Welcome to MacTalk Australia

the largest Australian community for Apple discussions and topics

Join the discussions, Register Now!
Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    decryption's Avatar decryption is offline Kenny Powders

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    St. Albans, Melbourne
    Posts
    22,090

    Default Renting a House for Business Purposes?

    The MacTalk Cave is getting a bit too cramped - I've got people coming and going too often and having to share it with some electrician dudes gets shitty when they're making noise.

    What's the deal with using a house (i.e: 3 bedroom house) and using it to operate a business from, instead of living in? Does it depend on the zoning laws in the area, the landlord? Do you just ask the real estate agent - "hey, I want to rent a house to operate my business from" - will I get laughed at if I ask this? Someone school me on this topic.

  2. #2
    dekco is offline Go Nuclear

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    2,300

    Default

    from what i understand, you can rent out a small room for "service" purposes. such as accountancy, lawyer, etc. so if you are making excessive noise, or having too many come over, then you may attract some unwanted attention.

    of course it is best to check with your local council and their stances on residential property used as a commercial.

    for the record im staying in a commercial zone, so im pretty much free to do whatever i so wish.

  3. #3
    Angsty's Avatar Angsty is offline Flowcharting the World.

    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    699

    Default

    Also check the fine print on your lease, just in case your landlord does not allow you to run a "business" from the property.

    Not sure if you *have* to tell them what you are going to use it for.... make sure you make lots of ahhhh noises about the bathroom and the kitchen...

    Ang
    Last edited by Angsty; 25th September 2009 at 09:06 AM. Reason: typo

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    2,086

    Default

    Anthony given the amount of space on the market in the city is renting a house a cheaper option?

    Edit: Though actually taking the time to read and think no doubt you also don't want other tenants nearby for noise issues. So maybe a CBD is not the best option.
    Last edited by Ozracingwrap; 25th September 2009 at 01:34 PM.
    The Aussie Online Sports Book store http://www.paradelapbooks.com.au

  5. #5

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    1,232

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Angsty View Post
    Also check the fine print on your lease, just in case your landlord does not allow you to run a "business" from the property.
    This is probably the most important thing. While you would have few/no issues running a small business from a residence you are actually living in, you may find that your lease is not actually enforceable (i.e. void) if using the property for the sole purpose of running a business. A lease is a contract between you and your landlord, and most leases are registered through a central body in order for them to have authority over both parties. If the arrangement (i.e. running a business, or lodging instead of sole-tenancy) does not fit the scope of the agreement, then the tenancy body has no authority to enforce the lease and any disputes must go through small-claims instead.

    This doesn't negate a private lease external to the state tenancy body, however I think you would be hard pressed to get a real estate agent to agree to a binding but unofficial lease.

    There may also be local council laws for your are that would prevent a residential property from being used solely for business purposes.

    So:

    1) Contact your tenancy body and find out if a residential lease is sufficient
    2) Contact the council and find out if there are laws against it
    3) Contact the real estate agent and ask if, given a positive answer to #1 and #2, if they are willing to give you a lease.
    Last edited by banjo; 25th September 2009 at 01:51 PM.

  6. #6
    grfxninja's Avatar grfxninja is offline I am Ninja. You cannot see me!

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Hervey Bay
    Posts
    3,455

    Default

    Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't you buy a house a while back Anthony?

    In which case I understand the question as you want to rent a separate house purely as a business premises? i.e. not the house you live in?

  7. #7
    decryption's Avatar decryption is offline Kenny Powders

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    St. Albans, Melbourne
    Posts
    22,090

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozracingwrap View Post
    Anthony given the amount of space on the market in the city is renting a house a cheaper option?

    Edit: Though actually taking the time to read and think no doubt you also don't want other tenants nearby for noise issues. So maybe a CBD is not the best option.
    Yeah, that's the thing - all the space in the CBD that would get me something solitary (i.e: a floor of a building, or something detached) is too expensive

    Quote Originally Posted by grfxninja View Post
    Forgive me if I am wrong, but didn't you buy a house a while back Anthony?

    In which case I understand the question as you want to rent a separate house purely as a business premises? i.e. not the house you live in?
    Yep, I am currently sucking away at a mortgage on a house I live in. I want to rent a house purely to use for business.

    And to Banjo and everyone else that replied - thanks for that. It seems while it's not impossible, it would be up to the discretion of the landlord and agent and have to be in writing that it is being used solely for business.

  8. #8
    mitty's Avatar mitty is offline Couldn't that Chrysler have hit me instead?

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    5,948

    Default

    Not sure about the legalities/otherwise of renting a house/flat/apartment whatever and using it solely for a business, but you may find yourself with the same problem in that you rent a place and then discover that on podcast recording night the bogan next door likes to play Metallica or something.

    If you are looking for a place to be an office and recording studio that doesn't have noise concerns, you're probably going to need an exclusively business premises that you can retrofit with sound proofing etc (not cheap though).

    Unless you actually plan on living there as well in which case it may be a different story.

  9. #9
    marc's Avatar marc is offline Moderator

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    8,385

    Default

    Prob should be able to claim 100% on tax too, as it's being used 100% for the business purpose. As others have said, I think the council/landlord is the main concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    that you can retrofit with sound proofing etc
    Prob don't need much for recording podcasts. The cave is brilliant now and it has no treatment... it's just a quiet room. Worst case, you'd just need to hang some heavy drapes.

  10. #10
    Al Aero's Avatar Al Aero is offline I need the explicit tag

    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    1,487

    Default

    What about moving into the front office if size is an issue?

  11. #11
    soulman's Avatar soulman is offline Electric Sheep

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    NE Vic
    Posts
    2,172

    Default

    My experience of the real estate situation locally is that commercial properties are cheaper than houses. Why not just rent an office or shopfront somewhere? You should find it easier to rent one too, given the GFC and its effect on businesses.

  12. #12
    The_Hawk's Avatar The_Hawk is offline Subtle plans are here again!

    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Sydney, Australia ;)
    Posts
    2,975

    Default

    Depending on travel concerns most area's will have the "old" part of town which housed lots of small businesses before everything moved into the "new" part of town (or the new major shopping centre development).
    What this can mean is if your happy to compromise on location you may just find some commercial space available on the cheap.

    Another alternative is to have a look at services that just hire out office space for meetings, ie only hiring it out once a week for a number of hours. The downside of course is this space is at a premium (although probably nicer facilities) and you can't leave stuff there and you can't just front up and use it at will.

    While I under stand the need/want to separate work and home, especially since it means you can pass it onto someone else when the time comes, is there any reason one of the MacTalker's premises can't set aside a room for recording the podcast(s)?

    While I am thinking outside the box, in these times of GFC and all that, have you considered approaching an existing business that may have a spare room/office you could rent off them? (maybe even a sponsorship deal). Since most stuff you do is after hours, something like this could work very well, but means you have to track down the "right" person/group to share with, preferably with a dedicated room you can lock your gear up in rather than a shared environment.
    MBAPr 15" | Mac Mini | iPhone 5 64GB | 2TB Time Capsule | iPod Classic/Nano/Touch | iPads
    Drive a VW?

  13. #13
    decryption's Avatar decryption is offline Kenny Powders

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    St. Albans, Melbourne
    Posts
    22,090

    Default

    The_Hawk - I want to spend more to get something more like what I want
    Upgrade the digs, not downgrade.

    Another alternative is to have a look at services that just hire out office space for meetings, ie only hiring it out once a week for a number of hours. The downside of course is this space is at a premium (although probably nicer facilities) and you can't leave stuff there and you can't just front up and use it at will.
    This is what we used to do, heh.

    While I understand the need/want to separate work and home, especially since it means you can pass it onto someone else when the time comes, is there any reason one of the MacTalker's premises can't set aside a room for recording the podcast(s)?
    We all live too far away (imagine poor Chris having to travel from Frankston to St. Albans every week)

    While I am thinking outside the box, in these times of GFC and all that, have you considered approaching an existing business that may have a spare room/office you could rent off them? (maybe even a sponsorship deal). Since most stuff you do is after hours, something like this could work very well, but means you have to track down the "right" person/group to share with, preferably with a dedicated room you can lock your gear up in rather than a shared environment.
    This is what we do now and want to move up in the world

  14. #14
    bdude is offline Secretly owns a PC

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    384

    Default

    If you want to move to Tasmania there's a nice house/office for sale in Devonport

  15. #15
    glacierdave's Avatar glacierdave is offline Just some guy, you know...

    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Outback Queensland
    Posts
    1,947

    Default

    I'd be checking council zoning issues on this one - if you aren't living there you're basically talking commercial premises (even if it's a house, your use makes it a commercial premises). If the area is zoned residential you may find yourself being kicked out regardless of what your lease says. This varies from area to area so you'd need to check.

    Depending on your location/situation though, you may find the type of premises you want in an area that's been re-zoned as commercial but still has houses in it - these might even be cheaper to rent if the type of commerce makes them less desirable as a residence.

    David

  16. #16

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    2,086

    Default

    Anthony something like this in the city may do, certainly look like nice thick walls Melbourne Office Lease - Commercial Real Estate ID 370546

    Edit not so sure on the outgoings.
    The Aussie Online Sports Book store http://www.paradelapbooks.com.au

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •