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The_Hawk
24th October 2012, 11:33 AM
I have been looking at the MacBook Pro's with their sexy sexy retina displays but can't help to be completely disappointed.

In both cases the 15" and now the new 13" have simply doubled the pixel count to display retina assets. Sure that makes things look bloody awesome and all but they are still running an effective resolution of 1440x900 and 1280 x 800 for the 15" and 13" respectively.

My last Mac was a 17" MBP 1920 x 1200 in all it's glory gave lots of real estate to get work done and have multiple windows open and useable. When I moved to the current 13" MBA I was tossing up between this and a 13" MBP but the higher screen res on the MBA really was the main selling point for me.

In my mind the 1680x1050 15" and 1440x900 13" screens are about perfect for their respective sizes, that step down to 1149x900 and 1280x800 sounds small but makes one hell of a difference in normal use.

While I am aware of some dirty hacks that allow you to run the machines at full native res, things are just too insanely small for normal people to find useful.

I would seriously consider the new form factor 13" MBP (Retina) since it's only slightly heavier than the MBA but brings some more CPU grunt to the table (although sadly it's still limited to 8GB RAM and the Intel 4000 GFX chip) but that crappy effective screen res means I won't even start looking.

rav3n
24th October 2012, 11:43 AM
Actually thats just what apple have deemed best for retina. The 15" has a max effective res of 1920x1080, and the 13" has 1680x1050.

simonm
24th October 2012, 11:49 AM
No need to be disappointed. The rMBPs allow you to change the apparent resolution in System Preferences...up to 1920 x 1200 for the 15" model. I'm not sure what the maximum "looks like" resolution is on the 13" as it's only just been released!

The display is scaled to that resolution which means that bitmapped resources aren't exactly pixel doubled, but Apple's scaling is very good and it still looks very sharp.

The_Hawk
24th October 2012, 02:08 PM
I did not know you could do that! I'll have to have a closer look and see how those "scaled up" things look at what is a non native resolution or a doubling. I know the dots are very very small on retina displays so maybe the traditional blurring of non native displays won't bother me so much...

GlossyMac
24th October 2012, 03:04 PM
Have you guys noticed when using a Retina MacBook Pro, websites & non -retina enabled apps look like aboslute crap??
Changing the resolution will fix this?

rav3n
24th October 2012, 03:23 PM
Have you guys noticed when using a Retina MacBook Pro, websites & non -retina enabled apps look like aboslute crap??
Changing the resolution will fix this?

In theory yes, in practice though probably not.

visional_studios
25th October 2012, 02:47 PM
I'm in the exact same boat mate, I'm currently using a 2010 17" MBP i5 - and I love having 1920 x 1200 pixels to work in (I'm a UI designer).
It's starting to feel a little sluggish and I really want to buy a new laptop...

Yes I we can run the non native 1920x1200 on the retina MBP, which actually looks pretty darn good (saw it in the shop), but my question is about performance. After doing some research OSX is multiplying the res and then scaling it back to 1920x1200. Surely this has to effect performance? I don't want to buy a new laptop and it be slower than my current one.

bennyling
25th October 2012, 03:02 PM
I'm in the exact same boat mate, I'm currently using a 2010 17" MBP i5 - and I love having 1920 x 1200 pixels to work in (I'm a UI designer).
It's starting to feel a little sluggish and I really want to buy a new laptop...

Yes I we can run the non native 1920x1200 on the retina MBP, which actually looks pretty darn good (saw it in the shop), but my question is about performance. After doing some research OSX is multiplying the res and then scaling it back to 1920x1200. Surely this has to effect performance? I don't want to buy a new laptop and it be slower than my current one.

Yeah, it does affect performance: when you go into System Prefs and change the scaling up or down, it even says it'll affect performance.

Just scrolling webpages gets a little sluggish when you're using a retina at the highest scaled res (1900x1200 from memory).

Don't own a Retina personally, but that's just what I've heard. Someone else who actually owns one might be able to chime in more here.

visional_studios
26th October 2012, 08:51 PM
For me it just sounds like there are too many drawbacks to a retina display, the GPU has to do a lot of work just to render the screen, even more when running 1920x1200. I imagine it would get pretty slow when I start using apps that actually leverage the GPU as well.

I think I'll get the non retina version with the high res anti glare display, maxed out cpu and put 16gb of ram and large SSD in it myself. That should beat the pants off my 2.5 year old i5 machine.

chris
7th November 2012, 10:29 PM
I have one and notice no impact on performance when using the 1920x1200 option.

Mutters
14th November 2012, 04:51 PM
I have one and notice no impact on performance when using the 1920x1200 option.

Agreed - and wasn't it 10.8 that was meant to fix this?