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    Hey i&#39;ve been looking for a cheap mono laser printer and found the Samsung 1710 &#036;199 RRP, its also the smallest mono laser printer around and its USB&#33; Toners are &#036;100 <-- any other suggestions for mono laser?



    Anyways... its says it can do 3000 prints per tonner at 5% coverage... how much is a typical full page docuemnt in coverage? 50%?? does anyone know of a more accurate figure backed up by a link? Cos i would say just by looking at a page all the white areas would be close to 50% but would like a more accurate figure so i can work out if using a normal dye printer is cheaper or not..

    Cos i can buy ink refils for the dye printer... but toners you cant.. anyways..

    cheers in advance&#33;

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    that sounds okay.

    I have had nothing but great experiences with the latest offerings from Samsung laser printers.

    There is another model (escapes my mind atm) 1580 or something, costs around &#036;299-&#036;350 and although alittle larger. offers better quality, better longevity and all that other stuff.

    One thing I have found is that the more you spend now, the less you spend later with lasers.

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    A double-spaced page of text is at least 10% by the figures they use. 5% is something like a half-page letter.

    A good tip is, the toner will give you about half the page count of what they quote on average.

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    Keep in mind that most inkjet&#39;s also quote 5% coverage. So you should be able to work out the value of inkjet vs laser based on the quoted coverage of each.

    From when I was working out the differences they laser worked out ever slightly more expensive than the inkjet refills per page.

    But then you don&#39;t have to worry about refilling the ink (messy ). And then you get the other benefits of faster printing, no smudges after printing and the clearer, more defined output.

    The Samsung does seem like a decent unit. Heck even Xerox used to sell the same rebadged unit at the bottom of their lineup. While I am sure it doesn&#39;t compare to their 50k units I would be willing to say it would be better than many other laser&#39;s on the market.

    I miss working at Xerox

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    Does anyone actually own a laser printer around here??? How many pages do you get? It costs me &#036;10 for ink each time i refil so if i can get at least 10X the amount of output from a laser compared to a inkjet then im sold...

    My debate stems from the consideration of a All-in-one unit instead of a mono laser.. like would like to have an all-in-one unit for scaning and copying etc... but if its going to cost me a fortune in refils.. then i thought i might go the laser way...

    basically if the quoted 3000 pages is accurate i would go the laser way 100%, inkjet printers would probablyget 200 pages... so if someone can confirm the 3000pagesclaim, with reference to their own experience that would be great....

    Cheers

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    I have a Canon LBP3200 (&#036;400 / &#036;500 - I forget). What you have to be careful with is not just the toner but the cartridge. Some cheap lasers come with a cartridge/toner system. The way they work are you replace the toner at &#036;100 a time but every three toners you have to replace the cartridge at some expensive price. I found this out with an oki laser i had. The toner was &#036;50 but every 3 toners I had to replace the cartridge which cost &#036;280 (nearly what the printer cost ) Of course if like my canon the cartridge comes with the toner &#036;120 then you don&#39;t have to worry. I ended up chucking the oki laser out because of the cartridge thing.

    The canon gives me 3000 pages a toner. They say that it should give you about 2000 pages so at 3000 I am very happy. But no mac support for the canon LBP3200. (about a months printing).

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    The purpose of splitting the toner and drum is to save you money.

    I used to compare the Brother printers with HP and Canon, and the results were like this:

    HP or Canon: &#036;140 for 2000 to 2500 pages (toner & drum are all-in-one)
    &#036;1008 to &#036;1260 for 18000 pages (that figure will make sense in a minute)

    Brother: &#036;89 for 6000 pages (toner) + &#036;249 for a drum every 3 toners.
    &#036;526 for 18000 pages.

    Bit of a saving, eh? The only downside is, Brother don&#39;t have the best reputation for reliability.

    I saw figures for the Canon laser printers (low end range) that showed they have the same economy as their inkjet printers (that use the individual colours). That&#39;s probably because their black cartridges were about 1/3rd of the price of the competition.

    Basically though, low-end range laser printers aren&#39;t that economical. A few years ago, I bought an old Lexmark Optra Rx, which has a 7-15000 page toner/drum unit and duplexing. That was far better value overall, but the space it takes up is huge. You can do pretty much the same now, if you have a spare &#036;300-odd and buy an Optra S or T from eBay. But do note, the cartridges are a once-in-a-blue-moon &#036;2-700, but that&#39;s not bad at all for 15,000 pages.

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    Kyocera printers have a 100,000 page drum. So they claim all you ever need to replace is the toner.

    www.kyocera.com.au

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    All-in-one machines are based on an existing printer. If you know what cartridges it uses, you will be able to determine the costs for printing.

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    Hey i&#39;ve been looking for a cheap mono laser printer and found the Samsung 1710 &#036;199 RRP
    Where do you guys go for the best prices in computer hardware. I usually shop at Computer World in Richmond, but looks like you have a cheaper place.
    Looking for a laser printer and a set of computer speakers.

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    Originally posted by Husq@Aug 6 2004, 10:41 PM
    Where do you guys go for the best prices in computer hardware.* I usually shop at Computer World in Richmond,* but looks like you have a cheaper place.
    Looking for a laser printer and a set of computer speakers.
    http://www.razorprices.com/ is a good Aussie price search engine.

    I typically get most stuff from Umart. They&#39;re generally within &#036;5 of the cheapest places, and they&#39;re on my way home from work. Score


    Slightly more on topic...I may actually be looking for a networked laser soon. My LaserWriter 12/640PS has been jamming too often lately. I might look at getting the roller&#39;s fixed (I think that&#39;s where the problem lies), but then something else will probably break (and the toner&#39;s starting to run out too).

    I can&#39;t really complain though. I got it for free about 18 months ago (with toner), and I&#39;ve probably printed over 1,500 pages of lecture notes and assignments. Not bad for &#036;0.
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    The good thing about network laser printers is, you can buy almost any one and it&#39;ll work in Mac OS X, though Lexmark tend to be the best with drivers (in this case, Postscript description files).

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    Last I heard about Lexmarks was that the cost of the replacement ink or toner was almost the same as a new printer, in some cases, cheaper to buy a new printer.

    Is this still the case? Because some of them look nice, and I am considering getting a laser as well for myself and the business.

    Are all those all-in-one things (printer, fax, scanner, copier) things ink or laser or both?

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    Well, with Lexmarks, they tend to have massive toner cartridges, but with any printer, the ink will cost more than the machine eventually anywhere.

    MFC&#39;s can be had as both inkjet and laser.

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