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symean
23rd November 2005, 08:37 AM
Here's what I hope to see from Apple early next year.

Differences to current 12" iBook:

- Intel processor
- 7cm less in depth
- no modem (can optionally buy Apple's USB modem)
- 3 USB ports
- built in mighty mouse (well, the nipple part of it, anyway)
- around 1.8 kgs
- RRP AU$1199 (or less)

I don't know about a built-in optical drive. It isn't a very 'Apple' way of thinking to have an external drive. They seem to be doing wonders with the iPods so maybe their engineering is good enough to cram one in there, along with a hard drive and battery and all the other bits & pieces. It would be easier if they used the same 40/60GB drives they use in the iPods, but I don't know what the throughput of those are, so they might not be useable for OS X. Though if they had the same 32/64MB caches as the iPods do, perhaps...

Disko
23rd November 2005, 09:15 AM
I reckon a new iBook would go thinner, especially since Apple have some of Sony's vaio team employed at the moment. Also - the screens will probably move to 13" widescreen.

Otherwise, thats a great mockup. ;)

stevejay
23rd November 2005, 09:24 AM
Apple have been going hammer and tongs to secure all the flashram they can, so maybe an iBook mini might not even have a hard disk. 512Mb RAM, 10Gb or 15Gb flash, 13" widescreen, 2 USB, 1 Firewire, no optical drive or modem, built-in airport and lighter than pigeon feathers. (Yeh, I can hear a Kerrigan talking to me already, "You're dreamin'!") I'd buy a sub-note rather than full-on portable to supplement my desktop if the price were right.

varsis
23rd November 2005, 09:24 AM
Edit:
Okay, well i think the ibook will get lighter keep with slot loading drive, and keep all the plugs, becuase the modem comes in handy on vactions ect.., more ram room will come and room for a better video card 64 mb? 128 mb card? who knows but Flash drives are possible but it will have atleast 32 gb, but the price may increase but will be alot better of computer and alot longer battery life.

symean
23rd November 2005, 10:35 AM
While we're dreaming, can we please see the return of the modules? Ever since the black PowerBooks (and earlier on my PB 1400) I've missed modules. If Apple plan it carefully, and allow the same modules to be used in every iBook (side) and PowerBook (front) model, they would prove very popular. I guess either make the module 'faceplate' the same colour on all models, or make it so it snaps on and off, like the drawer faceplates on optical drives so manufacturers could include a couple to suit your 'book of choice. If it had a connector that ran off internal power & USB/PCI bus, you'd eventually have a myriad of modules available from Apple and third-parties:

- newer repacement optical drives
- extra hard drive
- extra battery
- USB/FireWire hub
- media reader
- GPS
- analog video in/out
- weight saving module (empty)
- radio/TV tuner
- iPod slide-in dock

gizo
23rd November 2005, 11:08 AM
i get the feeling that Apple is heading towards a trio of portables.
the 13" iBook
the 15" + 17" pBooks.
(all HD of course, as the Leopard GUI moves away from absolute pixels to relative measurements)

nice and simple. and with the yonah inside, the iBook will step up to fill the 12" pBook gap.

The Fluffy Duck
23rd November 2005, 11:18 AM
yeah Having a flash memory "hard disk" is a good idea especially for laptops. but I dont think it will happen for a couple of years or more. the Flash memory is just to small and too expenisve :(

gizo
23rd November 2005, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by stevejay@Nov 23 2005, 09:24 AM
Apple have been going hammer and tongs to secure all the flashram they can, so maybe an iBook mini might not even have a hard disk.
I get the feeling that I read a fairly decent rebuttal (?sp) of this Flash-Drive-Laptop theory fairly recently. But I can't for the life of me remember where. And I may be very wrong also.

But I personally think that Apple is buying all the flash for the Nano's and the new Shuffles

Disko
23rd November 2005, 11:39 AM
People look for any excuse to have a whinge about Apple products (eg: 1 mouse button, no ogg/wma playback, ipod battery, etc) and a 15GB flash drive would just give them more of an excuse. "OMG - no disk space." even a 30GB is a bit on the small side these days.

Disko
23rd November 2005, 03:14 PM
Or to rebutt myself on that point, this article (http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05112225.htm) raises some *very* good arguments for why Apple will use NAND drives in other devices:

I think Apple's going to be offering instant-on computers in the very near future. Make that near-instant. Faster than normal, anyway. And some of these may just be the integrated music and video home-media boxes people have been predicting ever since the iPod redefined Apple's game.

Confused yet? Let's take a step back and look again at the big NAND flash deal that Apple signed with Toshiba, Samsung, and a new joint venture between Intel and Micron Technologies.

After writing about this big to-do, it started to gnaw at me. Could Apple possibly use all that flash RAM just for gadgets? I suppose it might. But the more I looked at the situation, the more the pieces started to fall into their obvious places. Intel. Apple. Flash.

... and Robson.

Robson is the name -- Latin for "really boring name" -- that Intel has given its upcoming technology to integrate NAND flash into computers. It will load important chunks of the operating system into flash memory, where it remains even when the machine is powered down. On restart, a computer won't need to go through so much of the usual laborious process of grabbing data from the hard drive, loading it into RAM, reporting it to the Men In Black, and so on. Intel has so far been showing off this technology in laptops, where it promises to provide longer battery life. But there's another related benefit.

It might be possible to get these things to start up instantly -- or nearly so. Let's be honest, anything shorter than 20-30 seconds is going to seem like instant to most of us. And let the record also show that one of the prime complaints about attempts at making a home-media PC is the (now perhaps solved) problem of long startup times for computers, especially when compared with the typical TV, stereo, or DVD deck.Now, that would be cool.

symean
23rd November 2005, 03:14 PM
PhotoShop + time to spare =

helloroto
23rd November 2005, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by symean@Nov 23 2005, 03:14 PM
PhotoShop + time to spare =
What would it boot from?

Byrd
23rd November 2005, 04:06 PM
Having flash incorporated into a new portable isn't a bad idea, especially when hybrid flash/hard disks are supposed to be released 'real soon'.

Imagine having a silent, long-lasting machine that has a special partition of OS X installed onto the flash drive - if you're doing basic operating system tasks, the hard disk doesn't need to be accessed, only when other applications and specific data is required, only then will is spin up the hard disk.

Dunno but sounds cool to me :D

JB

Mac Aid
23rd November 2005, 09:42 PM
The problem with flash for a hard drive is you cant write a swap file to it, as it fails after a small number of cycles (in the thousands), so unless you have a hobbled OS, and/or oodles of RAM, it wouldn't work.

eudaemons
23rd November 2005, 09:56 PM
Samsung is the one playing with "flash based hdds". They still have HDD platters just mixed together.

All it does in reality is take what is inside RAM at the time, write it to the flash HDD and go into sleep mode. When you open up, it goes in reverse, REALLY REALLY FAST.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDr..._0000117556.htm (http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/news/HardDiskDrive_20050425_0000117556.htm)

^^^ Hybrid Drive. Kinda sounds like Toyatas ad for "Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive"

Rayd
23rd November 2005, 10:16 PM
mmm i would love a tiny PB/iBook the perfect size would be around the size of a PSP, that would be great, i truley pocket sized full featured laptop :)

forgie
24th November 2005, 01:54 PM
Check out This (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000990063847/). Intel are working in integrating the whole flash caching thing, so it may well be a reality in a year or so. Also... a laptop that shallow.... well where the hell do you rest your hands while typing??? Ergonomics 101... it might seem 'cool' but it's not very practical ;)

the filmer
26th November 2005, 02:56 PM
i guess if apple were going to make a good laptop, maybe they should start by bumping up the graphics card, the 32mb is good, but how about giving it a boost to maybe 64mb standard, a super drive standard in ibooks would be great, like they've done in the new pb, but what i'd really like to see is the battery last the 6 hours regardless of power saving techinuqes, applications, or anything, just a battery that will go the distance, and i guess the smaller points would be price, some more ports, like the pb's or just simply a second slot for ram

McbLt
1st December 2005, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by the filmer@Nov 26 2005, 02:56 PM
i guess if apple were going to make a good laptop, maybe they should start by bumping up the graphics card, the 32mb is good, but how about giving it a boost to maybe 64mb standard..
yeah it's good to see Apples really pushing higher end video cards in their PowerMac's with the 7800GT's out, and it'd be godo to see that carry over to their cheaper notebooks so that they offer some decent gaming :)

But then, I guess that'd be moving away from have things ultra small portables people are talking about

symean
1st December 2005, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by forgie@Nov 24 2005, 01:54 PM
...Also... a laptop that shallow.... well where the hell do you rest your hands while typing??? Ergonomics 101... it might seem 'cool' but it's not very practical ;)
The base would end after the keys, with maybe another 2cm max to accommodate the mighty mouse button. I don't think this would be un-ergonomic, it would be just like using a normal keyboard - you don't have anywhere to rest your hands there, either.