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    Default $200.00 Up for Grabs for Designers!

    Hi Guys,

    I am looking at creating a logo. I do not know how to make one so I need your help.

    Our business name is iSupply4U. We are in the process of creating this business. Our business aims at supplying items from clothes to gadgets for businesses/individuals.. It's like a one stop shop. You need it? we source it for you kind of concept. I hope you understand what I mean.

    Requirements:
    1. White background is a must.
    2. I will obtain the rights of the graphic/logo at the end of the day. I need one file with high resolution and one for just normal logo usage.
    3. I will announce the winner on May 1st 09.
    4. I may comment on some designs if necessary to my likings. AFTER I HAVE SELECTED A WINNER!
    5. All rights reserved, a winner will be picked no matter what by the due date.

    Note to Mods: I do not know where to post this except i use to see some posted in this thread. Let me know if I may have violated some rules I may be unaware of. If needs be, I will send the mod the prize money first to prove that I am genuine in obtaining a service.
    6. Prize is $200.00 cash or itunes or something equivalent.

    EDIT: DATE AMENDED!!!!!!!!

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    So do you want us to post the designs here? Or PM them to you?
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    What ways do you intend using it?
    Do you intend just to use it online, or as a letterhead/business card/signage/brochures, as this will determine the final file format and size - ie jpeg, vector - whatever?

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    Post designs here would be good. I intend to use the logo on letterhead/business card but no online contents.

    Whatever goes
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    No one interested? -_- I'll be waiting.
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    I think that part of the problem is that there is an issue with folks posting suggestions and then having their work used without payment. Also it's a pretty low payment for what could amount to several days work in design and production.
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    Yeah, $200 is nothing. Add another 0 on that price if you want something decent. Adds further insult that this is a "competition" and you could end up working and not getting a cent.

    I think I should add a forum rule that these design comps shouldn't be allowed.
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    I think that they have a place, but that it should not be at the Pro end of things. A personal podcast, blog etc is not a big deal - something for a business probably needs something though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decryption View Post
    Yeah, $200 is nothing. Add another 0 on that price if you want something decent. Adds further insult that this is a "competition" and you could end up working and not getting a cent.
    Correct! A logo is an asset for any company and helps earn that company money, therefore they should pay the appropriate fee.

    Last logo I designed was $3500 plus additional fees for designing stationery (letterheads, business cards, with comps, information folder) - and that was cheap!

    A small-to-medium sized "design" firm quoted the same company $10,000 for a logo + "positioning statement" - although, please, in their first presentation they got the company's field of business completely wrong.

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    Go on. Let these things happen decryption. If someone wants to do a logo for $200 they should be allowed to. Even just having a bash at it is good fun for some. It's a work choice. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolly View Post
    Go on. Let these things happen decryption. If someone wants to do a logo for $200 they should be allowed to. Even just having a bash at it is good fun for some. It's a work choice. :-)
    I disagree with you. That kind of thing drives business out of work. It all becomes similar to the PC game. Your costs stay the same, the amount of work you get stays the same but your profits flush down the drain.

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    well if people are not comfortable with posting their work here then an inbox would be fine.

    HOWEVER, i choose to pay what i like as you have a choice to join in or not. If you think its not worth your time, it's simple, DONT DO IT! This is a forum, not a professional workplace. I am not approaching a design firm, i'm approaching an online community whom i have no idea or background of. Do you not see the difference? It could be design students, or whom ever for all i care. I've seen comps that goes for much less. $50.00?

    If someone who's not even in the design firm has designed something that I'd like...I'll buy it. So to all those who thinks this is a fuss, don't do it. simple! I do not intend to argue with anyone here, but some of you designers are among the most arrogant people who thinks that all designers earn high paying job. Please wake up to the 21st century. No offense!

    /rant over!

    EDIT: By the way, there are online sites that offers quick logo designs for even US$50.00. You guys go figure. I had no intention of stirring shit up....but I just do not understand why people can't mind their own business. I aint no corporate business. Who would want to pay $2000 for something they have not seen or might not even like ONLINE. Would you?! Maybe you see something that someone whipped up in 5 mins...for 2k? I don't think so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrecx View Post
    well if people are not comfortable with posting their work here then an inbox would be fine.

    HOWEVER, i choose to pay what i like as you have a choice to join in or not. If you think its not worth your time, it's simple, DONT DO IT! This is a forum, not a professional workplace. I am not approaching a design firm, i'm approaching an online community whom i have no idea or background of. Do you not see the difference? It could be design students, or whom ever for all i care. I've seen comps that goes for much less. $50.00?


    EDIT: By the way, there are online sites that offers quick logo designs for even US$50.00. You guys go figure. I had no intention of stirring shit up....but I just do not understand why people can't mind their own business. I aint no corporate business. Who would want to pay $2000 for something they have not seen or might not even like ONLINE. Would you?! Maybe you see something that someone whipped up in 5 mins...for 2k? I don't think so!
    Agree with this completely. The OP sounds like he wanted something simple for his SMALL business use. Not a complete corporate identity.

    If you designers value your time at a much higher rate, e.g $10000 for a couple of days work, then my guess is the OP was not pitching this at you.

    If your time really is too valuable and you still want the $200, why not buy it from a cheap online vendor for $50, spend 20 mins applying your own magic and hopefully win the $200? Of course there is risk involved in that but you get my point.

    Understand about posting works on a public forum but sheesh $2000 for a simple logo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutze View Post
    I think that part of the problem is that there is an issue with folks posting suggestions and then having their work used without payment. Also it's a pretty low payment for what could amount to several days work in design and production.
    Agree agree agree

    These threads really shit me and I've kept my mouth shut till now... $200 is nothing for a logo. It amounts to people basically trying to get a shitload of professional work done for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrecx View Post
    well if people are not comfortable with posting their work here then an inbox would be fine.

    HOWEVER, i choose to pay what i like as you have a choice to join in or not. If you think its not worth your time, it's simple, DONT DO IT! This is a forum, not a professional workplace. I am not approaching a design firm, i'm approaching an online community whom i have no idea or background of. Do you not see the difference? It could be design students, or whom ever for all i care. I've seen comps that goes for much less. $50.00?

    If someone who's not even in the design firm has designed something that I'd like...I'll buy it. So to all those who thinks this is a fuss, don't do it. simple! I do not intend to argue with anyone here, but some of you designers are among the most arrogant people who thinks that all designers earn high paying job. Please wake up to the 21st century. No offense!

    /rant over!

    EDIT: By the way, there are online sites that offers quick logo designs for even US$50.00. You guys go figure. I had no intention of stirring shit up....but I just do not understand why people can't mind their own business. I aint no corporate business. Who would want to pay $2000 for something they have not seen or might not even like ONLINE. Would you?! Maybe you see something that someone whipped up in 5 mins...for 2k? I don't think so!
    Quote Originally Posted by iTy View Post
    Agree with this completely. The OP sounds like he wanted something simple for his SMALL business use. Not a complete corporate identity.

    If you designers value your time at a much higher rate, e.g $10000 for a couple of days work, then my guess is the OP was not pitching this at you.

    If your time really is too valuable and you still want the $200, why not buy it from a cheap online vendor for $50, spend 20 mins applying your own magic and hopefully win the $200? Of course there is risk involved in that but you get my point.

    Understand about posting works on a public forum but sheesh $2000 for a simple logo!
    I can see where you both are coming from. And I partly understand - however a pro does not normally just knock up a logo, as has been explained - to get a logo right for a company takes a lot of work, research and though. Everyone laughs when they think that these things are over priced.

    In the 1970's Virgin had their logo done by a friend of Richard Branson - All he did was write the name of the company in his own handwriting on a napkin. It cost the company $1500. That was in the 70's!! (To give the right credit the guy was a top notch designer - that's why Branson was talking to him).

    When a designer comes up with a logo they normally present it to the company in hard copy - they will not give them a soft copy until the deal is signed because it's open to being stolen until then. Posting on the internet a design you've done gives people carte blanche with it.

    If you feel you can get this from some off the peg outfit for $50US then do that - it's cheaper, but I bet that it will not be anywhere near as good as what a proper designer would do for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutze View Post
    If you feel you can get this from some off the peg outfit for $50US then do that - it's cheaper, but I bet that it will not be anywhere near as good as what a proper designer would do for you.
    I guess that was what I was talking about. For $200 the OP probably wasn't after a top designer or even an average one.

    Chances are he was looking for a sh*t hot designer coming out of high school/tafe/uni/hobbyist that is looking for references more than the $$$ value.

    I understand that its hard to quantify good art work, as this is the nature of the relationship between art and its intrinsic value.

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    Have a look at NO!SPEC
    I work in the print industry and used to have a similar opinion to iTy but this site really opened my eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by iTy View Post
    I guess that was what I was talking about. For $200 the OP probably wasn't after a top designer or even an average one.

    Chances are he was looking for a sh*t hot designer coming out of high school/tafe/uni/hobbyist that is looking for references more than the $$$ value.

    I understand that its hard to quantify good art work, as this is the nature of the relationship between art and its intrinsic value.
    Consider though...

    You design a logo for this tiny two man outfit - it's a simple design and took you a few days to come up with it. You get paid $200. Job done. Result.

    That company then expands, and grows and expands and eventually - it becomes The Fruit Company. They continue to use the logo you got paid $200 for. You won't get credit for it. It's used on everything that The Fruit Company does, from store fronts, to items they sell. Hell the logo becomes the brand. Good value huh?
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    I see your point Lutze but I also don't think it is entirely fair either.

    By your reasoning, I should charge a guy $25,000 for a logo/whatever because he could go on to make a billion dollars?

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    First: I'm not a designer, so no conflict of interest. But my immediate thought was that its inappropriate to offer such a low prize for a competition of this type. Even though the OP may be happy with a student's design, I can see how it could devalue the currency.


 
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