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    Default Recording iPhone conversations

    Is this possible?
    Why? well - recording verbal quotes given over the phone etc. I can see it would be useful.
    I used to do it with an answering machine, by law there had to be beeps inserted, that was years ago.
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    I don't know how you would do it, but you would require the consent of the other party in order to record the conversation. There is no need to insert beeps at regular intervals.
    The Telecommunications (Interception) Act 1979 (http://www.aca.gov.au/licence/tir.pdf) prohibits a person from listening to or recording, by any means, of a communication in its passage over a telecommunications system without the knowledge of the person making the communication. A communication includes conversation and a message, and any part of a conversation or message, whether in the form of speech, music or other sounds, data, text, visual images, signals or in any other form or combination of forms. This law does not attach so much to the recording of a telephone call but more the interception. It is the act of interception that creates the offence not the recording. Naturally recording can form part of interception, but it is not the key element of the offence.
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    The Courts have generally made a distinction between:

    listening or recording using equipment which is electronically connected into or which intercepts radio signals transmitted by a telecommunications system. In this case, the Interception Act applies and the State Listening Devices legislation does not apply; and
    listening or recording using equipment which is external to the telecommunications system. In this case, the State Listening Devices legislation applies.
    Therefore, listening to or recording of telephone conversations without both party's knowledge using devices such as:

    · "double jacking";

    · a bug within the telephone mouthpiece;

    · a wire attached to the telephone line; and

    · an interception device used to intercept car telephone waves,

    fall within "interception" prohibited under the Telecommunications (Interception) Act.
    Therefore, if you do figure out how to do it, make sure you have their consent to do so.

    Source: Australia: Legal Guide on Recording Telephone Conversations
    and their references:
    Telecommunication Journal of Australia (Vol. 48 No 2 - 1998), page 75. ”Who's Listening? - Recording and Monitoring of Personal and Business Communications”

    Guidelines On Voice Monitoring Or Recording Of Telephone Services. Telecom (Australia), released by Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman, 29 April 1994. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/p.../v01n03f8.html

    Examining Call Monitoring Legalities and the Development of Regulation. Angus Henderson, Partner and Annemaree McDonough, Lawyer September 1998 http://www.gtlaw.com.au/pubs/callcentres.html

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    You can do it on SonyEricsson phones.

    It would be great for dealing with customer service people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
    I don't know how you would do it, but you would require the consent of the other party in order to record the conversation. There is no need to insert beeps at regular intervals.

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    Therefore, if you do figure out how to do it, make sure you have their consent to do so.

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    Er... didn't prerecorded debunk this on Twitter a while ago? IIRC she said you could record without the other person knowing, or something along the lines of that...

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    I believe the rules are different when its being conducted as part of a business transaction (which verbal quotes certainly would be).

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    Yeah I thought what Exo quoted above were the rules but Prerecorded was adamant only one party needed to know (i.e. yourself) if it were a two party conversation.

    I'll draw her attention to this thread.
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    I suppose an argument could me made that if you initiated the call, you are the one "making the communication", therefore you can give yourself permission. However, if you are receiving the communication you would have to advise, and likewise you cannot listen in and record.

    I dunno, I am not a lawyer - I should check with our privacy officer at work.

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    Telstra! yes, if I could have recorded my original plan offer like they were supposed to have done with me, I could have saved three months of grief trying to get them to honour the deal.

    So I gather iPhone is not able to record.
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    I'm not sure whether this falls under the same category, but a couple of years ago I was pulled over by a cop and it ended up in court. The police officer recorded the conversation I had with him on the roadside and used it in court as evidence. i was never informed that I was being recorded, and I was told by my lawyer that as long as one party to the conversation is aware it is being recorded then there doesn't need to be any disclosure.

    BTW, I got off (not that did anything anyway).
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    I contacted Rogue Amoema - makers of Audio Hijack - about this a few months ago. I wanted to develop an on-board answering machine app for the iPhone, thus not having to pay the exorbitant costs that can pile up with having to retrieve calls via voicemail.
    They told me that such functionality is not permitted by Apple. To quote:

    "Unfortunately, Apple's development restrictions preclude us from creating anything like this on the iPhone.
    "We have no way of accessing the phone facilities on the iPhone, nor of grabbing audio from other applications using standard system calls. Any method we used to do this outside of the standard system would preclude us from being included in the App Store, the only way to get software onto the phone.
    "Thus, at this time, it's simply impossible to this or other things we would like to do on the iPhone. It's very unfortunate, but Apple's the roadblock here. Sorry!"

    I hope that answers your question ... unfortunately, it seems that what you're asking can't be done ... which is a shame.
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    I'm a bit busy right this second... suffice to say there is different legislation from state to state that additionally covers this... Victoria may be the only one where you don't require the consent of the other party so long as you are a party to the call, and you don't publish or make public any material taken from the recording.

    I'll try to clarify later.

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    If what you would like to do is record phone calls - then yes, it's possible. I'm not so sure about the legality of it, though. This works for me, however I can not guarantee it will work for you.

    You also need QuickTime X.

    1) Get an audio splitter:


    2) Get a male-to-male audio cable:


    3) Get those Apple Headphones with a microphone:


    4) Plug the audio splitter into the iPhone, then connect the male-to-male audio cable to the line-in input on the computer. Plug the headphones with remote into the splitter as well.

    5) Open QuickTime X and clickFile > New Audio Recording:


    6) From the drop-down menu, choose "Built-in Input: Line-in":


    7) Start recording! Make a phone call to ensure it all works. Speak into the microphone on the earphones.

    Note: your voice will not be recorded. To do that, it's rather complex. I suggest just using something else with a microphone to record your voice and then putting it together later if you want.

    Hope this helps.

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    GRanny Smith, yes that does answer my direct question, I'm less concerned about the legality than I am about functionality.
    It would be a nice function.
    Domenic, thanks for all that info, but for convenience I would rather make a recording using the iPhone alone, very clever work around though!
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    There is an app in the store called Recorder, from Retronyms. It's up to v10.1. I bought this ages ago before the iPhone OS had it's own voice recorder, and I haven't used it in ages but I did just recently notice it's got a big bold type over the icon saying "RECORD CALLS"....I guess they're trying to stay alive by diversifying since iPhone OS has a voice recorder.

    You could give that a go, I don't think it was expensive from memory.

    Actually, just checked iTunes. It does outgoing call recording if you want it to and it's $1.19. Just search the app store for Recorder.

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    All calls made through BigTinCan can also be recorded and archived.
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    Default recording conversations on an iPhone

    Turn your phone to airplane mode -this stops calls / messages coming in and then go to voice memo start recording then press the button on the top right of the phone which makes the screen go blank - I have used this at work because of an aggresive co work who is quite insulting and also in meetings without consent of the other party. As far as I have always been aware only one of the parties involved needs to be aware of the recording

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    Ever tried to ask a sales person if you could record the conversation??

    Try it and see how many say yes... Even when clarifying standard offers, terms and conditions etc etc most are very very hesitant to say allow it.
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