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    3dward_Shaddow's Avatar 3dward_Shaddow is offline Mrs. Peel, we're needed!

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    Default Wedding Photographer [Perth]

    As the title suggests, I am looking for a wedding photographer (or a photographer for a wedding) who operates in the Perth area. I've had a look around, but would like to hear any recommendations from fellow MT'ers

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    This might not be ideal, but a sibling of mine got married two days ago and hired these guys:
    Cato & Pade Wedding Photography

    They are in Sydney though, but they do travel interstate.

    We are very happy with the photos/videos.

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    Try MTAu member Jeremy.
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    +1 for Jeremy knows his stuff
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    I really like the work of this 3 studios but your taste of photography may vary.

    Samm Blake Photographer, Wedding Photography Perth Western Australia, Fine art wedding and portrait photography, Sam Blake, Samantha Blake
    Wedding and portrait photography from Perth Western Australia, DeRay Simcoe Photography
    Richard Syme - Multi Award-Winning Master Photographer

    Jeremy also gives good input in the forums and his work on his website looks really fresh and relaxed.

    You end up spending the most time on your wedding day with the photographer so really important to get a good feel about his/her personality prior.

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    Arrhh yeah thanks guys. No pressure but if you like what you see. Warnock Imagery id love to chat to you about it

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    Australian Institute of Professional Photography

    The AIPP (Australian Inst. of Professional Photography) have a search feature.

    I would highly recommend using an Institute member, as it protects you in both their business practices, (legally and ethically), and level of experience and skill.
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    Hey Jeremy,
    Visited your site and loved some of your pics.

    One thing that impressed me is that you let your clients keep their digital pics.

    Can I just ask...I read a while ago (maybe 2 years) that professional photographers hadn't caught up with the times and were still dictating that prints be made through them.

    What you are doing is in line with modern times. My question is, is it common for pros to offer the images as digital originals or are most pros still insisting on prints through them.

    Anyone? I'm just curious.
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    Hay ya TigersharkBAS,

    Well actually its more from my background then catching up with the times to be honest. Before I went back to Uni to get my comp sci degree, medical photographer an area the photographer does not keep the originals. Now today some wedding photographs will allow the couple to purchase the originals, but I just think its wrong its the couple day I believe they should have the originals. My wife & I got married only a couple of years ago and having the originals was a must for us. I do not believe the couple should be locked into chasing the photographer down whenever they ant a print. I know this is how many photographers make their living and Im not having a go at them its just not the service I would offer.

    Hope that clears it up for you

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    Wow, thanks for all the responses. I've had a look at the AIPP site previously but with so many to choose from I wanted to see if anyone stood out.

    Needless to say a PM is on its way Jeremy

    Cheers again MTAu crew

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigersharkBAS View Post
    Can I just ask...I read a while ago (maybe 2 years) that professional photographers hadn't caught up with the times and were still dictating that prints be made through them.

    What you are doing is in line with modern times. My question is, is it common for pros to offer the images as digital originals or are most pros still insisting on prints through them.

    Anyone? I'm just curious.
    Caught up with modern times??
    A professional photographer SHOULD know the best way to treat images. A professional photographer "dictates" that images are made through them cause:
    - they've done all the research and know where or how to make the best possible prints that no consumer could match in quality.
    - they closely guard their professionalism and name because if you make the prints on your inkjet or @ the one hour place then other consumers will make a poor judgement about the photographer based on the potentially rubbish reprint you got made. It's unbelievably damaging to a photographers reputation.
    - the professional photographer makes money to feed himself based on the reprints (you don't walk into a restaurant and ask for a price deduction based on getting the food yourself instead of the waiter). We spend at least 40 hours on each wedding - often a lot more. How much is your time worth??

    It's actually good value to get reprints made with a professional if they're at the top of their game.
    I insist on doing the reprints myself or I charge like a wounded bull for the original size jpegs or RAW files.
    I've spent hundreds/ thousands of hours and dollars researching for printing. That's my professional knowledge.
    I've seen good labs and bad - and the differences are extraordinary - they truly are!
    I sincerely hope it is not common for photographers to give away their professionalism....
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    Thanks for the reply Jeremy.

    @BLINDER. It's about choice. As a consumer with an interest in photography or image manipulation I may want to do these things myself so I would look for a photographer who would simply take the photos and offer them to me in their raw format. No post processing necessary.

    Look...I'm not suggesting that this should be the only alternative for photography...but it could be an option. An alternative service. The fact that it is simply ruled out by some photographers is in my opinion, an old paradigm and one that consumers will eventually get wise to.

    In regards to your last 2 points:
    1. I can choose to either eat in a restaurant or go to a buffet (where I do get my own food and can mix and match different types). Again...my argument is about choice.

    2. If it means charging a little extra for your time then do it. You are getting paid to provide the capturing of the images. The processing of these into physical prints should be another separate, optional and alternatively priced service.

    Just to clarify once more...and I worded it wrong in my original post I admit...but there should be a choice given the new medium capturing the images and given that people will begin to view images more and more on digital devices in the future (TFT picture frames, HD TV media centers, etc.) We may not be there right now, but it's only a matter of time.

    Ideally, again, speaking as a consumer I would like to see pricing for:
    - The Shoot
    - The Post Processing
    - The Printing

    Just putting aside how you operate now a professional photographer and just putting a consumer hat on...is the above all that unreasonable?

    If I buy a BMW, I am not obliged to only put BMW accessories (radio, car navigation, alloy rims) on it or even have it serviced by BMW. Sure, it probably is the best thing for me, but I have the choice. I don't need to run my macbook on an Apple branded monitor. If I buy art, I am not obliged to place it in the frame it comes in. Why should I be obliged to only purchase prints from the photographer? It certainly feels like you are being held over a barrel.

    Just my thoughts. I didn't mean to be controversial but I am rather interested in consumer rights and choice and this to me, is the same kind of outdated model the record and movie companies are trying to hold on to rather than adjusting to the times and recognising that people will still pay for stuff...but that they will make informed choices about what they pay for and how they will enjoy what they pay for.
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    What happens if a pro photographer, who keeps the originals, goes out of business?

    Do they track down every client and send out a flood of photos, or are the shots lost forever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tintinaujapon View Post
    What happens if a pro photographer, who keeps the originals, goes out of business?

    Do they track down every client and send out a flood of photos, or are the shots lost forever?
    Very interesting question. I have always wondered this.

    Another thing I have wondered about was what if the photographers studio/storage facility is damaged by fire, flood, theft or incompetence etc. Are the clients expected to just have copies made of the existing prints?
    The bridge is crossed, so stand and watch it burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar68 View Post

    Another thing I have wondered about was what if the photographers studio/storage facility is damaged by fire, flood, theft or incompetence etc. Are the clients expected to just have copies made of the existing prints?
    A photographer worth his salt, (me in this example), keeps an offsite copy of his files.
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    Phase is spot on. Any decent photographer will have multiple copies.

    I have my aperture library on a dedicated drive my mac pro, I then have my aperture vault on a differnt drive, I then haver another firewire drive which superduper clones my aperture library too each night, that way in case of drive failure Im backup and running in minutes. And finally I have a slower USB drive I keep in a safe in day time office in the city which I take home each weekend and clone and bring back in so Im protected against fire/theft etc. So I have my clients files in 4 places at all times.

    Now as for your question tintin, I know photographers from the old film days that have out of business. These guys still have their clients negs. They have tried to contant them to offer the sale of the negs but not all clients could be reached so they still store them

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigersharkBAS View Post
    @BLINDER. It's about choice. As a consumer with an interest in photography or image manipulation I may want to do these things myself so I would look for a photographer who would simply take the photos and offer them to me in their raw format. No post processing necessary.
    We're not really talking about consumer rights here - from my POV it's about professionalism within the industry. And this industry is an artistic one. When we hand over files to you - are you going to do right by us and our artistic integrity?
    I'll speak to the idea, first, that people will view a professional photographers images on video devices - yes, they will. But photography will always best be seen as an adjunct to the printed image.

    Nothing has quite the same proven preservation as paper at this stage - not hard drives, flash media, optical discs etc.
    We print because we know of the archival value of paper.

    We also know that people want to hold something in their hands. There remains a warmth in the physical connection.
    I understand your desire to have your hands on the full res media (we offer this "service" but as I said before, we charge a very high premium for it - it's OUR livelihood. That probably addresses your point 2 to some degree.

    But as I said when we hand over the images we've spent at LEAST 40 hours on that - backed up by the equipment, the computers, the electricity, insurance, the competence, the professionalism, etc, etc, etc. If I hand over RAW images - and these are unworked, incomplete, uncertain things - then we're handing over the equivalent of a ball of wool and knitting needles (in my eyes) and not a jumper. I'd never hand over RAW files personally (and I'd hope that would never happen within the industry BUT there are plenty of cowboys in search of a quick buck who aren't very good) because this IS my art. You hire a professional for his/ her artistic value. If you don't appreciate their skill then DIY.

    It would be different if you were hiring a pro for RAW supply as an agreement - if I knew that you could do my imagery a service, not a disservice - I'd be happy enough with an arrangement that also covers the loss of income from reprints.

    One point to consider - Our industry body stipulates that the full res version must be handed to ALL clients after a certain time period (either three or four years now - not quite certain). So at some point in the future you end up with them anyway! Make sure your photographer at least does this - that is true compliance now.

    If you buy a BMW you can't ask for a reduction because you don't like the included radio or seats or wheels. You pay the upfront price and modify later!!

    If you're truly interested in photography let a photographer follow through on their own craft and art.

    Sorry, I know I sound precious, but I'm fed up with the el cheapo wannabes with their $1000 cameras ruining the industry with their inept photography and indecent ethics.

    Quote Originally Posted by tintinaujapon View Post
    What happens if a pro photographer, who keeps the originals, goes out of business?

    Do they track down every client and send out a flood of photos, or are the shots lost forever?
    As I mentioned - there is a certain time period now when you should either have been given the original files (the digital negs), or certainly asked for them.
    Part of the problem would be that it might be impossible for someone to track down clients (they might be totally bankrupt and unable to follow through).

    Sometimes worse things happen - fire, flood etc.
    Two hard drives can die as quickly as one. Two DVD's or CD's can corrupt as easily as one etc.
    We try to be as prepared as possible. But occassionally bad, stupid, terrible, unforeseeable things happen.

    My point would be - get the photo's YOU want as soon as possible from the photographer.If the originals end up being unrecoverable at least you would have the certain knowledge of having bought professionally made prints, books, albums, frames and other keepsakes.

    In times past people only ever had the one copy of one photo of one event anyway.
    Today we're spoilt for choice and are wracked with nerves about the future.

    If you want to be certain of something - print it twice and keep it separate!!! Digital is no solution yet - only paper.
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    I have to agree with many of BLINDER's points. I am a returning professional, meaning I my degree and have worked in the industry in the 90's in various feilds (advertising, wedding, for a pro lab but mainly as a scientific mediacl photographer) then had a break while studying computing, recently realised its photography that I love. BLINDER is very passionate and its shows in his website (fantastic work). But he does speak the truth about professionalism and having a tangible product.

    When i started back in photographer 18 months ago I wanted a value add that set me out above the rest. the idea wnot to sell my professionalism but to build a client base, photography is not always an easy industry to start in. I too like BLINDER have a great printer and 9 times out of 10 my clients see it and i do end up printing most of the work for them be that prints, canvases or books and while I still do offer the orginals most of my clienst come back for me to print them.

    I dont take my photography lightly, I am a member of the AIPP, I am always trying to sell myself and I always do what I can to help my clients, its just at the time of starting I believed (and still do) that the images belong to the client. This as I said before comes from my background. As an advertising photographer I would (ok this going back to flim days) hand over the transpancies it was the way, the advertising agancy owned the images not the photographer you were just a tool. Most commerical shoots I did was also on transparncy film so again unless you ran off cibachromes which most shots did not ask for there was only one copy that went to the client and finally as a mediacl photographer because of patint confidentiality all images I took of the living & the deceased were property of the hospital.

    In the various niches of photography that I have worked it has only ever been the wedding & portrait industry that insist on maintaining the orginals/negatives for the client. I can see the good sides to this which BLINDER has outlined very well, its just at this stage while I am still developing may brand I dont follow that practice. That may chnage for me but right now I value ever client I get, and ever wedding I shot is better then one I missed out because I could have easily given the couple something else within my control

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    Thanks for your reply Blinder. Although I understand some of your well articulated points and agree it is not entirely a consumer choice argument, I think we'll have to agree to disagree (respectfully disagree that is) :-)

    But great discussion and I take your point on the value of paper.

    It just feels to me (rightly or wrongly) like commisioning an artist to paint a portrait of me, paying him, but he insists the portrait be kept at his house and each time I want to see it, I make an appointment and pay him a viewing fee.

    PS. Just visited your site. Impressive photographs!
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