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Hi Guys
I've been using Final Cut Express for quite a while and recently got FCPx after having the trial version for a month. Even though my old iMac didn't meet the system requirements (older video card) it worked fine throughout the trial month and has been working fine for the last 2 weeks since I purchased it...until today!
The screen goes almost totally pixelated and the computer can no longer be used so I have to switch it off and on again to get back to normal.
I have a photo of the screen if that helps but I'm assuming my iMac is just not up to the task, is that right?
If so why did it work for a while, is it just the video card and whats the answer to resolve it...new machine?
Cheers
Sounds to me like your graphics card is being pushed too hard and is overheating, causing the system to freeze. Use something like istat to monitor your temps and see what your reaching when it crashes.
Something about Jimby.
Definitely sounds like overheating. Summer can be a bummer with the older iMacs.
Use a utility to crank your fans up, or simply use the iMac in a cool location.
Thanks guys, I suspected it was the video card but thought maybe it was just too old and passed it, didn't think it could have been a heat issue. I've reloaded FC Express and it seems to be fine but clearly I need to make some changes....What would be easier, convince the wife we need ducted air con or I need a shiny new Mac?![]()
I was looking at the Mac Mini Server with i7 as a cheaper alternative for just over $1000 as a dedicated FCP machine...any thoughts?
currently base model imac on refurb store for 1059. i run express on the same machine for church.
capable of running pro too
Sounds good but I'm not after a quick fix and although we all want to save money I'd rather pay more and get a long term machine that will do what I need for a while...if the Mini can compete with the iMac then its a good option!
Am I making compromises on performance by getting the Mini or will it be as good (or close) as the iMac?
The HD3000 of the Mini Server will let you down.
I'd personally go for a system with a much beefier graphics system than the integrated Intel ones.
Check out some benchmarks here.
Final Cut Pro X on three different Macs
If the Final Cut work is just for a hobby, I'd wait a few months for Ivy Bridge based systems to be released from Apple.
Something about Jimby.
Thanks for the link, will have a good look through that...Ivy Bridge? What's that?
Not a hobby but not using it every day either. My wife is a photographer and does a few weddings that I also video, so its paid work and something I'm slowly increasing, hence the step up to FCP X! So I want a good set up that will work well for sometime...
Ivy Bridge is the next set of Intel Chips, we are currently on Sandy Bridge.
There will be improvements on motherboards as well, such as USB 3.0 inclusion and probably Thunderbolt for PCs.
Choosing Macs can be an unfortunate compromise in all directions. The Mac mini is quite limited, although it currently has decent processors the graphics is still weak. The iMac is a good general computer but has limited expandability and you are in deep #$%@ when ultimately the hardware fails. The Mac Pro has not been upgraded in ages and may even get the chop as it is no longer selling well, mainly due to Apple's massive overpricing and general neglect.
Programs like Final Cut do benefit from more RAM, better processors and better graphics cards. The later is the hard to get option in Macs which is why I shall be building a Hackintosh to add to my stable of 8 Macs. It is not to save money (which it definitely does) but to get two things: a much better graphics card and the ability to easily upgrade and repair. As a bonus I will include at least 4 internal hard drives and run multiple operating systems.
I have gone through 6 faulty iMacs in a row and whilst I like Macs, Apple seems to be rather self obsessed and growing ever more overbearing these days, whilst resting on rather old laurels. I will be exploring alternatives.
After the last repairs my 27" iMac should be good till 2016. I took out protracted 3rd party support as insurance given the iMacs' track record.
Jeez, not sure where that leaves me now!
I did flirt with the idea of a PC as I use one for my real job (audio editing) but as we have Macs throughout the house I stuck with them and got FCP X, and to be honest I prefer it to the other NLE's although I'd have to go a different route if I went PC, probably Adobe or maybe Vegas as it shares the same/similar interface as the audio editor I use, Reaper!
However I'm now in a state of not sure...FC Express is back up and running and frankly going quite well to be honest...bloody computers!
My 2 cents:
If FCExpress does the job then all is well.
FCP X needs the correct Mac specs as it is an all new app that has very little relationship to the now older FCE and FCP applications.
If it's not broken no need to change anything.
I'd be happy to drive around in a two or three year old Rolls Royce.![]()
Mac Pro quad 8 Gig RAM FCS2, MBPro i7 FCPro X and other stuff.
Its a fair point, I was just trying to move forward and upgrade to the latest software. A new machine was on the agenda anyway but I thought the new FCP would work OK for a bit longer. My confusion is now whether to wait and see what options are available in the coming months and get by on Express or just go and get a new machine (second hand Mac Pro or latest iMac) and a PC is still a consideration...
Cheers
TW,
What I've done is kept my old FCExpress and FCPro on my Mac Pro and purchased a MBPRo and loaded FCP X on to the MBPro.
This allows me to use both.
Because FCP X is NEW (lots of cool things) in every sense there is a learning curve to become proficient with the app just like the older Final Cut apps.
I use both apps at the minute until I'm happy enough to go to X full time. IMO: Right now X is too NEW and doesn't do everything I'd like for me to totally trash FCPro.
So out with the old and in with the new is progressive in my world.
Mac Pro quad 8 Gig RAM FCS2, MBPro i7 FCPro X and other stuff.
Well I'm upgrading my machine as its time...what the hell to get is another story altogether!
1. iMac i7 (21.5" or 27") with all the bells and whistles
2. 17" Macbook Pro i7 (I have additional monitor, not Apple)
3. Mac Pro - don't know much about them other than more upgradable (that's not suggesting I know much about any of them)
4. Follow Biallystock's suggestion as above, and go for a PC?
I've posted another thread asking for opinions about Desktop versus Laptop but would appreciate the experienced and knowledgeable opinions of those who helped me out in this post to let me know what they think about the choices outlined here.
Just as a footnote, a very good friend of mine has been a professional VT editor for over 15 years and swears by the 17" MBP. A well know online FCPX Guru and Tweeter intimated that a MBP is a compromise in performance (screen size versus mobility is obvious)
Cheers for any help
Never underestimate the power of ignorance...
Has anyone got any thoughts for me?
Never underestimate the power of ignorance...
Mac Pro is more expandable that's for sure.
Video editing requires lots of space particularly High Def. Mac Pro can for example have 8TB in the machine without externals..
My MBPro runs the new FCP X with no problems and an 800 firewire drive does a pretty good good job.
With the introduction of the newer Thunderbolt connection (do some homework) the MBPro is potentially very expandable.
At the end of the choosing day, it's your call.
Mac Pro quad 8 Gig RAM FCS2, MBPro i7 FCPro X and other stuff.
Thanks Alchroma
Yes indeed it is my decision and thanks to everyones help I've made one! I'm getting the 27" iMac as I dont think I'll get full use of the Laptops mobility, or a MacPro's upgradability!
My next decision is HDD or SSD! There are so many differing opinions out there that its confusing...I guess the SSD will make the whole machine that much faster and more responsive, but I'm pretty clueless if the extra cost is worth it.
Never underestimate the power of ignorance...
With FCP X throw as much RAM and as many cores as you can at it. Keep the event library on a seperate HD to the program and OS files. If you have the money the BTO 27" iMac with a SSD and a spinning HD is a good option. AFAIK its diificult to do this upgrade your self.
Having said that I'm using a 17" MBP with 16GB ram, a SSD for boot drive and FW800 HDs for event libraries. If thunderbolt drives ever get cheap enough will use instead.
Last edited by recd; 14th February 2012 at 11:03 PM.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
I got a quote from my local Apple retailer...
27" iMac 3.4ghz i7
12G Ram
AMD Radeon HD 6970M
Apple care
$2900
+ $720 for 1TB + 256G SSD (as per the Apple website)
So I now have to decide if its worth waiting for the 2012 release or just go for it!
Regarding keeping the event library on a separate HD, I am also trying to set up additional storage for our business and/or maybe some kind of network. So if I had networked storage would I keep the event library on that with the OS and program on the Mac's HD?
A NAS has been suggested by some and dismissed by others...and something like this Drobo Home although it doesn't seem to have any kind of network feature.
Never underestimate the power of ignorance...