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    Hi all, am a recent graduate with a Masters of Business IT and believe it or not, i have applied for more than 60 places, and all i get is letters of rejection. I even have applied for casual, part-time positions in retail, shops, etc. Is that normal in Melbourne? I mean i have friends all over Australia studying the same course and found work easily, except me . I would like people here to share their experiences with me, any advice would be really appreciated.

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    Hmm...never looked or work in melbourne but sydney and canberra were bitches to get work in. Once you are working though you should be fine.

    The thing they are looking for is experience probably...it's a catch 22 situation...you need the expreience to get work and you neede to work to get the experience.

    BTW...that experience can come from anywhere..not just from the IT sector. Go get a job at Maccas or something or start up a pocket cash home business (like helping grannies with their computers...advertise in the classifides)....get working somewhere...anywhere...and you might find it a bit easier to find work in your chosen field.

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    p.s.....I'm not an employment consultant so no responsibility if you take the advice above and end up at Maccas for the rest of your life..... :blink:
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    I've never been out of work in Melbourne, so yeah - I guess it depends what you're looking for?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(decryption &#064; Sep 23 2006, 06&#58;21 PM) [snapback]217285[/snapback]</div>
    I&#39;ve never been out of work in Melbourne, so yeah - I guess it depends what you&#39;re looking for?
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    With my degree i can work in an IT industry as a Business Analyst, IT Consultant, IT Helpdesk, etc. but the problem is that everyone is asking for experience and how the hell i can get experience without working. I do have office experience but it seems that they need more

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    Yeah, it can be tough. Remember to always be positive (ie. dont start a big whinge on any forums) and network like crazy. Everyone is a potential job, always let it be known what you&#39;re after, you never know who might know of something going on.
    Keep on trying, and we&#39;ll all keep our eyes open for you.

    Oh, and I&#39;m not suggesting that you are whinging at the moment, just saying that if you did start a whinge here, there&#39;s a bunch of potential employers who&#39;d be put off by it...
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gringo &#064; Sep 23 2006, 06&#58;51 PM) [snapback]217297[/snapback]</div>
    Yeah, it can be tough. Remember to always be positive (ie. dont start a big whinge on any forums) and network like crazy. Everyone is a potential job, always let it be known what you&#39;re after, you never know who might know of something going on.
    Keep on trying, and we&#39;ll all keep our eyes open for you.

    Oh, and I&#39;m not suggesting that you are whinging at the moment, just saying that if you did start a whinge here, there&#39;s a bunch of potential employers who&#39;d be put off by it...
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    Yes, i exactly understand what you mean, but am not the type of guy that whines. I am a very positive person with high self esteem, and the reason for my post is that i would like to hear other people&#39;s experiences on it, it is always useful to learn from others. Thanx for the advise anyway

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    If your friends with equivalent qualifications are gaining employment, then it might be a &#39;marketing&#39; issue that is holding you back. This may be down to your CV, if you are not even getting the opportunity to interview. In this case, I would suggest reviewing your CV, perhaps with the help of someone experienced, to make it a more inviting snapshot of you and your skills.

    If you are reaching the interview stage and not progressing further, then perhaps your presentation could do with a freshener. There are plenty of books about this stuff; I would go to Borders and sit there for a few hours with a coffee and read up. A few helpful suggestions from one of these books could be enough to give you a little bit of a kick along. A little extra confidence can go a long way.

    If you lack experience, talk to people who are doing a job you admire. You only have to ask for some advice, maybe get them to show you a little of what they do from day to day. Establish a relationship, and use them as a sounding board. You don&#39;t have to go cap in hand looking for a job, you&#39;re just there to learn more. You&#39;ll be amazed at how helpful people can be, even to someone they don&#39;t even know.

    I don&#39;t know your circumstances, and with no real understanding of the IT job market in Melbourne, or anywhere else for that matter, I could be way off the mark with my suggestions.

    Remember, no-one ever said you have to stop at 60 applications. Keep going, because persistence is a great quality.

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    I have worked in employment, both at the &#39;coal face&#39; in in statistical analysis for years. So does my wife. I have also analysed occupational shortages, (but not the last few yrs). The issue is almost always the same, people with a few yrs esperience are heavily in demand, new graduates can sometimes be less so. In the IT industry, which is often &#39;fashionable&#39; the latest craze ie Java, .Net, soap, whatever is the current flavour of the moment, can be strongly in demand.

    Keep trying, a lot of the advise above is very sound: any job is good, even not in yr chosen field, BECAUSE employers are lazy, and if another employer has already decided you are worth employing that is a shorthand way for them to shortlist you IN to an interview. It also shows that you are keen (&#39;He /she must really want to work, they are doing that job&#39.

    If you are primarily applying for jobs in either govt or the &#39;big end&#39; of town you need to be really structured in yr approach. Get the selection documentation; read it carefully noting any jargon used; speak to the contact person asking a max of about 6 specific questions based on your reading of the selection documentation (make them sound intelegent); when you write your application specifically address the selection criteria (here is how you do it: assert you can do whatever the criterion wants "I have excellent sand castle building skills", then follow up with examples "Last year I won a gold cup at the Seaworld sandcastle competition") Keep your application consise, remember the selection committee will be reading 60 odd applications (trust me they will be), a max of 1 page per criterion.
    When you get an interview the reason for contacting the contact officer becomes important. He/she will be on the committee. In any interview the most important thing is to be EXPLICIT about everything, assume nothing. So you say to the contact officer &#39;hi, we spoke on the phone&#39;. Takes notes with you into the interview (based on your research) Ask the committee if you can refer to them (an interview is not a memory test), they will always say yes.
    why do all this? because the committee will be using a matrix: application, interview, referee reports and any advantage, even small you can get will mean you get the job.
    Here is the final bit of the puzzle, usually missed by every applicant. If you are unseuccessful get feedback so you can improve next time.

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    PS the suggestions about cv is spot on. carefully look at yr cv, perhaps even pay someont to work it over (but be very very careful if you do to make sure they are improving it)
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(A&#045;M &#064; Sep 23 2006, 05&#58;45 PM) [snapback]217266[/snapback]</div>
    Hi all, am a recent graduate with a Masters of Business IT and believe it or not, i have applied for more than 60 places, and all i get is letters of rejection. I even have applied for casual, part-time positions in retail, shops, etc. Is that normal in Melbourne? I mean i have friends all over Australia studying the same course and found work easily, except me . I would like people here to share their experiences with me, any advice would be really appreciated.
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    So what does a Masters of Business IT graduate do? It&#39;s a pretty vague description, and the range you describe in another post (help desk, BA etc.) is also very broad. Maybe that&#39;s your problem right there? Not being specific enough.

    If you&#39;re failing to even get an interview then your CV needs some serious work. Google for help on CV and Resume writing. There&#39;s heaps of info out there, and you&#39;ll be able to narrow it down to IT sepcific help as well. Once you&#39;ve made changes, give it to as many people as you can to read and comment on. Also if you get letters of rejection, ring the company up and ask to speak to HR, then ask the HR people what you can do to improve. They&#39;ll more often than not be happy to help you out.

    If you&#39;re failing at the interview stage then you need to work on your appearance and public speaking skills. Again a quick google search will help you out. Here&#39;s on personal rule that has always works for me. Not matter what the job is, dress up. IT people have a reputation for being slobs who dress badly, prove them wrong. Go spend some money on a nice suit/shirt/tie/shoes combo. Go to a place where the staff will help you. I spent over an hour with the manager at Craig On Collins (up near parliment end) trying on different suits, shirts and ties until we found something that made me look awesome. It really makes all the difference. Nothing looks worse than a suit that doesn&#39;t fit or a shirt and tie that clashes horribly.
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    Excellent responses, i really appreciate it. Just to add some extra information, i have a very good resume and cover letter, i also asked one of the professionals who worked in employment services and he was of great help.

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    Are you looking for graduate roles? You may want to make sure you emphasize other things you&#39;ve been doing in addition to the Masters degree... it might be giving some potential employers the idea that you&#39;re overqualified, and going to take a grad job only as long as it takes to find a better job (ie. flight risk...)
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    I swear I already posted this, but I must have forgotten to hit submit...

    Which industry are you applying to? The industry can have a big impact on your desirability as a candidate. In logistics for example, it&#39;s very difficult to start in a BA role - I spent 7 or 8 years doing other &#39;coalfront&#39; roles including management roles before becoming a Senior BA. QA roles are excellent starting roles, as they can introduce you to a product that in turns introduces you to an industry - the industries workflow, competitors and stakeholders, and the desirability to remain in the industry as an IT professional or otherwise - remember that BA&#39;s aren&#39;t IT resources as such.

    I did a Bus Sys degree, and took the first QA role I could get. Get in at the ground level, and hang around there for a while to learn the ropes - it&#39;ll take you further than you think&#33;
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(A&#045;M &#064; Sep 23 2006, 06&#58;30 PM) [snapback]217289[/snapback]</div>
    With my degree i can work in an IT industry as a Business Analyst, IT Consultant, IT Helpdesk, etc. but the problem is that everyone is asking for experience and how the hell i can get experience without working. I do have office experience but it seems that they need more
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    sign up with a temp agency.

    We hire about 1 person a monht as a temp, many have gone on to become BA&#39;s, Managers, Team Leaders within about 12 months, myself included.

    Most major corporates will only ever take in temps and convert them to full time employees if they are any good.

    i&#39;d say most of our job advertising is internal, very rarely do they go external, never for an entry level Ba etc.

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    datacenter i have signed up for temp agencies but as i said before, all i get is rejections.
    For those who were asking me what kind of jobs am looking for, well these are the Career Prospects.

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    When i moved from syd to melb i found it tough finding hospitality work but its just a matter of "it at first you dont succeed..." (shoot their f@&#036;%&^* heads off no kidding really, i in no way endorse going postal on anyone) Just keep slugging at it. if you want to get work quickly do kitchenhand work. its a shit job but its a paying job and alot of places would prefer an english speaking kitchenhand. And its cash to get you thru until you do get a break. Good luck&#33;
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(A&#045;M &#064; Sep 23 2006, 11&#58;39 PM) [snapback]217415[/snapback]</div>
    datacenter i have signed up for temp agencies but as i said before, all i get is rejections.
    For those who were asking me what kind of jobs am looking for, well these are the Career Prospects.
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    Ignore the &#39;career prospects&#39; section of the degree. I have a Masters of Arts in Public History specialising in heritage management. My career to date has seen me working setting insurance premiums, organising licensing schemes and undertaking legislative development for Government Departments and agencies. I will soon be working in the area of spam policy (I&#39;ll always have work to do ).

    Besides, the career prospects listed in the RMIT site seem way above your current level of experience, I&#39;m afraid to say. Basically, you need to go and find yourself a s***kicker role somewhere utilising the skills of your bachelor&#39;s degree (which is BTW? - you haven&#39;t said where your skills lie) and work your way up.

    Anyway www.jobs.vic.gov.au and www.psgazette.gov.au are good places to start for public service jobs. Don&#39;t be afraid to take a short term contract either. My first job was a 2 month summer holiday job that ended up lasting over 4 years.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(samuelowens &#064; Sep 24 2006, 01&#58;23 AM) [snapback]217437[/snapback]</div>
    Ignore the &#39;career prospects&#39; section of the degree. I have a Masters of Arts in Public History specialising in heritage management. My career to date has seen me working setting insurance premiums, organising licensing schemes and undertaking legislative development for Government Departments and agencies. I will soon be working in the area of spam policy (I&#39;ll always have work to do ).

    Besides, the career prospects listed in the RMIT site seem way above your current level of experience, I&#39;m afraid to say. Basically, you need to go and find yourself a s***kicker role somewhere utilising the skills of your bachelor&#39;s degree (which is BTW? - you haven&#39;t said where your skills lie) and work your way up.

    Anyway www.jobs.vic.gov.au and www.psgazette.gov.au are good places to start for public service jobs. Don&#39;t be afraid to take a short term contract either. My first job was a 2 month summer holiday job that ended up lasting over 4 years.
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    thats basically what i was saying.

    I quit IT 3 years ago, and did my own thing for 6 months. Then, around november, i was asked if i wanted some temp work in a corp office in the city, doing basic data entry. I agreed and within 2 weeks I have done all the 6 weeks work. They found some more work... then in Feb i was offered a permanent job. It paid shit, but i could see how much more i acheived Vs the people around me, and later that year i scored a role as Team Leader, and now, I am acting Billing Manager... So it doesn&#39;t take long to work your way up in any corporate.

    Moving from a billing Rep to BA in our organisation isn&#39;t hard, I have seen many around me do just that.

    Be prepared to get paid around &#036;40k and do a crap job for a year or so. The advise i give my staff are ask yourself if your here for a job or career. If it is a career, what difference does it make getting paid crap for 2 years whilst you bust your guts when you end up with you dream job.

    working 10% harder than anyone else can see you twice as successful.

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