2 + FW800 Combo Card
SATA Controller
External USB2 Sony DVD Burner

Soon the pair of 80GB HDDs will be replaced with a pair of 400GB HDDs

When I bought the QS2002 I was running FCP3 and DVDSP1.5, but now it is running FinalCut Studio v2, I think - whatever the last one that ran on PPC Macs.

14th December 2012, 11:04 AM
How fast does it run off SSD?

15th December 2012, 12:08 AM
My secondary machine is a bit of everything:

G5 Xserve dual 2.3ghz
2.5GB of functional RAM (I think a few sticks are bad)
1.5TB HD

All mostly spare parts running as a media server.

As for Office 2008 if you need document compatability, particularly XML formats you can't really live without it at some level. For watching youtube I use HTML5 and for browsing the internet I use Camino, I find there is too many bugs in 10.4 Fox and it's too heavy in terms of footprint. iTunes 10.6.3 at this point in time still supports AirPlay so I use it to send content to my Apple TV.

15th December 2012, 10:23 AM
I gave my girlfriend a G5 running 10.5.8 recently to get to grips with OS X (she's thinking of buying a MacBook for Uni). It's a bit too slow for comfort, unfortunately. Usable, but slow :(

Also, all the mods to Leopard to make it look like Mountain Lion remind me very much of this whole concept: Aaron (http://www.kaleidoscope.net/greg/aaron.html)

Just on a tangential note - time for another trip to Wagga - leaving tomorrow :)

15th December 2012, 06:51 PM
OldMacs, here are the Xbench results for the original IDE drive, the 500GB SATA, and the OWC SSD: Both the 500GB and OWC 60GB are running off the SATA controller I added to increase the online storage options.

Drive Type ST380021A ST380021A
Disk Test 40.37
Sequential 56.68
Uncached Write 53.36 32.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 54.15 30.64 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 57.03 16.69 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 63.19 31.76 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 31.35
Uncached Write 11.50 1.22 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 55.13 17.65 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 83.04 0.59 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 95.54 17.73 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Drive Type ST3500820AS ST3500820AS
Disk Test 61.80
Sequential 121.38
Uncached Write 104.61 64.23 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 154.25 87.28 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 87.12 25.50 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 184.07 92.51 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 41.46
Uncached Write 14.26 1.51 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 144.39 46.22 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 84.33 0.60 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 132.36 24.56 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Drive Type OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD
Disk Test 188.73
Sequential 119.62
Uncached Write 115.16 70.71 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 158.42 89.63 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 75.19 22.00 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 194.44 97.72 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 446.95
Uncached Write 309.75 32.79 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 295.30 94.54 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 2509.73 17.78 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 516.43 95.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]

16th December 2012, 12:59 AM
CHIME I'm back to using a PPC G5 again love these machines when there working right. ;-)

2nd January 2013, 09:42 PM
me too