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    Default Describe your backup system

    Also, describe your preferred recovery option in case of a drive/computer failure.

    Backups.
    For me I have three types of data that needs to be backed up from a variety of different machines.

    "Normal" hard drive data (System, docs, users, etc)
    "Dropbox" data - work related generally
    "Heavy" data - work related, but huge datasets. Typically several TB.

    Normal -> All machines backup via time machine to NAS. No critical data here so generally not backed up off site. (Approx 2-3 copies)

    Dropbox -> This is critical data. Synced to dropbox and about half a dozen computers, including some offsite. All machines backed up via Time Machine both on and off site. Dropbox folder on the server is also backed up via a different method (Chronosync) to the NAS and to the server's second drive. (Approx 12 copies)

    Heavy data -> Regular backups (Chronosync) to archive drive and to the NAS, and offsite via 2TB drives in rotation. When they get full we'll switch to 4TB drives. (4 - 5 copies floating around).


    Preferred recovery method.

    If the hard drive has died, then generally I'd just pull the drive and restore from Time Machine. Drive failures are usually obvious IMO.

    If it's just a machine acting sick then.
    First option - use recovery partition.
    Second option - I'd use would be to boot the machine from a different machine using target disk mode.
    If that's not an option, then I'd go for an external 2.5" drive as I have a few of them and they can just be plugged straight into a Seagate Goflex Adaptor.
    Finally I'd go for the USB boot.

    That should do it.

    Feel free to post thoughts, or as suggested, your own preferred solutions.

    Updated: Forgot to mention - The Server is also backed up to Carbonite in the cloud.
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    I have a HP microserver setup with 4 drives in it at home. Two drives are mirrored and store my media, the other two are just single drives and are Time Machine targets for the macbook and mini. I also keep a bootable CarbonCopyCloner clone of the macbook offsite at work, just in case. For work, I have a locally attached Time Machine backup and bring home a bootable CCC image for offsite storage once a week. Dropbox I tend to use for current working documents, which kind of acts as an additional backup. I share a lot of documents this way though (work related), and have had a colleague delete files from the dropbox before, so I don't consider this a great backup strategy for me.

    For DR, I would boot from the CCC image and clone it onto a fresh drive (assuming drive failure), or reinstall and use the Time Machine backup. Thankfully I haven't had to do this as of late, but I do check my CCC images are bootable about once a month.
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    I still use my old faithful Drobo with 4 tb drives. And Time Machine to a external drive. Oh, and photos to Dropbox.
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    Everything gets dumped on a hp microserver running freenas manually and by time machine. Super important stuff also gets copied onto a seperate external drive.

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    I divide my data redundancy solution into the following 2 categories:

    1. Redundancy

    Data (mainly media and photos) is saved onto a Thunderbolt Promise Pegasus 4 x 1 Tb array in RAID 5.
    Home and Work documents are saved onto a 25 Gb Dropbox account mirrored on multiple computers.

    2. Backup

    The data on the Pegasus including Dropbox is backed up using Crashplan to 3 spots - 1 offsite in the cloud, 2 locally:
    Cloud - Crashplan servers offsite in Sydney
    Local A - Firewire 2 x 1 Tb in RAID 0 (Crashplan local backup - used to be RAID 1 here but ran out of space)
    Local B - Time Capsule 3 Tb via network (My second Crashplan local backup - I used to use Time Machine, but found Crashplan to be more consistent)

    The great thing about Crashplan is that it's free to use it to backup locally or offsite to your own computer - the cost to backup to the cloud is very reasonable too. I test recovery of random files once in a while - works quite well - I can even access backed up files on my iPhone/ iPad using the Crashplan app.
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    I remember when I used to have a convoluted, multi-stage backup process.

    These days, my Mac has been reliable enough that I've never had to restore from a Time Machine backup. Everything I care about is also periodically (i.e. when I remember) dumped onto my home server, which pretty much ends my backup strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin View Post
    I divide my data redundancy solution into the following 2 categories:

    1. Redundancy

    Data (mainly media and photos) is saved onto a Thunderbolt Promise Pegasus 4 x 1 Tb array in RAID 5.
    Home and Work documents are saved onto a 25 Gb Dropbox account mirrored on multiple computers.

    2. Backup

    The data on the Pegasus including Dropbox is backed up using Crashplan to 3 spots - 1 offsite in the cloud, 2 locally:
    Cloud - Crashplan servers offsite in Sydney
    Local A - Firewire 2 x 1 Tb in RAID 0 (Crashplan local backup - used to be RAID 1 here but ran out of space)
    Local B - Time Capsule 3 Tb via network (My second Crashplan local backup - I used to use Time Machine, but found Crashplan to be more consistent)

    The great thing about Crashplan is that it's free to use it to backup locally or offsite to your own computer - the cost to backup to the cloud is very reasonable too. I test recovery of random files once in a while - works quite well - I can even access backed up files on my iPhone/ iPad using the Crashplan app.
    I liked the look of Crashplan. Was testing it for the use of backing up my "heavy" data. Ended up sticking with Chronosync and getting a fast NAS.
    The only recommendation I'd add, which I suspect you've covered anyway, is to backup the Dropbox stuff to something that isn't Dropbox. A nightmare of mine is the Dropbox server having a flipout and wiping all the copies as they sync to the cloud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennyling View Post
    I remember when I used to have a convoluted, multi-stage backup process.

    These days, my Mac has been reliable enough that I've never had to restore from a Time Machine backup. Everything I care about is also periodically (i.e. when I remember) dumped onto my home server, which pretty much ends my backup strategy.
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    Default Describe your backup system

    Yes, my Dropbox folder is backed up to my Pegasus which is not only RAID 5 but is backed up again with Crashplan locally and offsite in the cloud.

    Crashplan does work a bit like Time Machine and allows you to go back in time to find older versions of files or deleted directories and files.

    Even then, I'm paranoid that something bad will happen. I don't think you can back up enough. Lol. It's what happens when you have photos and videos of your kids as babies etc that you want to keep forever.
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    I have a 2 drive NAS in Raid 1 for local storage of files, that's backed up to an external HD attached to the NAS via USB and also to a cloud storage service that's provided by the NAS company (at a cost).

    Critical files are also mirrored to my Dropbox folder.
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    Mine's pretty simple a time machine backup of the iMac which sits on my desk permanently connected.

    Two Seagate GoFlex drives "A" and "B" which i rotate daily and are backed up via SuperDuper! The not -currently-in-use drive is then stored in a fire-proof box in the shed (When i remember to go put it in there!) As for the 10+TB on my media server my attitude is "meh" if it dies (as a couple of the drives have in the past) i can always download it all again.

    I note whilst mentioning Dropbox etc. nobody has really discussed how they store the media at home (external/offiste backups, etc)? The NAS/Drobo/HP server options are great for data recovery in case of a drive failure, but what happens when your house burns down (or gets flooded, vandalised, etc)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFnord View Post
    I note whilst mentioning Dropbox etc. nobody has really discussed how they store the media at home (external/offiste backups, etc)? The NAS/Drobo/HP server options are great for data recovery in case of a drive failure, but what happens when your house burns down (or gets flooded, vandalised, etc)?
    Then I probably deserve to lose my data. I'll setup some kind of cloud backup for all my personally-generated content one day, but for now, what I've got is good enough.

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    Backup
    SuperDuper daily backup—bootable.

    Personal files to Spideroak (free account). Referral link.

    Photos via Arq to Amazon Storage. (not free)

    Music to iTunes Match. (not free)

    Time Machine whole drive.

    Other video_ts, mp4, avi files in a Drobo which is otherwise not backedup.

    Less important, or already encrypted files in Dropbox (free account). Also for interaction with iOS (e.g. Goodreader).

    Restore: from SuperDuper, hopefully.
    If house fire (eek), hopefully recover personal files in Spideroak, Arq, iTunes Match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFnord View Post
    The NAS/Drobo/HP server options are great for data recovery in case of a drive failure, but what happens when your house burns down (or gets flooded, vandalised, etc)?
    As mentioned the NAS has off site cloud backup as an extra cost part of the service, the files on the cloud server can be downloaded at any computer at a later time if the original NAS is destroyed along with the USB back up drive.
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    Wow some people have quite complex backup solutions. Mine is simple but very effective. I have all my files stored locally on my iMac, my backup consists of three 3TB HDDS that i hotswap in my usb3 enclosure to make bootable backups via superduper and rotate them each week. One stays in the enclosure, one stays offsite and the other stays right next to the enclosure. I effectively have 4 copies of my files on separate drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFnord View Post
    Mine's pretty simple a time machine backup of the iMac which sits on my desk permanently connected.

    Two Seagate GoFlex drives "A" and "B" which i rotate daily and are backed up via SuperDuper! The not -currently-in-use drive is then stored in a fire-proof box in the shed (When i remember to go put it in there!) As for the 10+TB on my media server my attitude is "meh" if it dies (as a couple of the drives have in the past) i can always download it all again.

    I note whilst mentioning Dropbox etc. nobody has really discussed how they store the media at home (external/offiste backups, etc)? The NAS/Drobo/HP server options are great for data recovery in case of a drive failure, but what happens when your house burns down (or gets flooded, vandalised, etc)?
    Nice idea with the fireproof box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjankor View Post
    Nice idea with the fireproof box.
    Yeah it wasn't anything special just a Bunnings fireproof case that's rated to store media (as it's in the shed it also had to obviously be waterproof and dust/vermin proof more importantly, as my shed is a dirt-floored three-walled monstrosity). I bolted it to a support so its off the floor so don't have any problems with moisture.
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    Redundancy (NAS in RAID5) for media - between the ease of replacement and the sheer quantity, there's no real point to backing it up.

    Crashplan (to their AU cloud) for everything else. Also photos in the cloud, currently to Snapjoy, and music to Google Music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFnord View Post
    I note whilst mentioning Dropbox etc. nobody has really discussed how they store the media at home (external/offiste backups, etc)? The NAS/Drobo/HP server options are great for data recovery in case of a drive failure, but what happens when your house burns down (or gets flooded, vandalised, etc)?
    I agree - my whole setup could be stolen through a burglary - hence why I have over a terabyte of data backed up via crashplan in the cloud.
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    How do you guys do your initial upload with Crashplan given the upload/download limits? do you progressively upload over a period of months.
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