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Disko
30th August 2004, 02:59 PM
Hey all

As many of you know - i've got cubes coming out of my ears, and i was hoping to upgrade one of them substantially. I've been scouring the net for possible video cards that could work in my cube, but I know *nothing* about flashing cards. I've looked at byrd's article (http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=352) and this thread (http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=123) but those don't really help out the average cube user too much, as I'm going to need a card that'll fit inside a cube and not be too hot.

What i have: Stock standard cube with a 40GB HD
Eagle Geforce4 MX400 PC video card
Hercules 3d Prophet 2 Geforce 2 MX 400 PC video card
Will either of those cards work in a cube? Cube owner only links to this page (http://www.cybercoment.com/macgeforce.htm), which has no info on the el'cheap'o eagle card and an empty space for the hercules.

My questions:
Will either of my cards work in the cube?
If not, which PC card should i get that can fit in a cube?
Where can i find said card?
How do i flash it? (where can i get the firmware?)

kim jong il
30th August 2004, 04:23 PM
Hey Disko, you probably already have seen this site but here is the link anyway http://cubeowner.com/kbase/index.php?page=index_v2&id=66&c=2

kim

Disko
30th August 2004, 04:27 PM
thanks kim - i had seen it, and forgot to link it. Still doesn't offer much help re: my cards, but it does link to this page (http://cubeowner.com/kbase/admin/attach/66-vidchart.html) which gives not only 'flashability' information, but also info on if the card will fit.

kim jong il
30th August 2004, 05:48 PM
Found this in a forum. Quoted text below.

........"I once installed a GeForce2 MX from a G4 in a Cube. The form factor is the same as the stock Rage 128 Pro that was installed. The only physical difference between the cards was the end plate. Once I swapped the plates, the GeForce2 MX went straight into the Cube, and the Rage 128 Pro fit a G4.

So, find a card that's short enough (easy) and doesn't have a protruding fan (harder these days) and swap the plate from your Radeon to install it.".........

Disko
30th August 2004, 06:25 PM
I think i'll have to get some measurements of my cards. I'm sure the "eagle" will fit - but the hercules is what i'd prefer. Better build quality and all.

kim jong il
30th August 2004, 07:53 PM
A link to the Nvidia firmware flasher and procedure http://cubeowner.com/kbase/index.php?page=index_v2&id=3&c=25

Disko, you probably have this already too. Just stumbled across it by accident. It appears you get this from apple (the following link is from the above page) http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/nvi...odeflasher.html (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/nvidiafcodeflasher.html)

Gothikon
30th August 2004, 08:05 PM
A had an ASUS V7100 64MB GeForce 2 in my Cube for a while. Performance was good but the thing gets hot, if it only has a heatsink of the GeForce chip add fan or make the heatsink bigger, it will cook the card in the Australian summer, mine died but I got it replaced which was lucky. Personally I'd source some Radeon 7000's, at least for one of them a Cube with s-video out makes a great multimedia, movie MP3 box etc. There is a guy called yoyomarv on ebay who has stacks of cards for Cubes including 9800's bigger cards can be fitted but require the DC/DC board to be relocated.

speaking of graphics card flashing this has just been released
http://thomas.perrier.name/software/ATIcceleratorII.html

overclock on the fly, at last!

Disko
30th August 2004, 11:03 PM
thanks again, kim.

Gothikon - as cool as a 9800 would be in my cube, i'm not prepared to have an external power supply just yet. Ultimately, i'd like a card that runs tiger's effects - but i fear that the 9800 will be the last card that supports 2x AGP.

Also, i'll definately have to install a fan - but its hard to find the 80 x 80 x 20mm fan that suits the cube & is quiet enough. here (http://cubeowner.com/gallery/Radeon-9800-installed%21/plugs) is a picture of the plug i'd need outside of the cube for a radeon 9800pro and here (http://cubeowner.com/gallery/Radeon-9800-Cube-Powersupply%21) is a very good looking power supply for it. :)

But really - i'm hoping for a 9700pro if i can find one. :)

Quamen
31st August 2004, 06:35 AM
Disko, for the fan, check out the Zalman OP-1. (http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod987.htm) That might fit the bill.

My 9700 pro is a little screamer. So hopefully there is some way to get yourself a nice card and make it shut the hell up. I used to have the zalman heatpipe cooler on mine, but that won't fit in my shuttle case.

Gothikon
31st August 2004, 07:51 AM
you can actually fit an 80x80x25 mm fan if you bend the clips in the base of the cube, this is what most people do.

I was actually meaning a fan on one of the GeForce 2 cards though. An 8500 is still one of the better cards you can fit in the Cube. Hopefully now that the Radeon 9200 PCI has been released we'll be able to start flashing the AGP 9200's soon, these cards have similar performance to the 8500 but there are a lot of half height cards that wouldn't require the DC/DC relocation.

Disko
31st August 2004, 11:27 AM
Quamen - do you have the Zalman OP-1? That will fit, and its cheap - but i'm just wondering how much louder 20-30db would be in my cube...

I saw the 'how to' on modding a 80x80x25mm fan to fit Gothikon, but i'd rather not do too much cutting stuff up. :)

Disko
31st August 2004, 11:38 AM
ultimately, i should have added this in the first post. i'm looking for a card that'll run tiger's core image: ATI Radeon 9800 XT
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra
NVIDIA GeForceFX Go 5200
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra

edit: and it appears that cubeowner only has a tutorial on the 9800pro installation. :unsure:

Quamen
31st August 2004, 12:29 PM
I don't presonally have the OP-1. But Zalman have made themselves a very good reputation for offering quiet cooling solutions.

As a general rule around 20db is considered unaudible from background noise. Every 3db increase is percieved as doubling in audible volume.

20db is the quietest spec I've seen on a 80mm fan. But it's the quitest I've seen on a slim 80mm fan. And at $19 you could grab one and try it out and not be too far out of pocket if it's still a bit too loud for you.

Disko
15th September 2004, 11:12 AM
Well, i've purchased a card. A Radeon 9000. I'll give flashing it a go after i get it. Has anyone got anymore fan advice?

Disko
16th September 2004, 05:16 PM
The radeon 9000 arrived yesterday and works nicely in my PC. ;)

Next steps: finding a rom, flashing the card, modding the cube (for the card to fit), playing halo.

here's a pic.

Disko
3rd October 2004, 04:25 PM
What a terrible pic. :)

I've given up on the radeon 9000pro.
BUT i've just *hopefully* won an auction for a radeon 7000, which byrd covers in his article. What the hey - i'll attach a pic.

As you can see, it is much more suitable for a cube. B)

Disko
18th October 2004, 03:07 PM
hey.

I'm looking to do a mod (http://www.drbottkg.com/prod/Radeon9000Cube.html) on my cube so i can fit a wider video card. I was wondering if anyone knew where i could locate a "30 Pin Male-Female IDC Type Cable Extension" in Australia? i've found this US site (http://www.cablesandconnectors.com/) which has them for sale - but i'd rather shop locally. I'll need it to be about 12".

can anyone point me in the right direction?

purana
18th October 2004, 07:29 PM
Thought about making one? I believe the cable and plugs can be had from jaycar :)

Disko
18th October 2004, 08:50 PM
Making one!!?

Well, that's probably beyond me, unless it's really easy.

Disko
19th October 2004, 06:57 PM
Okay. i've been quite busy looking into and purchasing new cards for my cube.

Now, i have: ATI Rage 128 Pro (stock standard cube video card)
ATI Radeon 7000pro PC (needs to be flashed)
Hercules 9000pro PC (needs to be flashed, but i have no idea how)
ATI Radeon 9200 PC (needs to be flashed, not sure if it's possible)
Hercules Geforce2 3d Prophet etc... PC(not sure about if this one can be flashed)
Eagle Geforce4 MX440 128MB PC (a cheapy - not sure of anything :) )

I've been looking around the web, and have found that i can fit a sapphire radeon 9800SE in my cube, and it works, as proven on cubeowner. I located a couple of local sources for these:
Sapphire 9800SE (http://www.achieva.com.au/sapphire_ati/sap9800se.htm) <-- i&#39;m sure that one can be flashed
Sapphire 9800 pro (http://www.achieva.com.au/sapphire_ati/sap9800.htm) <-- i hope that one can be flashed
Those two are possibly the last video cards that will be able to support 2x AGP in a cube. Hopefully i can get my hands on one.
Does anyone have one of these saphire&#39;s laying around that i could have for cheap?

Also - i&#39;m running very low on cash, so if someone would like one of these cards, i&#39;ll be selling all of them if i can get the 9000, 9200 or 9800&#39;s working in the cube. ;)

I&#39;ve attached a pic of the 9800se - that I hope will one day come my way. :)

Gothikon
19th October 2004, 08:44 PM
I think almost nobody has successfully flashed a Radeon 9000.

Go to www.cubeowner.com they have a dedicated section in the forums for flashing graphics cards, more comprehensive than anywhere else I have found, also any card that works in a Cube will work in any other mac with AGP.

Flashing the Radeon 7000 and GeForce 2 should be easy unless you are particularly unlucky. People have had some success with Radeon 9200&#39;s but you have to modify the connector by covering some pins with tape to make it work in an AGP 2x slot. Also it seems the card has to match the references design by ATI

Disko
19th October 2004, 09:01 PM
Cool gothikon, cheers.

I see by your sig that you&#39;ve got a cube yourself? Have you had any luck with upgrading yours?

mjankor
19th October 2004, 09:59 PM
Is the Radeon 9600 from a G5 likely to fit?

What dimensions are required?

If it was feasible to fit the card in you could use the tape mod to switch it to 2/4x AGP.

It&#39;s passively cooled too so it doesn&#39;t have a fan. You may have to add one though, there&#39;s a fair bit more airflow through a G5.

Disko
20th October 2004, 02:08 PM
Not sure about the exact dimentions. I can say that for any card wider than say 3 1/2 inches will need the above cable so i can mod the cube to fit it. The cube&#39;s outer dimensions are 8"x8". I know that the Gigabyte radeon9000pro is about as long as a card could get.

mjankor
20th October 2004, 03:27 PM
I&#39;ll get you card dimensions on the 9600 tonight.

Disko
20th October 2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Disko@Oct 19 2004, 06:27 PM
I&#39;ve been looking around the web, and have found that i can fit a sapphire radeon 9800SE in my cube, and it works, as proven on cubeowner. I located a couple of local sources for these:
Sapphire 9800SE (http://www.achieva.com.au/sapphire_ati/sap9800se.htm) <-- i&#39;m sure that one can be flashed
Sapphire 9800 pro (http://www.achieva.com.au/sapphire_ati/sap9800.htm) <-- i hope that one can be flashed
Those two are possibly the last video cards that will be able to support 2x AGP in a cube. Hopefully i can get my hands on one.
Does anyone have one of these saphire&#39;s laying around that i could have for cheap?
*sigh*

I&#39;ve just contacted the Australian distributer for these cards.

Hi, we do not carry many of the 9800 series cards in stock now. We may have
a 9800xt in stock. The higher end VGA cards we carry now is the x800 series
which is to replace the 9800 series.

So - if anyone knows where i can get one of those cards... you know where to find me. :)

mjankor
20th October 2004, 07:27 PM
Dimensions on the Radeon 9600 from my G5 are

Height from extent of pins to top of card = 108mm
Width = 16mm
Depth from metal face to back of card= 174mm

Disko
20th October 2004, 07:29 PM
looks like the 9600 isn&#39;t good for the cube anyway, but thanks. :/
http://www.cubeowner.com/forums//index.php...e=post&id=48071 (http://www.cubeowner.com/forums//index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=48071)

Gothikon
20th October 2004, 09:11 PM
I&#39;ve upgraded the RAM and the HD. I had a flashed GeForce 2MX for a while, an ASUS 7100. That card overheated and died so I&#39;ve replaced it with a flashed Radeon 7000. I&#39;ve been planning on getting a CPU upgrade for a while, the market has stabilised and the prices are dropping now, basically there isn&#39;t anything over 1.5 GHz and doesn&#39;t look like there will be. To be honest I don&#39;t have much need for more speed on the Cube at the moment but I&#39;ll get one sooner or later.

Disko
20th October 2004, 09:14 PM
which radeon do you have? Is it anything like this one? I want to be sure of which rom to use before i try flashing it.

mjankor
20th October 2004, 09:15 PM
What does that chart mean. Does it mean that the 9600 will not fit into the AGP slot because of different slot designs or it will not work because it&#39;s an 8x AGP card?

How many cubes are you running Disko?

Disko
20th October 2004, 09:19 PM
not sure what it means - but i&#39;ll take it as a "it wont work". :)

I"m only running the one cube now. Otherwise i&#39;d be a lot more risky with the steps i take.

decryption
20th October 2004, 11:54 PM
It won&#39;t work because the previous AGP specification required more power, and if you put a new card in there that requires less power, it will fry your card :)

Gothikon
21st October 2004, 07:18 AM
Cubeowner has all the details for doing a "tape mod" which makes 8x AGP cards work in 2 and 4x AGP Macs, seems to work with most cards. Of course that doesn&#39;t make the card much more likely to work, it&#39;s only a small piece of the puzzle. It certainly won&#39;t make a card that&#39;s too big fit in a Cube&#33;

Disko
23rd October 2004, 07:40 PM
Hooray&#33;

I&#39;ve just successfully installed a fan into my cube&#33; With the help from the nice people idling away in #apple (http://www.appletalk.com.au/irc.php) i got it to run at 7v, so there&#39;s a fair bit of airflow but not too much noise.

Next step: radeon 7000pro. :)

Disko
10th November 2004, 03:56 PM
*hopefully* i&#39;ll have my hands on one of those sapphire&#39;s soon. i&#39;ve found one, and now its just a matter of time. :unsure:

I want to flash all the cards i have. Starting at the 7000, and *hopefully* working my way up to the 9800pro if i do manage to get it. Any cards i have left over, i&#39;ll probably want to sell (considering they&#39;ll just be laying around) and i&#39;ll probably do it here.

I&#39;m still looking for that cable i mentioned earlier - if anyone can help me find/make one, that&#39;d be handy.

Wish me luck&#33;

markh
10th November 2004, 04:16 PM
I assue you can get the parts ar jaycar/dse... simple matter of cutting the ribbon cable to the desired length, insert the ribbon cable into thye plug... and compress the top clip of the plug down in a vice. (never found those ribbon cable crimping tools to be of much use)

If thast too much for you, maybe i could mak up one and ship over

titan44
10th November 2004, 04:54 PM
Hey Disko, Don&#39;t the Powercolors fit into the cubes as well, I&#39;m just wondering why you&#39;re so dead keen on going with a sapphire.

Currawong
10th November 2004, 05:48 PM
By the way, the fan you want is the Panaflow 80mm fan. It&#39;s only 15mm thick. PCCasegear sell them.

Disko
10th November 2004, 07:27 PM
Thanks curra - i&#39;ve already got a fan in it at the moment, but that&#39;s a standard fan. I&#39;m hoping for a verax one of these days.

If it turns out that the 9800 comes my way, i&#39;ll be able to power the fan from the same external power supply that powers the card.

Titan: Powercolours fit as well, but something about all pipelines running on the sapphire. And the tutorial that i&#39;ve seen on flashing them deals with this card specifically.

larfinboy
15th November 2004, 03:53 PM
Just a couple of questions on this topic.
The list of video card that support Tigers core image. Is this list final ?

From the point of view of running Tiger on my G4 tower, should I be looking for one of the cards that is in the list posted earlier ?
There are issues with voltages and the G4 only having a 2X AGP slot. So running a card like a Geforce FX5200 doesn&#39;t appear to be an option.

I flashed a Geforce2 MX400 on the weekend and it sort of worked but Mac OS X kept hanging in the same spot.
There was some issues with the initial Apple logo on boot being distorted.
This card has been flashed back to PC and is working fine. I don&#39;t know what brand the card is as I got it from a mate of a mate and it was cheap.

So I&#39;ve picked up a Radeon 8500 today. However the card doesn&#39;t appear to match the ATI card that most of the web sites refer to so I took a punt that it would flash ok.
I guess I&#39;ll see what happens tonight when I flash it.

Am I wasting my time with these cards if they won&#39;t run Tiger ?

Disko
15th November 2004, 03:59 PM
I&#39;m afraid i can&#39;t help with any of your questions - but i&#39;d just like to share: I&#39;m now the proud owner of a sapphire radeon 9800pro. The kind that fit and work in cubes. I&#39;m very stoked - and yes, it&#39;ll run the tiger effects.

Larfinboy - you&#39;re welcome to try flashing my 9000, 9200 and geforce4 mx440 if you feel the need. I don&#39;t know where to start with flashing video cards.

Edge
17th November 2004, 04:14 AM
Flashing cards is pretty straight forward, especially if you have a PC. It is also possible to do it on a Mac.

The Powercolor 64MB Radeon 7000 pictured earlier will most likely flash, but require a reduced 64k version of the ROM. As for the 9200, only one brand (Connect3D) has been reported to work at CubeOwner. Some 9200SE cards partially function, but not reliably. And a couple of GeForce 5200 Ultras have been flashed successfully, but these are impossible to find (the regular 5200s don&#39;t work ....) GeForce 4s haven&#39;t been done and the Radeon 9000 is a mystery; a few have claimed success, but no info is available.

So for CoreImage support in Tiger, the remaining option for Cube owners is the 9800, with an external power supply. These too are difficult to find. Disko, where did your Sapphire come from? They are rare even in the USA. The PowerColor card should work, too. I believe Sprinter (from CubeOwner) runs one in his G4 tower. He is a Melbourne guy who has been an invaluable source of info.

Disko
17th November 2004, 08:46 AM
Ebay my man. ebay. :)
I just got bored one afternoon and did a search for 9800 sapphire and it came up. :)
I was bidding against another person who wanted it for his cube, who wished me luck with it.

I&#39;ll try the 7000 first, and then the 9200se... THEN the 9800pro. :)

jamall
17th November 2004, 10:56 AM
Disko, glad to see you finally won the Sapphire - I had to stop myself from bidding on it several times&#33; Lucky I saw your post at CubeOwner or we could have cost eachother a lot of money. I found a GeForce 2 MXR for &#036;25 to tide me over until another one of those Sapphires comes up, because I&#39;m not holding my breath. Good luck with the flashing.

Disko
17th November 2004, 11:32 AM
If i get the 9800pro working, then i&#39;ll be selling off all my other cards listed in this thread... keep that in mind jamall. And thanks again for your courtesey. If i see another 9800pro - you&#39;ll be the first to know. :)

larfinboy
19th November 2004, 11:07 AM
Well I now I have Geforce4 MX440 back. This is a Sparkle card, which is probably similar to the PowerColor cards.
I can&#39;t seem to find any real information or links for the Geforce4 MX cards.

Is there anyone out there that has a genuine Apple card that we could possible suck the firmware from ?

Disko, where are you at with flashing cards ?
I&#39;ve got a PC with a PCI video card so flash cards is a piece of cake.

Disko
19th November 2004, 11:15 AM
I&#39;ve got a PC with a PCI video card, and a FDD that doesn&#39;t want to work. I&#39;ve got no idea about flashing cards. :)

iSlayer
19th November 2004, 11:36 AM
disko you can flash it from a mac tower that has a pci video card aswell.
flashing cards in mac is simple but in a pc its harder.
macs you can do it from insider os x which is nice and simple but pc&#39;s need to boot into dos and do it all from command prompt.
if your fdd is broken you could burn a bootable cd from nero or something similar and run everything from there.
i assume your already got the roms and bootdisk image from cubeowner

pipsqeek
19th November 2004, 04:18 PM
I also have a GF4 MX440. and I have looked into flashing it to work in my Mac.

Since my gaming box (a PC) has the GF4, I wanted to get a 9600XT Pro for it and stick the GF4 into the G4 450MHz tower.

But the news is not good. Apparently the PC and Mac versions are completely different, and the ROM is not even compatible.

Then again, this information is only based on the fact that no one has been successfull enough with doing this.

Good luck to the one who has:

a. Money
b. Money
c. Extensible GF4 card collection

vortex
23rd November 2004, 11:00 AM
I&#39;m using a flashed 9800 pro here, a gecube 9800pro ... with the reduced roms, works a treat, and is -fast- :)

Disko
23rd November 2004, 11:01 AM
do tell vortex&#33;
What power supply are you using for it? Is there any special heatsink you used on the card? Got pics?

Welcome to AppleTalk, btw. :P

vortex
23rd November 2004, 03:23 PM
hmmm, it is for my dual g5, but it is of a similiar profile to the sapphire cards, just thought I&#39;d contribute to show the roms really do work ... :)
(Quite easily done on the pc too if you have a pci video card... and a dos bootdisk... :))
Cant imagine it&#39;d be too hard to get a external powersupply working on the cube... the vidcard uses a standard molex power connector.. looking pretty or not that is a different question..

neilrobinson
1st January 2005, 03:00 PM
kinda wondering how everyone is going with the flashing?

i have a GF FX 5200 Ver: A 128mb DDR, VGA, DVI, TV which i am trying to flash ;)

i am having some luck, the first rom i got of cubeowner didn&#39;t work - no signal to monitor, the second one i got a display but it was corrupted, so i am getting their - any idea&#39;s whats causing this?

i am also looking for any successfully flashed cards that are available in australia,

neil

btw i am using a pc to flash them and putting it in a G4 400 sawtooth

Disko
1st January 2005, 03:04 PM
well, i tried flashing a radeon7000 and it failed miserably. :(
Now, i&#39;m waiting on a IDV cable so that i can try my wider cards.

Byrd
2nd January 2005, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by neilrobinson@Jan 1 2005, 03:00 PM
i have a GF FX 5200 Ver: A 128mb DDR, VGA, DVI, TV which i am trying to flash ;)
Hi Neil,

It&#39;s only a FX 5200 Ultra that works - is that what you have?

JB

Rayd
2nd January 2005, 12:16 AM
have i mentioned that i flashed a 9800 Pro (gigabyte technologies) one.. works great... disko if you have multipule macs get a VNC network goin eg. Remote Desktop and view the screen while flashing the card... its sinch.. if u need any help.. just throw me a PM :D

PS: since the 9800 PRO has to have a Power Source , and the Cube&#39;s power supply doesnt have enuf power in it to power everything you will need a external power source for it :D

neilrobinson
2nd January 2005, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by bYrd@Jan 2 2005, 12:05 AM
Hi Neil,

It&#39;s only a FX 5200 Ultra that works - is that what you have?

JB
it was sold to me as an ultra a while ago, i didn&#39;t really buy it for flashing. it does have 8 ram chips which according to cubeowner means its ultra, my only thing is that i think it is clocked slower because it dont have a fan, just one really big and heavy heatsink (at least 800gms)

have been trying to figure a way to edit the rom to slow it down.

Jimbo
2nd January 2005, 10:13 AM
ALL, i have a geforce 4 mx in my housemates g4 tower.

I&#39;m sure i could get the firmware, but how do i go about it.
If someone pm or emails me at jamesallen @comcen.com.au

That would be awesome.

Willing to help the flashing community, after my dismal failure...

:(

neilrobinson
2nd January 2005, 10:29 AM
sorry mate, will reply when i get home, just of to the tennis&#33; :drool:

neilrobinson
2nd January 2005, 07:09 PM
i think that Geforce 4&#39;s need some chips to be changed? anybody else know about this?

titan44
2nd January 2005, 08:25 PM
Yeah, from memory you need to do a bit of smd soldering, not really worth it these days.
It&#39;s a bit of a bonanza at the moment with ati&#39;s cards.

neilrobinson
2nd January 2005, 08:28 PM
yeah,

going to get a 1ghz upgrade soonish then looking at a 9200 or something like that to flash.

jamall
5th January 2005, 07:22 PM
Thanks Disko, but I just picked up a 9600XT from a guy in Brissy - waiting for it to arrive. I don&#39;t actually have a cube, I was going to buy one and pimp it out, but ended up with a digital audio instead. At the moment it&#39;s alternating between dual 600MHz (overclocked 500&#39;s) and an 800MHz (an overclocked 733 w/o cache) processor card. I think I&#39;ll settle on the dual 600&#39;s which are faster for most things. That will tide me over until the Freescale 2.5+GHz based upgrades hit the market in the coming year. I have a PC GeForce 2MX lying around that I was going to flash but never did if anyone wants to buy it. I may also sell the Radeon 8500 that the 9600XT will replace. Holy shit Jimbo, my name is James Allan and I live in Canberra too&#33; You trying to steal my identity or something? In your dreams pal&#33;

neilrobinson
5th January 2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by jamall@Jan 5 2005, 07:22 PM
I have a PC GeForce 2MX lying around that I was going to flash but never did if anyone wants to buy it. I may also sell the Radeon 8500 that the 9600XT will replace.
abs want the 8500&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; and if not the geforce.

jamall
5th January 2005, 10:34 PM
I&#39;m not sure about the 8500, but the 2MX is definitely up for grabs. email me.

sprinter
7th January 2005, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Disko@Jan 1 2005, 03:04 PM
well, i tried flashing a radeon7000 and it failed miserably. :(
Hello Disko, now I have joined this site. :)

How could you failed with a Radeon 7000? It is very hard to fail flashing a Radeon 7000.

Disko
7th January 2005, 09:46 AM
Hey sprinter, welcome on board. :)

I shouldn&#39;t have said &#39;failed&#39; - i should have said &#39;method 1 didn&#39;t work, i&#39;m trying another soon&#39;. I tried flashing it via VNC (in my cube) via the guide you have up on cubeowner. The cube would boot, i&#39;d hear the startup chime, but then nothing (edit: VNC would never kick in, regardless of what i did, I also had ARD setup on the machine before this and that didn&#39;t work either). I couldn&#39;t see what was going on, so i didn&#39;t know what was happening. When i get my hands on a PC or MDD i&#39;ll certainly give it another shot - but i&#39;m really indifferent to the 7000 as i&#39;ve got the 9800pro sitting here waiting for the power distribution relocation mod, all i need is the cable.
You don&#39;t know of a source in Australia for these cables do you? :P

sprinter
7th January 2005, 10:22 AM
I don&#39;t unfortunately Disko.

It is good that you have found a working black PCB Sapphire 9800 Pro. Good luck with it.

Have you tried flashing the Radeon 7000 blindly on OS 9? It is worth a try.

BTW, I am selling PC 9200 64MB AGP cards converted to the Mac, http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=3493 It uses universal AGP and could fits well in the Cube.

Disko
7th January 2005, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by sprinter@Jan 7 2005, 10:52 AM
Have you tried flashing the Radeon 7000 blindly on OS 9? It is worth a try.
That&#39;ll be my next attempt.

Also - i have a GeXcube 9200se, and i&#39;ve just read in this thread (http://www.cubeowner.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=8948) that you&#39;ve managed to get a 9200se working... wouldn&#39;t be the gexcube that you got working is it? <_<

sprinter
7th January 2005, 12:31 PM
Hehe, nope, that&#39;s not it. :rolleyes:

BTW, the card I have found working is the card I am selling. A screenshot of it is attached to the last message on that page. It being a 9200se just means that 128MB becomes 64MB, it still performs like a 9200 card with 64MB memory. The chip itself is a 9200.

Edge
7th January 2005, 01:58 PM
Hey, Sprinter. What&#39;s up? ;) Good to see you here.

dovla
7th January 2005, 02:02 PM
Disko you can have my Radeon 7000 which works perfectly in cube :P

sprinter
7th January 2005, 04:02 PM
Thanks Edge. Nice to see a regular from Cubeowner here too. I hope I could be of some help here.

Alec
14th January 2005, 04:31 PM
Oh my gootness&#33; Flashing all over the place&#33;
What&#39;s up boys&#33;

:P

Edge
14th January 2005, 04:43 PM
Here&#39;s trouble. Everyone hide, quick, before he sees us ....

Alec
15th January 2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Edge@Jan 14 2005, 04:43 PM
Here&#39;s trouble. Everyone hide, quick, before he sees us ....
Lol&#33;
I promise to behave. :P
Just stopping by from cubeowner to say hi to the good folks down under.

:D

Disko
21st April 2005, 10:15 AM
OK. here&#39;s the next update...

I have recently purchased a GF2MX from bonsai, and it all works nicely. Finally - my cube supports quartz. :P

But that is only a small stepping stone to the real prize: the 9800pro. I have successfully done the mod to fit bigger cards into the cube, and it is running fine like that. I grabbed a spare (and very quiet) power supply from work. So the next step was to flash the card, and i&#39;d have 9800pro goodness.

So i set it up so that it logs in automatically, set VNC to load on startup, shut it down and put in the 9800pro. I powered up the 9800pro first, then tried to power up the cube. Nothing. Not even the power LED acknowledging my finger being there. I tried a few different things in a bleak attempt to get the cube to power up - and all i got was nothing.

So what do i do from here? Does anyone with experience know which part of the process is at fault? I&#39;m thinking maybe the power supply doesn&#39;t give enough power to the card. kim jong mentioned on irc that i might need to tape pins 3 and 11 to force it into 2x AGP, but the Sapphires supported 2xAGP anyway, so i didn&#39;t think i&#39;d need to?

Help. :/

jobe
21st April 2005, 10:50 AM
that&#39;s apparently a fairly common problem. According to the cubeowners guide (http://www.cubeowner.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=8804) on flashing


6. Open up your Mac. Install the PC Radeon AGP video card into the Mac. Attach the monitor to the AGP video card and turn on the Mac, you will not see anything but wait for the sounds to indicate that OS X has finished loading. Once OS X completely loaded, press Return twice to start the VNC server. If the Mac doesn&#39;t boot at all (no chime), shut it down, go to step 7. If you heard the chime but no disk activity and the OS does not load, use the steps for the PC. If it is booting properly, go to step 8.

7. Take the Radeon AGP card out of the Mac, get some sticky tape, cut two small strips of sticky tape and tape connectors #3 and #11 (counting from the right on the BACK of the card with the AGP connectors pointing downward). Install the card in the Mac, turn the Mac on. Once OS X completely loaded, press Return to launch OSXvnc.

I&#39;d say give it a shot.

edit: Also. Does the card have a plug for direct power from the power supply?

Disko
21st April 2005, 06:34 PM
yeah jobe, it has the same sized power plug in the corner as a FDD on a PC does... I&#39;m using a 2nd external power adaptor to run it.

bonsai
21st April 2005, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Disko@Apr 21 2005, 06:34 PM
yeah jobe, it has the same sized power plug in the corner as a FDD on a PC does... I&#39;m using a 2nd external power adaptor to run it.
Did you tape pins 3 and 11 on the back of the card going from the right? Also, did you use the correct rom size file? There are 2 files sizes available, one is 128k for cards with a 128k rom and there is also a reduced flashrom which is 64k.

One last thing, you might have to resolder the strapping resistors to the mac posistion, and don&#39;t forgot to use a very fine soldering tip otherwise it&#39;ll be a masacre.

Disko
21st April 2005, 08:18 PM
I really don&#39;t think i&#39;ll need any *tinkering* with this card - this is the first one that amacapart originally got working in his cube. The only thing that needs to be changed (according to him) is the rom.

Now, i&#39;m guessing it is the pins - since i didn&#39;t even get to the flashing stage of it before. I had put the card in with the intention of flashing it, and didn&#39;t even get power to the cube.

rgordo
14th September 2005, 02:47 PM
I recently flashed a Powercolor Radeon 7000 PCI card with no problem and used it in my Blue & White. Really happy with it as both DVI and TV outs work without any problem at all. Thus embolded I picked up a Powercolor Radeon 7000 AGP to use in my Quicksilver. While flashing the mac7k.bin file was successful. I could not get the m208full.bin file to flash on the PC nor could I get the ATI 208 update to work on the Mac. I get an error message sayinh that there was an error (duh) writing to the ROM. On the PC I get an error message that there was an error verifying 65536 (I suppose a RAM addres). Using the Flashrom -i feature I do get a 0x20000 reading which should mean I have a 128k ROM. Anybody have any ideas what&#39;s going wrong?